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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, The Debate Runaway, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT,
Why are you throwing in the Nicene Creed that contradicts the Trinity Doctrine?! The Creed states with specificity that Jesus is ONLY THE SON of our serial killer Hebrew God Yahweh! "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father," like the following passage agrees with when Jesus stated: “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46). Get it? Obviously Jesus isn't talking to Himself as the Hebrew God Yahweh in the this passage, so therefore the Nicene Creed and the Matthew 27:46 shows Jesus to be only the Son of Yahweh!
This now turns our understanding of Jesus being Yahweh God upside down! Another passage precluding that Jesus is only the Son of Yahweh: “The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.” (John 5:19) In this passage Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by Yahweh the Father. He is expressing obedience to Yahweh the Father. If Jesus was Yahweh the Father, he wouldn’t be stating this verse in the first place to Himself!
Yet in another passage showing Jesus is ONLY the Son of our Hebrew God Yahweh: “By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.” (John 5:30) Jesus says, "by myself", I can do nothing. This blatantly indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship separately with Yahweh where He is not trying to “please himself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent Him” which is the separate Father! Therefore, Jesus is not Yahweh the Father in this passage!!!!
Now, as if the above passages aren't damaging enough in showing Jesus is NOT God, then we have this one to add: “The Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28) This is another strong statement by Jesus showing that makes a distinction between Himself and Yahweh God, whereas Jesus is now NOT Yahweh in a Triune Doctrine in this passage, but only the son!
Again, how can Jesus be God when He states this: “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only. “ (Matthew 24:36) Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows, of which if Jesus was the Father God of the Trinity, he would already know!
There is always someone that ruins the party, and in this case, YOU TRADESECRET ruin our faith in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate by bringing forth the Nicene Creed! The hard part now is the fact that if you still want to believe Jesus is our God, then these passages herein CONTRADICT this alleged fact, therefore, how can we base our Christian faith upon CONTRADICTIONS?! Remember this adage? Where there are contradictions, there're falsehoods, where there're falsehoods, there are LIES!
THANKS ALOT IN NOW SHOWING THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD, NOR A PART OF ANY TRIUNE DOCTRINE! FU#*$&#G S+$T!
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
YOUR REVEALING AND TRUTHFUL QUOTE: "So Jesus here is not a god according to Timothy, but simply a messenger/mediator. But no doubt Tradesecret will now attempt to rewrite the scripture, redefine words and put words into the mouth of Timothy."
As we have unfortunately seen, the Bible passages shown below are relative to the complete Bible ignorant pseudo-christian Tradesecret. Sad indeed. :(
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." (2 Timothy 4:3)
"To whom shall I speak and give warning, that they may hear? Behold, their ears are uncircumcised, they cannot listen; behold, the word of the Lordis to them an object of scorn; they take no pleasure in it." (Jeremiah 6:10)
" For they are a rebellious people, lying children, children unwilling to hear the instruction of the Lord; (Isaiah 30:9)
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, The Debate Runaway, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, and a Runaway from my posts to him,
TRADESECRETS LATEST POST TO RUN AWAY FROM DEBATING ME ABOUT JESUS' TRUE MODUS OPERANDI WITHIN THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE: "It is pointless trying to engage with you. So unless you are prepared to respond - say to that post on the Catholic church - dont bother. "
First thing, you act like you are the only pseudo-christian that I make the Biblical fool! I have other forums that I attend for Jesus as well, understand? Secondly, I have posted to your outright ignorance in the my Catholic thread.
Now, your latest RUNAWAY excuse to not debate me relative to the topic at hand, was embarrassing once again, just like your other excuses. Listen, you obviously have run out of "Big Boy Pants," therefore, if you don't have the money to purchase them, I can send you money to do so, okay? How many EXCUSES can you come up with at your laughable expense within this forum and in front of the membership???! LOL
++++ TRADESECRET, WHAT DIVISION OF CHRISTIANITY DO YOU FOLLOW? BAPTIST, CATHOLIC, JEHOVAH WITNESS, OR?! I'LL AWAIT YOUR ANSWER, THANKS. ++++
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, The Debate Runaway, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, and a Runaway from my posts to him,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "Let me write very slowly for you. I don't want to go to fast just in case you miss what I am saying. Jesus is God. God is a Trinity. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Yet Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are together the Trinity not any one of them individually. Jesus is also fully man. Yet the Father, who is God is not man. And the Spirit who is God is not man. "in the whole" conveys the OT God as the Triune God."
Barring the fact that you cannot "write it slowly" upon a printed page on this forum, which only shows more of your outright ignorance!
So, what you are saying relative to the Trinity Doctrine is simply, there are three divine persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Yet these three divine persons are distinct from one another: the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. However, there is exactly one God (1 Timothy 2:5), therefore Christ is His own Father and His own Son. The Holy Ghost is neither Father nor Son, but both in spirit. The Son was begotten by the Father, but existed before He was begotten. Christ is just as old as his Father, and the Father is just as young as his Son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but He is of the same age as the other two!
To further the Godly Triune premise in your way of thinking, then the Father is Almighty, the Son is Almighty, and the Holy Ghost is Almighty, but yet there are not three Almighty's but one Almighty. It is plainly seen that we have three Almighty's, and at the same time, one Almighty. You inform us that obviously the three persons in the Trinity are co-eternal together and coequal. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Ghost is eternal, and yet there are not three eternally, but one eternal. The plain English is, that the three entities in the Trinity are three eternally, and individually considered, and yet they are not three eternally, but one eternal!
Therefore, am I correct to your way of thinking above in describing the Triune Doctrine as explicitly shown and in the name of Jesus?
Awaiting a cogent reply, thanks.
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, The Debate Runaway, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, and a Runaway from my posts to him,
Addressing your Bible ignorance from your post #17 continued:
ONE OF YOUR MOST BIBLE IGNORANT AND HISTORICAL IGNORANT QUOTES: "Women do go to heaven. What nonsense to suggest the bible says otherwise. The bible has never made women second class citizens - it in fact was at the forefront of women's rights - as it was at the front of slave's rights. Any one who takes time to read history knows these things to be true. Brother DT you embarrass yourself."
ROFLOL!!!! As usual, your Bible knowledge is from a Crackers Jack Box! NO, as Jesus' inspired words so state, women DO NOT go to heaven, and as before, I am tiring of your complete stupidity to Jesus' TRUE words within the scriptures relating to said topic that you are obviously unaware of!
Now, as before in your embarrassing presence within the What is your favorite argument for the existence of God? thread, I can't debate you upon this topic of women not going to heaven because you have set an embarrassing example for yourself by RUNNING AWAY from debating me on Jesus' true Modus Operandi! I have asked you SEVEN TIMES TO DEBATE ME UPON THIS TOPIC, whereas the only thing that you can do in a scared and quivering way, is to run away from said debate in front of the membership to this day! LOL!!!!
TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF DEBATEART, SIT DOWN, WHERE THE EVER SO BIBLE INEPT TRADESECRET HAS REALLY SHOWN HIS COMPLETE BIBLE STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE IN HIS FOLLOWING STATEMENT, READY?!
TRADESECRET QUOTE IN HIS POST #17: (Bible) it in fact was at the forefront of women's rights - as it was at the front of slave's rights."
Barring the fact that the JUDEO-Christian Bible was NOT at the forefront of woman's rights as shown throughout history, that Tradesecret is unaware of, he has given us another biblical "comedy routine" in his post #17 where he had the audacity to state that the JUDEO-Christian Bible was at the forefront of American slaves rights?! Tradesecret, STOP IT, QUIT MAKING US LAUGH AT YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE AGAIN! LOL!
Tradesecret, now try and keep a straight face, tell the membership if the inspired words of Jesus' passages below were at the assumed forefront of any slaves rights throughout the world! Ready? Go!
"Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.” (Colossians 3:22)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free." (Ephesians 6:5-8)
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust." (1 Peter 2:18)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior." (Titus 2:9-10)
“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master." (Matthew 10:24)
“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master." (Matthew 10:24)
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JESUS’ PARABLE, STATED BY JESUS, AND ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS, IN THE FACT THAT HE CONDONED SLAVERY!: ”And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful. And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. " (Luke 12:43-47)
Within Jesus' parable above, it is stated by Him and attributed to Him where He states that you can own slaves and beat them if need be! Way to go the ever loving and forgiving Jesus, praise! Notwithstanding, how can Jesus even utter the words of beating slaves in the first place? Does any pseudo-christian want to argue that the true words of Jesus in this parable is wrong, in essentially calling Him a LIAR?! Anyone? Tradesecret, wanna try knowing that I will Bible Slap you Silly®️ with other biblical axioms that are unknown to you just like before?
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Tradesecrert, another heads up, to save us from further embarrassment, I left out the despicable and horrific Old Testament passages relative to Jesus' inspired words relative to slavery, where you can murder slaves, beat them with stripes, and to treat them in other disgusting ways, just like the Confederate South did in the United States in the name of Jesus, praise!
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, The Debate Runaway, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, and a Runaway from my posts to him,
In addressing your wanting post #17, you know what? Your misguided notion of using the term "children" in Matthew 15: 1-4, instead of what Jesus truly said when He used the term "ANYONE" that cursed their parents should be murdered, rubbed off on me where I should have stated in the woman's biblical behalf and used the term "2nd class citizen!" Do you see how your biblical ignorance can rub off on others? LOL!
Therefore, I'll make this quick to save you any further embarrassment. In January of 2020, Pope Francis named the FIRST, and I repeat, the FIRST woman to a managerial position in the Vaticans most important office, the Secretariat of State! I ask you, where were woman in the Hell bound Catholic church BEFORE the Pope enacted this position? NOWHERE as the embarrassing thread below so states:
Jesus, as our Triune serial killer Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate, from the beginning made it known that since Eve transgressed FIRST in eating the forbidden fruit in the Creation narrative, then Jesus cursed her by the following biblical axiom: JESUS SAID TO THE FIRST WOMAN EVE: “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” (Genesis 3:12).
Since Jesus stated that Adam, as the superior man, was to rule over Eve, then she became a 2nd class citizen and the rest is history!
THE INSPIRED WORDS OF JESUS SHOWN BELOW MAKE THE WOMAN A 2ND CLASS CITIZEN AS SHE SHOULD BE, PRAISE OUR MISOGYNIST JESUS THE CHRIST!
SECOND CLASS CITIZEN DEFINITION: someone who is not given the same rights as other people. Well, this definition certainly describes the women in Jesus' JUDEO-Christian Bible to the letter, praise!
“Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
“In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.” (1 Peter 3:1-2)
“In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.” (1 Peter 3:1-2)
“Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.” (Colossians 3:18)
“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.” (1 Timothy 2:11-15)
Your comical quote to the passage above was "The second verse relates specifically to a service in a synagogue. The silence is not absolute either - for woman are commanded to sing - obviously not silent - and to pray - again - obviously not silent." All of these entities that you have given are showing women to be 2nd class, HELLO? Singing and praying ARE NOT teaching man, get it? Huh? :(
“Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.” (1 Peter 3:7)
“I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)
"But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deut. 22:20-21)
“It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife.” (Proverbs 21:9)
“A continual dripping on a rainy day and a quarrelsome wife are alike;” (Proverbs 27:15)
“It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman.” (Proverbs 21:19)
“It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife.” (Proverbs 25:24)
“A quarrelsome wife is as annoying as constant dripping on a rainy day. Stopping her complaints is like trying to stop the wind or trying to hold something with greased hands.” (Proverbs 27:15-16)
I don't have time to enlighten you on the Woman's Suffrage Movement, where they were not allowed to smoke, vote, or hold jobs that men had all in the name of Jesus' Bible. You will have to learn that yourself for a change.
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, Debate Runaway and Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, and that cannot answer my posts 244 and 248, other than to run away from them,
YOUR QUOTE AFTER BEING SCHOOLED AGAIN BY THE BROTHER D: “Don’t pull my quote out of context.”
Your quote in question: “Nevertheless, because God is Trinity - whom I see in the whole as the God presented in the OT, it is incorrect to simply try and identify Jesus as the same. Jesus is God - but Jesus is not the Trinity.”
“In your quote above is what you exactly stated word for word, of which I broke it down as shown in my response, period. Now, if you have changed your mind because subsequent to REREADING your Satanic word-salad mumbo-jumbo, you got embarrassed, as you should be, then tell us what you thought you meant. Or, if you want to change your quote in any way, tell us what you now want it to mean! LOL!
MOST IMPORTANTLY; HOW CAN ANY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE YOU STATE IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER THAT JESUS IS NOT THE TRINITY AS YOU STATED IN YOUR QUOTE IN NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTEXT OF THE SENTENCE REFERS TOO???! HOW?! TELL US! WE’RE WAITING!
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Upon the Trinity Doctrine and to correct you once again, the three entities that make up the Triune Doctrine are two persons, and a spirit. You keep stating that the Triune is 3 persons, where a “spirit” cannot be a human person! Get it Bible fool?
Your Bible ignorant quote once again: “There is only one God, the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - 1 God - three persons.”
YOUR REVEALING WIMPY QUOTE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMPLETE BIBLE IGNORANCE, THEREFORE YOU WANT ME TO STAY AWAY FROM IT! LOL! : “It was not directed to you. And as such I don't need a response from you.”
As usual, you’re wrong again in that your biblical ignorance and stupidity is given to everyone to read within this forum, and especially Jesus the Christ sees it as well (Hebrews 4:13). Therefore, it has to be addressed in the name of Jesus no matter if it is addressed to anyone specifically or not, get it Bible fool?
Jesus’ inspired words states with specificity that a TRUE Christian like myself is to defend the faith, and when I see you continually step in the proverbial poo again, and again, and again, and again, in the name of Satan relative to Jesus’ inspired LITERAL words, I have to call you out relative to your outright Devil Speak, understood? Jesus expects nothing less.
YOUR EVER SO COMICAL AND REVEALING QUOTE: “I don't have to put up with your abuse. So why don't you go and do something else.”
Oh, boo hoo, whimper, whimper, sniff sniff, poor little Tradesecret is crying in front of the membership because he has been easily shown to be the #1 Bible ignorant pseudo-christian on DEBATEART, and he doesn’t like to be shown this blatant fact! :(.... Brother D. hands Tradesecret a Kleenex, *sniff sniff.*
I am instructed by none other than Jesus’ inspired words to defend the faith against totally Bible inept pseudo-christians like you. Therefore, who am I to state that Jesus is wrong in this respect? Can I help it if you continue to spew forth your Devil Speak that needs to be addressed in the Name of Jesus? NO! You are the one doing this ungodly action, and therefore you have to accept the consequences!
Jesus' rules that I have to follow when defending the faith at your continued expense:
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
YOUR QUOTE, WHERE IF FOLLOWED, WILL ONLY PILE MORE PROVERBIAL EGG UPON YOUR FACE: “If you want me to address you - go and find the Catholic topic you put up and respond to my post which I wrote 7 days ago and which you are constantly avoiding and running away from.
Barring the FACT that you can’t address me biblically, and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath because of your Satanic biblical ignorance and stupidity, do you really want me to show you to be the continued religionist fool in my Catholic thread a well? I was giving you some time to heal within this thread before I easily blotted you out in the Catholic thread!
Tradesecret, as embarrassingly and blatantly seen in your sophomoric post #250, which is an overwhelmingly terse little boy response, you no more can address my post #244 and #248 anymore than you can get out of being sent to the sulfur lakes of Hell upon your earthly demise because of committing the Unpardonable Sin. You did this by calling Jesus' spirit a LIAR to His direct and literal words in John 10:34-36! Remember? You actually had the audacity to say that what Jesus DIRECTLY and LITERALLY stated in said passage, was not what He stated! This is one of your most comical and ungodly responses that you have ever made! LOL!
Therefore your performance within this thread is so embarrassing, not only to you, but I am sure the membership as well that is watching you RUNAWAY from debating me on the TRUE modus operandi of the Bible Jesus, the running away from my posts numbers 244 and 248 directed to your biblical ignorance and Bible rewrites, and you blatantly committing, without question, the Unpardonable Sin!
RUN TRADESECRET, KEEP RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT YOU ARE GOOD AT! LOL!
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
As embarrassingly shown by us, even though you are a Hell bound Atheist, Tradesecret is on borrowed time here on DEBATEART because we are literally and embarrassingly making him the number 1 Bible ignorant pseudo-christian fool in front of the membership! As we know, the runaway ethang5 will be sad that Tradesecret takes over his current position of being #1. LOLl
A little bit of history, I have tried many times in the past in wanting to know what DIVISION of Christianity he has taken into the fold, but to no avail with an answer from him. He obviously is way too embarrassed to tell the membership of which one he "practices," therefore maybe he will tell you in which one? I know you know that this is important when you know what Division of Christianity that he follows, therefore in which "version" of the Christian God he accepts before one can deduce this God's MO to his faith. I am preaching to the choir with you, but remember a case in point, where the Satanic Jehovah God of the Hell bound Jehovah Witness faith, REWROTE the true King James Bible into the Satanic NWT bible which takes away Jesus divinity! Total BLASPHEME!
Barring the FACT that Tradesecret is to SCARED to debate me upon Jesus' TRUE modus operandi that I have explicitly shown, and has come up with every lame child-like excuse known to weak pseudo-christians to not too, we will continue to easily Bible Slap him Silly®️ at his continued expense.
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, DEBATE RUNAWAY, AND BIBLE DENIER OF JESUS BEING THE TRINITY GOD IN THE OT,
YOUR SCHIZOPHRENIC BIBLE QUOTE ABOUT JESUS’ IDENTITY IN YOUR POST #247: “Nevertheless, because God is Trinity - whom I see in the whole as the God presented in the OT, it is incorrect to simply try and identify Jesus as the same. Jesus is God - but Jesus is not the Trinity.”
Huh? Your mish-mash Satanic quote above in that the God presented in the OT has the Triune Doctrine, BUT, you ignorantly state that this God is not Jesus! WTF? Since there is only one God (1 Timothy 2:5), then the God that you mentioned in the OT that you say is not Jesus, has to be Jesus in His overall Triune way! THINK, whether Jesus is mentioned in the Old or New Testaments, He always has is true Trinity Doctrine. DUH! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your BLATANT BIBLE IGNORANCE AND LIES are unsurpassed by any pseudo-christian on DEBATEART, bar none!
I will prove that your proposition is wrong regarding Jesus NOT being the serial killer HEBREW Triune God named Yahweh in the Old Testament, even though Yahweh in the OT before the New Testament was not in a Triune state that you deceivingly propose, as the Hebrews so state, remember? LOL. For the sake of discussion, only subsequent to the Christians stealing Yahweh for their own God did He received His new identity of a Trinity.
Therefore, tell the membership in where you get the authority to piss on the passages below stating that Jesus, is in fact mentioned in the OT, and is the God of the Old Testament as well, where you say Jesus is not. Are you calling Jesus and the prophets LIARS as you have done before with Jesus alone? Get it Bible fool?
1. Jesus said He spoke to Moses and the OT prophets: “And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.” (Luke 24, 25-27)
2. Jesus said Moses spoke of Him in the Old Testament: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you would have believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” (John 5: 45-47)
3. Jude, the brother of James, ties Jesus to the Old Testament in saying: “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)
4. Moses in the Old Testament was motivated by Jesus: "He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward." (Hebrews 11:26)
5. Jesus ties Himself to the Old Testament again: “Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (John 8: 56-58). The “I Am” that Jesus speaks of, gives a sense of the enigmatic, transcendent and eternal nature of God (Revelation 1:8). The “I Am” in whom Abraham rejoiced in the Old Testament was in fact Jesus as John 8: 56-58 so states.
Tradesecret, seriously, maybe you would be more comfortable in a Childrens Christian Forum, where their complete Bible ignorance is equal to yours, therefore you can all masturbate your feeble Bible ignorant minds together! To save you the needed time in joining a "Kids" Religion forum post haste to save further embarrassment, I have given a few links shown below for this purpose. You can thank me later, okay?
******** Tradesecret, psst, can't find anyone to help you to even "try" to address my post #243 where it was explicitly shown that you did incite violence in agreeing with Jesus regarding Him saying that "ANYONE" that curses their parents should be put to death, when you concluded; "Then they should be put to death," in the name of Jesus? You will NEVER live this quote of yours down while on DEBATEART! *********
Your days are numbered in more ways than one. :(
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YOUR MORE THAN BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "As for the Old Covenant and covenant people Jesus came to in the 1st-century, those people no longer live in covenant relationship, and the Old Covenant is obsolete, no longer applicable to the Christian."
Listen up you minion of Satan, where did I mention the Old Testament in my post #242 where Jesus CONDONES the murdering of ANYONE that curses their parents, whether the foundation of Jesus stating this biblical axiom is in Matthew 15: 1-4 which is the New Testament, or the Old Testament that He refers too does not matter! Like your equally Bible dumbfounded Tradesecret, are you now calling Jesus a LIAR in Matthew 15:1-4?!
Your complete Bible ignorance has no bounds! What part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount don't you understand relative to the Old Testament writings are to be followed now and forever as stated by none other than, Jesus???!
Jesus H. Christ, it is to bad that DEBATEART can't give an impromptu live test relative to the Bible before one can become a member, which would quickly eliminate the PGA2.0's, and most importantly, the equally dumbfounded of the Bible, the Tradesecrets from being able to join! LOL
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, DEBATE RUNAWAY,
Addressing your normal inept MO regarding the Bible, here are a few more of your outright embarrassing propositions:
YOUR INSIPID QUOTE, LOL!: “I note the following for those watching. Jesus used the term children here not in the sense of minors but of adults. He was addressing adults, those who had money. Minors did not have money in those particular days (or very little anyway) and minors could not be pharisees. These are the facts and the facts are not in dispute and no one includng the brother has countered this fact. “
YOUR INSIPID QUOTE, LOL!: “I note the following for those watching. Jesus used the term children here not in the sense of minors but of adults. He was addressing adults, those who had money. Minors did not have money in those particular days (or very little anyway) and minors could not be pharisees. These are the facts and the facts are not in dispute and no one includng the brother has countered this fact. “
!!!ROFLOL!!! Your turnaround was revealing, again, you left out your comical and embarrassing post #218 where you are now HYPOCRITICAL to your first position regarding children as children in the true sense of the term, and where you tried so hard in continuing to use the term “children” now as adults by bending over backwards to defend your Satanic position. Priceless TURNAROUND claims at your embarrassing expense once again. LOL!
YOUR WANTING QUOTE: “Oh by the way, why have you run away from my response to you in your Catholic forum topic? Is it because once more you have revealed yourself to be ignorant and clumsy?”
I have always thought that when I easily make a pseudo-christian like you the fool that they are, and it is in an intense thread, I leave it to one thread at a time so you can heal more quickly, okay? Don’t worry, I will show you how wrong you were ONCE AGAIN upon that topic as well. Be prepared when I do it this time, okay?
YOUR QUOTE THAT DOES NOT AGREE WITH LOGIC 101 AND JESUS' INTENTION: “Nevertheless, I maintain that I did not cite violence against any person, adult or child.”
Your quote in question that relates to ANYONE, instead of your Bible ignorance of using the term “children,” was the following: “And I would think that if people do curse their parents - unless there is a jolly good reason to do so - then they should be put to death.”
YOUR COMICAL PROPOSITION IN NOT CITING VIOLENCE TOWARDS ANY PERSON, ADULT OR CHILD: The topic is ANYONE and within your syntactical sentence structure, it most certainly is citing violence without question in stating, in part, “ THEN THEY SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH!”
1. You are stating that ANYONE that curses their parents are to be put to death in that you AGREE with Jesus in an absolute manner and at any time of an infraction to Matthew 15: 1-4.
2. You are proposing that if you have ANYONE that is your offspring, they too should be put to death if they curse you, period.
3. The syntactical sentence structure of your sentence contains the following words in a "structure" of the complete sentence that supports without question, that you are citing VIOLENCE:
2. You are proposing that if you have ANYONE that is your offspring, they too should be put to death if they curse you, period.
3. The syntactical sentence structure of your sentence contains the following words in a "structure" of the complete sentence that supports without question, that you are citing VIOLENCE:
A. THEN: (adverb) which means at a particular time in the past or in the future.
B. THEY: (pronoun) used to refer to two or more people
C. SHOULD: (modal verb) used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness
D. BE: (prefix) to take place; happen; occur
E. PUT: (transitive verb) to take place; happen; occur:
F. TO: (preposition) toward a point, person, place, or thing, implied or understood.
G. DEATH: (noun) the act of dying, the end of life.
to cause (a person) to experience the endurance or suffering (of)to put to death; to put to the sword
To now address your ignorance of the English Language, along with your Biblical ignorance, then as explicitly shown above regarding your complete sentence, YOU ARE IN FACT PROMOTING VIOLENCE! 2+2=4! Your embarrassing statements will be held to the fire now, and into the future, do you understand?
In closing, have you found your “big boy pants” yet, where even though you are SCARED, you will actually debate me on Jesus' TRUE MO, instead of RUNNING AWAY with your insipid and embarrassing lame EXCUSES? Whats your excuse going to be? Maybe something like this: “The moon has to be in its second phase and the ISS has to be within 5 degrees over your dwelling, and you haven’t eaten Mexican food in the last 32 days, 15 hours, and 12 minutes?
Don't let the chicken feathers pile up too high where you won't be able to see your computer screen
RUN TRADESECRET, RUN! LOL!
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@Tradesecret
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PGA2.0,
YOU AGREEING WITH JESUS AND TRADESECRET RELATIVE TO MATTHEW 15: 1-4 QUOTE IN YOUR POST #212: "I see nothing wrong with TradeSecrets opinion since he is expressing a biblical perspective and how he sees it as should be applied today." YOUR ADDITIONAL QUOTE OF SAME, POST #235: "TradeSecret is not promoting violence. He is stating what he believes the Bible teaches"
Okay, then you as well promote that anyone that curses their parents ARE TO BE PUT TO DEATH today and into the future! Since Tradesecret got a free pass on this issue where moderator Ragnar did not think that he violated the COC rules on promoting criminal activities and threatening or promoting violence against any person or persons in the future, then you shall receive the same pass as well, praise! To jog your memory, Tradesecret stated: “And I would think that if people do curse their parents - unless there is a jolly good reason to do so - then they should be put to death." Hmmmmm. :(
Here is the blatant irony, if YOU murdered your offspring because they cursed you as Jesus says you are able to do (Matthew 15:1-4), then you would be tried and more so than not found guilty of this offense. Why? Because that is the law of man today in the year of 2020 in the USA and other countries. Besides, Jesus' inspired words states that you are to obey mans laws: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God." (Romans 13:1-2).
BUT WAIT! Then we have Peter that states the opposite in the following: " But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29). WHOOPS!
A. We are to obey man's laws in 2020, and Jesus agrees because He instituted said laws through Himself for man.
B. Peter says to obey Jesus' laws rather than man, which include murdering of anyone that curses their parents (Matthew 15:1-4)
NOW WHAT???! WHATS THE LATEST APOLOGETIC AND INSIDIOUS SPIN ON THIS PREDICAMENT OF CONTRADICTION? I need to know the latest spin from you guys, and at the same time, how to look intelligent looking in the aftermath when I use said spin on this topic, so I can continue to promote our perceived ever loving and forgiving Jesus to others, okay? Thanks.
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Moderator Ragnar.
YOUR QUOTE: “Regarding #203 Disagreeing with someone is not against the CoC, nor are accusations against Tolkien for all the things he imagined, nor indeed would someone defending Sauron's foreign policy.”
Tolkien’s imagination and Sauron’s foreign policy DO NOT include possible death to a person like TradeSecret alluded to, big difference. When Tradesecret explicitly states “And I would think that if people do curse their parents - unless there is a jolly good reason to do so - then they should be put to death” then I do not know if he has offspring living at home, and since he “tries” to follow the words of Jesus, these “offspring” might have been in danger. Error on the side of caution? Yes.
YOUR QUOTE: “Nor even applying their opinion of context to a mythological figures statements, as related to them having referenced old religious texts. The presumed threatened people, have all been dead for about 2000 years. To borrow a line from the user reported, and use it toward the user who filed the report: "You are grasping for straws."
The statement of murdering offspring that curse their parents was made by Jesus, are you calling Jesus a myth? The statement by Jesus is to be held at anytime irrelative to a 2000 year time span, in the same vein as spreading the Gospel of Christ is to be followed today and into the future.
YOUR QUOTE: “I'm pretty sure you're trying to be funny, but abuse of the report function was just key to a lengthy ban on someone.”
Me being funny was NOT the purpose of the report, whereas like I stated, error on the side of caution when others of a family may have been in danger. Therefore absolutely NO ABUSE is to be noted.
YOUR QUOTE: “Also if quoting the CoC about someone in future, please trim off extra bits that are not relevant to avoid being confused with accusing the person of all of those things.”
I truly don’t see how the other COC guidelines could possibly be conceived as infractions relative to Tradescret, and this is why the ones that I included that were, were are in bold type, underlined, and with asterisks. Next time I will now follow your request and not include the entire COC guidelines.
When the COC guidelines specifically state the following, to wit: You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, and, You may not engage in or promote criminal activity, don't fall under said guidelines to Tradesecrets following quote: "then they should be put to death" AND THAT TRADESECRET ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG, and to you then there is no infraction, then so be it. :( Okay, we all have different opinions, and that is one reason there are so many different contradicting divisions of Christianity, where every one is correct, except the other divisions that one is not associated with.
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@RoderickSpode
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RoderickSpode,
YOUR ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ QUOTE: "It's just that I don't think there was any Jesus to capitalize the first letter for who woke you up at 3AM.
Maybe it was Watson? Maybe you dreamed you were Sherlock Holmes (in "A Scandal In Freehold") , and while addressing Dr. Watson while talking in your sleep, Watson thought you were addressing it, and responded back. And while leaving your sleep state you interpreted the response as one originating from Jesus?"
You need a new comedy writer. :(
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
It is truly unbelievable in how utterly Bible ignorant Tradesecret, the Debate Runaway, and PGA2.0 actually are! Notice that the other pseudo-christians of this forum learned their lessons earlier, where they dare not to tread within this thread to be easily made the Bible fools that they are as well. Some pseudo-christians learn when to remain silent, but the two aforementioned members do not know this proposition and are now paying the price. LOL
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret, DEBATE RUNAWAY,
YOUR QUOTE #1 RELATIVE TO YOU USING THE TERM “CHILDREN” RELATING TO MATTHEW 15:1-4 (POST #216): “Well on the contrary - my point was entirely directed towards showing that Jesus was not violent and was rather in favour of promoting families - and that children should honor their parents.”
YOUR QUOTE #2 RELATIVE TO YOU USING THE TERM “CHILDREN” RELATING TO MATTHEW 15:1-4 (POST #210): I can only note that it was not my intention to incite violence against parents or children and in fact believed that I was suggesting that the family unit is a good thing which is why Jesus was making such a point.
YOUR QUOTE #3 RELATIVE TO YOU USING THE TERM “CHILDREN” RELATING TO MATTHEW 15:1-4 (POST #216): “My intention was to promote children being nice to their parents and that families are a good thing inherently.”
YOUR QUOTE #4 RELATIVE TO YOU USING THE TERM “CHILDREN” RELATING TO MATTHEW 15:1-4 (POST #216): “The highest end of my point is that children should honor their parents.”
The reason I use the term "offspring" in this situation where Jesus in His serial killing mind condones the murdering of “anyone” that curses their parents, is for the FACT that it covers any age of “offspring” of said parents, get it, BIBLE FOOL?! Therefore, when you erroneously use the term “Children” you further show the membership in how biblically ignorant you truly are relative to Jesus’ actual words in said verses!
Here, let me give you some more Bible Schooling at your embarrassing and laughable expense AGAIN:
"Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat! JESUS REPLIED, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ (Matthew 15: 1-4)
GET IT BIBLE FOOL? Jesus' inspired words in the passage above stated with specificity that ANYONE that curses their father or mother shall be put to death, and where He did NOT use your term “children” that you laughably used! The "Tradition" that Jesus is talking about is the following in the Old Testament: "Anyone who curses his father or mother must surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:17). Jesus does not throw away the OT writings in Matthew 15:1-4 like you pseudo-christians want to do, whereas when you do, you disparage Jesus once again because He does not change His mind (Numbers 23:19), do you understand? Jesus' inspired word uses the term ANYONE and NOT “Children” that you are erroneously proposing! H-E-L-L-O?
In addition, do you want to call MARK a LIAR to like you did with Jesus' LITERAL SPOKEN WORD in committing the Unpardonable Sin? “Honor your father and mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.” (Mark 7:10). Mark DID NOT use the term “children” like you are trying to do which only ads more proverbial egg to your face!
I left out your comical and embarrassing post #218 where you were now HYPOCRITICAL to your first position regarding children as children in the true sense of the term, and where you tried so hard in continuing to use the term “children” now as adults by bending over backwards to defend your Satanic position. Priceless TURNAROUND claims! You can thank me later.
Tradesecret, seriously, you really need a break in making yourself the outright Bible fool on DEBATEART in where you are by far passing ethang5 in this respect, unfortunately you are not able to see this fact. Whereas, it would be a blessing for you and the membership if you were banned for a certain time period, where it would a benefit for all of us!
Your continued Bible ignorance is excused at this time, AGAIN, therefore wipe the proverbial egg from your face relative to the the facts herein. LOL!
Good day.
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@PGA2.0
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PGA2.0,
PGA2.0 SORROWFUL QUOTE: “ I see nothing wrong with TradeSecrets opinion since he is expressing a biblical perspective and how he sees it as should be applied today. Are opinions now taboo?”
Yes, this “biblical perspective” and Tradesecrets OPINION promotes violence and criminal activity towards a person which is against the COC rules, GET IT, MAYBE? 2+2=4. Take your Satanic blinders off!
Yes, this “biblical perspective” and Tradesecrets OPINION promotes violence and criminal activity towards a person which is against the COC rules, GET IT, MAYBE? 2+2=4. Take your Satanic blinders off!
PGA2.O REMOVING ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER QUOTE: “I see the verse TradeSecret references as applicable to the OT economy and old covenant people that Jesus was addressing. We, as Christians, live under a new covenant but the message is still relevant to us in the sense that there is a lesson there for us, we should honour our parents if they are God-fearing that our lives would be long. “
You show yourself to be as ignorant as Tradesecret when it comes to Bible precepts! Jesus stated that you are to follow ALL, and I repeat, ALL of His words, including the Old Testament 613 laws from His time until the end of the earth in His Sermon on the Mount! How utterly and blatantly ignorant do you want to get by promoting that just because it is in the Old Testament, you don’t have to follow the passage in question where parents are to MURDER their offspring if they curse them?
Do you want to remove the Ten Commandments from being displayed around the nation, because they are in the Old Testament area of what you mentioned, Bible fool! YOU ARE PATHETICALLY DUMBFOUNDED REGARDING THE SCRIPTURES!
YOUR CRYING AND WHIMPERING QUOTE, BOO HOO, SNIFF, SNIFF: “But if BroThomas is going to play at that point the finger game then consider BrotherDThomas as fueling the fire with ad homs and insightful words that insult Christians in almost every post he addresses them while poking fun of Someone and something they hold dear.”
+++++. First thing, this is a discussion forum about religion, where this specific thread is relative to Jesus, get it? If you find yourself unable to defend Jesus in certain instances, or for being a serial killer, then leave, it is as simple as that, understood? Besides, Jesus stated the following that we have to take into account, instead of you crying like a little baby in front of the membership, understood Bible fool? “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22 ++++++
YOUR CRYING AND WHIMPERING QUOTE, BOO HOO, SNIFF, SNIFF: “But if BroThomas is going to play at that point the finger game then consider BrotherDThomas as fueling the fire with ad homs and insightful words that insult Christians in almost every post he addresses them while poking fun of Someone and something they hold dear.”
+++++. First thing, this is a discussion forum about religion, where this specific thread is relative to Jesus, get it? If you find yourself unable to defend Jesus in certain instances, or for being a serial killer, then leave, it is as simple as that, understood? Besides, Jesus stated the following that we have to take into account, instead of you crying like a little baby in front of the membership, understood Bible fool? “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22 ++++++
YOUR QUOTE GOING AGAINST THE COC RULES: “I hope you, Ragnar, will not consider barring TradeSecret for this for I will be very disappointed.”
OMG! Why don’t you just tell Ragnar to remove all the rules of the COC and be done with it, where we all have free rein to do whatever we want? Go ahead, tell him! Oh my, when will you get out of your child like "crying state" where you will be disappointed if Ragnar actually follows the COC rules, boo hoo, boo hoo, sniff, sniff, how insipid can you get in front of the membership? LOL!
OMG! Why don’t you just tell Ragnar to remove all the rules of the COC and be done with it, where we all have free rein to do whatever we want? Go ahead, tell him! Oh my, when will you get out of your child like "crying state" where you will be disappointed if Ragnar actually follows the COC rules, boo hoo, boo hoo, sniff, sniff, how insipid can you get in front of the membership? LOL!
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
As if you're not in enough trouble with Jesus in committing the Unpardonable Sin as I have easily shown to your dismay, because you have run away from addressing this biblical axiom, which precludes that you agree, and to save further embarrassment, you remain eerily silent. Then you drastically go against the Code of Ethics here on DEBATEART on literally promoting death to another in your post #203!!! The rules are there for a purpose, and they are to be followed, and if I was running the show, not only would you be banned forever, but police would be knocking upon your door post haste!
YOUR STEPPING IN POO QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: " I do not believe in the unlawful killing of anyone. I note this in response to the complainant whose entire basis on this site is a charade or parody - as the only true Christian because he alone believes that Jesus is a bloodthirsty tyrant."
Your key phrase of "unlawful killing of anyone" is duly noted in the fact that you have stated "that the lawful killing" is okay whenJesus does it because of His Judgment! Nice try on the play of words to hide behind your other intentions! Yes, I am the only TRUE Christian upon this website because I follow ALL of the Bible, and what looks like a parody to you, is in fact what a TRUE Christian acts like at your expense. Therefore, my MO doesn't pertain to Jesus being a bloodthirsty tyrant, of which He most certainly is guilty of nonetheless.
YOUR DREAMING AND WISHFUL THINKING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "Nevertheless, it is understandable that the complainant is aggrieved since his butt was totally kicked. LOL! "
Unfortunately for your perceived notion of kicking my butt, it has not happened in this thread, nor will it ever happen in a true sense because you have 'meekly chickened out' and ran away to my debate challenge to you regarding Jesus' TRUE modus operandi. Which reminds me, you should read my "messages" that I am getting from other members about your weak RUNAWAY status, of which I cannot show them to you BECAUSE THAT IS AGAINST THE COC WHERE I ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE RULES HERE AT DEBATEART, understood?
Tradesecret, as plainly shown, you are who you pretend to be, and that is an assumed intellectual of the Christian faith, but it is never put to the true test with anyone, and especially me because of you being scared and RUNNING away from a debate just like your equally Bible ignorant ethang5 has done ad infinitum. Additionally, you have pissed upon so many biblical passages as it has been shown, that I have lost count!
Again, because of you blatantly calling Jesus a LIAR to His literal word within the scriptures, and therefore guilty of the Unpardonable Sin against Jesus' spirit, please let the membership know when you are starting to smell sulfur, okay? At this point, we will remind you to get things in order in your life and with your family instead of being on DEBATEART making a Bible fool of yourself. Oh, may I suggest that you purchase an asbestos suit regarding your future while upon planet earth, because like a thief in the night, you never know when Jesus has had enough of your demeaning nature towards Him.
Another image of you in addition to the "clucking chicken" that I showed you before, and that is so appropriate that it must hurt:
Good day.
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@n8nrgmi
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n8nrgmi,
Praise your newly founded and godly enlightenment! Trust me, nobody at a TRUE Christian party can ever be upset with you in acting in an assumed inappropriate manner when you strip naked for Jesus! This is because all you have to do is to show the party-goers 1 Samuel 19: 23-24 and what it represents, where you'll be the life of the party while praising Jesus!
True Christianity, you can't beat it, praise!
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@Intelligence_06
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Intelligence_06,
Uh, Christianity is definitely a "cult." therefore I am correct in treating it as such.
CULT: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
Thanks for reminding me, praise!
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@Barney
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Moderator Ragnar,
I need a ruling from you relative to the unfortunate statement that Tradesecret has made shown below, before I take the further time to easily Bible Slap him Silly®️ in relation to his outright biblical ignorance.
TRADESECRETS QUOTE THAT WILL FOREVER TAKE AWAY WHAT CREDENCE HE HAS LEFT WITHIN THIS FORUM: “And I would think that if people do curse their parents - unless there is a jolly good reason to do so - then they should be put to death.”
The post in question where Tradesecret stated the COC infractions:
Moderator Ragnar: Barring Jesus’ direct words in Matthew 15: 1-4, where He condones the offspring that curse their parents are to be put to death, and under the DIRECT Code of Conduct of DEBATEART, is it proper for you to either report the quote that Tradesecret made above in “threatening” the life of another in the future to the proper authorities, or ban him altogether, or for a certain time period? Like Stephen has said in another thread, we have both been banned FOR A LOT LESS than what Tradesecret has just horrifically stated! Since you are known for being outright fair to the membership, then is it time to set another example in using the adage: "what's good for the goose is good for the gander?"
Awaiting your ruling explanation. Thanking you in advance.
COC: Violence and Criminal Behavior
***You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons,*** barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”).
Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited.
You may not promote or encourage suicide or self harm.
***You may not engage in or promote criminal activity.***
You may not engage in or promote the sexual exploitation of minors.
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
YOUR EVER WANTING AND COMICAL QUOTE: "Tell you what, after you address post 194 appropriately and properly, and not with your usual garbage, then perhaps - once I see you know how to debate properly, I will consider debating you. "
In addressing your scared post #201, THE DEBATE WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do in how I address your biblical ignorance in your post #194, and the many others posts where I have addressed your comical conclusions, and then you ran away from them like nobody noticed! The conclusions in which you have posted already within this thread, where you "assume" have cancelled out, in part, Jesus' true modus operandi, are comical, sophomoric, and grade schoolish to say the least. These aforementioned statements will be shown to be embarrassing to you if you are able to put your big boy pants on and engage! I saw your weak type of arguments in High School, priceless!
We can ALL see you're already coming up with excuses in that I am supposed to now "debate properly," "have the proper skills of debate," "follow the rules of a debate," etc., etc., as if these rules needed to be followed in our discussion to date, where I have easily made you the biblical fool and have not followed said rules, and that you've accepted! Whats next? Do I have to be wearing a white T-shirt, blue jeans, and only post to you on odd days of the month, between the times of 3:09 pm and 2:13 am? Maybe you need me to only post to you on Tuesdays, Thursday and Saturday afternoons, and obviously not on Sunday because it is the day of rest? LOL!
You have danced around for so long, and knowing that I am leaving on a trip forthwith, we have lost valuable time in your hiding from the inevitable! "This is because I only have about 3 days or so to show your continued biblical ignorance at your expense, because of a planed trip, okay?"https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3557-what-is-your-favorite-argument-for-the-existence-of-god?page=7&post_number=172
WHAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT EXCUSE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP?!
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN POST #194: "Ok smarty pants, when Jesus walked on this earth in his ministry as a human - how many people did he kill? And don't go back to the OT because that specifically was not when he was walking this earth as a human in his ministry. You only the gospels to play with? "
Okay, barring the fact that Jesus as the HEBREW God Yahweh incarnate had many brutal and horrific murdering sprees within the Old Testament, and that you are to SCARED to discuss with me in a debate, as you have embarrassingly and cowardly shown the entire membership. I will use a few New Testament passages that you requested that have Jesus in a murdering state, where He wants to murder by proxy, threatens to murder, and calls the Pharisees' out for not murdering, in which murders are done in Jesus' name, which has the same outcome as Jesus doing these murders Himself. Okay?
JESUS SAID: “I tell you that everyone who has will be given more; but the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me. After Jesus had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.….” ( Luke 19:26-28)
JESUS SAID: “Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.” (Revelation 2: 22-23)
JESUS SAID: "Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, 'Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (Matthew 15: 1-4)
The above passages, parables or not, were spoken by Jesus, attributed to Jesus, and therefore shows Jesus in a murdering modus operandi. For your runaway state of mind, I have left out further pertinent details that show Jesus in a more embarrassing light to said passages above, but I don't want to over stress what brain cells you have left at this time, especially in showing you to be the BLATANT RUNAWAY to debating me in Jesus' TRUE MO! Isn't it sickening that Jesus still has that "murdering spree" of his creation in the New Testament as well? :(
Tradesecret, seriously, how much embarrassment are you willing to take here on DEBATERART? Here I thought ethang5 relished himself in being biblically embarrassed, but you are starting to take the cake in this respect! Congratulations Tradesecret!
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
Pssst, if you are going to "cherry pick" my posts to you like you have done in your post #194, showing the fact that you continue to be a bible fool, especially in calling Jesus a LIAR, and by creating the Unpardonable Sin, then include the entire post instead, understood?
Here, for your convenience once again, YOU RAN AWAY FROM THE REST OF MY POST #191 that is now shown below making you to never being able to enter Heaven! Sorry. :(
QUOTING ME TO LUDOFL3X: Wasn't it comically entertaining when the biblical fool Tradesecret blatantly called Jesus a LIAR relative to the following Jesus inspired verse where Jesus LITERALLY called His fellow Jews "Gods?"
“Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods, to whom the word of God came and Scripture cannot be set aside, what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (John 10:34-36)
TRADESECRETS RESPONSE TO THE "LITERAL" WORD OF JESUS ABOVE: "Sorry, old chap, Jesus never said that at all." HUH? He most certainly and literally did!
This is LITERALLY equal to when Jesus called His people Gods in the following verse as well: “I said, You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High." (Psalm 82:6)
As if Tradesecrets total biblical ignorance wasn't enough, he unfortunately has now committed the dreadful "Unpardonable Sin" by calling Jesus' spirit of His Triune Doctrine A LIAR. From this time forth, Tradesecret thinking that he has a future in heaven is now moot! No insidious apologetics or spin can save Tradesecret from this fate.
Just think, if Tradesecret lived in the JUDEO-Christian biblical times and called Jesus a LIAR, he would be put to death! “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death." (Leviticus 24:16). But, as explicitly shown by Tradesecret committing the Unpardonable Sin, our Bible ignorant pseudo-christian will be taking an E-ticket ride to the depths of Hell upon his earthly demise. So sad. :(
RUN TRADESECRET, RUN, HURRY, BEFORE OTHERS READ YOUR EMBARRASSING ACTS ABOVE, RUN! LOL
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YOU KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM DEBATING ME RELATIVE TO JESUS’ TRUE MO THAT I KEEP SHOWING AD INFINITUM IN THIS THREAD, WHY? SCARED? AFRAID OF BEING MADE THE BIBLICAL FOOL AGAIN? WHAT GIVES? YOU WANT ME TO PROVE JESUS’ TRUE MO, SO LETS DEBATE IT. DON’T YOU REALIZE YOUR EQUALLY BIBLE IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS ARE WATCHING YOU RUN? HOW TOTALLY EMBARRASSING!Heads up, Don’t even think that the clap trap sophomoric rhetoric that you have given thus far shown above in this thread is even close to explaining away Jesus’ TRUE MO, understood? Your assumed intellect will not allow you to be embarrassed with such ever so wanting childlike refutations. Unbelievable! You're acting like you want to be the #1 Bible ignorant pseudo-christian on DEBATEART, therefore taking away this cherished position from ethang5!Listen, tell you what, to make it somewhat fair for you, when engaging your outright pseudo-christian idiocy upon the topic in question, I will tie my hands behind me, blindfold myself, and type with my feet, okay? In this way you may have a 1 percent out of 100 chance, okay?Just you and me Tradesecret, waiting!
I notice this: you don't have the capacity to even address one of my responses. Hence the total paragraph of ad hom attack. Thanks for conceding.
Tradesecret,
Addressing your weak and meek post #193 that explicitly shows you are so SCARED! LOL
HOW IGNORANT CAN YOU GET?! THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF ME DEBATING YOUR BIBLICAL IGNORANCE IS FOR ME TO SHOW YOU IN HOW WRONG YOU ARE REGARDING JESUS' TRUE MO! H-E-L-L-O, ANYBODY HOME TODAY, NOT! HOW EMBARRASSING CAN YOU GET?
With your "chicken runaway" attitude in the name of Satan, then there is only a few reasons why you RUNAWAY from this debate, and that you have to accept, and they are as follows at your laughable expense:
1. You are literally scared to enter a debate with me on the topic in question, because you know that I will easily "own you outright!"
2. You know that I will further make you more of a biblical fool than ethang5!
3. You sense that I will use the direct words of Jesus to show you to be one of the most biblically ignorant pseudo-christians on DEBATEART!
4. You realize that when I am done with you, it would be hard for you to stay upon DEBATEART because of the embarrassment you will incur!
5. You can't get rid of the "chicken feathers" fast enough around your computer to see the screen! LOL
Do you honestly think that I like owning you here on DEBATEART? NO, I do not! Therefore, if you run away this time, you will explicitly show the membership of your cowardly act to engage a topic that relates to your faith! Furthermore, I will keep these posts within this thread showing your pseudo-christian assumed friends now, and into the future, of your RUNAWAY status, and of which will be so embarrassing for you to even show yourself anymore within DEBATEART, do you understand?
At this time, this link shows your position to my challenge of debating you upon Jesus' TRUE modus operandi:
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ludofl3x,,
Wasn't it comically entertaining when the biblical fool Tradesecret blatantly called Jesus a LIAR relative to the following Jesus inspired verse where Jesus LITERALLY called His fellow Jews "Gods?"
“Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods, to whom the word of God came and Scripture cannot be set aside, what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (John 10:34-36)
TRADESECRETS RESPONSE TO THE "LITERAL" WORD OF JESUS ABOVE: "Sorry, old chap, Jesus never said that at all." HUH? He most certainly and literally did!
This is LITERALLY equal to when Jesus called His people Gods in the following verse as well: “I said, You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High." (Psalm 82:6)
As if Tradesecrets total biblical ignorance wasn't enough, he unfortunately has now committed the dreadful "Unpardonable Sin" by calling Jesus' spirit of His Triune Doctrine A LIAR. From this time forth, Tradesecret thinking that he has a future in heaven is now moot! No insidious apologetics or spin can save Tradesecret from this fate.
Just think, if Tradesecret lived in the JUDEO-Christian biblical times and called Jesus a LIAR, he would be put to death! “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death." (Leviticus 24:16). But, as explicitly shown by Tradesecret committing the Unpardonable Sin, our Bible ignorant pseudo-christian will be taking an E-ticket ride to the depths of Hell upon his earthly demise. So sad. :(
Since Tradesecret is going to Hell upon his demise anyway, then we can set aside another blasphemous quote he made towards Jesus as follows:
TRADESECRET LAUGHABLE QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "God is a spirit. God is invisible."
Uh, tell that to Jesus as the serial killer Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate as He walked the earth within the scriptures and SEEN BY MANY! H-E-L-L-O?
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Tradesecret,
YOU KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM DEBATING ME RELATIVE TO JESUS’ TRUE MO THAT I KEEP SHOWING AD INFINITUM IN THIS THREAD, WHY? SCARED? AFRAID OF BEING MADE THE BIBLICAL FOOL AGAIN? WHAT GIVES? YOU WANT ME TO PROVE JESUS’ TRUE MO, SO LETS DEBATE IT. DON’T YOU REALIZE YOUR EQUALLY BIBLE IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS ARE WATCHING YOU RUN? HOW TOTALLY EMBARRASSING!
YOU KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM DEBATING ME RELATIVE TO JESUS’ TRUE MO THAT I KEEP SHOWING AD INFINITUM IN THIS THREAD, WHY? SCARED? AFRAID OF BEING MADE THE BIBLICAL FOOL AGAIN? WHAT GIVES? YOU WANT ME TO PROVE JESUS’ TRUE MO, SO LETS DEBATE IT. DON’T YOU REALIZE YOUR EQUALLY BIBLE IGNORANT PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS ARE WATCHING YOU RUN? HOW TOTALLY EMBARRASSING!
Heads up, Don’t even think that the clap trap sophomoric rhetoric that you have given thus far shown above in this thread is even close to explaining away Jesus’ TRUE MO, understood? Your assumed intellect will not allow you to be embarrassed with such ever so wanting childlike refutations. Unbelievable! You're acting like you want to be the #1 Bible ignorant pseudo-christian on DEBATEART, therefore taking away this cherished position from ethang5!
Listen, tell you what, to make it somewhat fair for you, when engaging your outright pseudo-christian idiocy upon the topic in question, I will tie my hands behind me, blindfold myself, and type with my feet, okay? In this way you may have a 1 percent out of 100 chance, okay?
Just you and me Tradesecret, waiting!
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@RoderickSpode
RoderickSpode,
YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: "You mean he most likely didn't wake you up at 3AM?"
What part of me wanting Jesus to exist didn't you understand?
Furthermore, to show respect to Jesus, then the least of which you should capitalize his pronoun "He." Understood? Then you wonder why I call you "pseudo-christians." :(
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RoderickSpode,
But, as I have stated before, more than likely Jesus DOES NOT EXIST, but in turn, I need Him to exist like many pseudo-christians like you do, even in a mythical form like many believe in a flat earth, where the covid-19 virus is a hoax, and so on and so forth! As just one example of me wanting Jesus to exist no matter what, is the biblical axiom that His inspired words state that there are no women in heaven, where putting up with these Sisters of Eve while on earth, WAS ENOUGH! Praise Jesus' enlightenment!
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
YOUR CONTINUED RUNAWAY QUOTE ABOUT JESUS’ TRUE MO: “BDT - I have read your mischaracterization of Jesus before. That is your opinion. Good for you. Yet, I don't see a question in it.”
God damn it, Jesus came through once again in prayer that I initiated yesterday, when He woke me up at 3am to tell me that the biblically ignorant Tradesecret was going to use the old tired out ruse of mischaracterization of Him to RUN AWAY once again from His true MO within the scriptures! Way to go Jesus in you being omniscient again, praise!
Tradesecret, you said you read the Bible, but when you take the position that you are doing now, in that I mischaracterized Jesus’s brutal and disgusting modus operandi, you obviously LIED and didn’t read the Bible showing Him to be exactly what I stated below:
"Within the scriptures, Jesus is a blatant serial killer as Yahweh God incarnate, He is greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent. Also, our Jesus was an abortionist which leaves a lot of embarrassment if we picket Family Planning Clinics, do you get our hypocrisy if we do?"
We’ll get to your LYING about reading the Bible shortly, or being totally ignorant of same, stay tuned, okay?
YOUR CONTINUOUS BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “For God to continue to be loving and forgiving does not mean that he cannot also be holy and just - sentencing everyone else who does not trust Jesus into Hell. In other words, the two things are not mutually exclusive. “
JESUS STATED: “But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15) Therefore to you, Jesus can bypass this command even though we are to follow it? Okay, then the least of which, our Jesus then turns into a blatant SERIAL KILLER when murdering His creation in the many ways that He has done within the scriptures. There is absolutely no logical and rational way to explain away this actual MO fact, period!!! :(
As just one example of many of Jesus' relentless murdering sprees within the Bible, as the Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate, then how do we promote Jesus to others knowing that He, within His Great Flood scenario, induced terrible abortions by killing TOTALLY INNOCENT zygotes and fetus’ within the wombs by drowning pregnant mothers? Furthermore, just think of the TOTALLY INNOCENT babies and children above the water drowning a horrible death by hopelessly treading water for hours crying out to their mothers in horror!
While these TOTALLY INNOCENT babies and children were drowning above the ocean, think of their muscles burning due to large amounts of lactic acid production. Once they finally gave up, they went under into the depths of the ocean, and held their little breaths as acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale where there was no air for them to breathe. Where subsequently, they died a horrible and painful death. What is worse for me, is the biblical axiom that Jesus was watching them drown this painful and horrific death (Proverbs 15:3), and this is supposed to be "Loving" to your way of thinking?! Surely you jest!
Now, once again, how do we "morally" promote a true serial killer Jesus subsequent to Him drowning TOTALLY INNOCENT zygotes, fetus’, babies and children within His Great Flood in the 21st century?
TRADESECRET GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF JESUS AGAIN: “I love my wife - and I detest pedophiles.”
You are to forgive pedophiles wholeheartedly and love them as well, and others that you detest, otherwise, are you stating that you know more than Jesus in the following passages? NOT! Your Bible ignorance truly amazes me. LOL
“Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses.” (Proverbs 10:12)
“And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” (Matthew 11:25)
“For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:14-15)
“And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” (Matthew 11:25)
“For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:14-15)
“For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6: 14-15)
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:13). This cherry-picked verse is obviously what the sickening Catholic Pedophile Priests use, because there is no incentive not to bugger innocent and crying children. Get it ?
TRADESECRET GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF JESUS AGAIN: “There is no law or principle that anyone - including God has to be loving towards all things all of the time.”
WTF?! Jesus’ inspired words says you are wrong once again, as usual, whereas Jesus states to love everyone! How dare you to continually slap Jesus in the face!
“Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.” (1 John 4:7-8)
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35)
“Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.” (Romans 13:8)
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.” (John 15:12)
“And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 22:37-39)
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35)
“Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.” (Romans 13:8)
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.” (John 15:12)
“And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 22:37-39)
TRADESECRET GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF JESUS AGAIN: “I also find it interesting that you continue to put human traits onto a divine person.”
Thank you in calling Jesus as God a “person” which helps me prove my point herewith. I am truly sorry to have to always confront your complete Bible ignorance! JESUS STATES THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE HEBREW GODS AS WELL! Therefore, our traits as humans are equal to Jesus being God since we were created in the image of God, shown below, then my divine presence is equal to Jesus’ divine presence, therefore your position is comically moot, as usual. :( LOL
Jesus blatantly said that TRUE Christians like myself are Hebrew Gods as well: “Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods, to whom the word of God came and Scripture cannot be set aside, what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (John 10:34-36)
In simpler terms for you to maybe understand, when Jesus said “if Scripture outright called human beings gods, why are you upset when I merely stated that I am God’s Son in the verse in question?” Do you want to call Jesus a LIAR in this respect that we are Hebrew Gods as well? Huh?
Another direct passage telling the TRUE Christian like myself that we are Gods equal to Jesus: “Then God (Jesus) said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD he created him; male and female he created them.” (Genesis 1:26-27)
“This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, HE MADE THEM IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD” (Genesis 5:1) Therefore we are created in Jesus’ “image and likeness” of being the Hebrew God, PRAISE!
IMAGE: a mental conception held in common by members of a group and symbolic of a basic attitude and orientation.
LIKENESS: the quality or state of being alike or similar especially in appearance.
Furthermore, since Jesus states that we can totally heal others if we ask this in prayer and believe, like He does as God, then we are most certainly Gods as well, praise! Jesus stated: “And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.” (Matthew 21:22)
On a sidetnote to biblical axioms, Jesus isn’t supposed to lie as God, which He does at times anyway, then if we’re created in Jesus’ likeness and image as God, then Jesus has a male penis, AND, he craps as well! 2+2=4. :(
TRADESECRET, QUICK: Try and find your latest prescription of “pseudo-christian spin doctoring pills,” to "TRY" and take the literal word of Jesus away to save yourself from further embarrassment, hurry, do it quickly because we need more laughter at your expense! GO, hurry!
Tradesecret, your Bible ignorance is truly astounding! Are you keeping track of all the Jesus inspired passages that you continue to piss upon? I have lost count!
YOUR CONTINUED RUNAWAY QUOTE FROM JESUS TRUE MO: “Well, what do you know, a question. I reject your first premise, since you have only asserted such things about Jesus, not proved it.”
You should be running out of excuses by now to my premise about Jesus’ true MO within the scriptures. I have blatantly proved, and without question, that our Jesus met all of the requirements shown herein relative to His true modus operandi since I have been on DEBATEART. I am not to be held responsible for your lack of not knowing these drastic things about our Jesus, understood? BUT, there is a way for me to prove these disgusting things about our Jesus, and this is in DEBATE with you!
Therefore, in closing, we’ll debate my main premise that our Jesus was truly a real SOB, the irony of which, when He exists in this manner it is an embarrassment to defend Him morally in the 21st century, and if Jesus didn’t exist, as explicitly shown more so than not in history outside of the Bible, then Christianity is moot. A real Catch-22 to say the least, huh?
I’LL SET UP THE DEBATE QUICKLY! This is because I only have about 3 days or so to show your continued biblical ignorance at your expense, because of a planed trip, okay? Don’t worry, I will make it quick for you. Remember, the membership is watching your decision in where you will continue to either RUNAWAY as usual to the topic in question in the eyes of Jesus (Proverbs 15:3), or actually engage, but, I promise in either way you will be made the continued biblical fool.
READY?!
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Tradesecret,
YOUR WANTING POST: "What is left? "
Well, I can see you're having a hard time with my words towards you, where they are FACT, whereas yours are childlike and truly demeaning. Obviously you don't know the difference, and why am I not surprised?
Another entity that is left is the fact that you are STILL RUNNING AWAY from my factual MO of our Jesus the Christ? Why? Here, let me give it to you once again because of your continued oversight of this topic is now counted at 3 RUNAWAYS, okay? Ready?
Within the scriptures, Jesus is a blatant serial killer as Yahweh God incarnate, He is greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent. Also, our Jesus was an abortionist which leaves a lot of embarrassment if we picket Family Planning Clinics, do you get our hypocrisy if we do?
Since the above MO of our Jesus is biblically true, can we still call Him all loving and forgiving? Yes or no? WAIT, this can be our next topic, where I hope you don't RUNAWAY once again in front of the membership, okay? Remember, not only is the membership watching you now in this request, Jesus is too! (Hebrews 4:13)
Let me know when you are ready, Jesus and I will be waiting.
My prayer to Jesus: Dear Lord, as we've seen before, the totally biblically ignorant Tradesecret continues to run away from your TRUE inspired word relating to your brutal and horrific modus operandi. Therefore, I can only wonder in what lame and childish excuse he will use to runaway once again. Since you are omniscient (1 John 3:20), you know in how Tradesecret will runaway from discussing your despicable MO, therefore, can you tell me how he will perform this cowardly act? Thanking you in advance, praise!
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christopher_best,
YOUR QUESTIONABLE QUOTE: "if you look at the definition of an incel, the criticism is fair game. If he openly advocates for women going straight to hell, I can definitely call him an incel."
Heads up! Your key word "if" is not an absolute, and is contradicting now to your post #8 where it was an absolute, therefore, which is it before you can call me an incel? Huh?
Where did you get this notion in the first place? If it is because of my last quote of: "Whats next, allowing women into heaven that directly goes against the scriptures as well," whereas, I am NOT condoning that women are not going to heaven upon their demise, it is Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, that promotes this biblical axiom within the scriptures! 2+2=4. :(
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
First off, lets bring forth your losing and child-like behavior in your ad hominen attacks upon the Brother D., shall we? These ad hominem attacks shown below are from your posts in our discussion, to wit:
1. "Why don't you pull your pants up and give your mouth a go?"
2. "One wonders whether you have forgotten to take your medication."
3. “Ok - it seems you have forgotten to take your medication. Please be a good boy and go and take it before you come back to the discussion for grownups.”
4. "I suggest you go into the kitchen - get out that little white container with your name on it - and open it up and take those little pills that you have been prescribed by your mental health practitioner."
5. "Perhaps this time - they might even let you out of that little white jacket so you can do it all by yourself. Who knows? Perhaps you could be nice and ask them to undo the white straps."
Your “Little Boy” behavior shown above is just “trying” to undermine my biblical axioms that I have brought forth in your miserable behalf, because you cannot address them, but to only hide from them. Therefore, to take this embarrassing fact away of yours, you bring forth ad hominem attacks to the Brother D to cast doubt to discredit me in taking the limelight off of you running away from Jesus’ TRUE words. I am not surprised that you use this old ruse that is so revealing of your assumed intellect.
1. "Why don't you pull your pants up and give your mouth a go?"
2. "One wonders whether you have forgotten to take your medication."
3. “Ok - it seems you have forgotten to take your medication. Please be a good boy and go and take it before you come back to the discussion for grownups.”
4. "I suggest you go into the kitchen - get out that little white container with your name on it - and open it up and take those little pills that you have been prescribed by your mental health practitioner."
5. "Perhaps this time - they might even let you out of that little white jacket so you can do it all by yourself. Who knows? Perhaps you could be nice and ask them to undo the white straps."
Your “Little Boy” behavior shown above is just “trying” to undermine my biblical axioms that I have brought forth in your miserable behalf, because you cannot address them, but to only hide from them. Therefore, to take this embarrassing fact away of yours, you bring forth ad hominem attacks to the Brother D to cast doubt to discredit me in taking the limelight off of you running away from Jesus’ TRUE words. I am not surprised that you use this old ruse that is so revealing of your assumed intellect.
TRADESECRET; PLEASE, I NEED YOU ON THIS FORUM TO SHOW OTHERS IN WHAT A TRUE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LOOKS AND ACTS LIKE, OKAY? I DO NOT WANT YOU BANNED, THEREFORE REREAD THE ETIQUETTE EXPECTATIONS AND THE COC THAT MODERATOR RAGNAR AND OTHERS HAS SET FORTH RELATIVE TO YOUR AD HOMINEM ATTACKS. YOU CAN THANK ME LATER.
YOUR LAUGHABLE QUOTE: “Oh by the way - it is not your topic - you don't get to dismiss me.”
At times I truly feel sorry for Jesus’ creation like you whose deplorable biblical ignorance is without bounds. Therefore, I try and help them to not continually step in the proverbial poo, like you have done, by giving them a hint to not continue in this vein, therefore I dismiss them so they hopefully get the hint of not returning to the discussion. But, what do you do? Yes, you come back again with another vain attempt to right yourself towards my godly claims that you are no more a TRUE Christian than the equally dumbfounded of the Bible, ethang5. I was dismissing you from our discussion, irrelative to the topic, therefore I would suggest that you take a Reading Comprehension Class posts haste to rectify your ignorance of the English language in the comprehension thereof, understood?
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: “Sometimes it is important to crawl first before you walk.”
Truthfully, you’re not even out of the crib yet to be able to crawl in the first place! Your demeaning character towards Jesus proves this fact continually by not following said passages inspired by Jesus! Laughable once again at your expense, thanks again.
YOUR QUOTE MAKING YOURSELF THE CONTINUED BIBLICAL FOOL: “I am amused that I have even responded to you.”
DUH! I am “amused” that you continue to respond to me as well, especially since I gave you a way out by dismissing you, and this is because of the FACT that I am easily making you the continued biblical fool by you blatantly discarding Jesus’ inspired words. How many passages do I need to pile up for you in showing this fact?
YOUR DOWNFALL QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: “Hence why Paul the apostle and God the Trinity rejects the words that spew out of your mouth”
In a nutshell, here are the words that I have given you that are explicit facts about our Jesus that you continue to run away from and hide. As a TRUE Christian, I have had to accept the following biblical facts about Jesus, because who am I to rewrite the Bible for these facts to be removed?!
Jesus is a blatant serial killer as Yahweh God incarnate, He is greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent.
This is disregarding the FACT that you continue to slap Jesus in the face by not following His inspired word in the passages shown below in my discussion towards your biblical ignorance with an Agnostic:
“And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:15-16)
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19)
“And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.” (Colossians 3:17).
In a nutshell, here are the words that I have given you that are explicit facts about our Jesus that you continue to run away from and hide. As a TRUE Christian, I have had to accept the following biblical facts about Jesus, because who am I to rewrite the Bible for these facts to be removed?!
Jesus is a blatant serial killer as Yahweh God incarnate, He is greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent.
This is disregarding the FACT that you continue to slap Jesus in the face by not following His inspired word in the passages shown below in my discussion towards your biblical ignorance with an Agnostic:
“And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:15-16)
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19)
“And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.” (Colossians 3:17).
Tradesecret, you are so laughably predictable, Jesus and I can't wait for your next post where you will continue to slap Him in the face once again, and where I will easily Bible Slap you Silly®️ in return! LOL!
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
What part of "you are dismissed" didn't you understand? Yet, you come forth to be made the biblical fool once again, priceless!
Tell the membership, WHY are you so embarrassed not to mention Jesus as your God in your weak discussions within this forum? At any time a TRUE Christian like myself is in discussion with a Hell bound coin flipping Agnostic, I always bring forth Jesus and His TRUE words to make them the fools that they are. You, on the other hand, HIDE AND DO NOT MENTION JESUS to the disgraceful Agnostic in any discussion with them, when in fact, the scriptures tell you to do so (Colossians 3:17) Matthew 28:19).
Furthermore, you noticeably forgot to spread the gospel like Jesus says for you to do when in discussion with a non Jewish Christian, therefore, where do you get the authority to bypass this edict as well (Mark 16:15-16, Matthew 28:19)? Please, don't use your same ol' tired embarrassing notion of; "The question DID not call for a responder to argue for the existence of a particular god or to define who that god might be, yada, yada, yada, yada" because that only shows more disrespect towards Jesus and your biblical ignorance!
You have comically run around in circles to NOT mention Jesus as your God of choice when in discussion within this forum, but only to hide from His name, therefore, your demeaning MO towards Christ is certainly duly noted, and you will have to answer upon Judgment Day!
SIDEBAR: Your child like and outright demeaning first sentence towards me is showing that you have to use this inept tactic because you know you are drastically losing this discussion, and the only way you can get out of your biblical ignorance and disarray towards Jesus, is to "try" and demean your adversary to take the lime light off you! What did I expect? LOL!
Now, once again, if you want to be made the continued biblical fool, then respond once again, because Jesus and I haven't even started with you yet, understood? We have a "plethora" of outright biblical passages that you are pissing on, so be our guest, and respond. Or, for you to save yourself from more embarrassment, learn your place within this forum, and just remain silent to Jesus' true word, although it will be at your continued expense, get it? Probably not. :(
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@TheUnderdog
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TheUnderdog,
In addressing your pathetic post #9, first and foremost, this is a religion forum and Christianity is a part of it, therefore, do not embarrass yourself by even mentioning the Hell bound unchristian-like Jehovah Witness Religion, understood? JW’s are minions of Satan with their ungodly, rewritten by Satan Himself, NWT Bible! How dare you disrespect this forum!
There are NO WHAT IFS within Jesus’ inspired words within the scriptures, therefore how dare you come into this forum with your disrespectful demeanor and piss on the JUDEO-Christian bible like you have done? The only religious faiths that I have seen do what you have done, is the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons, and for the sake of me "Bible Slapping you Silly®️"even more, hopefully you are not one of them!
We can see that your Bible ignorance has no bounds with your metaphorical constructs, and make believe, therefore your sophomoric stance does not supersede Jesus’ true words relative to women are not to have authority over man. Do you understand this simple premise, if not, then join a “Children’s Christian Forum” where you will be more at home with your outright biblical ignorance.
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4). KEY WORDS: “every word” which includes passages I have shown where women are 2nd class citizens.
He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” (Luke 11:28). Jesus’ words say to obey all passages, including the ones that explicitly show women to be 2nd class, understood? Huh?
Your biblical ignorance now is duly noted by many of the membership at DEBATEART, and unfortunately, at your embarrassing expense. Sad indeed.
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
YOUR QUOTE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO RUN AWAY FROM IN POST #111: “In other words, for the agnostic to rationally believe that there is nothing that can be known about God is true - he or she must start with a premise that they do know something about God, and that something is that nothing can be known.”
Once again, with specificity, YOU STATED that the Coin Flipping Agnostic thinks that nothing can be known about God, which in your case is Jesus, therefore you were a wimp in not pointing out to the Fence Sitter that there is something to be known about your God, which again is Jesus! Get it? But, what do you do, you run away from spreading the Gospel of Christ to the Agnostic. LOL!
Again, you slap Jesus in the face by not promoting Him to the Hell-bound Agnostic like He has told you to do. Your ever so wanting posts makes you the continued Biblical fool here on DEBATEART by not following the passages below:
“And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:15-16)
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19)
YOU CONTINUE TO SLAP JESUS IN THE FACE QUOTE IN YOUR POST #161: "Such an internally inconsistent philosophical statement is proof - that God exists. I am not saying it is a good one or not. I am not saying it proves who God is or defines what God is. All I said was it proves the existence of God.”
Barring the historicity that outside of the JUDEO-Christian Bible, the existence of Jesus is not worthy, then why are you so afraid, or embarrassed, about not promoting that Jesus is God in said post?! You continually use the title of “a god” and not respectfully use His actual name, which in our case is the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, named Jesus! H-E-L-L-O? Listen up biblical fool, what part of the inspired word of Jesus in the passage below don’t you understand relative to your disrespectful posts?
“And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.” (Colossians 3:17). Do I need to get my neighbor's 5 year old kid to explain the passage above to you? Huh? The comical irony is that you think you are a Christian, when as easily shown, you are not, but only a pseudo-christian at best in name only.
Tradesecret, to save yourself further embarrassment, you are dismissed.
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@Intelligence_06
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Intelligence_06,
Take your pointed aluminum foil hat off for a rational moment, okay? I do not think the Bible is wrong within its content, but only the Hell Bound Pope Francis in going directly against said Bible with promoting the 2nd class woman having authority over man, get it? Huh? Maybe? :(
Your homework tonight is to reread my initial post and understand its true meaning to save yourself further embarrassment. You're welcome.
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@Intelligence_06
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YOUR QUOTE: "So... are you antichrist or christian? Choose one."
I will correct your false duality of choice, I am a TRUE Christian instead that follows ALL of the JUDEO-Christian Bible as intended by the serial killer Jesus the Christ as Yahweh God incarnate.
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@Stephen
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Stephen,
As a TRUE Christian, the only one within DEBATEART, because I follow ALL, and I repeat, ALL of the JUDEO-Christian Bible as intended by Jesus, then when reading the Bible and the historicity outside of the Bible, then there has to be a "First Coming" before there can be a "Second Coming!" Therefore, I have accepted that Jesus did not exist, but still call myself a TRUE Christian in the myth because it is comforting to do so in this current worldly situation.
Jesus existed in the same vein as the god Zeus, which was the king of all gods, because his writings said so, and in the same manner that Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, murdered and drowned innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in His Great Flood because He was upset with them as being ungodly. Unfortunately, Jesus did so as He watched the innocent babies take their last gasp of air as their mothers watched them in horror go down for the last time to a numbing and painful drowning death. (Hebrews 4:13). And, yet we are supposed to preach that Jesus is ever loving and forgiving, whereas this is not totally true as shown.
Nonetheless, the TRUE Christian has to believe in a Jesus even though His presence is 100% embarrassing and totally non-existent outside of the JUDEO-Christian Bible. This is partially apropos because we have spent so much valuable time in believing in the Jesus character, even though our Bible shows Him to be a brutal serial killer! If people can believe in a flat earth, the cover-19 virus is just a hoax, flying saucers, etc., then we can believe in the myth of Jesus as well, praise!
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In the link below, the Catholic Church once again slaps Jesus in the face relative to His inspired words within the scriptures! Whats new? NOTHING!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-appoints-6-women-151610049.html
Within the link above, the Hell bound Pope Francis has placed even more 2nd class women into positions of the church that have leadership over man, therefore, how ungodly can the Pope get? "Pope Francis ... has affirmed that the Catholic Church needs more women in leadership positions. In the Vatican and the Roman Curia, he is gradually preparing the ground," Vatican News said in 2019.”
Obviously Pope Francis has literally forgotten about what our serial killing Jesus stated regarding the 2nd class woman, in that they are to be subject to man, and that if it is good enough for women not to teach man in church, then it is not biblically correct to not teach man away from church, to wit:
“Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
In the link below, the Catholic Church once again slaps Jesus in the face relative to His inspired words within the scriptures! Whats new? NOTHING!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-appoints-6-women-151610049.html
Within the link above, the Hell bound Pope Francis has placed even more 2nd class women into positions of the church that have leadership over man, therefore, how ungodly can the Pope get? "Pope Francis ... has affirmed that the Catholic Church needs more women in leadership positions. In the Vatican and the Roman Curia, he is gradually preparing the ground," Vatican News said in 2019.”
Obviously Pope Francis has literally forgotten about what our serial killing Jesus stated regarding the 2nd class woman, in that they are to be subject to man, and that if it is good enough for women not to teach man in church, then it is not biblically correct to not teach man away from church, to wit:
“Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp the authority over man, but to be in silence.” (Timothy 2:12)
“ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ and that the head of the woman in man.” For the man is not of the women; but the woman of the man.” (1Corinthians 11: 3,8 )
Most importantly, Pope Francis forgot about how he is to feel towards the woman in the first place, and that is adamantly shown in the inspired words of Jesus in the following passage:
“I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)
Jesus H. Christ, as if the Catholic Church wasn’t embarrassed enough over their child-buggering priests of innocent crying children as they were sexually abused, and the BILLIONS of money paid out for reparations towards this despicable and ungodly act, then you have Pope Francis giving 2nd class women positions over man that goes directly against Jesus’ true words! Whats next, allowing women into heaven that directly goes against the scriptures as well?
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@rosends
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Rosends,
YOUR ANTI JEWISH QUOTE: "For the Jew, Sunday is no big thing because the Jewish Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday night. If the job saves lives, the Jew would go."
If you are going to follow ALL of your faith, of which your version of God so dictates, then your statement above is going against your serial killer Yahweh God's words in the passage below.
" Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." (Exodus 35:2)
When was the last time you saw one of your pseudo Jews murder a fellow Jew that worked upon the Sabbath that went directly against Yahweh's inspired words as shown in the passage above? Listen, I don't expect you to even try and answer this question like you've done before many times when I have posed them to you. Just take your normal position amongst the membership and RUNAWAY once again as usual, but at the same time, Yahweh is watching in disgust for not even trying to defend your faith (Job 42:1).
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@Intelligence_06
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Intelligence_06,
A TRUE Christian, which I am the only one upon this website, has to follow ALL, and I repeat, ALL of Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures. Therefore, His inspired words said not to work upon the Sabbath, but to rest instead, otherwise, fellow Jewish Christians are to murder the one that goes against Jesus and works upon the holy Sabbath Day, period. This edict has to be followed to the letter because of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount where He explicitly states that the Old Testament commands are still in effect now, and into the future until the end of time and the earth vanishes. 2+2=4.
" Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." (Exodus 35:2)
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
YOUR GOING NOWHERE QUOTE: “the fact that you continue to run this parody is sad and pathetic.”
What is truly pathetic is the fact that your post #111 went nowhere, where you talked in circles, as usual. Its like you gain pleasure in wordy posts that you have no idea that are embarrassing as shown. You failed to address your biblical ignorance pertaining to you stating that the Hell bound coin flipper Agnostic rationally believes that there is nothing that can be known about God is true, whereas I am assuming you are talking about Jesus and not Zeus, whereas this is blatantly false! All the “fence sitting” Agnostic needs to do is read the JUDEO-Christian Bible, and they will see all about our TRUE Jesus being a complete SOB, no pun intended relative to the whore Mother Mary. Your ignorance remains laughable at your expense once again
What is truly pathetic is the fact that your post #111 went nowhere, where you talked in circles, as usual. Its like you gain pleasure in wordy posts that you have no idea that are embarrassing as shown. You failed to address your biblical ignorance pertaining to you stating that the Hell bound coin flipper Agnostic rationally believes that there is nothing that can be known about God is true, whereas I am assuming you are talking about Jesus and not Zeus, whereas this is blatantly false! All the “fence sitting” Agnostic needs to do is read the JUDEO-Christian Bible, and they will see all about our TRUE Jesus being a complete SOB, no pun intended relative to the whore Mother Mary. Your ignorance remains laughable at your expense once again
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YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: “One of the reasons I don't come back here often and respond is because of people such as yourself.”
Yeah, this can be understood because “people like myself” continue to show your outright pseudo-christian presence ad infinitum within this forum, and because it this, you have to remain in hiding upon other forums to try and save face to running away from TRUE Christianity at DEBATEART. Your diatribe upon this topic doesn't even come close to your rightful laughable and embarrassment in your "outer space" Denomination post elsewhere upon this forum! LOL
As long as I am here upon this forum, I will continue to show your posts as Devil Speak, and not the true words of our serial killer Jesus the Christ, understood?
You are excused.
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: “One of the reasons I don't come back here often and respond is because of people such as yourself.”
Yeah, this can be understood because “people like myself” continue to show your outright pseudo-christian presence ad infinitum within this forum, and because it this, you have to remain in hiding upon other forums to try and save face to running away from TRUE Christianity at DEBATEART. Your diatribe upon this topic doesn't even come close to your rightful laughable and embarrassment in your "outer space" Denomination post elsewhere upon this forum! LOL
As long as I am here upon this forum, I will continue to show your posts as Devil Speak, and not the true words of our serial killer Jesus the Christ, understood?
You are excused.
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
I for one, have truly missed your outright biblical ignorance as an assumed Christian in your time away from this forum. As if your embarrassing, and where you were easily “schooled” Denominations Thread wasn’t enough biblical ignorance, you come forth once again to be made the biblical fool with your post #111.
YOUR COMICAL QUOTE AGAIN: “It is a philosophical argument based upon the agnostic's basis of belief or non-belief. The agnostic affirms that he or she does not whether God exists or not - and that there is no rational or reasonable way of determining whether or not God exists.”
As you have to be aware, the hell bound agnostic is nothing but a “fence sitter or coin flipper” in relation to ANY god concept. I am sure you’ve heard this one before, if your chosen God concept cannot be determined to exist or not under Agnostic pretensions, then in turn, at the Agnostics laughable expense, Tooth Fairies can possibly exist as well. Wait, it gets better, Leprechauns cannot be counted out of possibly existing under the comical Agnostic flag. Here lies the comical rub when one is a “fence sitter” Agnostic.
YOUR COMICAL QUOTE AGAIN: “It is a philosophical argument based upon the agnostic's basis of belief or non-belief. The agnostic affirms that he or she does not whether God exists or not - and that there is no rational or reasonable way of determining whether or not God exists.”
As you have to be aware, the hell bound agnostic is nothing but a “fence sitter or coin flipper” in relation to ANY god concept. I am sure you’ve heard this one before, if your chosen God concept cannot be determined to exist or not under Agnostic pretensions, then in turn, at the Agnostics laughable expense, Tooth Fairies can possibly exist as well. Wait, it gets better, Leprechauns cannot be counted out of possibly existing under the comical Agnostic flag. Here lies the comical rub when one is a “fence sitter” Agnostic.
YOUR MISGUIDED NOTION OF THE GOD YOU WORSHIP: “In other words, for the agnostic to rationally believe that there is nothing that can be known about God is true”
WRONG! Let's use your serial killer God named Jesus, in that a lot can be known about Him as the Bible gives this pertinent information. We know that our Jesus, and that I have accepted, was Yahweh God incarnate, therefore, within the scriptures Jesus is greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent. Simple enough. Seriously, do you like being wrong for most of your time upon this forum?
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: “I like this argument because it is a clear evidence for the existence of God based upon a philosophical position.”
Correct! As shown above, our Jesus exists in the way explained, praise your newly founded enlightenment!
YOU GOING AGAINST YOUR FAITH QUOTE: “You see agnostics - live inconsistently with their beliefs. After all if someone did not know whether God existed or not - it would impact upon their lives - but the fact is - most agnostics I have met - live like atheists.”
NOT ONCE, I repeat, not once did you proffer that Jesus truly exists and that “coin flipping Agnostics” are definitely wrong! You are too preclude that Agnostics are pissing up a rope and will be Hell bound upon their earthly demise, therefore defending the faith, understood?
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
Once again you slap Jesus in the face with your disrespectful treatise relative to Agnosticism and not promoting Jesus against this Satanic faith. Thank Jesus’ revenge upon you regarding Judgment Day, praise Jesus!
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@Intelligence_06
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Intelligence_06,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "Jesus exists in the bible, the bible exists, thus Jesus exists. "
Your comical syllogism therefore proves without a doubt to you, that Harry Potter exists!
Harry Potter exists in the book Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, this said book exists, thus Harry Potter exists!
Thanks for this update into logical thinking, NOT! :(
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FAUXLAW,
Unfortunately for your continued weak reputation upon this forum, myself and the membership have seen you once again runaway from your Christianity in my posts numbers 30 and 36 that were specifically directed to you. Whats new? Nothing.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4451-religion-poll-2-did-jesus-exist?page=2&post_number=30
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4451-religion-poll-2-did-jesus-exist?page=2&post_number=36
Fauxlaw, you could have least "tried" to respond to those damn facts about our faith, but you didn't have the wherewithal to do so. How sad, especially since Jesus said to Defend the Faith, but instead, you ran away from it and are still in hiding.
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
As if your embarrassment isn’t bad enough in front of the membership for being known as a runaway from the Christian faith, you also have to contend with Jesus watching you perform this insidious act: “Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” (Hebrews 4:13)
Do you smell sulfur yet? You will upon your earthly demise.
FAUXLAW,
Unfortunately for your continued weak reputation upon this forum, myself and the membership have seen you once again runaway from your Christianity in my posts numbers 30 and 36 that were specifically directed to you. Whats new? Nothing.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4451-religion-poll-2-did-jesus-exist?page=2&post_number=30
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4451-religion-poll-2-did-jesus-exist?page=2&post_number=36
Fauxlaw, you could have least "tried" to respond to those damn facts about our faith, but you didn't have the wherewithal to do so. How sad, especially since Jesus said to Defend the Faith, but instead, you ran away from it and are still in hiding.
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
As if your embarrassment isn’t bad enough in front of the membership for being known as a runaway from the Christian faith, you also have to contend with Jesus watching you perform this insidious act: “Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” (Hebrews 4:13)
Do you smell sulfur yet? You will upon your earthly demise.
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Ragnar,
YOUR QUOTE: "While imperfect, the historical record suggests he indeed lived."
How can the term "imperfect" and "suggests" even be used in the assumed existence of the God of man, the earth, and the universe?!!! You admit that you are on thin ice, and where the Jesus character is mentioned within embarrassing documents after His death, it is of hearsay accountings and up to hundreds of years subsequent to His alleged existence. Reread my Neil Armstrong analogy in my post #30 above. Furthermore, all of these hearsay accountings does NOT mention that Jesus was in fact Yahweh God incarnate, but just a plain man instead.
YOUR QUOTE: "Granted, while he became the Christian Messiah, he was not the Jewish Messiah."
How does one try and explain away that in the Old Testament the Jews had their specific Hebrew God named Yahweh, a brutal serial killer of His creation, and that later on, the Christians, who were also ONLY Jews, stole Yahweh as their God and named Him Jesus. Therefore, logic 101 precludes that Jesus is held culpable as well for being a brutal serial killer since He was Yahweh God incarnate. This is barring the fact that Jesus' historicity as God of the universe outside of the Bible is eerily silent, and when it does appear, it starts at 64 years later in Josephus' Antiquities to hundreds of years later subsequent to His alleged death upon the cross. These very weak and factual propositions is how the God of the earth, man, and universe is represented, and that others are to accept them as a perceived premise to worship Jesus as God Huh? :(
This is why I state that even though Jesus as God DID NOT exist, and if He did, He would be a brutal serial killer in a catch-22 sense, which is even more embarrassing to his perceived ever loving and forgiving MO, we still need Him to exist as God nonetheless because as a TRUE Christian like myself, we have too much time involved in the faith to throw it away, therefore we have to masturbate our minds into feeling good that Jesus is God and just don't bring forth His totally embarrassing empty existence outside of the JUDEO-Christian Bible.
Seriously, if we have to accept a talking serpent in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1), a talking Donkey (Numbers 22:21-29), and a talking burning bush (Exodus 3:4), and without any insidious anachronistic spin, then it is not that farfetched to accept that Jesus is not God as explicitly shown more so than not, but we say He is nonetheless.
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Fauxlaw,
YOUR WIMPY RUNAWAY QUOTE: "Having fun with premature efactulation? I've read Josephus, thank you, and have read it in Greek, his natural tongue, as it was for most scholars of the first century."
I don't care if you read about Josephus in Japanese, understood? You are still RUNNING AWAY, as usual, to ALL parts of my post #30, why do you continue to perform this cowardly act? Do you think that you get points from Jesus by not accepting ALL of His historicity?
1. Is it embarrassing that Jesus, as the God of man, earth, and the universe, was NOT mentioned outside of the Bible until 64 years subsequent to His death on the cross? Therefore, what does that truly tell us about His assumed existence in the first place, even though Josephus just mentions a "Jesus character" in his Antiquities and does not mention Him as God!
2. Are you also embarrassed about other historians that mention Jesus, AND DO NOT MENTION THAT HE WAS GOD, in their writings that are nothing but hearsay accounts?
3. Are you embarrassed that those "other gods" had their writings written down as well in competing with Jesus, therefore, who is the correct god to worship in the pagan Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages?
As a TRUE Christian don't RUN AWAY from the embarrassing historicity of Jesus as God outside of the Bible, and accept that more so than not, He did not exist in this manner whatsoever, period! Like I said, we want and need Jesus as God to exist, therefore in our minds He does, regardless of there being no substantial evidence in history that He did. 2+2=4.
Now, are you going to RUN AWAY again to the points made above, or defend the faith like Jesus wants you too? (Titus 1:9) Jesus will watch your next move in His name!!! (Hebrews 4:13)
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@Crocodile
Ah yes, you were the one that agreed with me about the Satanic JW's in hiding on Memorial Day, yes? As if this fact isn't disgusting enough, their "2 Witness Rule" pertaining to when their members brutally rape innocent little children is despicable as well. Out of all the DIVISIONS of Christianity, subjectively speaking, the JW's are the most pathetic and ungodly of the bunch! They will certainly pay upon Judgment Day, praise Jesus' revenge!
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Ragnar
Regarding: #61
Sexual harassment will not be tolerated on this site. The offender has been banned.
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See, prayer does work, praise Jesus! I was in prayer with the Savior this morning at 12:05am, where the subject matter was ethang5's Satanic presence within this forum, where instead of preaching the TRUE words of Jesus the Christ, he runs away from them, then what happens at 12:29am, ethang5 gets banned for 3 months! You Hell bound atheists, don't ever tell me that prayer doesn't work!
We have a 3 month respite of not having to put up with ethang5's insipid Devil Speak and runaway tactics, therefore let's take advantage of this time period, praise!
THANK YOU JESUS!
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