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@Discipulus_Didicit
If Japan digs their own hole to hell, that's great since it frees the people there faster. It's possible that hell is below the surface of the earth. The Russians heard the sounds of hell while trying to out dig America.
This is an arms race we can't afford to start because if we lose the consequences could be disasterous.
How would it be bad exactly?
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@drafterman
It might. It's worth checking just to see if it's there. If I'm right, we save billions of people. It's cheap to do as well.Hell doesn't exist.
If it did, it's not inside the Earth.
It might. It's worth checking just to see if it's there. If I'm right, we save billions of people. It's cheap to do as well.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think you are focusing on the wrong aspect of this thread. If a man links a spreadsheet then starts talking about litterally excavating the afterlife you aren't supposed to read through the spreadsheet!
Why? I honestly think we need to dig a hole to hell to free everybody there.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If hell exists, it might be below the earth. If it is, it's worth saving the people down there. Also, why are you so against the idea of digging a hole to hell to free the people there?Let me get this sraight... In 2020 you believe that hell is an actual physical place within the Earth? That actually exists and is possible to dig to? That was put there by the big cheese himself and that you can just dig it up no problem? Is this, am I understanding this right?
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@Imabench
It's because our GDP would increase a lot by then according to my calculations. NATO requires every nation to spend 2% of their GDP on defense. Since our GDP would rise, so does military spending just to keep up with NATO quotas. If this clause is modified to be something lower, then we can reduce spending, and that might happen, but I wouldn't count on it.Is there a particular reason why defense spending goes from $520 Billion in 2020 up to $1.44 Trillion by 2033?
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@Vader
I don't like sweets in general.
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@Vader
I say significantly reduce spending.
To what point?
And the hell hole is a dumb idea. I don't want Hitler coming back from the dead just because "he learned his lesson."
The vast majority of people in hell aren't as bad as Hitler, since the bible says your average person is going there. People are individuals.
People who commit evil don't learn their lesson
Depends on the crime. If your not a murderer or a rapist, and most people in hell aren't, then they learned their lesson and should be allowed to get freed if hell is indeed below the earth.
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@Greyparrot
Have evidence? I didn't hear about that.
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@bmdrocks21
That sounds really dumb to incur the wrath of three nations instead of one.
We did that. Saudi Arabia funded the people that did 9/11 and we blame Iraq for it.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I think people should save money so when/if they get unemployed, they can fund their own insurance individually, but without all the bureaucracy. They can invest in stocks and the dividends and the gains would help the individual get more money than a government program could give them. We should get rid of welfare because people mooch off of it. Some states don't even have welfare requirements, meaning anyone can get welfare, even if they refuse to get a job.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
there are only so many jobs right?
More jobs will be created because as the demand would increase from all these people entering the country, and when this demand increases, so will job count proportionally. A common fear of hiring women after WWII was they would take jobs away from men. Did unemployment rise to 50% when women were allowed to work? No. The demand increased, and from this, more jobs were avaliable as a result.
search up the school in Buffalo which has a huge issue because of so many different languages they have to deal with.
The Youth under my plan would be in English only areas unless they don't know English, then they would be assiliminated. If your a parent of a kid and you don't know English, you would learn it on your own or use a translator. When your immersed in an English speaking country, people tend to learn the language pretty fast. I wouldn't phrase it as, "Learn English and you can come here". It's more like, "IF you come here and stay for a long enough time, you'll learn English".
then also consider the crime which would come along with the huge influx of poor people.
If they get jobs, they won't have as much reason to commit crime.
let's take your 55K a year example, obviously 55k in Kommyfornia isn't the same as North Carolina.
It's not the same, but since not every immigrant wants to go to CA, they could move to where $1 buys more if they wanted. They're used to moving after all. Rather then settle in big American cities, they could settle in areas where life is cheaper.
You see these border jumpers MIGHT be working but are they self sufficient or an accounting ledger economic drain when you examine the bottom numbers?
They would have to be because I would want open borders and an abolition to welfare. Any immigrant that comes here for welfare wouldn't come here if we ban welfare. Also, didn't you say immigrants were taking jobs? How can someone be too lazy to work and be taking a job at the same time?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
here's the thing you can't do it without cutting spending, that has been the problem all along, where would you like to cut spending?
Although I would cut spending on many fronts, there are other ways to reduce the debt(I'm not referring to taxing people more). One of these ways is opening the borders. Opening the borders would allow more people into the country. If we replace all federal taxes with a sales tax and capital gains tax, then any time any person in the US, whether here, "legally" or not would pay some tax anytime they buy something. This gives the US huge amounts of tax revenue, that can be used to pay off our debt.
I would cut military spending from 3.7% of our GDP to 2% of our GDP, solely to keep up with NATO quotas.
I would abolish Medicaid, federal housing, basic health plan, unemployment benefits, and transportation costs. While it may seem bad for the poor, it actually modifies the war on poverty, which has been responsible for keeping people poor. If one has a low income, they can find a better job. If they don't have a college degree, that's fine. They can get a better paying job that doesn't require a college degree. There are 30 million jobs that pay $55k or more per year that don't require a bachelor's degree according to the University of Georgetown. There are only 1.6 million minimum wage working adults according to the BLS. They got to work smart, not just hard.
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@Vader
Digging a hole to hell would hopefully save a lot fo the people who are down there from future torture. They learned their lesson down there. Unemployment benefits keep people poor because it keeps low income people dependant on the government.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/136MFNyPCnOs50_QltxPvkBpS2OydnNfG7WZYb21qTrM/edit#gid=920565133 is my plan to get out of debt in 8 years. Thoughts?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I do post more on abortion than I should, that I can see even if disgusted takes this claim out of context. I guess it's because it's controversial, whereas both the left and the right believe the debt is bad. I did figure out how to eliminate the entire debt in 8 years.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
While I would like a financially conservative libertarian to come out of the woodwork and win, it just won't happen
Just as a Liberal supporter in Texas isn't voting for Ted Cruz even though he's most likely to win, I don't need to vote for either of the 2 parties. If Trump or Bernie doesn't reduce the debt, I have no reason to vote for them. Bill Weld, as much as I despise his abortion position, is the candidate that's most likely to eliminate the debt. At least abortion is falling. Our debt isin't. Therefore, I'm probably voting for Bill Weld.
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@Stephen
You have to remember Trump didn't put the USA there in the first place.
He can deal with it by pulling out of the country. Then American ideals will gradually become more popular worldwide since they would see America as a country other than a bully.
And good luck to him and god bless him.
Trump needs a big blessing to be a good president and to win in 2020. I hope he doesn't get it since he doesn't deserve it. Trump has increased the US debt by trillions. Granted, so has Obama, but we need someone other than a democrat or Republican in office.
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@Stephen
It's amazing how much party drives political decision. If Trump came out in favor of Roe V Wade for instance, then the GOP would become pro choice. I try to find something consistent.
On being involved with the middle east, lets pull out entirely, then the middle east would respect us more and bad groups in the middle east would be less likely to form. Trump pulling out of Kurdistan I support. Trump declaring war on Iran by killing a general of theirs (who was on a peace mission), that's something he shouldn't have done. War is expensive, it certainly isn't pro life, our nation building efforts have degraded, and we have a debt that has to get paid off. If Russia helps out Kurdistan, that's fine, let Russia go into debt. But America should pull out of the middle east. Trump was good on pulling out of Kurdistan, but not out of Iraq and Iran.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
If it takes 7 years instead of 10 like in the US, then wouldn't that only justify a cost increase of 50%? America's drug prices are about double what they are in Europe. I think if Europe can reduce their times to 7 years, I think America can do the same if it means cheaper prices by about 50%. We'll get worse drugs, but they won't be that much worse, and if it means they would be more common by 50%(since Europe I think produces more cures than America does if I looked at the the stats deeper), I think curing more diseases, even if there are more side effects would be better than curing less diseases with less side effects.
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@Pinkfreud08
I thought ex meant you were married to someone. My fault.
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@DynamicSquid
Mars would be an earth dependency. Mars wouldn’t have the technology to send an asteroid at Earth and they wouldn’t want to destroy the hand that feeds them.
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@bmdrocks21
Europe innovates new drugs at a comparable rate to the US on a per person basis.
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@DynamicSquid
It's complicated, but here's my spending plan:
Turns out NASA was getting less than what I thought.
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@bmdrocks21
Think it's a good idea for the US to do the same?Other countries have cheaper healthcare because they price fix drugs.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm just starting to get this roasting session in motion.
You were unwanted; your Mom failed an abortion.
Bro you need to take your time.WaterPhoenix? More like Water... Uh... Water... Dummy head.
Learn from someone better like me if you want to get a good roasting rhyme.
What's a 25 year old doing with no college degree?
Maybe you spent your college years sucking D.
Face it, your doing worse than someone who's a minor.
So maybe you might want to consider to retire.
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@WaterPhoenix
Lets start off with something fun to get started.
Your IQ says your borderline retarded.
It's dick that you lick.
If I did that, it would make me sick.
I mean, your whole profile name is a contradiction.
A phoenix burns and you combine that with hydration.
My name is A-L-E-C
And I have a much bigger D
You have the mental intelligence of a bison
Maybe it's why I doubt you have a driver's license.
Your fat, your stupid, your lazy, it's true
No wonder why I don't need a stove to roast you.
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@Greyparrot
You need more then teleprompting skills to be the best in the world.
Warren Buffet for example is better than Jacinda Ardern change my mind if you want to.
Buffet has donated more to charity than her and he has been responsible for getting more people out of poverty whether directly or indirectly than Jacinda Ardern.
I don't have too much against Jacinda Ardern as a prime minister, but she's not the best person in the world.
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@DynamicSquid
That's what I would want to spend in 2033. Now, I'd keep it at around $85 billion.
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@DynamicSquid
A couple more billion should be fine, probably a little more than 30 billion. I still need to do more research on how they spend their budget exactly.
They currently get $19 billion per year. I think they should get more funding, but it shouldn't exceed $200 billion per year.
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Here you can roast any consenting person on this forum.
Hopefully y'all find this fun.
Who wants to get roasted? I'm fine with you guys roasting me.
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@n8nrgmi
I actually support medicare for all on the grounds that it is half the cost of our current system.
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@Vader
Your right on this, but both call for violence.
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@n8nrgmi
i'm against the death penalty at first blush, but if we forced murderers to either donate blood
It would be done every 3 months in an effort to save more lives. They killed one person and in the name of deterrence, they should be forced to save hundreds more over the course of their lives. It would deter so much murder.
because most criminals dont think that way that they want to kill as many as possible
Then why do people murder? Murderers want to do damage to people's lives. I mean such people unfortunately exist.
even if they did think that way, they arent rational enough to be competently making those decisions and would go for the kill.
Murderers are evil, but they are smart. They try to hide their actions and they plan out their homicides. Dylan Roof planned out the shooting he did.
i dont think the supreme court would go for this system, though, because theyd view it as a violation of a person's liberty interest
The person murdered and prison for life is essentially a violation of liberty for the prisoner. Granted, it's justified because genuine murderers don't deserve freedom.
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@disgusted
My position defends a fetus, not a blastocyst.
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@disgusted
I think your the one acting ignorant here.Why do you continue to demonstrate your gross ignorance?
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With the assumption that Stephen and disgusted are against the death penalty, and that Imabench supports it:
Pro death penalty: 1
Anti Death penalty: 3
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@zedvictor4
Well the superiority of the mass in terms of comparative life forms is plain to see.
If this were true, then an elephant would be superior to a human because an elephant is much more massive. It also would mean that killing a 90 kg man would be less bad than killing 2 10 kg toddlers. However, most people would consider a toddler to be more valuable than a man and 2 toddlers even more so.
Is it possible for grass to have purpose and achievements beyond it's base function?
If this is our baseline, since a 5 year old human hasn't achieved anything too important, would it be okay to kill a 5 year old? No. Therefore, some different criteria should be used to measure.
Humans create purpose and achievements, though the question is do those actions have a greater meaning beyond Earthbound humanity itself?
Not all humans do this to a meaningful extent. Someone who has never worked a job hasn't contributed to society, yet if someone shoots them, unless under very rare circumstances, the shooter will and should be charged with homicide.
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@disgusted
There are billions of people in the world. How is Jacinda Ardern better than all of them?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
If the prostitute can get an abortion, then they have less incentive to not get pregnant since they can kill the kid.
6k? that sounds a bit too low.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/sterilization/how-do-i-get-tubal-ligation-procedure states that the maximum cost is $6K. If you have health insurance, which the prostitutes can afford to give themselves, then it's cheaper.
I worry less about them than the crack heads and drug addicts who deliver addicted babies that will have life long problems.
The kids don't have to exist if we sterilize the prostitute.
Forced sterilization is totalitarian and not practical.
Allowing prostitution in some situations is less totalitarian than not allowing it at all.
I see no difference than making birth control mandatory for all females of childbearing age until such a time they wish to get pregnant.
It would be like requiring all males to get vasectomies.
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@disgusted
The world's greatest....
There are better people than Jacinda Ardern. I would say Warren Buffet is better than her.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It's not that hard to get sterilized, you just get your tubes tied. It costs up to $6,000 and prostitutes can earn that money back quickly by having sex with people. The penalty for not getting sterilized as a prostitute would be if they get pregnant, they can't get an abortion.
Whenever anything is banned, it happens illegally. It still is less frequent, so that's a win.
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@Vader
The OT is full of despicable, violent things. The OT sentences many groups to death for trivial things. Hopefully God has a good answer for it.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Birth control reduces abortions, but if your having sex every day, you might get pregnant even with birth control. Sterilization is necessary for this I think.
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@Stephen
I got confused by what you said.
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@zedvictor4
I honestly don't know, but I believe that there is something that makes a human superior to a blade of grass. Got any ideas?But how do you distinguish between the spark of life that exists within both?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I disagree. It is necessary to prevent abortions.Sterilization is a bit extreme.
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@Greyparrot
It's not a code. It's just coincidence. Other non white places also had the ability to drink milk; Australians can't drink milk that well either. It's not about white supremacy.
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