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Today I will move this to the main forum, to expand the audience. And yes, when the real thread is ready, politics and any other forums with a lot of controversy will likely be getting one (maybe with a different user quote for the words of wisdom).
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@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@SirAnonymous
Pink has been replaced. You are currently voting to lynch our new arrival.
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@Vader
Zaradi said hello, but not with a role and alignment assigned.
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@Vader
lets not wait to lynch oro right now
Two things:
- I don't agree with the philosophy of killing town confirmed people before we must.
- It would be polite to wait for replacements to check in (not to mention, it gives us initial reads on them).
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@Greyparrot
@Zaradi
There's been some speculation as to what characters might have what roles. Here's the currently revealed information, it's not much:
Dashboard
TOWN ALIAS ROLE
The order to the middle section is just when people first posted. I copied it from my list of that; it doesn't imply scum or town leanings. Oro I am reading as town, so he goes up above the first divider (more dividers can be added if needed).
Vote Count (unofficial)
Pink - 3/6 - Pie, Sir, oro
oro - 3/6 - Speed, Supa, Singularity
VNTL - 1/6 - Ragnar
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@drafterman
I was going to vote for Pink, but with a replacement inbound (and another inbound for Press)...
VNTL
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@Speedrace
@Singularity
Directly competing philosophies, each with trade-offs.
I would hate for us to stay silent for days in fear of revealing anything. Even if it would technically be an optimal strategy, it sounds boring.
I would hate for us to stay silent for days in fear of revealing anything. Even if it would technically be an optimal strategy, it sounds boring.
On the other hand, mafia would gain more than town from knowing everyone's roles, so at least right now keeping our cards close to our chests seems best. ... I do not extend this to the inactives.
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To encourage activity, I’ll reveal that I am one of the people who has already been mentioned. Role reveals should probably wait for another day.
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@SirAnonymous
The order to the middle section is just when people first posted. I copied it from my list of that; it doesn't imply scum or town leanings. Oro I am reading as town, so he goes up above the first divider.
In my first forum game here, I considered having that tool to be invaluable in keeping track of things. So the message in which he stated his identity, gets linked, and then another link to the MU site description of the role claim.
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@SirAnonymous
What are your thoughts on lynching oro now as opposed to lynching him later this DP?
If ever there isn't a NK we have no choice but to lynch him. Until then IMO he is basically town confirmed (plus he'd put his neck into a noose for our benefit). He is sadly a liability, so a default person to lynch; but that there is an easy answer doesn't mean that should be the only one evaluated.
Singularity is probably right about expected values. It still feels lazy to not give all players the chance to speak.
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@oromagi
That sounds like a very neat role you have, and one I doubt someone would lie about having in DP1.
You are my first town read, even if that goes away should a NK ever fail (assuming we have a cop, they could technically investigate the following night... but I suspect that rarely happens in these scenarios).
As for VTLing me; I guess it makes as much sense as any other random finger pointing in DP1.
As for VTLing me; I guess it makes as much sense as any other random finger pointing in DP1.
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I might as well get a dashboard started
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Currently checked in players...
2. SirAnon
7. Speedrace
4. SupaDudz
10. ILikePie
8. Water
3. Singularity
1. Ragnar
Idle...
5. Press
6. Pink
9. oro
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@Mopac
Not all assertions are logical arguments, so it would be a misidentification to call such statements fallacies.
I agree.
I see this as an attempt to censor me.
Unlikely.
our theology is not understood through logical arguments
Not everyone of your faith would agree; as evidenced by the various persuasive attempts all around this site and the rest of the internet. If such attempts are to be made, advice to minimize a few common errors might be useful.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That was initially a very confusing report... Sorry whomever it was deleted whatever it was.
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@Vader
Ok, my bad. I think I remember hearing about someone rage quitting survivor? ... Who won survivor anyway?
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@Vader
So if someone is Lunatic, we should expect perhaps them to be a suicide bomber? (not sure which other roles remove themselves from the game)Lunatic got mad and rage quit lol
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I did not play survivor, nor do I watch the show. I'm kinda of our first replacement (someone dropped out just before the start).
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I don't think I would be able to resist the craziness of role madness.
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@3RU7AL
That's a gem. A great retelling of Job, with added context from the other two Books of Wisdom.Click to watch 7 minutes, [LINK]
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@EtrnlVw
When he's caught up on a few other things, I'll remind him of that.
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@Singularity
refraining from obvious logical fallacies
Would you mind making a first draft for said section?
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@EtrnlVw
Are we still going to change the title to this section as topics related to "spirituality and religious concepts"?
That's up to Mike. I assembled what I believe to be a near-optimum plan, and passed it onto him.
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@Stephen
If someone is doing that to you, please report the relevant posts and/or message one of us.
There’s times when it’s rude but tolerable, and there’s times when it clearly crosses the line.
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@SirAnonymous
That might be too much truth for us to handle!
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@SirAnonymous
You should aim to make it at least 110% true.I'll be sure to write up a 100% accurate report on this in the Bard.
🤣
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@PressF4Respect
Because I read Fahrenheit 451 and got entirely the wrong message from it!
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If anyone would like edits to a few of their old threads, message the changes to me.
The changes may be refined titles (such as to fix spelling or capitalization), adding tags, amending in relevant links, or of course moving from one forum to another. Just not anything which clearly perverts the context of what people already replied.
When I say a few, I mean it. I don't intend to be spending hours fixing every old mistake.
The changes may be refined titles (such as to fix spelling or capitalization), adding tags, amending in relevant links, or of course moving from one forum to another. Just not anything which clearly perverts the context of what people already replied.
When I say a few, I mean it. I don't intend to be spending hours fixing every old mistake.
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Hey everyone, Ragnar here. For those of you who don’t know me, I’m the deputy moderator.
This thread is an attempt to generate a useful pinned thread to teach people expectations for using the controversial forums. Feedback is highly encouraged. After a couple iterations of editing, I hope to copy/paste the final result into a new pinned and locked thread, then move this one to the archive.
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Words of Wisdom:
“Despite our own fervency. Religion nonetheless does not offer up any definitive answers. Therefore we must always be tolerant of opposing beliefs and opinions.”-Zedvictor4
Please submit any others, especially for topics other than religion.
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Formatting Best Practices:
For actual debates, I highly suggest referencing the guide. However, for general forum use, just obey a few simple rules:
- Space between things is useful if you wish to be legible,
- Don’t bold and/or CAPITALIZE all of your text, and
- Don’t misquote other users.
Regarding the quote tool (just right of the underline button when making a post), bare in mind it adds an extra space after its paragraphs; so if replying just after it, use a couple line breaks around each section.
Correct Way
What’s being replied to...
Reply to the above, followed by two line breaks to separate it from the next point of discussion.
What’s being replied to next...
Reply to the above..
Wrong Way
What’s being replied to...
Reply to the above, disguised to look like it’s replying to what’s below; adding needless confusion.
What’s being replied to next
Reply to the above..
The problem with this is there are no extra line breaks, which clusters the wrong bits together. That the formatting does this is known, so use the extra line breaks.
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Code of Conduct:
There are two frequently relevant sections of the CoC:
Personal Attacks
This is not a ban on disagreements, or even using what someone said to make them look bad (this can be done in a civilized manner). In general, just don’t be varelse.
Other Prohibited Conduct
If it’s obviously wrong, don’t do it. However the big ones to which there have been repeated issues...
NEVER:
- Share private information (however it was attained)
- Impersonate anyone! (misrepresenting what was said can rise to this level)
Examples
Expressing frustration with immaturity:
- Borderline: “The job of moderation is not to be your surrogate parents.”Problematic, but not outright vile.
- Wrong: “Clearly your daddy didn’t beat you enough, so I'm going to take your mom out to a nice dinner; don’t wait up...”Don’t start imagining things about peoples upbringing, especially not to insinuate child abuse, or infer intent to... Just don’t ok?
Response to mind reading:
- Borderline: “I didn’t know you have super powers to know what I was thinking! What’s it like to be a superhero?”Sarcasm is usually warranted, and as an isolated case it does not cross the line into excessive trolling.
- Wrong: “Oh yeah? You’re a Nazi!”Accusing someone of direct involvement with genocide, is almost never warranted.(This example had to go in here somewhere, and I did not have any good bad reply to the common BS of members claiming to know what someone else is thinking)
Please submit more hypothetical examples, and suggest any refinements to the above (layout and/or content). Of course this is not a call out thread, so name types of behaviors, but not users who commit them. The basic idea here is to make people aware first that there is a line to be crossed, and further about where that line is (without getting too ugly).
Reporting
If someone is harassing you (or anyone else), click on the flag icon in the top right of their post (just left of the thumbs up). If context is needed, message a moderator directly.
To be clear, the Reasonable Person standard is applied. You being “triggered” is not enough. However, if you've asked someone to cease and desist, and they follow you around (possibly encouraged by that rejection), matters against them are viewed more seriously than if they had no idea anyone considered their conduct problematic.
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Trolls (and comedy):
A troll is a mythic cave dwelling being, with an appetite for billygoats.
Nothing attracts trolls like attempts at intelligent discourse. They are usually best handled by simply ignoring them.
We admittedly don't have the best definition of trolling:
Trolling is the use of inflammatory language or extreme and unsupported claims aimed at provoking a negative emotional response. Excessive trolling is strongly discouraged and is prohibited when it significantly interferes with site user experience.
Overly sensitive users are going to accuse anyone who so much as cracks of joke (or corrects them) of being a malicious troll, so I will use the term a bit open-endedly.
There are three types of trolls (or with vulgarity):
- Clowns who are not necessarily trying to inspire anger.
- Losers with nothing better to do with their lives than try to anger strangers.
- Idiots who say things so stupid you mistake them for the Type 1 or Type 2, but they lack the mental facilities to do it intentionally.
So if engaging in comedy, please keep the following in mind:
- Lots of people will see it, so try to make it more about entertaining the audience, rather than hurting anyone's feelings.
- Never forget Poe's Law. The one time a feminist talks in satire about how women are weakened by their right to vote, someone will mistake them for being serious.
- Don't do mindless insults. Just calling someone a retard makes you look uninspired. It's much better to properly evaluate their logic, point out every flaw in it, and leave them being a mentally deficient the unspoken but only rational conclusion from the evidence.
- Don't stalk people. Their interactions on a different topic in a different thread, is not the time to bring up old dirt. Certainly never make threads calling them out by name.
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Next Section:
Other sections to follow as someone thinks of them...
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@SirAnonymous
We might need a series of pages to navigate through, with special puzzles to advance, all to prepare people for the trigger warnings.
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@BrotherDThomas
You make a good point. We should look at it in the perfect original non-translated text, and not try to understand it within the ungodly English language... This should not be confused with studying said languages, but literally just stare at the pages until God makes us understand.
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@SirAnonymous
Oh and you may want to add a Trigger Warning Warning Warning... Just in case anyone might cry about being triggered by the warning about trigger warnings, you'll have pre-warned them so they can avoid ever being exposed 🤣
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@SirAnonymous
That was great!
About the only thing I would change, is adding links to what's being talked about, and posting advertisements for this news program at the locations in question.
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@drafterman
Put me down as a backup. I can't offer much time, but if the need arises I don't mind stepping in.
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@Dynasty
PETA thinks so: https://www.peta.org/blog/cows-milk-perfect-drink-supremacists/
The day I saw that hilarity, is the day I gave up on them.
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My understanding is that they can be purchased directly, and/or earned through site activity. I don’t think they are working yet, but they will be able to be spent on things like pinning a thread to the top for x days, other things I don’t know about yet, or even changing a username.
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@DynamicSquid
Bsh1 was the first lead moderator here, but as far as I know he did not create the site. A guy named Mike did (username: Debateart.com), and there's some conspiracy theories about what interested him in debate culture, his real identity, etc.
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As a general reminder, call-out threads as usually banned as per the CoC... This one earned an exception, due to importance to the very the fate of humanity!
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I’m going to use GPS as an analogy... There are many roads to the same destination, you believe yours is best, maybe due to experience take an alternative which the GPS doesn’t suggest, but that doesn’t mean every other driver on the road is wrong.
Unless they’re using iMaps. 0 stars on a scale of 1 to 5; WTF Apple?
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@3RU7AL
As you can see in post #6, I too dislike that word in the description.
Anyway, I made my suggestions to Mike. More suggestions can of course be done later, but until the current set of changes are finished, it’s mainly a matter of wait and see.
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Also I’ve unpinned this thread.
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It feels soon, but I would say unlikely to be indefinite within our lifetime. There will be complications for the first generation trying whatever new technologies arise; which is not to say lives won't begin to be massively prolonged.
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@blamonkey
You're welcome. I dislike that my votes have so much damn weight, so I try to advertise debates to encourage other people to vote.
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@blanks
He was only back briefly, staying to finish a final debate and say his farewells.
FYI, said final debate is in the voting period. https://www.debateart.com/debates/1702/resolved-the-us-should-institute-congressional-term-limits
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@SirAnonymous
Would you mind sharing your night actions?
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