BrotherDThomas

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4329-the-free-will-omniscience-dilemma?page=1&post_number=11.   Let me know if you want me to school you even further in the post in question, because seriously, I do not like it when members laugh at you!  Let me help you, okay!

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RoderickSpode (Has RUN from 8 of my posts directed towards him and counting),

YOUR REVEALING AND EMBARRASSING QUOTE: "So again, per your statement, who are these Christians who probably don't read the bible?"

The very simple answer to your question is the following DO NOT read their Bible as I and many others have embarrassingly shown within this forum:  RoderickSpode, EtrnlVw, ETHANG5, The most Bible ignorant of all, DrFranklin, PGA2.0, and a few others that post periodically.

Case in point: 

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTES #1: “So, it is not God who made the decision to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was Adam who chose.”  “Yes, Adam's choice was predetermined. God knew Adam would eat. God had a plan for Adam eating the fruit. God allowed Adam the choice of eating or not eating. It was Adam's choice. Adam chose. We are influenced by Adam's choice. Now we t” Adam did not understand this until he ate." 

Oh my, Jesus did not have to make any decision whatsoever in eating from the Tree of Knowledge because Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost created the Tree of Knowledge to begin with and had all of its attributes anyway, H-E-L-L-O?!

Furthermore, it was NOT Adam that chose to sin first, it was the soon to be 2nd class citizen Eve that chose to be first! “

"And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.”  (1 Timothy 2:14)”. Get it? Huh?   Besides, how could Adam be held culpable to sinning first  since he had not received the knowledge of right and wrong that the Tree would give him in knowing the sin scenario?!  It was the bitch Eve that set the whole aspect of original sin in motion, not Adam!  LEARN YOU BIBLE!  Therefore, to prevent you from further embarrassment next time, as if your Hell Bound Preterist faith wasn’t enough in this respect, use my Biblical knowledge that I have given you instead of your Satanic speculation, understood?

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #2: “God lives outside of time. He sees before Him the end from the beginning.”

CORRECTO! Thank you for understanding that your quote is just another biblical axiom that pseudo-christians like you do not have Free Will in anyway whatsoever! “He sees before Him the end from the beginning,” meaning Jesus controls in what every one of his Jewish creation will do or not do in every minute detail in their entire lifetimes from conception to their demise, and knows beforehand again if that person is Hell Bound or will go to our glorious 1400 square mile heaven (Psalm 139:1-3). 

You are excused at this time.

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YOUR QUOTE OF JESUS' POSITION: "I take it to believe that you have a hard determinist stance on this issue."

As shown against the number one bible ignorant fool ethang5, and his equally ignorant cohort PGA2.0, Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures have a "hard determinist stance" towards them and any pseudo-christian that tries in vain to rewrite the Bible to their own liking.  An omniscient God concept cancels out any Free Will position just by the definition of the term, let alone the biblical passages by Jesus Himself that determines in the future, and until your end, and in an absolute manner, your fate upon your earthly demise. The pseudo-christians can pray until they're blue in the face, but at birth, Jesus has a already made the decision of whether you are going to Hell, or to our 1400 square mile heaven!  

Always remember, if any proposition is not vouchsafed within the Bible by Jesus' inspired words like I have explicitly shown, then it becomes nothing but speculation as the truly ignorant pseudo-christians like ethang5 and PGA2.0 have embarrassingly shown us in their comical Satanic word salads within this thread.  

As you can plainly see, there is always an “ass kisser” available in these forums, as in this case, the current and recent “ass kisser” is mentioning the number one Biblical ignorant fool ethang5 in erroneously stating that he is glad  that he has returned to allegedly take care of a certain faction, and to be “not to hard on them.”   Where in truth, it is the other way around, where myself and a few others have easily taken poor ol’ ethang5 to the carpet since his Satanic return because of his blatant and never ending Bible ignorance! 

Ethang5’s motto, along with the current ass kisser, should be: "WTF, is that really in my Bible? How and the hell will I explain that disturbing passage/narrative away and still remain intelligent looking in the aftermath? Wait, I know, I'll make child like excuses and just run away from it!" 

The current ass kisser and ethang5 are two peas in a pod regarding their runaway status here upon this forum to Christian topics and refutations to them, and where I and a few others will easily continue to outright “own” their biblical ignorance at their embarrassing expense, praise Jesus! 

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AN “ARRAY OF DISARRAY” OF ETHANG5’S SATANIC WORD SALADS:  “As God is not the decision maker, His knowledge has no baring on the probability of the outcome of the decision. I don't think that needs further explanation. You've made a logical error. ……….“Further, your, "P3: God is never wrong." is incorrect and misleading, as God is not guessing. Your implication is that God is not wrong about probability of an outcome, but there are no probabilities from God's perspective, God knows the probability of the outcome not because He guessed it correctly, but because He "observed" it occur. ………..God’s omniscience are not guesses about the future, God has no "future". When His says you will do X next year, He is not predicting, He is telling you what has transpired. For you, doing X is in your future, for God, it has occurred. …….. It is not God's omniscience that causes you to do X, it is your doing X that causes God to be omniscient about it.”

HOLY JESUS CHRIST, in the last 6 weeks that the number one bible ignorant fool ethang5 was gone because of yet another ban, didn’t we miss his Satanic mumbo-jumbo word salads like was shown above? NOT!

NOTE: Not once did ethang5 provide biblical vouchsafing to his assumed knowledge, NOT ONCE! The only thing the number 1 Bible fool provided was his own ever so wanting assumptions, hearsay, and subjective opinions that biblically fall flat upon their proverbial face! As seen many times before, what ethang5 personally thinks he knows, does not align with the Bible where literally the last word is to be taken over ethangs ungodly words!

ETHANG5’S BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #1:  “As God is not the decision maker, His knowledge has no baring on the probability of the outcome of the decision. I don't think that needs further explanation. You've made a logical error.”

ETHANG5’S BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #2: “God is never wrong." is incorrect and misleading, as God is not guessing. Your implication is that God is not wrong about probability of an outcome, but there are no probabilities from God's perspective, God knows the probability of the outcome not because He guessed it correctly, but because He "observed" it occur.”

Ethang5’s jabberwocky word salad above simply deduces to the fact that Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost is OMNISCIENT, where one can stop at this point to determine the now and the future. Therefore, doing the simple math that Ethang 5 can even understand, is there is NO FREE WILL to the adherents of Christianity because Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost knows everything about you and what you are going to do in infinite future, period!

ETHANG5’S BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #3: “God’s omniscience are not guesses about the future, God has no "future". When His says you will do X next year, He is not predicting, He is telling you what has transpired. For you, doing X is in your future, for God, it has occurred.

Ethang5’s gibberish word salad above only shows again in how biblically ignorant he truly is in the fact that Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost always will have a future in helping man with his plans, where the irony is that Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost knows beforehand in ALL that man is going to do anyway in the following passage:

Does the Bible ignorant ethang5 AND PGA2.0 want to call Jesus's inspired words above as LIES like both have done before, where said verses establish AGAIN that the pseudo-christian duo does not have Free Will because of Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost being omniscient, period!

ETHANG5’S BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #4: “It is not God's omniscience that causes you to do X, it is your doing X that causes God to be omniscient about it.”

Ethang5’s abracadabra babble word salad literally slaps Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost in the face! Since the term omniscience is defined as:  “One who is omniscient literally knows all now and into the future, having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight,” where the key word is infinite. Therefore poor ethang5’s statement of “it is your doing X that causes God to be omniscient about it” is BLATANTLY FALSE because Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost knew infinitely beforehand you were going to do X without question, and doesn’t need you to do something before God is aware of it! HELLO ETHANG5, ANYBODY HOME TODAY, OBVIOUSLY NOT! LOL!

Members of this forum, subsequent to me easily Bible Slapping Silly®️ ethang5 AGAIN,  we are going to have to expect him once again to blather forth more Satanic word salads like he has done in his embarrassing post #5 within this thread. Furthermore, when easily questioning ethang5 about said prattle where he has no way out to biblical axioms, logic and reason, you will see him use some of the most wanting and comical RUN AWAY excuses that this prestigious forum has ever seen, bar none!  Just watch!

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I can easily see that you went to the ETHANG5 SCHOOL OF BIBLICAL IGNORANCE where to make himself look smart, he graduates anyone with an IQ of 20 or less!  

YOUR MISGUIDED QUOTE: "You have given up on me, among others. This isn't Christ-like, as Christ has not given up on anyone."

My serial killer Jesus most certainly has given up on many, I repeat, MANY as this one of many passages so states: Jesus' inspired word:  "These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6 ) 

Now, if you are not a devout Jew like I am as a prerequisite to become a TRUE Christian, and barring the fact that Jesus is a RACIST,  I only give 3 posts to me from outright Bible ignorant fools like YOU,  then I shut them down because my time is to valuable in trying to deal with their ignorance of Christianity, understood?

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User_2006,,

You messaged me regarding your thread to participate, but was blocked by you, therefore, Jesus and I easily worked around your block. 

I don't need a Deistic God concept, because I am a TRUE Christian in accepting ALL of the Bibles content, where in part, Jesus as a serial killer, and Him being a real SOB at times, and where He conducted abortions to the women of Ephraim, and if they gave birth, He murdered their babies on the spot, and where He ONLY exists for the Jewish people. Under all of these Jesus MO's, I still accept Him because of being going to heaven someday that DOES NOT have any women present, praise!

Whereas the pseudo-christians like the one present now in this thread, make Jesus into something that He is not with their Satanic Bible rewrites, apologetics, hermeneutics, and anachronistic views, are always turning themselves into pretzels. When they perform these ungodly acts is when the Brother D. comes in and Bible Slaps them Silly®️ at their expense!  In fact, the present pseudo-christian at this time in this thread is still healing from my last encounter with him when it was shown that he called Jesus a LIAR, and the ramifications thereof, made him leave this forum for a while. Its good to see him back!

Subjectively, Deism would certainly prevent wars, where in the Middle East, it is Allah God of the Muslims against the Jew's Yahweh God. Then it became the Christians Jesus God against Iraq and Afghanistan's Allah God, then the Jews Yahweh God made itself known again in helping the Christian God Jesus in the Middle East, even though they are the SAME GOD through the Abrahamic tradition!   This is where the pseudo-christians, like the one present in this thread at this time, run and hide to this biblical axiom! 

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YOUR EMBARRASSMENT CONTINUES IN THIS QUOTE OF YOURS: "I’m not embarrassed to say what state I'm from. It's personal. Are you too embarrassed to tell me your social security number? If not, PM me it right now. See? Embarrassment has nothing to do with it."

Huh? Oh my, where do I start?  Your Contradicting sentences: “I’m not embarrassed to say what state I am from.” Then you follow your absolute statement with: “Its personal”  Therefore logic 101 precludes that you are STILL to embarrassed to tell us what state you are from because you didn't name it!  CASE CLOSED.

Then you embarrass yourself further by asking me for my social security number, which when compared to what state you reside in, when not naming it is assumed  for security reasons, is blatantly “apples and oranges,” and if you can’t understand this comparison, then you are doing great harm to your Atheist brothers as being inept in logical reasoning!

CONTINUING YOUR EMBARRASSMENT ON THIS FORUM: “You have no conception of the hypothetical.”

It is plain deductive reasoning in the FACT that when you said; "Therefore, every observation I make about the world is part of God's truth" you admitted that my serial killer Jesus existed as God H-E-L-L-O???  Listen, maybe you should understand more about your Atheism before you remove one foot to insert the other again, okay? You are giving your Atheism a bad name in this forum!

YOUR GRASPING FOR PROVERBIAL STRAWS QUOTE: “You haven't cited a single scripture in this thread. I have.”

There is no need for me to quote the Bible at this time, because the content of our discussion doesn’t need it, whereas you are making enough of a fool yourself in NOT quoting the Bible verse for your Elijah narrative.  Get it?

YOUR POOR QUOTE OF DESPAIR: “Unless you make a really good point the next time you tag me, I won't respond. Goodbye.”

Leaving so soon? Ran out of ammunition for your Satanic Atheist cause? Psssst, I don’t blame you for not mentioning me in correcting your terrible English skills in your ever so weak refutations to my responses to you, even though you wanted me to show you your mistakes. Shhh, that will be our little secret, okay? Mums the word.

Correct! I am pleased that you are making absolute statements towards my serial killer Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, in that every observation you make about the world is part of Yahweh/Jesus’ truth!  Emphasis on your  word TRUTH, where you admit that Jesus created the world! Therefore, it looks as though you are close to jettisoning your comical Atheist beliefs, praise!

Your rhetorical rant concerning Elijah might be interesting to your equally Hell Bound Atheist friends, but it was tiring to read and had no purpose to help you defend your ungodly faith, not did it really matter to the Christian faith. To be more serious, a novel idea would be to actually include the chapter and verse within the bible next time, get it? 

YOUR QUOTE OF EMBARRASSMENT: “I live a state over from Utah, so not the sickest insult, nor is it true.”

There are 5 states bordering the godforsaken Mormon state of Utah, and it is obvious that you are too embarrassed to tell us what state “one over” you live in. The normal action of a Hell Bound Atheist, be secret about things, then you won’t be embarrassed about them!  lol 

YOUR QUOTE OF GULLIBILITY: “You could not do so "with ease," as you say. Shipping persons is both illegal and fairly difficult on a practical basis.”

I am truly sorry that you took my facetious joke seriously, and what did I expect from a Hell Bound Atheist that doesn’t believe in a brutal serial killer Christian God name Jesus, priceless!

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: “Let’s stay grounded in the Truth, shall we?”

Yes, most certainly, where I will be grounded within the absolute truth with Christianity, whereas you will not be grounded in your comical Atheist “theories” about this, “theories” about that, and so on!  Example, you Atheists state that man is hundreds of thousand of years old, are you kidding? LOL. Jesus says that man is approximately 6000 years old within the chronological order from Adam to Jesus within the Bible, then Jesus to the present day man!  H-E-L-L-O? Anybody home today Hell Bound Atheist? 

1.  Your first sentence out of the box reads: “God, at least according to some, created everything you or I sees.”

Unless you live below the Mason Dixon line in the United States, there is no need to use “sees” in its plural form. 

Ex: “Masta, I sees the misses is a comin to brought you your lunch!” Get it? Probably not. 

2.  Your Grade School syntactical sentence structuring reads: “Furthermore, stop insulting my English until you can point out EXACTLY what's wrong with it, grammatically.”

The way it should read, without its sentence fragment is: “Furthermore, stop insulting my English until you can grammatically point out exactly what is wrong with it.”

In any event, have fun in this bastion of ungodly pseudo-christians that try in vain to rewrite the scriptures at their own peril. Whereas I am the ONLY TRUE Christian on this forum, that follows ALL of the Bible as Jesus intended, praise!

Obviously your Satanic duo is once again having a hard time in understanding the English language, and why am I not surprised again?  Here, let me reissue what you have failed to understand that was directed to the RUNAWAY Fauxlaw, where it matters NOT if any spacecraft is manned or not, get it?

Obviously, the RUNAWAY FAUXLAW and RoderickSpode need further clarification, like I thought they would need. Therefore FAUXLAW and RoderickSpode, what part of my statement above don't you understand regarding RS's comical and Bible ignorant statements to try in vain to prove a higher intelligence, which should be Jesus the Christ as God, whereas, you slap Jesus in the face by not including Him in your wanting dissertations, that for now, are sleep aides.  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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FAUXLAW,

ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR SMOKE SCREENS TO TAKE THE LIGHT OFF OF YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE IN YOUR POST #30: "Brother D is a troubled soul. He might heal properly if that pounding hand were pocketed for a while. It accomplishes nothing but pounding the Bible he espouses as the only true christian. Lower case for a purpose."

I was correct in the fact that I told everyone, including you, that your silence to the my post above is your admittance that Jesus and I EASILY own your Bible ignorance, praise!

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In EtrnlVw's Satanic jabberwocky hypotheticals and wishful thinking in trying to embarrassingly prove his specific God over all the other Gods that have existed over time, he erroneously acts as though his God of choice, whichever that may be,  is the only one that existed. NOT!  How blatantly narcissistic does he want to be?!

Furthermore, if EtrnlVw is going to play his embarrassing "Hide and Seek, where is my God Game," then he should tell the membership in which God he is talking about, is it that hard to do? To save EtrnlVws time, I have listed the Gods of the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages for him to choose in which one he is referring too this time as shown below:

Azura Mazda, Angus, Belenos, Brigid, Dana, Lugh, Dagda, Epona, Allah Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Atehna, Demeter, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Gaia, Hades, Hekate, Helios, Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Pan, Poseidon, Selene, Uranus, Zeus, Mathilde, Elves, Eostre, Frigg, Ganesh, Hretha, Saxnot, Shef, Shiva Thuno, Tir, Vishnu, Weyland, Woden, Yahweh, Alfar, Balder, Beyla, Bil, Bragi, Byggvir, Dagr, Disir, Eir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hoenir, Idunn, Jord, Lofn, Loki, Mon, Njord, Norns, Nott, Odin, Ran, Saga, Sif, Siofn, Skadi, Snotra, Sol, Syn, Ull, Thor, Tyr, Var, Vali, Vidar, Vor, Herne, Holda, Nehalennia, Nerthus, Endovelicus, Ataegina, Runesocesius, Bacchus, Ceres, Cupid, Diana, Janus, Juno, Jupiter, Jesus, Maia, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Neptune, Pluto, Plutus, Proserpina, Venus, Vesta, Vulcan, Attis, Cybele, El-Gabal, Isis, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Endovelicus, Anubis, Aten, Atum, Bast, Bes, Geb, Hapi, Hathor, Heget, Horus, Imhotep, Isis, Khepry, Khnum, Maahes, Ma"at, Menhit, Mont, Naunet, Neith, Nephthys, Nut, Osiris, Ptah, Ra, Sekhmnet, Sobek, Set, Tefnut, Thoth, An, Anshar, Anu, Apsu, Ashur, Damkina, Ea, Enki, Enlil, Ereshkigal, Nunurta, Hadad, Inanna, Ishtar, Kingu, Kishar, Marduk, Mummu, Nabu, Nammu, Nanna, Nergal, Ninhursag, Ninlil, Nintu, Shamash, Sin, Tiamat, Utu, Mitra, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Inari, Tengu, Izanami, Izanagi, Daikoku, Ebisu, Benzaiten, Bishamonten, Fukurokuju, Jurojin, Hotei, Quetzalcoatl, Tlaloc, Inti, Kon, Mama Cocha, Mama Quilla, Manco Capac, Pachacamac and Zaramama, Vera.

Wait! You have me COWARDLY on a block where I assume that I am not supposed to converse with you because I have easily made you the Bible Fool in the past, but yet you want your cake and eat it too by posting to me, what gives?  Have you found your balls and are willing to remove me from your block, or did you just want another one of my patented Bible Slappings®️  because you miss them from before where I made you the complete Bible fool that you are?  Which is it?

When a pseudo-christian like RoderickSpode refers to anything in outer space, that goes directly against the Bible's cosmology and Jesus' inspired word which you are embarrassingly unaware of, or when you comically do so as well in your Bible ineptness,  I facetiously use the Star Trek Series position to show RS and YOU in how ungodly you Bible fools are, do you understand, or do you need further clarification? Huh? 

Now, run along before I make you PEE YOUR PANTS in bringing forth your Satanic and laughable  position of the Day-Age Theory relative to the Creation Story!  Understood?

 

Pseudo-christians like FAUXLAW are so predicable in their removing one foot to insert the other all the time! LOL!

I will definitely click on the report button from now on like the pseudo-christians do in crying to the moderators that they do not like my Jesus inspired truthful biblical axioms, even though they are correct in every way! What an irony, huh? lol

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YOUR QUOTED POST: If RationalMadman (RM) has or has not in the past requested you to leave him alone, with #10, he clearly has now."

Barring the fact that RM NEVER told me to leave him alone, therefore LYING AGAIN as an habitual LIAR, and to save RationalMadman any further embarrassment from me, this is certainly AGREED upon!

YOUR QUOTED POST: “Further, within this thread you seem to be the only person who has made direct mention of Jesus.”

YES, and why not?! This is because RoderickSpode’s Star Trek adventure into outer space in his initial post is trying in vain to prove a higher intelligence, aka, God, aka, Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate!  Therefore, using Jesus in this respect is a relevant topic!  There are NO “personal grudges,” but only to keep certain wanting propositions and pseudo-christians in check.

TO USE ANOTHER ANALOGY:  If I have a target in plain sight on the out skirts of an insidious “No Fly Zone” of Hanoi or Hai Pong, and to possibly save lives of US soldiers, I will most certainly take advantage of it.

QUESTION:  Do the moderators have the ability to find fault, with at least a reprimand, as in this case, RationalMadman, in his BLATANT LIES towards me as explicitly shown in the links in question?  Furthermore, do the moderators have the ability to curb a members foul language, as in RationalMadmans following post in telling me to FU*K OFF?

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4291-god-created-evil-first-think-about-it?page=1&post_number=17. If you want this forum to be professional, then one would think that this type of language is out of bounds!

Name:   Mr. Brother D. Thomas

Religious label I affiliate with:  I am a TRUE Christian, the only one within this forum.

Motive to engage in the interview:  being understood while delivering Jesus' TRUE inspired words on various topics within the scriptures.

Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost God:  My God of choice is as real as the sun coming up tomorrow morning, praise!

YOUR QUOTE: "I will evolve with your answers."

My answer:  you most certainly will, that will be a given for sure!

YOUR QUOTE: "Applying does not guarantee acceptance, I am free to decline applications."

My answer:  Your only need to decline me would be if you knew beforehand that you cannot keep up with my rapid 105mph fast balls, instead of the many "soft balls" you are served up ad infinitum on this forum, that at least give you a couple more posts before you have to quit the discussion.

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