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@Vader
Disgusted is an SJW. What should my goals be as president?
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@Swagnarok
Should my gimmick be, "Stay #1"? as a reference to keeping the US GDP ahead of China's?
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@Swagnarok
Thanks for the support. Since the Republican and Democrat candidates alternate pretty much with exceptions, I need to run after a democrat candidate in order to have a higher chance of winning. Trump won because he ran after Obama. Whoever is next in office probably will be a democrat. From there, do you know how I can win the primaries?
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@disgusted
I think I have more intellect then you do.
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@dustryder
Sorry about adding you onto the list. I meant for that list to be solely for disgusted. I apologize for the inconvenience.
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@disgusted
@dustryder
Lets see, your a baby killer.
You claim to be pro choice, except when dealing with anyone right wing. Then you don't support their right to speak. So much for choice.
You claim to like planned parenthood, but you will have to sacrifice their funding to fund the locking up of Trump supporters, which you support.
You have a personality even dustryder doesn't like, and he basically agrees with you.
You have a worse debate record then me. Your too chicken to debate me formally on abortion.
Your probably a communist, given that you want to lock people up for their political beliefs.
These are some insults that you have earned.
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@disgusted
Your posts.
Like what?
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@disgusted
If your going to insult me, at least have the insults be accurate. I can insult you much more effectively. Insults are not how you win.
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@disgusted
Nah I'm cool with the confirmations you provide.
Like what?
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@Greyparrot
Disgusted called me a brain dead dummy and I demand proof for this allegation.
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@disgusted
The BoP is on you to confirm that I am a "dummy".
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@IlDiavolo
His silence shows he might be Irish.
This is a stereotype.
And he might be an adult.
He's probably who he says he is.
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@Greyparrot
At least Trump tried. Sometimes you need to walk away from bad deals.
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@keithprosser
Not all killing is equal. Murder is worse than execution in the same way that kidnapping is worse then prision.
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@Vader
While I don't agree it is right to kill these prisoners, because it teaches them nothing
It teaches society that murder is bad, very bad. The legal system determines how bad a crime is by the punishment that it imposes. The harsher the punishment for murder, the worse murder would seem in the eyes of society. The punishment should fit the crime.
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@n8nrgmi
eighty eight percent of criminologists think the death penalty doesn't deter murder
Why do they think this?
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@n8nrgmi
even if the government is more objective, the intent is still the same, revenge.
The government did not get hurt from the homicide. Therefore, it is not revenge. It is merely the government sticking to a moral code. Moreover, life imprisonment can also be classified as revenge.
the link you gave that says the death penalty deters people is just a bunch of numbers
It is evidence cited from disaster center that it reduces homicide. Those numbers represent the blood and the innocent human life that got saved from the death penalty.
and at least the conventional wisdom is that it does't deter crime.
The "conventional wisdom" is that a strong punishment reduces deterrence. If we had no punishment for murder, then the murder rate would skyrocket. Therefore, the tougher the punishment, the less likely the occurrence.
the death penalty isn't more cost effective as it costs millions in appeals to kill them
This cost can be offset by public executions, which would pay for the execution and can allow the state to have more funds so less innocent people get punished since they could afford to do more lengthy trials.
says that the murderer has no redeeming value, or at least not enough to say they are worth living.
The murderer ought to have no redeeming value since murder makes your moral position beyond the point of no return. If we offer redemption for murder, then it encourages more people to commit murder.
maybe serial killers have not enough redeeming value to keep them alivebut id say given most people have at least murderous impulses, that someone actually following through on it, doesn't make them have no redeeming value.
This is a contradiction on your part.
You mention religion, but we have separation of church and state. If we were to abide by this verse literally, it would mean that you wouldn't punish murderers at all since you would be just turning the other cheek.
when death could also be my penalty for the things i do wrong.
I my book, you have to do something very bad to merit the DP. This includes but is not inherently limited too:
-Murder
-High treason
-Serial rape.
-Serial deliberate HIV spread. If you rape while spreading HIV deliberately, this would also merit the DP.
If your a normal person, your not going to get executed. If you speed, you might get fined, but not executed.
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@Vader
Which moderator were you against in the post? I don't have a problem with either mod.
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I think I should. I want certain policies and I'm willing to compromise to achieve them. The Left claims to be willing to compromise and I could present a chance for them to do so.
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@n8nrgmi
why is it revenge for vigilantes but not for a government body?
The government is objective and is therefore more likely to make a decision on the basis of logic and morality. They are also less likely to convict the wrong person. It is better if punishment is left to the government for felonies like murder.
why should the death penalty be favored over prison?
Life imprisonment is not strong enough for a crime like murder. The DP reduces the homicide rate, it is cheaper or can have it's costs offset.
More information can be found in the following debate:
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@n8nrgmi
The death penalty is not revenge. Revenge is vigilantic. The death penalty is not.
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@Vader
People have better things to than waste their time on this site with only 1 active mod and the other being a hypocritical inactive one
How is bsh1 being a hypocrite?
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@n8nrgmi
Actually, the death penalty(DP) reduces the homicide rate, so deterrence to at least some extent works.capital punishment effectively is about revenge, because deterrence it has long been shown doesn't happen.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fno3SaXsJAt1SKTlKC-vVAjVJTgWvVJG5I0qKqM5Lbw/edit#gid=0 shows many states that abolished the DP and their homicide rates before and after the abolition of this punishment. On average, when states abolished the DP, their homicide rates went up.
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@n8nrgmi
I could also make this argument about Life imprisonment and prison in general. If 2 wrongs don’t make a right, then wouldn’t we also have to not punish our prisoners at all? If the phrase, (Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing is wrong) is a legitimate phrase, then wouldn’t the phrase, (Why do we kidnap people who kill people to show that killing is wrong) also be legitimate. Putting someone in jail without their consent is similar to kidnapping. Does this logic apply? It does not. This is because it is different when the state does something as opposed to an individual.
When the state takes your money without your permission, it is taxes. When you do the same, it is theft.
When the state kidnaps you without your permission, that is prision. When you do it, it is kidnapping, even if vigilantically a punishment for a crime.
When the state kills someone as a punishment for a crime, it is an execution. When you do the same, it is murder.
Moreover, your argument ignores the fact that there are multiple types of killing. Some types of killing along with their basic definitions are:
Slaughtering: When you kill an animal for food.
Manslaughter: When you accidentally kill someone.
Execution: When the state kills as a punishment.
Murder: When a vigilantic individual deliberately kills someone without their consent, and illegally.
My definitions may not be perfect, but they are a basic overview of the definitions of various types of killing. They are not all equal. Murder is different from execution is the same way kidnapping is different from being imprisoned.
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I support the death penalty for murder. If anyone wants to change my mind they are allowed to try.
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@crossed
I'll try to not be a troll. The bible says most of humanity is burning in hell forever in the NT. Because of that, God doesn't deserve my respect.
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@Vader
This is why the South is the poorest because they don't know what the hell is going on besides wanting slavery back so they don't have to work.
The south is poor because they are not urban and their GDP per capita is comparable to Europe. They don't want slavery back.
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@dustryder
I'll respond when I have the energy and the time. It's not your fault. I apologize for the inconvenience.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I believe that you won't have enough time to ask all of us our questions because there are so many of us and the number of questions you will have to answer will be increasing at a fast rate.
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@disgusted
I've decided to stop ignoring you because you are a troll and I hope others don't emulate your mentality or else the 1st amendment would be overturned in the name of, "progress".
I would consider it at 5 weeks, when the cells specialize.And how the fuck would you know that?Science considers it to be about 23 weeks
The cells specialize at 5 weeks (https://blog.udemy.com/cell-specialization/)
As always I know that you have no right to any woman's body uninvited
Why should the woman have any rights to the fetus's body?
Keep your nose out of women's bodies you misogynist.
Ad hominid attack. Your lucky this isn't a debate otherwise this would be poor conduct and you would lose a point.
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@Vader
The thing is, I'm a junior, and the junior year is the hardest year. I need to focus more on work. It why I don't want to engage in another debate until spring break.
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@Vader
I also have school going on, so I'm reluctant to take new debates.
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If I miss this shot, I lose more then if I make this shot though. I'm not a gambler.
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@Vader
As of right now, the #1 ranking is 29 points ahead of me. 2 more average victories and I would get #1 if everything else was constant. What's wrong with a rap battle on this fourm?
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@Vader
As of right now, if #4 wins a debate and I lose this, I might become #4. I'm trying to get #1. I have a shot if I beat RM at a debate we had. I have 2 debates in a voting or debating stage as of this moment. One of them is close (against RM) and the other I'm going to win because it's one of those debates where your opponent forfeits all of the rounds.
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