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@disgusted
What does my sex have to do with the topic of abortion? If the sex/gender of someone mattered, then there would be a strong correlation between sex and abortion position. However, males are only slightly more likely to be pro life then females, so not much of a correlation.
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@disgusted
I'm willing to discuss abortion. If you cared about not being pregnant, you shouldn't have had sex. #Sex Strike.
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@disgusted
Challenge sent.
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@Snoopy
I thought carry on meant disgusted wanted the debate.
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@disgusted
You don't understand the argument involved in the abortion debate.
Then should I challenge you? I think if we debate, then I would win.
You think that has something to do with mickey mouse.
Evidence that you are a troll. Your lucky I support free speech otherwise I would advocate for you being banned like type1 has been.
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@disgusted
My IQ is above 85 and your a troll.
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@disgusted
Want to debate abortion in a formal debate?
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@disgusted
The pro life policy is about saving lives. If it were sexist, then why are about half of pro lifers female?
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@Greyparrot
I'm worried I would lose since Eugenics isn't popular. I don't accept debates unless there is a good enough chance I would win. However, if you want to discuss it on the forum, I'm willing to engage with that.
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I don't drink alcohol. Alcohol does bad things to the human body and people do crazy stuff when under the influence. 50% of rapes happen under influence. I think we need to raise the drinking age to 25 because that is when the brain is fully developed.
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@Mopac
@TheRealNihilist
I said one at a time, but the load is small enough to where I can address both.
@Mopac
I thought you were against abortion?If you are for eugenics, I would think you would be for abortion.
Eugenics is not the same as abortion. Abortion is removing a pregnancy and killing a fetus as a result. Eugenics merely prevents incompetent people from reproducing. Since poor people are more likely to have abortions then rich people, Eugenics (castrating all the unfit males) reduces abortions since unfit people breed more then the fit for some reason.
@omar 2345
How poor? Do you have a number or something?
I would say anyone unwilling to pay a Reproduction maintenance tax, whether they can afford it or got, gets a painless castration or becomes infertile permanently some other way.
Who is going to clean the toilets take out the trash?
Trash takers aren't super poor. Their hourly salary is $15.29 on average. People usually clan their own toilets. The poor people will be mainly those who are long term unemployed and minimum wage working adults.
Simply removing the poor doesn't mean those jobs won't need doing instead it would be passed on the next people who would fit in the category of poor.
They might get filled with automation. The government could give low interest loans to companies encouraging them to automate their workforce in minimum wage jobs. This way, the poor people would have to find a different job. The job that they would get would depend on their abilities and interests.
Would you remove them as well for being poor?
Eventually, but not right away. If humanity gets too much better too fast, it would result in a low population count. We need to gradually get better as a specie by infertilizing all the undesirables.
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@TheRealNihilist
Do you want to adjust what you consider to be innocent life or do you want me to give a real life example so that you are forced to change it?
Innocent is a legal term. Criminals deserve to be punished according to their crime. Do something small, like speed, and you could pay merely a fine. Commit murder or high treason, and you could face the death penalty. You may provide a real life example.
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@TheRealNihilist
Would that person be innocent under that law?
Sadly, no.
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@zedvictor4
What is innocence and what are crimes, other than concepts loosely associated with some sort of collective decision making process.
Being innocent is not having any crimes against you. A crime is breaking the law.
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@TheRealNihilist
If I make a law that anyone white should be murdered. Would that be enough basis to issue the death penalty on them because it is law to murder white people so would the white person in this hypothetical be an innocent life?
It would be an extremely unjustified and racist law and wouldn't last. Despite that, whites wouldn't be innocent under the law. There should and will be a rebellion by the whites and their supporters for equal rights to non-whites.
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@Marc1123
I don't know too much about Malaysia. What do you think of the United States?
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@TheRealNihilist
What is innocent human life?
Anyone that has not committed a crime.
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@Snoopy
When did 'Pro-Life' come to mean 'Republican'?
Since a majority of the pro lifers are GOP, it's a GOP position. They are accused of being inconsistent. I'm trying to justify the inconsistencies.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Nothing is okay for murdering others, not even guns. But most gun owners, the vast majority don't use their guns to murder others. They use it for protection and hunting.
This video explains it better than I can:
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@Snoopy
It's not satire.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
ASTAP no longer encourages poor people to live in a tent. There is no income tax but everyone gets $1000 a month without taxing the rich just for being rich.
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@Mopac
Also, screw the USSR.
Comment liked. I hope Russia isn't communist anymore.
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They support the death penalty
The death penalty reduces the homicide rate.
They are against gun control
Guns defend against a tyrannical government, which kills more people historically then any crazy shooter. They are the real threat to life.
They are against birth control, which reduces abortions
80% of the GOP supports artificial birth control.
They are against welfare
The GOP supports welfare, generally, but not as a way of life. They support things like ending single motherhood, which promote poverty by encouraging people to stay faithful to their vows. They are also against premarital sex, that can lead to smash and dash attitudes and actions conducted by many males. The GOP is against this.
They support the military and the military is stereotyped to kill
The US military saves more then it kills. When we pulled out of Iraq, ISIS formed and they killed a lot. When US troops stayed, we created relative peace, like with Japan, South Korea, and Germany.
They support deportation
They support following the law. They offered DACA for the wall to the Democrats and they refused. They reunited families at the border that they were required to break up under previous law, Obama split up families too and the media barely said anything about it. Trump fixed this law.
Did I miss anything? Responders should respond 1 at a time because I don't want to respond to a dozen messages at once. That's hard on my part.
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If everyone who wanted to comment on this forum did so one at a time, then I could respond to all your claims easier.
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@Stronn
One is this: who gets to decide? If you have standards that are applied to everyone, who makes the standards?
I personally would make the standards off of who can afford to pay the reproduction maintenance tax as well as castrating everyone with an IQ below 85 (all castrations for this would be painless and the person would be unconscious when it happens).
Another problem is, where does it stop? Do we keep breeding better and better people, until we end up with something that is no long even recognizably human?
What's wrong with that? If we create super humans after generations of Eugenics, it would be beneficial for the human race.
I also have to ask, would your support for it be the same if you were one of those deemed unfit to reproduce?
I would have to be one of those people for the question to be applied. I probably would still back the idea. I don't want to reproduce anyway, so eve if I'm unfit, it wouldn't matter much.
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@dustryder
Agreed. The American left realizes that banning guns won't reduce gun crime relative to the status quo. So they have decided to move on to banning only AK 47s and AK 15s. This has it's pros and cons.Citation needed
AOC, the leftist politician I know, only advocated for gun control, not a gun ban(https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ocasio-cortez-gun-rights-quote/).
No. Compromising between gun control and abortion laws is foolish. There are far better compromises to be made in both issues when examining them alone. For example, guns ownership may be unrestricted, provided there is a strict registration with mandatory expanded background checks which are applied to private sales. Or abortion is heavily restricted in the third trimester except in the cases of when the mother's life is in danger, but is unrestricted in the first trimester.
I wouldn't agree to that. Lets see. You want unrestricted abortion at 12 weeks. I want unrestricted abortions at 0 weeks. Will 6 weeks be middle ground? The fetus has a heartbeat and brainwaves by then. Most women know they are pregnant before 6 weeks, so they still can get an abortion before the 6 week deadline. That seems fair. In exchange, expanded background checks apply so anyone who wants to commit murder or has had a history with felonies can't get a gun. Do we have a vigilantic deal?
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This is not a troll fourm.
If we get rid of all the poor, stupid people(no genocide, but we merely don't allow them to reproduce) then it decreases our population and that population would get replaced by affluent, intelligent people. This would be better for society.
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@Ramshutu
@Discipulus_Didicit
Is ASTAP better now? BTW, your stereotypes of me are poor conduct. Neither one of my parents own a business. They're both teachers.
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I would let buildings decide for themselves if they want to have gender neutral bathrooms or not. State's rights applied to buildings.
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@dustryder
The point of banning guns isn't to ban guns. It's to reduce and minimize the associated gun violence.
Agreed. The American left realizes that banning guns won't reduce gun crime relative to the status quo. So they have decided to move on to banning only AK 47s and AK 15s. This has it's pros and cons.
If you were to go by your compromise, what has actually been achieved in this regard?
The Left gets the gun laws they want. The Right gets the abortion laws they want.
With gun control, I don't believe there is much moral reasoning in being against gun control.
AK 47s according to their advocates should be legal to defend against a potentially tyrannical government. It's a defense against potential tyranny. The left believes that a tyrannical government won't happen in the US in the near future, the right believes it is a possibility.
Not all democrats wish to ban all guns.
Most want to ban the AK and the AR guns.
A good compromise is one that pleases the most people.
Any offers? I can make a counter offer. Only legal guns are pistols, shotguns, and rifles in exchange for abortion being banned with exception of the literal life of the mother would terminate unless they get an abortion (basically to ave a mother's literal life from death).
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@CroixRennie
The left wants to ban AK 47s and I would be fine with supplying it to them in exchange for banning abortions. Currently, AK47s are legal in most states. Abortion is already banned in the third trimester.
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@dustryder
I think it would be a good compromise that both sides should agree too. I don't agree with banning "assault weapons" but I'm willing to if it means abortions are banned. Heavily restricting abortion worked out well for your country.
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@DebateArt.com
Ties at .5 wins sounds better then the established method. Either that or a strict win: loss ratio with ties not counting for either side.
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@dustryder
By rifles, I refer to hunting rifles. So only basic, one shot at a time guns would be allowed in exchange for a ban on abortions nationwide under all circumstances.
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@disgusted
The offer is banning abortions in all situations in exchange for only allowing pistols, rifles, and shotguns to be legally owned. Since you said,
since men have no say in what a woman does with her body.
I don't think you got the point of this post.
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@TheRealNihilist
I thought you were against all guns. I might be wrong on this.
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@TheRealNihilist
Well, I shouldn't advocate for banning guns because if I do that, then criminals will get guns illegally and commit homicide against people that they know can't defend themselves, so murder skyrockets.
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@CroixRennie
New offer; Only guns allowed are pistols, rifles, and shotguns in exchange for banning abortions nationwide. Would you accept?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I picture Alecs backstory as involving two great role model parents that sat him down one day to explain that the reason he had to choose between having a pony or a helicopter ride for his birthday and could not have both was because they could not afford both due to his birthday being so close to tax season.
Did not happen. Too tired to respond to all points.
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@Harikrish
As long as they clean up really really really well, I wouldn't care. I don't think that India needs 1/5 of their population cleaning the streets. India should install toilets or at least latrines so the Dalits can get a better job. It worked well for the west.For eg. Would you like someone who cleans sewers for a living also cook/touch your food or be your dentist where he puts his hands in your mouth?
You shouldn't discriminate against Dalits. India also use to burn widows, until the West brought an end to it.
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@TheRealNihilist
According to the left, non-consenting colonialism is racist.
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