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Here. And totally definitely vanilla...
You may be wondering how this is possible when the mod says "NO VANILLAS" but notice the S at the end, no vanillas plural, not singular.
😁
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I'm sure we all know someone going through one or has gone through one... But ugly divorce mafia! The scum are the true claims, the rest are the (usually) worse made up stuff which has powers to affect the court.
As an example, shit in the child's pants from 3000 miles away!
And yes, I'm posting after helping a friend in court today. I needed to vent somewhere (Among Us pun intended).
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Put me down as a backup.
If necessary I can step in, but I will be far less active than optimal (not to say making zero posts).
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@AustinL0926
Once again, thank you for hosting!
And an incredibly fun setup.
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@ILikePie5
Oh no, town people try to prevent being mislynched rather than joining Pie in VTLing themselves at his random whims... The end is nigh!
You trying to get town cred by acting shocked, only compounds the problem of your near-abysmal reasoning skills.
All anyone has to do to verify you tricked them with the Chewbacca Defense (BTW, serious props for getting whiteflame to throw in the towel on that), is look at where you said I did not quote you, look at the repeated quotations, and post #290 (which both you and Lunatic deny you wrote).
If said post looks to have been written by you (hint: it was), and contains the words I've repeated quoted "Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive" then you're caught in the dumbest lie I can remember in any of these games and should be lynched on principle (I still think Lunatic first, since he's normally way too smart for this crap).
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@AustinL0926
Time for a final vote count. I'll check my phone in a bit to lock the thread.
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@Earth
@Vader
@Moozer325
Best of luck to the rest of you.
If in doubt, lynch the liars. Lunatic and Pie denying that Pie wrote a post which he verifiably wrote, should be quite telling.
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@whiteflame
You should only be dropped down to MILO. So get one of them tomorrow, no matter the extensive lame excesses.
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@Lunatic
Well grats, looks like your lies are fucking working.
Again, 290, Pie has outright stated I never quoted him.
I have repeatedly quoted him in my taunts.
You joining him saying I'm a liar and that he never wrote that post, is unbelievable of you as town (in fact, I'm baffled you're doing it as scum).
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@Lunatic
I can do the same for Lunatic with his incredibly lazy garbage explanation for my analysis. They're not actually using the worst tactic, with minimal effect that can get newer players to not read analysis by effectively claiming it didn't occur.It's funny, because that is the EXACT tactic you are using now. Scummy....
You've been away, and your scum buddy has been speaking for your team.
I'm going to need to break this down for you...
At its most basic, if Pie is scum, then there's a greater than zero chance he's not town (in fact, I am 100% certain scum doesn't equal town)... So accusing him of being scum, is a greater than zero defense against said theory.
Then there's me not believing he RBed you at all, nor that he's a magical rainbow unicorn role with all the powers but none of them can be outed until DP3 (including mod confirming him, as you've said he's "100% town," which is something I don't see you doing for the contents of a message you claimed he sent you). You being that gullible, breaks the suspension of disbelief for me.
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@Lunatic
Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?I liked that post, because you are LITERALLY lying
You too think Pie did not write 290... Nice to see scum sticking together on insane and pointless gambits.
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@ILikePie5
Why are you allying with Barney when he has literally lied about me lol
Nice job liking your own post. And what lie? That you wrote 290 so the quotations from it aren't from you... What possible scum power would enable me to post as you?
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@AustinL0926
Small correction to your vote tally, I voted for Lunatic last night in post #269
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@Moozer325
I advise using a dashboard like the following, and publicly add to it when appropriate.
You'll still miss things, but less key informational moments.
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR__________ _NP1 NP2
2. Pie "confirmable" ??? ???
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@Earth
@Vader
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
For anyone having a hard time following, in post #269 I did an analysis on Pie and Lunatic. They both gave basically the same highly unintelligent response of denying it exists.
Pie is now jumping up and down claiming he never wrote #290 (nor have I quoted him at all "You didn’t quote me" (see above for repeated direct quotations)), in which he proclaimed his DP3 role reveal will magically explain his every action, including how he knew Joebob was scum.
Oh sorry, if you believe he wrote 290, like the author name on it suggests, you're a meanie who's gaslighting him!
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I admit I have a much harder time believing this wanton stupidity from Lunatic. Either way, I'd bet a hefty sum that they're the scum team. With Lunatic falling back into the shadows, my money is on them being the more valuable of the two mafiosos.
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@ILikePie5
I have not. Please point to the post where I said that.
OMG! I just told you.
Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
Are you actually going with the paint chip defense?
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@ILikePie5
Based on the dashboard you posted, Moozer was the most likely to move at that point in time
He's a new player, with one off powers, and no clear person in need of defense. He was unlikely to move. Further, someone claimed initiating movement has no chance of catching scum claiming to have a role which does not move. Information gets gathered to catch people in lies.
I'm saying how the PM described it. Whereas you and Lunatic are claiming that you are privately mod confirmed RB/messenger/day cop who is right that Joebob was actually scum in spite what he looks like in the graveyard etc... I can't keep track of how many traits you two have added to your role. It's insane.Again, your role apparently told you with certainty that Joebob was guilty in DP1... and he flipped innocent, but we're just supposed to forget?Neither me nor Lunatic said anything close to what you’re saying here.
Let's see who is gaslighting who...
Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
Lets see, you claim that your role is how you knew with certainty that Joebob is scum, and all will be revealed in DP3... Saying your role told you, sounds a lot like you saying your role told you. But it's "gaslighting" to literally quote you. You poor sweet child, the world must be so very harsh.
So after I said Motion Detector, you just went along with it and didn’t clarify that MD is not your role? Why?
This is so stupid it should never need to be asked... I updated the dashboard with the information that best matches the unique role I have. As someone with an incredibly unique role, I'm supposed this would baffle you.
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@Vader
Let’s also consider the fact that at this moment, no cop (besides the 1x given to WF) is in this game or claimed so far
Pie has stated that his role how he knew with certainty Joebob is scum (an addition to what feels like a half dozen other powers, which can't be revealed until DP3). His only defense of that is claiming that calling him out on his word is "grasping at straws."
I suspect he'll backtrack and blame eating paint chips as a child or something.
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@ILikePie5
You willingly chose to target Whiteflame over someone you knew had a power role
Let's see that dashboard from the end of DP1... Who exactly was guaranteed to move?
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR
Knowing WF used a cop has nothing to do with you choosing to visit him to use your roleblocker.
Joining Pie in claiming functional illiteracy? I've been crystal clear for quite awhile that I used my motion detector on whiteflame, not the role blocking second half of the power. Hence I got the result that whiteflame did not move, and subsequently you were not roleblocked. With how you're acting, I wouldn't be surprised if you're now going to change your story to having been roleblocked by me.
So your character is the same as your role? Cause your character is Pin. And now you’re saying that it’s “The Pin.” That is very very weird.
I'm saying how the PM described it. Whereas you and Lunatic are claiming that you are privately mod confirmed RB/messenger/day cop who is right that Joebob was actually scum in spite what he looks like in the graveyard etc... I can't keep track of how many traits you two have added to your role. It's insane.
Again, your role apparently told you with certainty that Joebob was guilty in DP1... and he flipped innocent, but we're just supposed to forget?
So why would you not clarify this when you full claimed?
As stated literally on the first post of this page: "Me not saying motion detector right away, is because the mod did not call my role a motion detector. He called it "The Pin!" and went on to describe the two tiered function of it."
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@Moozer325
Vader, if you use your power on whiteflame, you can confirm that I used my role on him (well at least that someone used the pin on him).Were I scum, I'd have used the first half of my power on the other scum while they carried out the NK to guarantee the RB triggered.Moozer, if you use your power on Vader, you guarantee his survival to out the aforementioned information.
Vader claims to be able to see what abilities were used on someone. Since I targeted whiteflame last night, my power should be there proving that I'm telling the truth about my role (which doesn't guarantee I'm town, but strongly implies it since why would scum risk losing the RB to see if someone did or did not move?).
Extra benefit here is that it double verifies Earth and whiteflame, for the chess engine having been used on whiteflame.
Whereas you can protect Vader, preventing said information from being lost (which scum would be likely to do were he unprotected and about to town confirm people).
This is not without some risk, as it depends on Vader being town. But if he's town, and knows he can confirm me, it's a little weird that his vote is on me.
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR__________ _NP1 NP2
2. Pie "confirmable" ??? ???
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@ILikePie5
Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
I literally just responded to said line of logic. It's like two posts up from here.
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@Moozer325
Barney, pie made some good points, so I’ll give you a chance to represent yourself here.
First, I've already outlined how you and Vader combined can confirm me. When you can easily prevent a mislynch, you should do so.
As for Pie, a lot of his reasoning depends on me being a mind reader who knew ahead of time that whiteflame would have the cop ability last night (which if scum and I knew he had any investigative power, he would have been high priority for the NK). Even had I the ability to detect roles (quite possible scum used such an ability on me; and yet they still won't directly counter claim since we're not at mislynch and lose yet... mislynching me would put us there), it would not have detected the item he was given, and I would have not known last night to use any non-blockable power on him. ... The truth doesn't align to their narrative, whereas their narrative is questionable at best.
Me not saying motion detector right away, is because the mod did not call my role a motion detector. He called it "The Pin!" and went on to describe the two tiered function of it. I called it a weak investigator to know if someone moved, someone else who knows the game better than me knew what type of weak investigator that is. When tagging you and Vader in a post, I even referred to that Vader would see someone was targeted by the pin, rather than expressly a motion detector. Of course, the desire to kill any investigators is key for scum to win.
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Let's see Pie's explanations to things I pointed out against him
Pie - Basically either Pie is scum, or is really bad (not to say outright horrible) at this game. The truly excessive tunneling, and doubling down any time he got anything from it... The result of actually giving him information isn't shifting his vote to pressure anyone who has given less information, it's a desperate push for a mislynch. While mislynching me is not as easy as pie (pun intended), he's used me being busy DP1 to justify it when that has zero barring on if I am or am not townYoure confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
How would any role explain that behavior?
And of course the communication with Lunatic should speak for itself., to include Lunatic outright telling everyone that Pie was not really tunneling... If nothing else were true, it'd still be true that Pie is obsessively tunnely on me.Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
Again, how would any role explain that behavior? From either of them.
Lunatic says Pie is a RB and "100% town," whereas Pie strongly hints to be an inventor. Too damned much doesn't fit.Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
Ok, here it's possible he's an inventor, messenger, roleblocker, mod confirmed to the target hybrid... Pigs occasionally fly as well.
Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).Youre confused because you don’t know my role and how it works. You can see tomorrow how exactly everything squares but I don’t think you’re going to be alive
If we are to take Pie at his word, some part of his role told him with certainty that Joebob was scum in DP1, before he could do any night actions... So his Man/Bear/Pig role also includes day actions during DP1, but he can't confirm until DP3? And with his role telling him Joebob was scum, which way did Joebob flip?
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I can do the same for Lunatic with his incredibly lazy garbage explanation for my analysis. They're not actually using the worst tactic, with minimal effect that can get newer players to not read analysis by effectively claiming it didn't occur.
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@ILikePie5
Barney just rubs me off the wrong way and has been this entire game.
#phrasing
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@Lunatic
0 defense or explanation for the two town role lockers,
See post #269. Feigning functional illiteracy doesn’t suit you.
Then again, you’re claiming a RBer sent you a message which somehow 100% proves they’re town… In what previous mafia games were you ever that gullible?
Not that RBers even get to send messages (ok possible in this game). Also, Pie slipped in his taunts and soft claimed inventor rather than RB; inconsistency is a huge tell.
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@Vader
@Moozer325
Vader, if you use your power on whiteflame, you can confirm that I used my role on him (well at least that someone used the pin on him).
Were I scum, I'd have used the first half of my power on the other scum while they carried out the NK to guarantee the RB triggered.
Moozer, if you use your power on Vader, you guarantee his survival to out the aforementioned information.
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR__________ _NP1 NP2
2. Pie "confirmable" ??? ???
3. whiteflame "confirmable" "tactic" Copped Earth Inno
7. Vader Even Night Voyeur Black pieces N/A
8. Barney MD/RB The Pin wf/pie (fail)
Reads:
Scum pile:
- Lunatic - Mainly he's one of the best players, and his performance is quite weak this game, to include buddying an attempted mislynch. He even hints that he's a RB to support said mislynch, then changes to mathematician (I honestly started writing this message before catching that post where he full claimed). The claim that Lunatic and Pie communicated their roles via a South Park clip of Randy Marsh getting charity shamed, and a still image of Bernie Sanders, I do not buy. Nor do I buy that Pie roleblocked him, he didn't give this information, also is immune to RB but his power which doesn't visit anyone counts as active for my motion detector...
As a small bonus, DP1 he initiated the wagon which mislynched Joebob. - Pie - Basically either Pie is scum, or is really bad (not to say outright horrible) at this game. The truly excessive tunneling, and doubling down any time he got anything from it... The result of actually giving him information isn't shifting his vote to pressure anyone who has given less information, it's a desperate push for a mislynch. While mislynching me is not as easy as pie (pun intended), he's used me being busy DP1 to justify it when that has zero barring on if I am or am not town.
And of course the communication with Lunatic should speak for itself., to include Lunatic outright telling everyone that Pie was not really tunneling... If nothing else were true, it'd still be true that Pie is obsessively tunnely on me.
Lunatic says Pie is a RB and "100% town," whereas Pie strongly hints to be an inventor. Too damned much doesn't fit.
Regarding Joebob, while Lunatic initiated the wagon, Pie largely lead it, even claiming he was certain Joebob was scum (others seemed to more of accept killing a low utility townie because not lynching is not an option to most).
Lean scum:
- Vader - If he's town, he literally has the power to confirm me, as I've pointed out to him. But he stays on the wagon because "I’m drunk rn later I’ll explain lol" which is 50/50 on how he is when drinking. I would hope he's a careful drunk who'd rather avoid a mislynch and wait until morning before voting (or not) when it is well reasoned.
Lean town:
- Moozer - Quick to out his power, and as a new player should not be first on a chopping block. That said, buddy, the game will likely end DP3, so use your powers even if they're suboptimal choices.
Town:
- whiteflame - While verifying earth was suboptimal, even great players make mistakes. He sees through the spaghetti mess, to the point that if I'm scum he'd then be a likely mislynch.
- Earth - copped innocent. Otherwise he'd be null for saying so little. ... Crackpot theory: he's a godfather
VTL Lunatic
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@Vader
Even Night Voyeur
Cool power
You can of course verify the claims of anyone who admits to having performed night actions. So whiteflame , Earth, or myself.
There are of course other uses as well.
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2. Pie "confirmable" ??? ???
3. whiteflame "confirmable" "tactic" Copped Earth Inno
7. Vader Even Night Voyeur Black pieces N/A
8. Barney MD/RB The Pin wf/pie (fail)
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@Lunatic
But do you find it odd that there would be multiple town roleblocking roles?Very odd isn’t it? That’s why I don’t believe it one bit
Curious, it looks like you only just outed yourself, but Pie already knew... Am I missing something?
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@Earth
Would you mind asking Austin if your power counts as an active action?
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The Pin has the power set described due to one piece blocking another unless moved. It's pretty straight forward, even if not a perfect fit.
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I’m curious why the people who can confirm, could not confirm today? … except for whiteflame of course, since he was using a power loaned to him.
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@ILikePie5
And a cop, with a motion detector, with a tracker.
An inventor is not the same as a cop; most likely it was only a single use of that power. And the tracker was a particularly weak variant.
But you're committed to killing towns investigators...
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@ILikePie5
And who did you target for a roleblock and why?
You actually. You were key to mislynching JoeBob. If you have a complex role like he and I, then I would expect hesitation when he full claimed early something so unexpected by normal game standards.
Even you should realize that killing town is scummy.
And yes, for your confirmation I will target someone else tonight (have to spell that out for everyone else. If you are scum, then NKing me and saying you were RBed would be a nice way to buy time).
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@Earth
As previously stated:
I have a dozen or so notifications notifications from Pie with his BS bullying tactic. When someone else (Lunatic) without being a bastard simply asked, I gave information.It's a policy of not rewarding Pie's lameness.
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@Moozer325
Thank you, but whiteflame caught that Pie has promised to full claim tomorrow with confirmation of his role.
As much as by his own words:
Well if you’re town and you’re not going to full claim, you’re by definition anti-town
I think he's scum, but pretty much the only way a wagon would be successful, is if he's actually town and scum hops on it.
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@whiteflame
Austin messaged you about it already, (presumably) to prevent a mess wherein I accused you of not moving, when that item didn't count as an active move.
This is also why I said quite awhile ago that I'm 95% certain you're town. If I died, you not carrying out the NK could be found.
Also, given the complexity of the role, it's why I was more believing of people yesterday with oddly complex claims.
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@whiteflame
I honestly can’t fathom what calculus would make holding back on the claim the better choice.
You really can't? I have a dozen or so notifications notifications from Pie with his BS bullying tactic. When someone else (Lunatic) without being a bastard simply asked, I gave information.
It's a policy of not rewarding Pie's lameness.
Adding to it, Pie gaslighting claiming he's already done a partial claim... But also not saying when and where... I mean either of us could have missed it, and he could have missed the list not including it... But all three seems unlikely if he's actually provided information.
Further, Pie seems certain as to what my role is from my character claim, which makes the point of pressuring me more moot.
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Anyways I'm a weak investigator roleblocker hybrid.
Each night I select two players, the first of which I get a notification if they target another player (I don't know which player). The second gets roleblocked if the first moved.
NP1 watched whiteflame, who did not move, so my roleblock did not trigger.
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@ILikePie5
You obsessing over one person for information, then when information is given demanding more and more… You’re damned obvious in trying to get a mislynch. Of course, you’re welcome to have your scum buddy out themselves by laying down the hammer.
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@ILikePie5
Well if you’re town and you’re not going to full claim, you’re by definition anti-town
One of the dumbest things I've ever seen written in a mafia game.
Did you full claim in your first post? Nope, therefore "anti-town."
Also, you are not the entire town. If in doubt, try VTLing me again as you keep threatening to do, your vote won't suddenly be worth more. And again, only scum would hammer me, which would out themselves.
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And to be clear, I gave my partial claim at Lunatic's request, not yours. Your fake pressure means very little.
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@ILikePie5
You've given not even a soft claim, and now you're pretending you have an extra vote.
Undue pressure may work on brand new players, but I am not one.
If anyone wishes to hammer a fellow townie while there's nearly 2 days remaining in the day phase, by all means, out yourself as scum. That does town more good than what I can.
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@ILikePie5
I've given you my character claim, as requested, and you have not removed your vote. So I'm now pretty sure you're scum seeking mislynches.
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@Lunatic
I’m the ELO rating system.
That was rather obvious. I can't imagine what powers it has, and I will not inquire.
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@ILikePie5
So far, we've seen tactics (using Stockfish), individual moves (Castling), and pieces (Pawn). Algebraic Notation is more just a descriptor that covers all these things to some degree.I wouldn’t consider those tactics in a chess context. Pawns are not tactics.
You're not even wrong. Pawns are indeed pieces.
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR__________ _NP1
2. Pie ??? ???
3. whiteflame ??? "tactic" Copped Earth Inno
6. Lunatic ??? "a system created for chess" Something
7. Vader ??? ???
8. Barney ??? "tactic"
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