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@Smithereens
They're all similar in context.
3, is saying best is subjective, meaning that it will be the best in some people's minds and not others. It can be used with definitions, but is definitely not the strongest case.
1, is literally saying it can't be the best because it isn't the best at everything.
Both are different.
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@3RU7AL
Naw, you just already lost.
Why? I provided sources that directly contradicted your "facts" (that you made up). Your only case against masks is that they don't work 100% which is basing your argument off an illogical fallacy. You haven't provided any sources whatsoever.
You lose, fine sir.
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@3RU7AL
You told me to provide "mountains of research"?
They aren't headlines, three of them are from Universities.
NOT PROVIDING SOURCES=/= RESEARCH
NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR TOPIC=/= INTELLIGENCE
You can't debate without know stuff about your topic. You haven't provided one source, yet you continue to critique mine. You told me to pick one and yet provide "mountains of research". I am betting if I provided one, you would have
1. Said it was unreliable
2. Said it was only ONE resource.
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@3RU7AL
If the Vietnam war was based on lies, they never would have forced thousands of Americans into foreign battlefields.So, I'm guessing the Vietnam war MUST have been based on GODSHONESTTRUTH??NEWS FLASH: "the government" doesn't give a sh*t about me or you.
I wasn't responding to you.
NEWS FLASH: The government is forced to care about its people, even though it truly doesn't give a sh*t
It's kind've obvious that you are ignoring the post with actual sources, and you are trying to salvage what is left of your demolished case.
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@Smithereens
3, is a semantic kritik for people who don't define it.
2, is analyzing how it is the best for every single criteria the instigator provides
1, is also an argument for people who don't define it.
That is why I suggest people to use 2 or 1, depending on the case. 3 has never won.
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@3RU7AL
Bruh
#85
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@3RU7AL
No, I'm saying you shouldn't be debating if you are too lazy to google search. I already provide what? 9 sources, and you've provided none.
Go mow your own lawn.
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@seldiora
Like SaFalcon said, you are a practicing debater. You use this site to practice debating.
There are four status' to a debater on this site:
Inactive
Practicing
Debating
Keeping (their place of the leaderboard)
You can make the switch from practicing to debating but you'll have to like Intelligence did, make a new account.
You might not notice, but DDO is dead, and DART has the best from DDO. So, yes you have improved.
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@3RU7AL
Once again, it took me one google search to find hundreds of results.
https://www.today.com/health/do-face-masks-work-against-coronavirus-study-finds-masks-social-t183018
It is clear you know almost nothing about the topic at hand. All it takes is a google search to prove you wrong. And I know exactly what you're going to say. You will insult my sources whilst you have given absolutely NONE.
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@Stephen
As do many Doctors and Scientist. But you don't want to hear about that side .
You sourced one. And that source agreed with me. Most medical procedures have very low success rates. If it works, you better use it, no matter how low it is, unless you have a breathing problem you should still use it.
There are barely any downsides to masks when kept clean. I don't know why they're so many conspiracy theorists on this site. No, this isn't a "cynical social experiment". If it doesn't work the government wouldn't want you to wear it.
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@3RU7AL
Please present at least one study that you personally consider authoritative suggesting a statistical reduction in virus transmission specifically attributable to ear-loop style mask utilization.
No, search it up yourself fool. I don't debate with these kinds of people.
We need to pinpoint the statistical reduction in virus transmission.The current data suggests the "reduction" is statistically indistinguishable from zero.The "better-safe-than-sorry" and "common-sense-says-it's-better-than-nothing" is the same "reasoning" used to justify confining thousands of Italian and Japanese Americans to interment camps during WW2 (it maybe-probably prevented at least 1 sabotage attempt so I guess it was "worth-it").
You are literally basing your case off the illogical Nirvana Fallacy. Just because it doesn't work fully doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.
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@3RU7AL
There is no scientific evidence for this claim.The contagion studies conducted with people tending to flu patients showed zero difference in transmission rates between "no mask" and "wore mask most of the time".Also, the hypothetical "asymptomatic transmission" was unable to be replicated in laboratory conditions.
There's plenty of scientific evidence, you just can't be bothered to search it up.
Essentially what 3RU7AL says is that masks don't work 100% so we shouldn't use them. He also says that a 100% lockdown would work, but that's childish thinking considering that we have almost reopened and still have a terrible economy.
Also, if you could respond with one post, that'd be great, thanks!
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@3RU7AL
For example, a virus is small enough to pass into the air in droplets as small as 1 micron (through normal breath, not just a sneeze or a cough).
Yes but viruses are never alone.
however, an ear-loop mask is not AIR-TIGHT and will not stop these airborne particles.Furthermore, even if someone was wearing an AIR-TIGHT mask, when that person touches the mask to remove it, or touches their hair, or touches their clothes, or touches any door or chair or pretty much anything, that person will become contaminated.
I never said it was. Masks prevent COVID-19. A 100% lockdown is not viable, our economy is in ruins and people need to go shopping for essential materials. You are thinking in a three year old brain.
Ironically, if the aim is to divert breath to protect other people, a second argument against wearing face masks designed for PPE becomes relevant. Rather than diverting breath, FFP masks with valves direct the breath out in a specific direction through the valve. As a result, protecting the wearer could come at the expense of those standing in front of the valve. [LINK]
No one in a pandemic will stand directly in front of the valve. This is why there is such thing as social distancing. It seems like you're cherry picking from my source, also what it says:
"When it comes to good design, a well-fitted face covering covers the mouth, nose and chin, with loops around the ear ensuring no gaps on the sides. This is important because although your breath will pass through the cloth, the aim is to slow it down so that it does not spread as far."
It is clear here the point of a mask is not to protect against a disease 100%, but prevent the disease from spreading as fast.
"This is the reason the California Bay Area has banned the wearing of masks with valves in public. The San Francisco fire department has made a video urging double masking to ensure both the wearer and those around them are protected. Others are suggesting covering valves with tape. It is also notable that these masks are almost always worn with a plastic face shield in clinical environments so that both the healthcare worker and the patient are protected."
It is also made clear here only certain types of masks have valves, and these masks are being banned and have alternate protection by the minute.
"Without enforced standards, the effectiveness of face coverings will always be variable. This variability has been the cause for much of the debate over the use of face coverings. Unfortunately, it has taken many months for western nations, in particular, to understand that the reason we must wear face coverings in public is not to protect individuals, but rather to make a small contribution to protecting everyone."
It is made for the protection of the people, barely the wearer.
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@3RU7AL
The recommended N95 masks have an open valve for outbound air, so NO, no, they absolutely do NOT "protect others".
Bruh if you could just google search, that'd be nice.
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@oromagi
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Yo why did oromagi suddenly change his PFP to L from DeathNote (haven't watched it, but did a reverse image lookup)
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@Rational
No, it's all about the scope of the criteria.
2 defines what makes a thing best or worst. If it's about debating, it defines what makes a good or bad debater.
3 just says it can't possibly be best at everything so it is not the best.
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@Rational
2 is defining what makes best or worst and seeing if the subject is truly best or worst
3 is ignoring all criteria and stating it is not the best at everything
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Ex:
Oromagi is the best debater
DebateArt is the best debate website
BearMan is the worst JoJo fan
1. Best or Worst is subjective (aka RM argument)
There are infinite subjects for best and worst.
2. Burden of Proof (aka Bear argument)
PRO has to prove that (subject) is better than every single (subject relation) in every single criteria.
3. Cheap Kritik (aka Croc argument)
(subject) may be the best at (subject best at) but is it the best at every single thing? Is it the best at endorsing suicide?
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@ILikePie5
I was playing a racing game and kept on crashing this toxic guy onto the side
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@Bullish
I don't really think anyone cares about being called names unless its really bad. (n-word and social slurs).
Lunatic's modkill was uncalled for, insulting someone's play is exactly what he did. Calling me a cvnt nugget was sure, inappropriate but both of us dropped it and nobody really cared. The gameplay resumed as normal.
In a small community like this, you have to take in the perspective of both people. You can't take a corporate approach and apply policies onto everyone. This is a small niche community filled with intelligent minds. If all it takes to ruin your life is to insult you, that's pretty sad.
Now I have never hosted a mafia game, but this seems unfair. I've done some bad things in mafia like as Supa pointed out, trying to IP log someone. I didn't even get modkilled by that, because Supa actually took time to understand what happened. He didn't take a corporate approach and label things as good or bad automatically.
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Man the worst someone's ever called me is a :
Side shifter dense ass piece of fuck
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@drafterman
I'm saying if you be overly toxic that someone called you a name you are immature.
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If anything I should've been modkilled cuz I admit I was being excessive lol. I didn't think Lunatic was being obsessive.Also BearMan is the one who conceded a mafia game because his scum buddy got lynched. It's a fair criticism to make
I disagree with the Lunatic modkill. It's perfectly fine to have bouts with other players. Nobody really cares, this isn't a site for three year olds.
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@skittlez09
Essentially what is happening here is that expert mafia SupaDudz is critiquing my play that I didn't even hear skittlez's case. It was already our plan to lynch skittlez and I didn't really care about the justification he was giving as the neighborhood already agreed to do it. This would be the case if any single one of the people were alive. Pie would've done it, oromagi would've done it. I just happened to be the on kept alive.
We didn't need a case for skittlez because we wouldn't believe it anyway. I had a good solid group and they all agree to lynch skittlez. If skittlez wasn't mafia, oh well we've been played. I don't understand why SupaDudz really cares. Mafia wouldn't have had a chance if they didn't get invited into the neighborhood.
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@Vader
--> Him making an attempt to doxx someone to expose their identity
First of all, you don't got a clue at what actually happened. IP logging is not doxxing in any way shape or form.
---> Him conceding games because of a 1hr time extension
The scum team wanted to do it anyway.
---> His inactivity plus lazy lynches
I won, and they weren't lazy lynches.
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@Vader
This isn't court lol, we can lynch whoever we want without reason
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Him coming out to counterclaim Warren screams town to meCause scum wouldn’t do that especially if it’s a 1 for 1 scenarioSkitlez - Intel said he visited Skitlez NP to mimic him. That could be his target for setting a role/affiliation for the night. Ideally I’d use that role to make a teammate appear innocent to investigative rolesSpeed - Could be the mastermind of this entire thing but the math doesn’t work for him. After tonight it will be 4-1 meaning we can afford a mislynch before LYLO.(edited)All in all, I would advise lynching Skitlez first and then Speed
Hope Pie doesn't mind me putting this out. We already thought you guys were scum.
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@Vader
Dude you guys lost. No need for salt lol.
Skittlez was probably mafia anyway cuz like speed said if he was town he would've roleblocked chris.
We already had a plan to lynch speed and skittles because Chris had towny behavior and wouldn't have counterclaimed warren.
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Your a shit player BearMan. It was obvious that you were the deciding factor going into this game and you put a fucking early vote versus actually listening to both arguments. Hope you live with the fact that you took a winnable scenario and blew it
Bruh I thought you were scum
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@Rational
It seems we agree. I'll let em have their theories.
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@skittlez09
NVM
Why does this keep on happening
VTL Speed
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There is probably one mafia left. We have to develop tonight's tactics.
1. Speedrace - Claimed Enabler and 1x BP
2. skittlez09 - Lean Roleblocker
3. BearMan - Confirmed Neighborizer
4. ILikePie5- Confirmed Motivator
5. MisterChris- Claimed Vanilla
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@Speedrace
Pie is not scum. Chris is lean town. Reasons?
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@sadolite
Mask manufacturers. You always say that and never provide a single link. Why the hell would a mask manufacturer question the ability of its own product?
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