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@dave2242
Thanks. I got lucky RM lost 2x otherwise I might not be #1.
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@Ramshutu
M. I don't know your topic so I don't know if I will be pro or con. School is starting on Monday so I don't know if I can debate. Maybe in the summer?
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@thett3
I don't know any good debating ideas where I have a good shot at winning that I haven't done already.
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@TheRealNihilist
On this site, I am currently #1. I am good. Maybe great. The reason why I am not being vainglorious about it is because I am trying to stay modest about it. RM had a good record from DDO. Same with Bsh1. Blamonkey beat me one time. He has yet to lose and he has won 8x. I implied that although I am good, maybe even great, there are people better that me that don't try as hard. Your focusing solely on DART ratings. I combine DART ratings with DDO elo. I also take records into account.
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@TheRealNihilist
He was very good on DDO(https://www.debate.org/Our_Boat_is_Right/).
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@thett3
Don't see how the invading Africa thing is on topic but you might win in a debate against me.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
How do you propose on preventing separatist movements in this country? It seems that your willing to let the USA break apart just to let the Latinos keep their culture. Assimilation is not racist.
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@TheRealNihilist
Your cited article states:
Numerous separatists were critical of the concept and responded that the parody unfairly trivializes Catalonia's independence movement, which is based in part on Catalonia's distinct culture and identity
Language is a higher reason or is there something else that is a bigger reason?
If it's not language/culture, then what else is it? It's up to you to provide an alternative source of independence desire and then I'll see if it works or not. You cited that Catalans wanted to vote, however, Spain is a democracy, otherwise they would not be allowed to be in the EU. Catalans can in other words, already vote.
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I don't think any debater should be treated like a god/hailed even if they are #1 on the site although I do appreciate the compliment.
I hope I stay #1 although blamonkey having a debate might cause me to go down to #2.
I enjoy being #1. Despite my ranking, there are many on this site that I think are better then me like RM, blamonkey, Our Boat Is Right and Bsh1. There might be more but I just didn't list them.
RM is a risk taker.
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@Greyparrot
The solution to poverty is mandatory vasectomies of all male children at birth. When they acquire the skills to be productive enough to afford a reversal procedure, then they have earned the opportunity to procreate.
Are vasectomy procedures reversible? Unless you did this procedure on you, isn't it hypocritical?
Also, what if everyone or virtually everyone who is successful enough to reproduce has a vasectomy from birth but doesn't have the will to get the reversal? Then the human race dies unless immortality is created.
I stand by my solution to make divorce illegal and punishable by jail time.
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@Harikrish
You might have refereed to dead souls as "gas". If it is gas, gasoline is different from souls.
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@Harikrish
By digging holes and freeing the gas we are freeing those from hell only to burn as intended when we light the gas in our stoves etc.
Can you rephrase because to me this doesn't make sense?
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@DebateArt.com
Quote from supadudz:
And change native language to nationality
I think you should have both.
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@Snoopy
The CSA was a separatist movement on the basis of ideology.
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@Greyparrot
The US won that war since the Union represented the US. The confederacy represented the CSA.
Inferior cultures must be allowed to go the way of the dodo bird.
I agree with this.
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@Harikrish
I'm proposing that we dig holes for a different purpose. To free those in hell. It's not about gas extraction.
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@TheRealNihilist
Claim to their own governance because they didn't like the one's who were in charge. It is more complicated than language.
When you don't like the guy who is in charge, you vote someone who you like to be in charge. Why didn't they like him?
The separatist movement is at least partly due to culture.
Tabarnia's barbed messages have been denounced as trivializing the true independence movement, which pro-secessionists say is based on Catalonia's distinct culture and identity
The region that is more hispaniphone, Tabarnia has less separatist support. I wonder why.
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@TheRealNihilist
What countries are "broken up"?
Here are just some separatist movements on the basis of language differences.:
1:Austria Hungary
2:Ukraine vs Russia Influenced East Ukraine/Crimea
3:Spain vs Catalonia and Basque
4:Mexico vs Texas and Mexican Cession
5:Belgium vs Flanders
6:Various Middle east nations vs Kurds
7:United Kingdom vs Wales
8:Canada vs Quebec
9:Egypt vs Hala'ib
10:Belize vs Southern Belize
11:United States vs Puerto Rico
12:Roman empire vs their multiculturalism
Can you define "broken up as" well?
Broken up in this context means that your country loses some land to a new country or to a existing foreign country.
I thought you require to be in the country for I think 3-5 years in order to be a legal citizen. Why are you making this distinction?
If your already assimilated, what's the point of you being in the country for 3-5 years. I don't like this immigration requirement because in order to be here, you have to show that your already here. I think it's pointless.
What if by taking out a loan they have started a trend of not being able to pay off their bills or the loan is the start of their debts?
You can make that argument about any loan someone takes out. They'll pay it off with interest eventually at a previously agreed upon minimum rate or they will suffer the consequences of not paying back a loan. It's for them and their creditor to figure out. It's good for the economy.
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@TheRealNihilist
Thanks for not calling me racist. It's good to have an open mind.
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@TheRealNihilist
What else could the true cause be? If it was because the Catalonian GDP per capita was higher, then you would see Madrid(which has a higher GDP per capita then both Catalonia and Spain) also wanting to break away. However, Madrid does not want independence. It is more then the state of their economy that is the cause of the separatist movement. Catalonia has been stating that they have their own unique culture and that is worthy of separatism however if they didn't have a unique culture, then they wouldn't want to break away.
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@dustryder
It wasn't one culturally distinct nation that conquered and absorbed many other smaller nations, it was a union of two culturally distinct and existent nations.
It was a union of 2 distinct cultures conquering other cultures without assimilation. If they assimilated the cultures that they conquered, Austria Hungary might have broken up, but they would have broken into only 2 nations instead of the several or so that it did break into.
But as in most conflicts, typically it's a struggle for resources between conflicting ideologies and cultures.
Exactly. It's a struggle between 2 different cultures. One culture wants to hang on to what they have (the parent country). The other culture wants an independent state for themselves or wants to join another state (the separatist movement).
Puerto Rico's recent poverty rate was measured to be about 45%In comparison, the US state with the worst poverty rate is Mississippi, at around 22%
What does poverty mean and can you cite this just to make sure?
So unequal representation compared to a state despite being comparable to a state
I am fine with PR becoming a state if Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island merge into one state. But that's basically the status quo.
What say did Puerto Rico's inhabitants get in being passed around like a football?
They were a territory of Spain. Besides, PR has a GDP per capita higher then Spain due to the American influence, so it benefited the locals.
Well I can't imagine that countries secede or unionise based solely on one issue such as slavery
Texas wanted independence from ideological and linguistic differences. California wanted it on linguistic differences.
The obvious answer is that land is just more resources. It's not just about gold. You get space to expand and grow, rivers and streams for new sources of fresh water and accompanying fish stocks, forests for timber, hills and mountains to mine for coal/minerals.
If the US was solely interested in more natural resources, we would have taken all the land that wasn't populated by Mexicans by sending Americans over there in much greater numbers if Mexico would accept them unassiliminated (Mexico learned their lesson). The US wanted the anglophone land in North America (with the exception of Canada since we didn't want a war with the UK and Belize since it was at the time, British too). Mexico claimed much of the hispaniphone land in North America at this time. That's how it was.
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@Greyparrot
Didn't we have a war over multiculturalism in the 1860's?
Basically. The US just happened to win that war. With the UN existing, I doubt there would be a war. It instead would be a bunch of Hispaniphone Hispanics stating that they want to be independent of the US and as a result of that, the UN would use their self determination theory to force the US to break apart. If the UN didn't exist, we might have a war, possibly a nuclear one in order to maintain American sovereignty. I don't want to lose land or to have to fight a war to keep the country together. This is partly why assimilation is so crucial for the country.
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@TheRealNihilist
He has not assimilated. Assimilation is necessary to prevent separatist movements as history has confirmed. Spain didn't assimilate Catalonia and now, Catalonia wants to break away to form their own country. If Catalonia were more culturally similar to Spain, they would be less likely to break away from Spain, therefore keeping the country more united.
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@TheRealNihilist
Basically, speaking English within the public sphere (exceptions apply but in general the only language they would be speaking is English, even if they know others)
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
If I am a racist, then your a traitor to this country. We both can insult. It is not productive.
Address my concern that if Hispanics don't assiliminate, they will break away from the US as history has confirmed or concede.
You both are acting like mustardness, who labels his opponents.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
For the same reason you want to preserve English.
Apart from the fact that English has more use in the USA (for national and international communication) I want to preserve the national sovereignty of the USA. To do this, we need one unifying language. This means that I don't want Mexico taking the land of the US that is hispaniphone majority like how Russia took the Ukrainian land that was Russian majority.
That's a violation of the 1st amendment. Do you not agree with the 1st amendment?
I think the 1st amendment should protect freedom of political expression within the USA. There are off topic reasons to support this claim such as applying a consistent code to where there would be no necessary exceptions such as yelling bob on an airplane or yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. The punishment for speaking Spanish outside of what I would call the legal parameters wouldn't be big either, just a slight deterrent (I'm suggesting just a pinch or something).
Interesting how you don't seem to care if there is a separatist movement within the US over the culture differences that might be in our future since you have dropped that point.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Is a culture more important than people?
How is Hispanics preserving their language even important? They can learn it if they want to, but what's the point in speaking it if they know English? How are people even being threatened in your example?
You're talking about making a bunch of people suffer just so you can have America the way you want.
How are they suffering? Most Hispanics in this country are bilingual. Telling them to speak English in this nation isn't significant suffering. If they want to stay bilingual, they can speak their language at home, where the rate of separatist movement development is minimized. They can communicate to tourists. They can learn the language publicly if they want. But just speaking it with your friends because you value your culture, their culture isn't Mexican or Guatemalan. It's American since they are US citizens living in America.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I don't know how secularmerlin is in this conversation.
Anyways:
what's wrong with having Hispanics in our country?
I didn't say that. I said having unassiliminated ones can cause the country to break up as history has confirmed.
My argument is not racist. Mexico, another nation of immigrants probably doesn't let you be a citizen of that country unless you know Spanish although I don't know if it is true. Even if it isn't, very few Americans are actually moving to Mexico.
We're all the children of immigrants.
Yes. However our ancestors never had the numbers to break away to form their own countries. The 1st generation tended to assimilate to some extent before and after arriving in the US. Intercultural marriage (For example, a Polish person marrying an Italian) was very common within the US and when it was, the children tended to feel more American then any other culture. As a result, they didn't break away. I personally think I have 4 ethnicities in me and I don't feel Italian or Maltese. I'm American. I can't effectively break away. The same applies with most other ethnicities. The Chinese won't break away to form their own country within the US. The Chinese at least for right now can keep their culture. Same with other ethnicities. This applies to even Brazilians, who are pretty similar to Hispanics. They don't have the ability to form their own countries. However, the Hispanics are a unified force of around 75 million, and their culture is pretty prominent in the South west.
If they don't assimilate, we might lose the south west to Mexico. The president of Mexico has said that there are 100 million Mexicans in Mexico and 23 million in the US. He said they were united. I don't want to give the South west to Mexico.
If you wish to comment further, there is a whole forum for this in the link below:
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Well you do realize that assimilation just happens right?
To an extent it does. If the US has open borders (which I think is inevitable due to some far left democrat taking Trump's place) then people would have less incentive to assimilate in the US especially if unassiliminated Hispanics make up an overwhelming majority of people in urban areas. I imagine areas that dominate with unassiliminated immigrants would want to break away to join Mexico or Cuba or become their own independent country if they are too numerous and not willing to assimilate within American society. In the 1850s or so, Mexico encouraged US settlers to come to Mexico and they failed to assiliminate the immigrants. Next thing you know, Texas and California want to break away to join the US. When you don't assiliminate immigrants, you lose territory.
I can appreciate Spanish without appealing to culture and having a culture is not wrong.
It's not wrong, just dangerous in the case of Spanish when the US could break up on culture differences. The Brazilian immigrants for example, don't have the numbers to break away anywhere in the country. The Chinese immigrants, same story. If you have a job, I'm fine with you staying whether or not you know English if your culture doesn't have the ability to break away or isn't predicted too. Just not that way for Hispanics.
It's only wrong if you make a group identity out of it and impose it in a bigoted way.
If unassiliminated immigrants make up a majority of the population in any state or territory, there will be people that make a group identity out of it and would want to break away. Many in Puerto Rico(PR) for example, want to break away to form their own freely associated state because of their "distinct culture". In other words, they are Hispaniphones. If they assimilated, then they would not only not want to break away, but they might become a state by now and their .
I propose on assimilating PR by sending 2 million consenting Puerto Ricans to the US and by sending 2 million consenting Anglophone americans to PR so the ones in the US assimilate quickly and the Americans in PR, since they would outnumber the remaining Puerto ricans, at worst, this creates a bilingual island. At best, the Puerto Ricans assimilate to the other Americans, making the country united and making PR a state almost immediately after this happens due to them being more American.
P.S. Are you Hispanic?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I think assimilating the Hispanics completely is necessary to help prevent separatist movements in the future.
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@Snoopy
That's more than the carrying capacity of Earth.
Our carrying capacity would skyrocket because people from hell don't need food to function. So we would still have enough food to feed the living. With all that people like Albert Einstein and Newton coming from hell, it would be easier to colonize the moon.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
This is without Translate:
Are you saying, "I am happy you can speak Spanish here". I prefer not to do it because of this link:
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@dave2242
it would sort of suck as you would have to go through the long line in hell to get to the surface.
It's better then burning in hell forever. The more holes that are dug, the shorter the lines would be on average. If 100 holes are dug and people exit hell at 100 people per second, assuming there are 100 billion dead people right now, in about 30 years, everyone in hell would be saved. Anyone else who dies and goes to hell should be able to follow others to get to the surface until all the lines are gone. Then we will have to build more holes and maybe implement signs and to build roads showing people who die where the holes are for their saving.
a lot of people do not like the idea of immortality
From what I've read, 1/3 people want to be immortal. I think one big reason why most don't is because they think they will go to heaven. Once people find out that the alternative for most of them is burning in hell, I imagine most people would support immortality.
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@Ramshutu
Good idea. Maybe extend it to 2 days to post arguments too.
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@dave2242
well more people would be religious as we built a hole to hell so they could go to heaven instead and we dont want that
If they could escape hell and if they knew what it was by video cameras or something, then they would cease to be religious and instead would want to focus more on becoming immortal to avoid hell altogether. From there, our population and GDP would skyrocket. Why wouldn't you want more people going to heaven?
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@Melcharaz
What if the lake of fire is located below earth? It's possible and I can find many links confirming that people are screaming below the surface of Earth so it might to be accurate since multiple sources say so. What are we losing just by checking it out? The hole would be cheap to make. If we're wrong, the US gov wastes $20 billion or so. If we're right, the US gets trillions in revenue by bringing back people who would contribute to our economy. I say it's worth the try.
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@Melcharaz
I don't think you stated the difference in this chain. If you did, can you copy and paste your response?
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@Melcharaz
The bible never says that hell is the eternal punishment.
Mathew 18:8 states, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire".
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@dave2242
well we could take out most people with known murders being watched for a set amount of time depending on how long they where in there.
for future crimes i agree it could be used as a deterrent stab someone get sent to hell for a month
If we decide to send them to hell for a month for murder, they probably did this punishment many times over since they were probably in hell for years. If they just arrived and they were a murderer, then they would stay a little longer. The odds of this happening are very rare though.
well we dont kill them to send them to hell we throw them down the hole
It's easier to kill them. If you throw them down the hole, then they would knock relatively innocent people using the ladder down and it would be harder for them to go to earth.
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@Snoopy
How do you figure you can get to this screaming thing through a hole from America?
At the bottom of the hole there would be hell. The US would have to build some elevators and ladders to save the people from further torment but beyond that, I think it would be feasible to do.
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@dave2242
I'm glad that you want to get at least some of the people out of there. Once the hole was established, how would we figure out who murdered and who didn't murder? Is it safe to assume that after hundreds of years burning in hell that the murderers learned their lesson? It could serve as a deterrent for future murder because if someone gets murdered and goes to hell, then the murderer could get the death penalty so they have to save themselves from hell too.
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@Snoopy
Since hell was involved, I thought it would be good for the religion forum. Do you think we should dig holes to hell to free those burning?
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@disgusted
I don't think that that would be a significant problem if I am interpreting your concern correctly.
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Racial inequality can be reduced by putting black fathers back in homes where they belong. This way, single motherhood plummets.
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@Titanium
Assume everything you say on this site unless it's in the funny section or something will be taken seriously.
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