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So you are assuming  what he means.

You must be thinking about Trump.

The word used was “misspelled.”

Greyparrot's point is that race grifters do make a lot of money, and your contention that they don't must be a result of your misspelling the word, "does." It's a clever way of stating "you're wrong."

A grifter is a con artist: someone who swindles people out of money through fraud.

Con artists  get caught and end up in jail.

No spelling mistake here.

Overweight is the new norm?

Misspelled what?

So, any who define it differently lack a brain, including the alternative definitions available?

Very rare for me to read fiction. But I was bought the books as a present by the grandchildren for Christmas, ( I felt obligated to read them) but was quite surprised to find that there is quite a lot of British and other history woven through the books/ series of the G of T. The red wedding was inspired by the black wedding that happened in Scotland. War of the Roses is another.

 The tv series fell off for me after Season 4 and didn't compare to the books in any way. I have read that the two producers David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, aka Dumb & Dumber ran out of material? hard to believe considering the books runs into what seem like a billion of pages.

It didn't help that the author pissed off to write masses of other stuff before completing Song of Ice and Fire.... which still hasn't been completed. The dedicated ardent fans must feel cheated.

Won't bother with this new woke shite called House of The Dragon. FKN woke brigade just can't leave fk all alone, can they.

It can be if you add inflation, higher interest rates and cost of living going up drastically.

always blame individuals for systemic failures

Not really a choice if you do not own the monopoly on violence.

At the very least, we need to undo the policies.

what the fuck is a "culture problem" and how do you propose to "fix" it ?

I don't mean on a professional level.  I mean on a human level.  People's quality of life in general. 

I'm not making any value judgment on that.  I just know that the Americans/Europeans that are cheering for remote work because it makes their financial life better will later see it differently once it makes their financial life worse.

you can NOT monolithically create a universal term like "Black Culture" and have it apply to all dark skinned Americans.

Because you cannot define the term "Black Culture" for those reasons, you also cannot define "white privilege"

If you really want to understand the distinct variations between the many cultures of every skin color of America, I strongly suggest investing time with an audiobook from Dr Sowell called Black Rednecks and White liberals.

After you learn the book, you will never again use the term "Black Culture" or "White culture"

the government rewarding Black women financially for he destruction of the nuclear family (which BLM bizarrely describes as a good thing in their manifesto)

There needs to be both a cultural shift in America followed by policy changes and laws that discourage women initiated divorces  instead of blindly maintaining the status quo encouraging the destruction of the nuclear family. Similar policies need to also discourage having children out of wedlock.

I wonder how far down this road America will travel before it is acceptable to appreciate men again, in the family, in marriages, and in the workplace.

1) It will make people more isolated.  Work is where many people meet mutual friends, and in even some cases, their dating partners. 

2) Foreign competition.  If work is all remote, why would IT, cybersecurity and data analysts pay an American or European $30 an hour, when they could pay someone in India $10-15 an hour?   Granted, competition would help developing countries but would hurt developed countries.

that's why you need MORE than just "facts and evidence"

Furthermore, Oromagi would make the DART team based on any metric.

what a novel concept

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• Business establishments are a little more nuanced but there is still a material right to equal access to goods and services.  You can't have a whites only Wal-Mart because that would substantially limit non-white's right to freely access goods and services, to freely associate.  
  

• If you want to run a Whites only Klan meeting out of your mother's basement, then the freedom of nonwhites to associate is not much infringed and such kind of private segregation ought to be generally permissible.
  
• Let's take for example, a rural gas station run by white supremacists.  No nonwhites allowed.
  
• How far away  does one have to be from the nearest gas station that allows non-white business to qualify as a constructive  choice?  20 miles?  10miles? 1mile?
  
• It almost doesn't make a difference because there always be some nonwhite who's running on fumes who will denied a fairly important access to product.  What if the non-white loses his job because he ran out of gas?  What if a woman dies in labor because she ran out of gas that a whites only station refused to provide?
  
• There's no way to account for the needs and situations of all people wherein  any public segregation is not very likely to deny the segregated their equal freedom to associate.
  

• What is the basis for one's material right to equal access to goods and services which elides the right to private property?
  
• Why can't one have a "Whites-Only" Wal-Mart if the owner/manager dictates as much? In addition, why would the owner/manager be responsible so-called, "non-whites'" capacity to access their goods and services?
  
• Why do any of the concerns you listed--i.e. "what if the non-white loses his job?" "What if a woman dies in labor?" etc.--conscript the proprietor of said gas station into their--presumably "non-whites'--service?
  
• Why is an owner beholden to any person's or all people's needs and situation? Why do their needs and situations supersede the owner's prerogative?
  
• Why can't one treat one's business like one's home? If not, what's the difference?
  

If there's a modern, reasonable gas station right next door, freedom of association is not greatly harmed by such prohibition.

• But, of course, then the supremacist station is fucked either way.  
  
• If they advertise their "whites only" policy, almost everybody including whites are going to prefer the modern, reasonable gas station for their business.
  
• If they don't advertise their "whites only" policy then the will run into the problem of constant enforcement, driving disgruntled and inconvenienced nonwhites away from their pumps.  Intervention by law enforcement and public objection will again shut the supremacist station down.
  

Generally speaking, segregation is anti-capitalist- bad for competition, bad for business.

You made this one up quick. That DDO burned down. Was there a Shila on DDO too? I am new to forums.

And high school English considering you are French speaking.

Is that how you coverup your regressive behaviour with Regressive humor?

Well, I don't even need use a 'supposed law, I suppose,

As I'm pretty sure America already has it.

I do remember a number of years back being bothered a bit, by the gay cake situation,

Not that I was upset that gays were being backed by the law to be able to purchase cake,

But I 'do like individual and group autonomy to decide their own way, a fair bit.

It got me thinking on the argument about how can people be expected to live at all, or as a normal citizen,

If all or even X many private businesses refused service to X individual or group.

I don't remember if I thought, ah yes case closed,

Or just stopped thinking about it, but I did find the argument compelling.

Though as I talk with you now,

The thought comes up to me, well obviously the people of that location don't want X person or group around, why ought they be forced to accommodate?

Because enough of the supposed society doesn't like exclusion, in some cases.

Why though,

Hm. . .

Well, the people 'excluded, certainly don't appreciate being 2nd class citizens, I'd think.

But even the people outside the group excluded, often join in their cause,

As they don't think it's right for another human to be treated such, fellow citizen, fellow soldier in war,

. . .

Though that'd address 'public services, not necessarily 'private services, I'd suppose,

Though 'public is a bit vague,

Private communities existing,

. . .

Hm, other than it being wrong, according to the morals of the people saying groups cannot be excluded, a reason doesn't occur to me.

. . 

Well, this makes me happy, as I think it likely I'm missing something,

So is a reason for me to Google history some,

Though also possible someone else posts why before I read why myself, if there is a reason other than the one I suggested.

Since DDO is no more. There is no way to check member records. It will take time for Athias to make up one.

So your comfort zone is high school  humour.

For most members that would be going too far back.

Out of curiosity, what was your DDO account? Have we spoken on there?

But your humor is certainly High School level. We can all see why it didn’t go beyond that.

reasonable access to other goods and services and

I suppose I'd word the law as,

X is not allowed to prevent entry, service, or participation of individuals or groups based on what they are, believe, or practice.

so it makes me wonder

if people "self-segregate"

how do you stop them ?

the italians want to live in an italian neighborhood

the russians want to live in a russian neighborhood

the vietnamese want to live in a vietnamese neighborhood

the haitians want to live in a haitian neighborhood

the jamaicans want to live in a jamaican neighborhood

and they tell us that black students do better in school with black teachers

doesn't this translate logically to everyone else as well ?

sense of community

is like a sixth sense

food and language and art and music

cult(ure)

Your profile says you have a high school diploma.

I’m currently a college student in the United States studying math and economics, and am from India.

... ... ...interesting.

I’m considering the MSc in Econometrics and Mathematical Economics at the LSE, yeah! 

For a PhD, I’d just do an econ PhD, preferably in the US (if I did end up doing one). Econ PhD admissions generally expect that undergraduate students do a lot of math.

I’m strongly considering an econ PhD! Or potentially a masters in economics from outside the U.S. (e.g., at the LSE). 

I worry that it unfairly favors whoever gets the last word -- because in, say, a 10,000-character round, you have 10,000 characters of the final round, and that’s a huge advantage under tabula rasa judging. It’d be nice to replicate LD or Policy, and have a Neg block followed by a short last word for Aff. 

Otherwise, I like it. I appreciate that it allows for incorporating evidence and making compelling arguments. I think the 4-point system is a bit silly, though (luckily you can opt out of it!), and the judging quality is not the best (nor is the quantity good). 

I feel like people on online forums care more about broad schools of economic thought than most economists do. I feel like it’s a fairly easy label or identifier that doesn’t capture much nuance. 

That said, I’d say on business cycle macroeconomics, I’m somewhere in between the New Keynesians and market monetarists; I’m not sure that New Keynesians are right to treat price stickiness as more important than wage stickiness (i.e., their models often come to the conclusion that prices being slow to change affects the business cycle more than wages being slow to change) -- especially since we’re in the midst of an economic expansion where real wages are falling, which would be a bit more in line with old Keynesian or market monetarist thought.

As far as long-run economic growth goes, as well as microeconomics, I think the standard neoclassical paradigm is alright, but needs to be moderated and more driven by empirics.

I don’t believe I’ve interacted with you on this site! So I’m not sure I have one. Sorry about that!

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the royal family are literally the most expensive welfare family in history

Biden is the best president of my lifetime

PELTOLA BEATS PALIN

By BECKY BOHRER

September 1, 2022

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Democrat Mary Peltola won the special election for Alaska’s only U.S. House seat on Wednesday, besting a field that included Republican Sarah Palin, who was seeking a political comeback in the state where she was once governor.

Peltola, who is Yup’ik and turned 49 on Wednesday, will become the first Alaska Native to serve in the House and the first woman to hold the seat. She will serve the remaining months of the late Republican U.S. Rep. Don Young’s term. Young held the seat for 49 years before his death in March.

“I don’t think there will be another birthday like today,” Peltola said.

“Really I’m just so grateful to Alaskans and all the Alaskans who put their faith in me to fill out the remainder of Congressman Young’s term,” she said in an interview. “My desire is to follow in Congressman Young’s legacy of representing all Alaskans, and I’m just looking forward to getting to work.”

Peltola’s victory, in Alaska’s first statewide ranked choice voting election, is a boon for Democrats, particularly coming off better-than-expected performances in special elections around the country this year following the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade. She will be the first Democrat to hold the seat since the late U.S. Rep. Nick Begich, who was seeking reelection in 1972 when his plane disappeared. Begich was later declared dead and Young in 1973 was elected to the seat.

Peltola ran as a coalition builder while her two Republican opponents — Palin and Begich’s grandson, also named Nick Begich — at times went after each other. Palin also railed against the ranked voting system, which was instituted by Alaska voters.

All three - Peltola, Palin and Begich - are candidates in the November general election, seeking a two-year term that would start in January.

The results came 15 days after the Aug. 16 election, in line with the deadline for state elections officials to receive absentee ballots mailed from outside the U.S. Ranked choice tabulations took place Wednesday after no candidate won more than 50% of the first choice votes, with state elections officials livestreaming the event. Peltola was in the lead heading into the tabulations, followed by Palin and then Begich.

State elections officials plan to certify the election by Friday.

Alaska Democratic Party leaders cheered Peltola’s win.

“Alaskans have made clear they want a rational, steadfast, honest and caring voice speaking for them in Washington D.C., not opportunists and extremists associated with the Alaska Republican Party,” state Democratic party chair Michael Wenstrup said in a statement.

Wednesday’s results were a disappointment for Palin, who was looking to make a political comeback 14 years after she was vaulted onto the national stage when John McCain selected her to be his running mate in the 2008 presidential election. In her run for the House seat, she had widespread name recognition and won the endorsement of former President Donald Trump.

After Peltola’s victory was announced, Palin called the ranked voting system “crazy, convoluted, confusing.”

“Though we’re disappointed in this outcome, Alaskans know I’m the last one who’ll ever retreat,” Palin said in a statement.

Begich in a statement congratulated Peltola while looking forward to the November election.

During the campaign, critics questioned Palin’s commitment to Alaska, citing her decision to resign as governor in July 2009, partway through her term. Palin went on to become a conservative commentator on TV and appeared in reality television programs, among other pursuits.

Palin has insisted her commitment to Alaska never wavered and said ahead of the special election that she had “signed up for the long haul.”

Peltola, a former state lawmaker who most recently worked for a commission whose goal is to rebuild salmon resources on the Kuskokwim River, cast herself as a “regular” Alaskan. “I’m not a millionaire. I’m not an international celebrity,” she said.

Peltola has said she was hopeful that the new system would allow more moderate candidates to be elected.

During the campaign, she emphasized her support of abortion rights and said she wanted to elevate issues of ocean productivity and food security. Peltola said she got a boost after the June special primary when she won endorsements from Democrats and independents who had been in the race. She said she believed her positive messaging also resonated with voters.

“It’s been very attractive to a lot of people to have a message of working together and positivity and holding each other up and unity and as Americans none of us are each other’s enemy,” she said. “That is just a message that people really need to hear right now.”

Alaska voters in 2020 approved an elections process that replaced party primaries with open primaries. Under the new system, ranked voting is used in general elections.

Under ranked voting, ballots are counted in rounds. A candidate can win outright with more than 50% of the vote in the first round. If no one hits that threshold, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated. Voters who chose that candidate as their top pick have their votes count for their next choice. Rounds continue until two candidates remain, and whoever has the most votes wins.

In Alaska, voters last backed a Democrat for president in 1964. The number of registered voters who are unaffiliated with a party is greater than the number of registered Republicans or Democrats combined, according to statistics from the Division of Elections.

The last Democratic member of Alaska’s congressional delegation was Mark Begich, Nick Begich’s uncle, who served one term in the U.S. Senate and lost his 2014 reelection bid.

Alaska’s U.S. senators, Republicans Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan, congratulated Peltola.

Murkowski said Peltola “has a long track record of public service to our great state.” Murkowski and Peltola were in the state Legislature together.

but i've never seen this "social contract" you seem to be talking about

ok, well within the current framework of how modern western society works.

My position wins, unless you argue to completely roll back of human rights,

my position will remain more consistent as long as property laws exist.

You have to go ultimate skeptic (destroying all presumed axioms) to have a "critique" against me.

I could say the exact same thing about anything, from rape to murder.

That was a non argument. Nothing you said actually debunked anything i said. 

Are you under the impression that I believe a person has a obligation in financing the welfare of other people's kids?

If one has a social contract with the state

then why does someone have a financial obligation to other people's kids, aiding them in getting a free school meal, for someone else's kids to be able to go to the dentist, hospital, and to have nice schools, but he doesn't have a moral obligation to his own son financially?

Considering the fact bodily autonomy is to do with your body what you wish. If you're not independently viable you physically cant do with your body what you wish (from another's own bodily autonomy). Your body cannot be said to be yours alone if it is not self sustaining without the leverage/aid of another's bodily autonomy. Your bodily autonomy becomes theirs if you don't have independent viability. This then means (most) foetus's don't have a right to bodily autonomy, therefore they don't necessarily have a human right to life either. What do you think of that, Mr bone

And once more, there's other facts of the matter which make them unsymmetrical unless we simply reduce it down to ownership of a "resource".

How would you argue against this?

Because the mediator which is spoken about in Hebrews is the atonement - the cross.  Not prayer.  Only Jesus could make that sacrifice on the cross - since only he was perfect in himself - without sin. No one else can be the mediator. 

It is not talking about prayer.   The bible clearly says Jesus prays for us. It also says the Holy Spirit prays for us.  the Spirit of God is not Jesus. So how does the Spirit of God intercede for us?  

We are commanded to pray for and on behalf of other people. This is called intercession.  Intercessionary prayer is normal in every church I have ever seen.   We pray that God will heal someone. Or pray that God will comfort someone.  We pray that God will forgive people for their sins.  

Athias, I am not Catholic.  I don't pray to Mary.  I think Mary is dead.  I think the Catholics misinterpret lots of things.  I was providing a reason for why they hold to this view. Not saying I agree with it.  

Having said that - the creeds call her the Mother of God. God created a body - and breathed into it - and it became a living soul. Jesus is fully God and fully man. Mary was clearly the mother of Jesus.  

I'm not a Catholic. And I am not sure whether the author is coming back or has left for good. But I will take a stab at what Catholics are likely to say in respect of your questions:

Read the verses and find it yourself. 

The martyrs - those under the altar, petitioned God - and said how much longer - before you will avenge us?  Clearly if this is a picture of heaven, then it leads to the conclusion that people in heaven know what is going on in earth and pray or petition God to assist. 

Again, I am protestant.

Yet, the substance of the commandment is about worship.   Don't worship anything except God. What it doesn't say is - don't make anything at all.  

Again, you would need to define worship as you understand it.

Catholics don't consider it worship. 

Its contained within the whole story of the vision he had - with respect to the Gentiles.  The point was clear. What God calls clean is clean.  Pig was unclean in the OT and something happened when Jesus came - that changed it from being unclean to clean. the same with the Gentiles. they were unclean in the OT and yet something happened which made them clean.  The principle of interpretation is that Jesus is the intervening event.  How did his coming fulfil the law so that Gentiles could become part of the family of God? 

In relation to the Sabbath, Christ is our rest.  Again read the book of Hebrews.   Read Paul's writings where he says - no one particular day is more sacred than another.  We celebrate Sunday because that is the day that Christ rose from the dead - on the first day of the week. It is the day the Christians met to worship. How do we know that they weren't meeting on the Jewish Sabbath? Because they were collecting money.  Something which was forbidden on the Sabbath.

The bible - NT clearly says Jesus rose on the first day of the week. 

Matthew 28:1-4 reveals the women went to the grave  on the first day of the week. Dawn. So half way through the first day.

Mark 16:9 "when Jesus rose early on the first day of the week". 

Luke 24:1 "on the first day of the week the woman went early in the morning. " Again halfway through the first day. 

John 20:1 early on the first day of the week, the woman arrived at the empty tomb. 

 

so the gospels indicate the woman went early on the first day of the week. Mark indicates Jesus rose on that day.  It is the day that the apostles and the Christians met and worshiped. I think it is pretty clear.   

I' not sure you do.  the Sabbath is not eliminated.  It is ongoing.  the sabbath has not been redesignated.  the sabbath is the sabbath. We are in a new age since Christ arrived and died and rose again.  We worship Christ on Sunday the first day of the week - the 8th day of the week.  we rest in Christ continually as we await for his return. 

It does actually.  You don't like the answer. I can see that.

What Catholics do is on them.

What day do the Orthodox celebrate church?

Every major denomination in the world agrees.

It has been the way since the beginning of the church.

It can't be put on the Roman Catholics.  

Sin? From Adam and Eve.  People in power often have opportunities. 

I don't agree. It is human sin.  And sin is universal.  

I am not saying otherwise.  Yet, by looking at the Catholic Church without recognizing the prevalence in the society universally

1.     Why do (Catholics) celebrate the date of Jesus's birth on Christmas, December 25th

I like the explanation that says God would often start and finish events on the same date.  For instance the passover in Exodus and the crossing into the land of Israel over the river Jordan 40 days to the day later.  A common occurrence in Jewish history. 

 

Applying that Jesus' birth is quite simple really. If we don't know specifically when he was born. We find out when he died. Easy. Passover in a particular year.  That just happens to be in that particular year March 25.  Jesus died on March 25.   If he was conceived on the same date - March 25 - move forward 9 months - December 25.  not that difficult really. And it makes sense. 

Why is the observance of  the resurrection named "Easter"?

the obvious answer is easter is the name of a pagan deity.  And thence it is following after a festival held on the same day.  And probably there is truth to this. That a crossover of events - led many to call it Easter.  

I'm not really sure what the problem is.   It is vey likely in a world where people exist - that nations and groups of people celebrate events on the same day.

I have a birthday next week

- which I am sure others - probably millions of people will also be celebrating their birthday. Does that make mine any less true or significant?

Easter is a name.

I do believe that Catholics like an overwhelming majority of Christian denominations are being coaxed into accepting Luciferian rituals, because the Pope and the Catholic elite, I suspect, ARE LUCIFIERIANS--the pope himself being Lucifer's vicar.

I wonder whether you refuse to use the names of the days of the week. And if you do - use them - does that make you a suspicious character - a luciferian for instance.

But we can also appreciate that names such as Easter, or the days of the week - are actually about unity rather than trying to worship some kind of false god.  

for something to be contradictory they must be 1 to 1. For instance: if i say its wrong for anyone to litter but then litter, i have contradicted myself and acted hypocritically. If im a narcissist and say others shouldn't litter, then i don't contradict myself if i litter, as i only apply that moral ought to others. There really is no realistic symmetry here which cant simply be brushed away based on preference/perspective.

I referenced you, I didn’t have anything directly to say to you. Big difference. 

If it is the case that women can willingly engage in sex and subsequently abort the fetus because "her body is her choice", does it then follow that a male can impregnate a female and subsequently not pay child support because "his body his choice"?

It is entirely possible that a male, after impregnating a women, regrets the choice, just as how women commonly experience such regret, so would it follow (on the grounds of consistency) that men ought to al have the right to abandon the child and not pay child support? 

All fact driven. Not an appeal to authority. Clearly you and Athias  don’t comprehend the difference. 

I don’t see Tradesecret coming back from this level of shellacking.

We pray on behalf of people and we pray for people.  In our worship services - a presbyterian service - we have praise and confession prayer. 

Catholics hold to the view that Mary is not dead.  But rather alive, having ascended like Jesus.

Others would hold to the view as in Revelation 6:9-11 that those in heaven know what is going on earth and petition on behalf of those on earth is not just a future thing but ongoing now. 

My purpose was to look at the substance behind the commandment not to have icons and images and to differentiate between the two.  What would convince you that they don't see them as items of worship? 

The bible forbids such items - if they are to be used as items of worship.

For example. Peter in the book of Acts - was instructed by God to eat bacon and ham.

Yet in the NT - since Christ fulfilled all things including the sacrifices - and this also applies to the Sabbath. 

I had never heard of this until you raised it. I have never been to the Vatican and probably never will. I did do a google search and it was interesting read. Nevertheless, it does seem pretty clear that there are those who would like to paint the Catholic Church as a satan serving church and do distort images to make it appear to be that way. Other photos - pain a completely different view. 

I am not Catholic - so my views on his mistakes would be biased. I think he stuffed up in relation to the handling of child sex matters. I think he was probably corrupt

Yes, he did.

The NT clearly says he rose early on the first day of the week.  I also think he prob died on Wednesday - 

So you understand then. good. 

If you read the book of Hebrews you would understand?  We are now resting in Christ. That was the purpose of the Sabbath. 

Because Christ is our sabbath.  

The only real answer is "sin."   Probably due to the fact that the Catholic church wanted to preserve the integrity of the priesthood.  Wanted to believe its priests were above reproach.  Maybe - the focus on single priests only had a bit to do with it as well.   Maybe there was just too many opportunities and not enough accountability.  

I don't know how long it has gone on.

It certainly has existed for just as long in the other institutions in society - from Boy Scouts, schools, orphanages, sports clubs, political clubs, university clubs, bikie clubs, brothels, etc.

It sadly is part of humanity in all of its institutions - 

1. Why do (Catholics) celebrate the date of Jesus's birth on Christmas, December 25th?
   
2. Why hasn't the Pope ordered the destruction of the Obelisk located in St. Peter's Square or the Statue of Moloch in the Colosseum?
   
3. Why is the observance of  the resurrection named "Easter"?
   

You can't. My first post that you quoted literally said "they're pointing at something that you can't prove is there."