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@ethang5
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ethang5,

Tell us, why do you allow yourself to be made the fake Christian on DebateArt?  Look at you running away from the Hell bound Atheist named Steven like you are doing, and as he said, you laid down the premise of no contradictions in the first place, and now you are being a namby pamby pretend Christian in front of DebateArt by not addressing each one of his alleged contradictions! Why?

Did your bible ignorance forget that you are to defend our Yahweh's faith? Huh? You are letting the Atheist Steven outright OWN YOU, ENOUGH!
Stand up for Jesus or leave Christianity altogether because we don't want lilly-livered Christians amongst our ranks, understood?! Now engage Steven because this is your fight, and don't bury yourself further by putting the onus upon someone else to do your work!

JESUS' WORDS SAYS YOU ARE TO DEFEND THE FAITH:

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5) 

"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9) 

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, (1 Peter 3:15)

Ethang, I would hate to be you upon Judgment Day when you meet the Savior and He brings up the fact that you ran away from an Atheist in not defending the faith!




PGA2.0,

Are you trying to outdo the fake Christian Ethang5 in running away from the scriptures as well? Huh?  I addressed your comical biblical ignorance in post #50 within this thread, and as of yet, you have not answered this said post whereas you have addressed others subsequently. Why?  Are you as embarrassed as Ethang5 with your bible ignorance as well?  

The two of you are just another example of why many do not join Christianity in the 21st century, and that is because of your Satanic actions of truly not knowing the Bible like you think you do!  Thus far, we will mark you as just another RUNAWAY from the Bible's true words by not addressing my post #50.  You are truly predictable, and at your expense upon Judgment Day.


Steven,

I am truly sorry that you have to be a part of ethang5's child like runaway modus operandi from his bible concerning the topic at hand. He uses the old ruse that if he can't defend our faith like Jesus says we are to do, he uses a smoke screen to put the onus upon others to do it for him.  Yes, child like for sure, but what did we expect from the fake runaway Christian Ethang5?  Then you add the equally fake and bible ignorant Christian PGA2.0, and you have a pair of Christians that are trying to outdo the other with their complete biblical ignorance!  Where will their bible ignorance take us next?  Only Yahweh knows.

Steven, can I ask you a favor?  Please don't be too harsh upon these two assumed Christians where they can't take it anymore and leave DebateArt, because like mascots, they are here to be examples of what happens when Satan enters the souls of people that "think" they are Christians. Thanking you in advance.



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@YeshuaBought



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YeshuaBought,

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "It is not a baby until it has brainwaves."

HELLO, anybody home today?  Our serial killer Yahweh God differs with you upon this topic, and why am I not surprised?

Lest you forget, our Jewish Yahweh God says life began at the first breath! "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7) 

YeshuaBought, do you want to call our Jewish Yahweh God a LIAR with what He says compared to what you say? Huh? Life DOES NOT begin at inception, neither does it begin with "brain waves!"  Besides, our bible is hardly pro-choice with our Yahweh's serial killings of innocent children, zygotes, fetus' and babies throughout the scriptures.

So many fake Christians, and so little time to address their ignorance.



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Subjectively, the JW’s slap the face of our Armed Forces on Veteran's Day who risked and lost their lives to also save the cowardly Jehovah Witnesess from certain death at the hands of the Nazis, or the intent of taking over the USA by the Japanese in WW2, when they opted out of defending the USA because of their Jesus' rewritten ungodly faith!

When it comes down to the Jehovah Witness to actually stand up for their freedom, they ran away using their ungodly NWT bible rewrite in WW2 until the conflicts were over. Then the sickening Jehovah Witnesses came out of hiding and were glad that the freedom they now had, others had fought and died for! 

The irony is the FACT that their version of the Christian Hebrew only god named “Jehovah,” was the most warring god known in the Bronze and Iron Age and set an example of going to war when needed!  "There is a time to love and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace."
( Ecclesiastes 3:8)

"From twenty years old and upward, all in Israel who are able to go to war, you and Aaron shall list them, company by company." (Numbers 1:3)

"If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men." (Romans 12:18)

"When new gods were chosen, then war was in the gates Was shield or spear to be seen among forty thousand in Israel?" (Judges 5:8)


As if the JW's don't have enough bad press with their blatant pedophile coverups, shunning, disfellowshipping, no blood transfusions to let their children die, disgusting child abuse cases, and other unsavorily antics, I will ad their running away to defend their country of the USA!


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@PGA2.0



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PGA2.0,

YOUR UNGODLY EMBARRASSING QUOTE: “Since God is Spirit those who worship must worship in spirit and in truth and that is obtained via Jesus Christ, the way and the truth. “

You have Satanically stated ad infinitum that our serial killer Yahweh God is a spirit only, and without a physical body. How do you sleep at night with your outright biblical ignorance regarding your claim?!

There are many instances within the scriptures that show our Jewish Yahweh as a physical being, like the time Moses saw our God’s ass!!!  For obvious reasons you seemingly forgot about this godly happening, eh? DO NOT be embarrassed about the facts of our Yahweh, understood? The TRUE Christians like myself accept these biblical axioms and just move on.

Let me quickly address your bible ignorance, where ol’ Moses is chatting with our serial killer Yahweh “face to face” as one speaks to a friend. Moses asks Yahweh the following: “Show me your glory, I pray” (Exodus 33:8). But, Yahweh says; “You cannot see my face; for no one shall see me and live,” (Ex 33:20) A few verses before Moses talked “face to face” with Yahweh, but now Yahweh says Moses can’t see his face. Uh, okay.

Now in Ex 21:23 Yahweh says Moses can SEE HIM, partially that is, when He stated: “Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you WITH MY HAND until I have passed by. Then I will REMOVE MY HAND and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” (Exodus 21;23)

Yahweh once again shows us that he is anthropomorphic by having a “HAND like humans. Anyway, Yahweh then covers Moses face with his HAND and removes said HAND when He passes by Moses! Yahweh did show Himself and was seen by Moses, but only showed his backside, which equals Yahweh’s ASS! If Yahweh had a “HAND” therefore he had an ASS as well!  GET IT? Huh?

Now, if you want to make a greater fool of yourself amongst the brethren of DEBATEART, try and spin doctor this narrative away with actual BIBLICAL vouchsafing instead of opinion dribble this time, understood? Jesus and I get so tired of addressing the most ignorant of His following in DebateArt.


YOUR STEPPING IN POO QUOTE, AGAIN: “It is through ignorance and misunderstanding of God's word that these alleged contradictions are charged. I tackled the first seven to give an example.”

GREAT, now to save what face you have left, you only have 293 left to Satanically decipher of the New Testament godly contradictions!  What are the next 7 are you going to bring forth?  Yahweh only knows that Ethang couldn’t defend our Yahweh God like our bible says to do, where at least you are “TRYING,” I repeat, “TRYING” to erroneously perform this ungodly act!


We are waiting, with NO EXCUSES, for you to continue in allegedly showing no contradictions is the said previous NT passages.  BEGIN.



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@Harikrish



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Harikrish,

Listen up, when Jesus returns, nobody is going to "double cross" Him again because He will be wiser the second time around!  I can just see the Hell bound Atheists upon Jesus' return saying; "I'll be damned," where it will be so apropos in such a revealing statement for being disbelievers, praise!

In the name of the hung Savior, 

Brother D. Thomas


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@Reece101



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Reece101,

YOUR WILLFULLY IGNORANT QUOTE: "I’ve had a read of your profile. What do you mean by ‘we TRUE Jewish Christians’? Judaism doesn’t adhere to the belief in the christian Jesus."

Doing the simple math, Christians were, and are today, just Hebrew followers of Jesus, our brutal serial killer God of the Old and New Testaments. With Jesus being the Jewish Yahweh God incarnate (1 Timothy 3:15-16), and where Jesus was only sent for the Hebrew people (Matthew 15:24), and where Jesus was the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37), and where Jesus stated that He ONLY chose the Jews out of all the peoples of the earth to reign over (Amos 3:2), therefore bible logic 101 states that if one is an assumed Christian, they have to be Jewish!!!  Get it? Huh? 2+2=4.

Even the totally biblically ignorant Tradesecret and Mopac can understand this simple biblical axiom that one has to be Jewish to be a TRUE Christian. At this time, I follow the Pharisee Jewish sect, that may change at any time, because if it was good enough for Paul, it is good enough for me, praise!

So much biblical ignorance upon this forum, and so little time to address it because of my Ministries. :(




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@Reece101


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Reece101,

YOUR QUOTE: "Too bad for unicorns, witches, giants, dragons (not my dragon), etc that had their parts to play in the bible, which 
ancient theologians also believed in. I guess people lost faith in how real the creatures were, which henceforth became defined differently."

Yeah, it ain't easy in being a TRUE Christian in the 21st century, that is for sure.  Lest you forget about the talking donkey in the passage below, that I still can't spin away when those damn Atheist bring this topic to the forefront!

"….. then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?" Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now." (Numbers 22:21-29) 


As a TRUE Christian, one passage that I truly accept is the following, praise!  "It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife." (Proverbs 21:19) 


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@Outplayz


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Outplayz,


YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "Behold, I come quickly; Revelation 22:12-14 "

Yeah, this verse has always bothered us TRUE Christians, where thus far, this "come quickly" statement has been 2000 years and counting! What also bothers us TRUE Christians are the following passages as well upon this embarrassing topic:

"He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20) 

“Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.”  (Mark 13:30-31)

The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray.” (1 Peter 4:7)



Only the truly biblically inept like TradeSecret, Mopac, et al, would use Devil Speak to try in vain to spin doctor these passages away!



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@OoDart



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OoDart,

YOUR REVEALING AND HONEST QUOTE: "Men were made in God's Image. It makes sense that He would appear similar."

So, what you are stating as fact, is that our Jewish Yahweh/Jesus God has a penis and a butthole!  Thank you for agreeing with me on this topic of what our God actually looks like since we are created in his exact image, praise!

"So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them male and female he created them." (Genesis 1:27)

IMAGE: a person strikingly like another person, a reproduction or imitation of the form of a person or thing.


OoDart, One question, since Yahweh/Jesus created woman in His image as well, does that mean that our Yahweh/Jesus is a Hermaphrodite as He/She resides in our glorious Heaven???!  Awaiting your cogent reply, thanks.



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@Mopac



Mopac,


YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "It is written that God "commandeth all men every where to repent"

GREAT! So, when are you going to publicly repent here on DebateArt for calling Jesus a LIAR relative to my post #48 in opening yourself up to committing the Unpardonable Sin?!  Will you do this shortly, or draw it out to make it worse for you in the end?


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MOPAC,

YOUR NON SEQUITUR AND UNGODLY QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "It is written, "Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity."

Tell us, what has your biblical quote above had to do with you blatantly calling Jesus the Christ A LIAR regarding my post #48?!

You have run out of room with your Satanic Catholic Devil Speak, where you actually state that your primitive Catholic Doctrine takes precedence
 over Jesus' inspired words as shown in my post #48!!!!   If anyone is to repent Mopac, IT IS YOU FOR TRASHING JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS in the Bible that show Jesus to be omniscient, therefore, there is NO FREE WILL, of which your Catholic mind set won't let you comprehend!


If you want to play "Bible Verse" here is one for you: "To those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. ...( Romans 2:7-16).  

Mopac, regarding the passage above, you DO NOT obey the truth in Jesus' modus operandi of being omniscient and the ramifications thereof of no free will, therefore upon your demise you will have tribulation and distress of being evil against Jesus the Christ!

Listen, do you want me to keep track of the passages that you are calling Jesus an outright LiAR upon?  Would this help you in some way to realize that when Jesus comes down upon you, you can look back in these links to understand why you are going to Hell?!  Yes? It's the least that I can do.


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@Mopac



Mopac,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE:  "That could be evidence to a lot of things. Not all of which fit your narative."

The bottom line is the FACT that you remain SILENT to Jesus being omniscient, and how it directly goes against your Catholic faith "pretending" that Christians have Free Will, of which my post #48 explicitly says they DO NOT vouchsafed with the inspired words of Jesus the Christ Himself!!!

Thanks Mopac for proving my point with your silence once again.  How does it feel to call Jesus a LIAR as my post #48 so dictates, without any ungodly and Satanic spin doctoring needed by you? Huh?





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@Mopac




Mopac,

Your embarrassing silence is deafening to my post #48, which is obviously proof that you have finally succumbed to biblical logic, reason and biblical axioms that show Jesus is omniscient, and because of this fact, all Christians do not in any way have Free Will, thank your for your godly admittance this time!

I am also relieved that you jettisoned the Hell Bound Catholic Doctrine that went against Jesus being omniscient, and now accept Jesus' TRUE words within the scriptures as I have shown you in post $48, good for you Mopac, you're learning, praise!


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Mopac,

!!!! NEWSFLASH !!!!

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE TAKING THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES POSITION ON FREE WILL OVER JESUS THE CHRIST!!!:   Taking a few falsely interpreted and out of context quotes to deny free will when 90% of everything else that is written in scripture tells us to repent, direct our hearts, obey, etc. Does not make sense. Denying freewill is an opinion that has been discerned as heretical by The Orthodox Catholic Church, the true body of Christ.  That  all being the case, I am siding with the authorities I respect on this matter.


BLASPHEME!  First off, since when does the Bible make any true 100% sense?  It is duly noted that you are siding with the known ungodly Catholic Church over Jesus the Christ's omniscient status and what that truly represents, therefore not giving His creation FREE WILL whatsoever! Then if this wasn't enough Devil Speak from you, then you continue to pave your way to Hell when you stated: "Taking a few falsely interpreted and out of context quotes to deny free will ..."  Where do YOU get the authority to state that Psalm 147:5, and 1 John 3:20, and the verses below, are falsely interpreted and taken out of context???!  READ THEM, YOU BIBLE IGNORANT FOOL!

Here, let me add a few more verses inspired by Jesus the Christ herewith to PROVE that Jesus is omniscient and where His creation do NOT have free will:

“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known
the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10). 

“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4). 

O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3). 

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5). 


MOPAC, the fact remains that Jesus is omniscient and therefore Christians DO NOT have free will because as stated, He knows the beginning until the end on every living thing on planet earth, period!   I would certainly like to see you before Jesus on your Judgment Day, where you tell Jesus that He is not omniscient, and that His aforementioned passages were wrong in giving Him His true omniscient MO!  Is that going to be a day to remember as you are thrown into the firefly lakes of Hell because you call Jesus a LIAR!

“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8). 

Remember, as explicitly shown in the above passage, Jesus did not create Hell and not plan on using it! Understood?



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MOPAC,

YOUR BEREFT QUOTE REGARDING CHRISTIANS NOT HAVING FREE WILL: "That is not in line with what the church has been teaching for thousands of years. Denying free willl is tantamount to blaming God for making you sin."

I don't care what you assume the church teaches, because there're so many divisions of Christian churches that contradict each other to begin with, but what is tantamount is Jesus' direct and inspired word that teaches He is omniscient! Understood?! Anything less would not be a superior God!

Do you deny that Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is NOT omniscient in said passages? (Psalm 147:5, 1 John 3:20) If you don't like the facts about our faith, then I suggest that you find another faith to follow.

OMNISCIENT: having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things. 


YOU DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL WITH AN OMNISCIENT GOD KNOWING "ALL" THINGS, WHERE HIS NAME IS JESUS, PERIOD!  



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@Mopac


MOPAC HAS A FOOT FETISH BECAUSE HE KEEPS REMOVING ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER!


MOPAC,

YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE AGAIN: "We make the choice. It is God that gives movement to everything. We do not move on our own, it is God that gives us the grace to move."

Once again you contradict yourself in the same sentence this time!  LOL! Your ungodly mumbo jumbo states that we make the choice, but that we do not move on our own! You cannot grasp the fact that again you contradict yourself!

For you to save further embarrassment, our serial killer Jesus, as the Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate, is omniscient (Psalm 147:5, 1 John 3:20), therefore He knows in every detail in what we are going to do from birth to our demise, period!  Therefore, Jesus already knows if we are going to Hell or not, understood, therefore WE DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL!  2+2=4.



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@Mopac


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MOPAC removes one foot to insert the other AGAIN in the same post! 

MOPAC QUOTE, POST # 32: " ..... God doesn't violate our free will."  

MOPAC CONTRADICTING QUOTE: "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps."

HUH? Firstly, MOPAC erroneously states that we Christians have free will, of which we do not, and then postulates that the mans heart deviseth his way, BUT, the Lord directeth His steps!    Huh?

CONTRADICTION ALERT: You cannot have free will when the Lord directs mans steps!


Seriously, the moderators should give a live bible test that is to be taken by any FAKE Christian, and then passed before they are able to post on DebateArt Religion Forum! In this way, it would save time where astute True Christians like myself wouldn't have to be correcting them ad infinitum!  


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@Tradesecret




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Tradesecret the runaway FAKE Christian,

YOUR EVER SO WANTING MAKE BELIEVE REFUTATION TO YOUR SEXUAL DEVIANCY IN POST #101:  “Again I deny I made any comments in relation to being a sexual deviant. If you don't have the capacity to understand what was being expressed in those passages, then that is your problem. I have clearly explained the context, the hyperbole, the particular type of language - and indeed even the point of all of those passages. Harikrish was trolling Ethang. His logic was "since Ethang at one time lived in Africa, he is an African". My rhetoric which as in a conversation with Ethang was a total mocking of Harikrish's logic. This is why I laughed when he read what I wrote and then repeated it on the previous board. Everytime he repeated it, he put another nail in his coffin. Everyone could see exactly how bad his logic was and the funny thing is Harriet could not see he was simply piling poo on his head everytime he spammed and spammed. I know your logic is bad and that you don't have much of a brain, but when I see you repeating it here - I laughed so hard. Harikrish is using his second language - you on the other hand pretend to know this one. Whereas I thought Harriet had problems, now it occurs to me that compared to you - Harriet has lots of excuses.”

I have seen some FAKE Christian spin doctoring over the years, but I have to admit, YOU TAKE THE CAKE, congratulations!  Nobody is that stupid, EVEN YOU, to portend that you were allegedly mocking Harikrish and facetiously stating you were a sexual deviant, without it actually being true! Furthermore, the alleged mockery of Harikrish's logic was repeated on the previous board, but you did not give us the verification of this “other board,” which is so conveniant once again, isn't it?!  You are such an outright ruse! LOL

In addressing your post #101 relative to you trying in vain to Satanically spin doctor your sexual deviancy away in front of Jesus (Hebrews 4:13) and the membership, and understanding that it is embarrassing for you to do this ungodly act, I will not further humiliate you upon this topic, but will let Jesus take out His revenge towards you upon your earthly demise, praise!

 "For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” (Hebrews 10:30)



YOUR QUOTE TO ME OF AN AD HOMININ: “I know your logic is bad and that you don't have much of a brain”

YOUR QUOTE IN POST #102 RELATIVE TO ME: “You have resorted to attacking my character. Any half way decent debater knows using ad hominin attacks are evidence you have lost the discussion.

Whoops!  Using your definition above relative to ad hominin attacks, and stating I have only half a brain, is therefore your own evidence that you are losing the discussion right back at you!  As if we didn't know this already. Get it? Huh?   Tradesecret, why are you making it so easy for me in showing you to be a hypocrite outside of Christianity as well?  Priceless!



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Mopac,

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: I said, "If" evolution is a reality, of course God did it."

Yes, I saw, you said a BIG "IF" which is still in doubting Jesus creating mankind, get it?!  Even a FAKE Christian like you, you should take an ABSOLUTE stance of accepting creation with no question whatsoever in that Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, created mankind, where you don't even bring forth EVILution to begin with, understand? Besides, THINK, Jesus cannot in any way be responsible for EVILution as defined because of His inspired words in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.  2+2=4.

I truly get so tired in having to correct DebateArt's bible ignorant FAKE Christians like you.



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@Tradesecret



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Tradesecret, the runaway FAKE Christian,

YOUR PATHETIC LAST DITCH EFFORT QUOTE POST #102: “You have not shown any such thing. All you have revealed is that you do not know how to read the bible or apply it adequately in pretty much any situation. You have also revealed that you are iconoclastic - atheist - and your intentions are wholly unholy. “

Now you have to resort to implying that I am this Iconoclast character? LOL!!!  Whats next to try and save what credence you have left in this forum from being a blatant “double speak” biblical ignorant minion of Satan as shown explicitly within this thread?! 

It is no wonder that Jesus has sent me here to DebateArt, to follow your Satanic Devil Speak around this forum and to correct you in front of the membership at your continued expense!



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MOPACS QUOTE IN HIS POST #3:  "If evolution is a reality, of course God did it."

Mopac has the audacity to question our Jesus' Creation in Genesis 1 and 2 by ungodly stating "if" evolution is real, then Jesus did it?! WHAT?

What Mopac fails to realize is that you can't have it both ways! Again, Mopac continues to slap Jesus in the face by questioning His creation from man being made out of "dust" and a woman made from a "rib!" Blaspheme!  

When will Mopac's  biblical ignorance and disrespect towards Jesus ever end?!  We can only wonder in what Jesus is thinking about Mopac at this time making such an ungodly statement like he did in his quote above, since He sees everything that Mopac does. (Hebrews 4:13)



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@Tradesecret



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Tradesecret, the runaway FAKE Christian,

Your refutations are waning, they are getting weaker with every subsequent post of yours, deep down you know that you are only bringing a Boy Scout pocket knife to my Abrams M-1 fully loaded tank in our discussions!

Now, what part of this statement of mine relative to your true MO here on DebateArt didn't you understand?  In closing the godly humiliation of Tradesecret, he is shown to be biblically challenged, very predictable in being biblically inept, a blatant LIAR, a minion of Satan, a Burger King Christian where he wants his bible "his way" instead of "Jesus' way," a truly FAKE Christian, a Christian that talks out of both sides of his mouth in contradicting "double speak," a Christian who shows contradicting biblical passages, and who TRUE Christians should stay far away from as the Bible so states in the following passages, Titus 3:10, Romans 16:17, and 2 Timothy 3:5!

You're a joke in calling yourself an assumed Christian, and I will continue to show you to be one of the most FAKE hypocritical Christians upon this forum, understood?


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@Tradesecret



Tradesecret,

YOUR QUOTE: "I deny I made any comments in relation to being a sexual deviant."


YOUR QUOTES THAT SAY DIFFERENT YOU DID SAY YOU WERE A SEXUAL DEVIANT:


“Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.”

“They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”



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TRADESECRET BLATANTLY LYING ONCE AGAIN IN HIS POST #91!!! : “Again I repeat, I have never said I was Presbyterian. You have simply allowed Harriet to lead you on in this belief.”

TRADESECRET DIRECT QUOTE AGAINST HIS QUOTE ABOVE: “Harikrish suggested I was Presbyterian, I never denied it. I merely mentioned that I don't see it as a relevant consideration.”

TRADESECRET DIRECT QUOTE #36:  “I am not ashamed of my church. Nor is the Presbyterian Church hell bound.”

As blatantly shown above, Tradesecret LIED when he stated that he was not a PRESBIE in his post #91!  Now, let's see some more of his insidious Devil Speak to try and weasel his way out of his direct statements above showing that he is a PRESBIE, when he said that he was not!  Lets prepare ourselves for some more lame excuses why his direct comments above are not to be taken LITERALLY!  This should be quite the comical event as usual with his last ditch efforts of the past!  Who has the popcorn concession for this event? Who as the beer concession for this event? WAITING!


In closing the godly humiliation of Tradesecret, he is shown to be biblically challenged, very predictable in being biblically inept, a blatant LIAR, a minion of Satan, a Burger King Christian where he wants his bible "his way" instead of "Jesus' way," a truly FAKE Christian, a Christian that talks out of both sides of his mouth in contradicting "double speak," a Christian who shows contradicting biblical passages, and who TRUE Christians should stay far away from as the Bible so states in the following passages, Titus 3:10, Romans 16:17, and 2 Timothy 3:5!





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TRADESECRET RUNAWAY POST # 95:  Oh, oh, wait a minute, there is no post #95 from him!  Why isn’t Tradesecret addressing what I had shown at the end of my post #87, in that he is Hell Bound upon his earthly demise because of being an ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT, and he wants to be called a Christian? HELL NO!


Tradesecrets sickening and utterly disgusting ungodly sexual deviant quotes in front of the membership and Jesus (Hebrews 4:13):

“Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.”

“They are quite nice. We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.”




What does Jesus' inspired words say about Tradesecrets disgusting sexual deviancy and his outcome upon his demise?!

“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

As an absolute, the sexually immoral person like Tradesecret will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur upon his demise! 

“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,” (1 Corinthians 6:9)

As an absolute, do not be deceived, the sexually immoral like Tradesecret will not inherit the kingdom of God!

Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.” (1 Corinthians 6: 18-20)

As an absolute, Tradesecret DID NOT flee from sexual immortality as he continued to slap Jesus in the face because his body is a temple of Christ that was bought for a price!

Tradesecrets lack of Biblical intellect has to understand that our Yahweh/Jesus did not, I repeat, did not create Hell, and not plan on using it as Jesus supports by sending His creation to Hell in this one of many instances! Jesus stated: “My friends, don’t be afraid of people. They can kill you, but after that, there is nothing else they can do. God is the one you must fear. Not only can he take your life, but he can throw you into hell. God is certainly the one you should fear!” (Luke 12:4-5)



Since Jesus admits there is a Hell that He created (Colossians 1:16 ), and people like Tradesecret performing disgusting sexual immorality acts are going there upon their death, I then pity poor Tradesecret upon his demise.

Jesus stated: “And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Jesus stated: “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:49-50)

Jesus' inspired words stated: “The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:41-42)



Now, if Tradesecret steps in the proverbial poo again and brings forth the “Forgiveness Doctrine” where everyone is saved nonetheless, then barring the fact that there is no incentive NOT to sin under this doctrine, then Tradesecret outright calls Jesus the Christ a LIAR in the above passages which equals blaspheme to the extreme towards Jesus!  Do you think that Tradesecret is this stupid to do this ungodly act in calling Jesus a LIAR? We shall see at his expense once again. The irony is the fact that Tradesecret should follow this passage to save any further humiliation here at DebateArt! "Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues."  (Proverbs 17:28)



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Pertaining to the runaway FAKE Christian Tradesecret ,

It is truly sad to watch the FAKE Christian Tradesecret unravel before our very eyes, and in front of Jesus as well (Hebrews 4:13), and succumb to his division of Christianity being a Presbyterian, because as embarrassingly shown, he runs away from his division of the faith instead of defending it as Jesus proposed ( Titus 1:9, 2 Corinthians 10:5, 1 Peter 3:15) 

Yes, we TRUE Christians have encountered many FAKE runaway Christians like TRADESECRET over the years in forums like this, where they were shown to be Burger King Christians, where they Satanically want their bible “their way” through Satanic apologetics and hermeneutics, instead of "Jesus’ way," through what Jesus said literally to the multitudes without any spin doctoring whatsoever!


TRADESECRET RUNAWAY POST #90:  Within this post it explicitly shows Tradesecret running away once again from biblical questions with child like sophmoric responses. What did we expect from a FAKE sexual deviant Christian?



TRADESECRET RUNAWAY POST #91:  Within this post, poor ol’ Tradesecret scrapes for what scraps are left for him in asserting that I interpret scripture wrong, where in fact, I read it LITERALLY where you cannot “interpret” it! HELLO?  Whereas Tradesecret uses Satanic apologetics and hermeneutics, decoder rings, and crystal balls to make the scriptures anything that he needs them to be at any given time. Therefore, he is guilty of this verse: “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (1 Timothy 4:3)



TRADESECRET RUNAWAY POST #92:  As shown once again, Another example of Tradesecret making a mockery of the bible is his vain refutation to his Satanic “double speak” that I have shown at his expense.  As if his initial double speak wasn’t enough regarding “works,” READ HIS 4 PARAGRAPHS of mish mash jabberwocky to why speaking out of both sides of his mouth is somehow acceptable!  Priceless Devil Speak!  



RUNAWAY TRADESECRET POST #93:  Again, Tradesecret trashes the scriptures when he stated that no one can please god even though I had shown that the scriptures say that you are to please our serial killer Yahweh/Jesus God in my post #54!!!  Do you see why Tradesecret is an actual minon of Satan that was sent here to cause discord amongst the Christian community?! Sure you can.


What should scare the death of any TRUE Christian at DebateArt, is the fact that Tradesecret preaches his Satanic version of the Bible to others! YES, can you imagine the damage he is doing to the equally of simple minds of the faith by postulating his Devil Speak to others in the name of Satan???!  His double speak alone to others will take years to repair when they finally find out that Tradesecrets knowledge of the scriptures were from being a minion of Satan!  



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Tradesecret, the runaway FAKE Christian,


As if the aforementioned posts showing TRADESECRET to be a minion of Satan weren’t enough for his outright disgrace in front of Jesus, lets add one more for good measure, shall we? Why of course!


TRADESECRETS DIRECT SATANIC “DOUBLE SPEAK” QUOTE THAT STATES ONE CANNOT PLEASE GOD, TO WIT:

“We cannot please God” (POST #58)


TRADESECRETS DIRECT SATANIC “DOUBLE SPEAK” QUOTE THAT STATES THAT YOU NOW CAN PLEASE GOD, TO WIT:


Yes, we please God because we are ALREADY saved. Not to get into heaven. (Post #58)

We please God by obeying his commandments - not to earn salvation to get into heaven. (POST #58)

“We please God by obeying his commandments - not to earn salvation to get into heaven”  (POST #46)


As embarrassingly shown above, barring Tradesecrets lack of understanding the English language and by not having the acumen to use correct syntactical sentence structuring, he doesn’t know his ass from a wild grape relative to Jesus’ “works” regarding salvation!   WHAT DID WE EXPECT FROM AN UNGODLY HELL BOUND ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT LIKE TRADESECRET?!!!




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The mindless Satanic jibberish continues where TRADESECRET sways in the wind, back and forth, with the issue of whether “works” are needed for salvation or not. Seriously, try not to laugh at Tradesecrets following “double speak” in the name of Satan, okay? He thanks you.


TRADESECRETS DIRECT SATANIC “DOUBLE SPEAK” QUOTES THAT STATE “WORKS ARE NOT NEEDED” FOR SALVATION, TO WIT:

“Works are not needed for salvation. God's grace is needed for our salvation.” (POST #58)

“We are saved by grace not by works lest anyone boast. Ephesians 2:8-9.” (POST #46) 

“We are saved by grace, through faith.” (POST #46)

“We don't need to do things to get to heaven” (POST #35, admitting “NO WORKS”)

“I said we don't need works to earn salvation” (POST #58)

“So, you do think that salvation is by works. OK. I hold to the view that God saves us.” (POST #35)

“Yet, our good works wont get us to heaven just like our bad works wont” (POST #46)


TRADESECRETS DIRECT SATANIC “DOUBLE SPEAK” QUOTES THAT NOW STATE “WORKS ARE NEEDED” FOR SALVATION, TO WIT:

“But we are saved unto good works” (POST #46)

“Christians are commanded to do good works” (POST #58)

“but that true faith is always accompanied by works” (POST #46)


Huh? Can Tradesecret spell "C-O-N-T-R-A-D-I-C-T-I-O-N?" LOL!  Tradesecrets  “double talk mish mash jabberwocky mumbo jumbo nonsense ” may be entertaining to him and his equally confused FAKE Christians, but it is NOT entertaining in the eyes of Jesus the Christ where he makes a mockery of His words! (Hebrews 4:13)

Where does Tradesecrets Christian humiliation end?  Yes, at the Pearly Gates where Jesus will meet him with the lever in hand to open the trap doors of Hell on his behalf, praise Jesus’ revenge upon the minions of Satan like Tradesecret!



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Tradesecret, the runaway FAKE Christian,

A follow up to your humiliation regarding your post #83 is herewith:


YOUR INEPT AND COMICAL QUOTE: “As for my interpretation of Scripture, almost all Christians come to the same conclusion.”

Key word in your bible ignorant response, “interpretation” whereas you are NOT to interpret the bible to your perceived understanding: Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.” (2 Peter 1:20). Do you want to call Paul a LIAR?! Please, save us any further Devil Speak by spin doctoring the verse above with your Satanic mind numbing apologetics where what it literally says, is not what it really means, okay?!

Furthermore,  and again, there are 33000 DIFFERENT divisions of Christianity, therefore, why aren’t you one of the 32999 that are left instead of the Presbyterian Church that you have Satanically chosen?


YOUR LYING SATANIC QUOTE: “You on the other hand, make it up as you go along and no one has the same view as you.”

Your biblical ignorace is without bounds, because I can’t “make it up” since I am a LITERALIST and accept what Jesus said, is in fact, what He said!  2+2=4. Whereas, as shown, you Satanically spin doctor away what Jesus’ inspired word LITERALLY states by using your PRESBIE crystal ball and decoder ring!  This is blatantly obvious since your church is only one division of over 32999 left of your faith! Hello, anybody home today?


YOUR INEPT QUOTE TO YOUR FAITH: “After all, how does knowing what denomination I am change your answers?”

We already know what division of Christianity that you swallowed, and that is the ungodly Presbyterian Church that we will definitely be talking about in the near future at your continued humiliation.  It is NOT the answers, but the questions that are to be asked, understand?

Oh well, we can explicitly see that your time off did not help you in any way whatsoever because you still operate with your Satanic apologetic and hermeneutic spin doctoring modus operandi!  Do you need more time off before you try in vain to engage me again? Yes? Maybe?  Seriously, I do not like to engage the already severly wounded like you in any discussions, but like Jesus’ inspired word states, i am to show you sympathy. (1 Peter 3:8)


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Tradesecret, the runaway FAKE Christian,


Before you get easily bible slapped again, I was worried about your absence! I am so glad you returned because I am always worried subsequent to me having to biblically correct my weak FAKE Christian opponents. Whereas, they either have to heal from their biblical ignorance and embarrassment after engaging me, or they just run away to try and save face and regroup, then sneak back into DebateArt like nothing has happened to them!  Hmmmm, I wonder which scenario you represent? (Hint, both)

WHOOPS AGAIN, 3RD TIME! Yes, an absollute pattern has now formed in your behalf by you running away AGAIN from the last paragraph in my post #55!  Can you tell us what "running shoes" you wear in the name of Satan?  Inquiring minds want to know!

1.  In my post #55, you did not address the last paragraph in question in your subsequent postings numbered 57, 58, 59, and 60.  RUNAWAY #1

2.  Therefore, in my post #61 I called you out upon you running away from this paragraph in my post #55!  RUNAWAY #2

3.  Now, in your post #83, you at least finally “tried” to address the paragraph, BUT, “Houston, we have a problem!” Barring your non descript jibberish in yet running away from said paragraph again, you conveniently left off the last part of it that was the crux of the content! Hmmmmm, I wonder why? As if the acute eye didn’t notice your Satanic ruse! Tsk, tsk, tsk.  RUNAWAY #3

Here, to your humiliation again, I will post the entire paragraph with the addition that you just happened to leave off in bold type! 


“Your form of ungodly Christianity, where you interpret the scriptures in what you need them to say, is the embarrassing reason why there are over 33,000 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS of Christianity, where they all contradict each other, but at the same time, EACH ONE is allegedly correct in their subjective specific doctrines!  Where comically, your Satanic church of being a Hell bound Presbyterian is one of 33,000, but to you, your church is the correct word of Jesus the Christ over the other 32,999 divisions!  Laughable at best at your expense once again! LOL!!!”

You certainly didn’t think that your insidious and sophmoric response to the paragraph above being: “As for my interpretation of Scripture, almost all Christians come to the same conclusion” was going to hold water, did you? Surely you jest!, you ‘ol kidder you! LOL

Now, after reading the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH THIS TIME with the wording that you conveniently left off, and remember, what Jesus said ONCE, He didn’t mean for His Jewish creation to take in many different and contradicting ways, tell us, how do you know that your ungodly pagan Presbyterian Church, BEING ONE of 33,000 CHRISTIAN DIVISIONS OF THE FAITH, is the specific correct one in the eyes of Jesus? 

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Stephen,

YOUR INITIAL QUOTE, POST #73: “Jesus told quite a few lies . He told his close disciples that he wasn't going into town but went in disguise. Why the disguise? Why was he so scared of being recognised? Why couldn't he trust his hand picked disciples with the truth? 

YOUR LAST IGNORANT QUOTE TO THE TOPIC AT HAND POST #80: "You are doing it again. Just like all bible bashers do when they have painted themselves into a corner and find the question awkward and uncomfortable. You are attempting to answer a question with questions of your own. This is not discussion or debate."


LOGIC 101, READY?  

1. YOU made the claim in your quote #73 above.  
2. You did not cite your biblical references to your claims.
3.  I asked you to cite your biblical references in my post #74
4.  In your post #76 you were embarrassed, then you tried to put the onus upon me to help you out and tell you where your references are! LOL
5.  In my post $77, I bible slapped you silly because you didn't know where your references were within the scriptures!
6.  In your post #78 you start grasping for straws to save further embarrassment, along with adding more sophomoric lame excuses.
7.  In my post #79 I tried to regress to a 2nd grade level for you to understand that it is up to you to provide the references, not me.
8.  Your post #80 reverts back again in trying to put the onus upon me, whereas it is LOGICALLY put upon you since you made the claim!!!!

2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and you think everyone is as dumbfounded as you are in not understanding the logical fallacy of "THE SHIFTIING OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF! I suggest that you play this infantile game with your equally ignorant friends that lack the knowledge of logical fallacies, okay? Now, wipe the egg from your face once again.

The irony is that you obviously don't know where you got your biblical references from for your direct quotes about Jesus in your initial post #73!   Therefore, I suggest that to save further embarrassment amongst the membership, JUST LEAVE DEBATEART ALTOGETHER!

Subsequent to your departure, and to bring you up to speed in an ADULT FORUM next time, you severely need to take an online Logic 101 class so you won't find yourself in another embarrassing situation like this again, okay?  For your convenience, go to the link below of "beginning logic" and join, and after HOPEFULLY passing the course, tip toe back into DebateArt and give it another try.  You can thank me later.

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Dynasty,

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "Old testament law."

If you want to call yourself a Christian, then get with the program!  Learn your bible, or leave Christianity!  

In Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, He specifically states that the Old Testament laws are to be followed, all 613 of them,  until all is fulfilled.  I suggest that you read it so as not to be made the biblical fool again, understood?

Under your misinformed knowledge, if the Old Testament Laws are not to be followed, then are you going to get together a group of Christians to remove the ENGRAVED 10 COMMANDMENTS on the two huge oak doors as you enter the Supreme Court of the United States?  Furthermore, right above where the Supreme Court judges sit is a display of the Ten Commandments!  Let us know when you are going to have those removed as well, okay?!

You seem to be another FAKE Christian, where you state the Old Testament laws doesn't apply, unless of course you say it does, then the part you say applies does not apply because of Jesus! LOL

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YOUR QUOTE TO MY POST #17: "i answered this in the other thread"

NO, you did not answer this type of question in another thread.  It doesn't matter, because you see how difficult it is to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st century in following ALL of the Bible, whereas our bible was composed within the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages of acceptances, whereas in todays acceptances, they are 180 degrees apart.

We shall carry on even if we are blatantly ridiculed by others because of our Bronze and Iron Age thinking, praise!


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YOUR QUOTE #13: "On fox news Richard Dawkins was complaining how people were offended when he attacked Muslims but everyone was ok when he attacked Christians."

We can only gain solace in the fact that Jesus said there would be days like what you quoted above: 

"If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you." (1 Peter 4:14)

"Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted," (1 Timothy 3:12)

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." (John 15:18)

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:10)


Pertaining to being chided when one is a Christian, the main point that Atheists like to use is the biblical fact that our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate of the Triune Doctrine, was in fact, a brutal serial killer, especially of innocent children as shown throughout our bible.  It is a hard fact to refute the non believers in this vein, but we shall move on nonetheless, praise our serial killer Jesus anyway!



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Crossed,

YOUR DIRECT QUOTE POST #12:  "The bible does not say beat your child to death"

You are correct, it was Jesus Christ that "condoned through tradition" that one is to put their child to death, either by beating them, or by some other method, preferably stoning was in vogue at the time, if they cursed their parents.

Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?  For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death." (Matthew 15:3-4)

You have to agree that our Jesus was a "mans man" with His killing nature as shown in the above verse, AND, where He takes a serial killer position in the Old and New Testaments, praise!  Oh, one of mention is when Jesus, as God incarnate, drowned His entire creation in His Great Flood!  Imagine the poor mothers watching their INNOCENT children crying out to them as they gasped for their last breath of air before they went under for the last time. So sad.  What is worse, is that Jesus, as God of the Triune Doctrine, watched those poor drowning children that were in horror (Hebrews 4:13), as their little muscles gave out and they went to the depths of the ocean. :(

In any event, there is absolutely loving, forgiving, and no empathetic apologetic spin doctoring that will prevent our Jesus being a brutal serial killer within the scriptures, and because of this fact, we just have to accept it and move on.  Wouldn't you say this is to be true as well?  Sure you do.


Since you stated that you were going to take some time off, have a restful away time from DebateArt thinking about our serial killer Jesus, praise!




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Crossed,

YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF BEATING KIDS QUOTE: "What is better hitting your kid with a stick. or them burning in hell forever."

Truthfully, and remember, Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate is watching you (Hebrews 4:13) so tell the truth!!!  Do you have children and did you ever have to beat them as biblically vouchsafed because of their wrongdoings?  Do you really think that this beating of kids will somehow stop their misgivings in the future, subsequent to them visiting the ER of a hospital and recovering from said brutal beating as you are being arrested for child abuse and endangerment? Huh?

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Crossed,

To biblically answer your questions in your post #6, Jesus' inspired words states the following:

But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than any human authority." (Acts 5:29)

Crossed, I ask you a very simple question as a Christian, NOW WHAT?!  

If you follow Jesus' inspired word in the verse above for truly following the faith of Christianity, you will be thrown into prison for acting upon your propositions in your post #6.  A true "Catch-22" to say the least, get it?  Do you see why it is so hard to be a TRUE Christian whose faith was created within the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Age of acceptances?  Sure you do.


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Crossed,

To biblically answer your questions in your post #16, Jesus' inspired words states the following:

But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than any human authority." (Acts 5:29)

Crossed, I ask you a very simple question as a Christian, NOW WHAT?!  

If you follow Jesus' inspired word in the verse above for truly following the faith of Christianity, you will be thrown into prison for acting upon your propositions in your post #16.  A true "Catch-22" to say the least, get it?  Do you see why it is so hard to be a TRUE Christian whose faith was created within the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Age of acceptances?  Sure you do.


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Unfortunately, I once heard that our faith was "The diaper of humanity within the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages." Can you believe that statement? Huh?  

Just because our ever loving and forgiving Jesus had these attributes of being homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, abortionist, capricious, and malevolent, we TRUE Christians have to accept Jesus as shown within the scriptures and just move on the best way we can.  

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I am sorry for you that I am NOT a Mason to help you in your assertion of why I should accept Jesus stating that witches are to be murdered.

I am sorry for you that I am NOT even a "baby Mason" to help you substantiate the right in murdering witches.

Since you are adamantly against the occult allegedly kidnapping innocent children, then why aren't you on a mission from Jesus to go out and murder these people since Jesus' inspired word states that you are to perform this act?  Are you purporting to know more than Jesus if you do not follow Exodus 22:18 and Leviticus 20:27?!!! 


Furthermore, your silence is deafening to my post in the link below where we TRUE Christians are allowed to BEAT our children, and MURDER them if they curse their fathers or mothers, and that adulterers are to be MURDERED as well, so saith Jesus the Christ. Why are you HIDING from these biblical axioms, therefore, you need to address these before you take a "break" from this forum.    


Do you see why it is so hard to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st century, whereas our Jesus' TRUE words within the Bronze, Iron, And Middle Ages, condones the murder of others? Yes?




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Again, poor, poor, poor, poor Stephen is RUNNING AWAY from my question to him in my post #74 regarding his assertion in his post #73!!!
Why are we not surprised?  Heads up, YOU stated that Jesus was in disguise and scared that he would be recognized when he went into town with absolutely NO BIBLICAL VOUCHSAFING, but only speculation. STOP!

My follow up post $74 asked you where in the Bible did your information come from, STOP.  Then your irrational thinking tried to put the onus upon me of where this biblical information was derived from, STOP.   HELLO, AGAIN YOU ARE NOT AT HOME AT ANY TIME WHEN YOU ARE ON THIS FORUM!  It is YOU that has to bring forth where you obtained your assertion within the scriptures upon the topic at hand, get it bible ignorant fool?

For your convenience, I want you to take this logic 101 online class that you severely need to save yourself further embarrassment upon this forum, okay?  https://www.coursera.org/learn/logic-introduction. You can thank me later.

Please, for the sake of what credence you have left, DO NOT "try" and put the onus upon me again when it is YOU that is hanging out in embarrassment since you made the assertion FIRST without giving your biblical source, do you understand? Sure you do.

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Crossed,

Barring the fact that you are totally falling down regarding my two posts to you in other threads where you continue to remain silent, but n being a TRUE Christian, I suggest that you and others follow our godly inspired words and just do what our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, states what we're to do with the witches as shown Biblically below!


“You shall not permit a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:27)

Oh, and please do not be as ignorant as 99.99 percent of the FAKE Christians in this forum, in that they have the audacity to state that we're not to follow the Old Testament anymore, whereas Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount states with specificity that we are to follow the Old Testament!  Crossed, don't you hate FAKE Christians that say the Old Testament is not to be followed?  They are biblically ignorant fools!


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crossed,

Still contemplating on our Jesus condoning child beatings, murdering them if they curse their parents, etc.?  Why haven't you come to terms with these biblical axioms? A TRUE Christian like myself has done so in the past, so, when are you going to do the same?

Remember, Jesus is watching you be in indecision relative to His direct words upon this topic! (Hebrews 4:13)



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MOPAC'S QUOTE:  "The age of the Earth, the process by which God does things in the world... none of this stuff is really that important to know. "

Mopac, which isn't the normal pattern, is correct with his statement in that it matters not the age of the earth, BUT, instead the age of man, where it is approximately 6000 years old from Adam to Jesus to the present day, praise!  Therefore, the dinosaurs existed within this 6k time period, and all of Yahweh's Jewish Creation as well!   Simple math for the TRUE Christian to understand!



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Stephen,

YOUR LACKING OF BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE QUOTE:  "So you don't know your scripture as well as you lead others to believe you do. This shouldn't surprise anyone should it? Because  just as all devout christians do,  you will  alter, translate and interpret any  biblical verses that  are problematic to your faith. GET IT!!!?:

Uh, logic 101, which you lack in spades, states that anyone that makes an assertion, is to follow up with its foundation.  SINCE YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR ASS FROM A WILD GRAPE UPON THE TOPIC THAT YOU BROUGHT FORTH, YOU ARE EMBARRASSED ONCE AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE DEBATEART MEMBERSHIP!  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are excused, now go and hide somewhere once again because of you removing one foot to insert the other!


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Dynasty,

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: "Have you read any scholarly books before?"

What did you just say?  The ONLY book that is needed to read at any given time is the JUDEO-Christian bible!  Besides, any TRUE Christian is to follow the passage below that states with specificity that we are to "Pray Without Ceasing." Therefore, who has time to read any other book other than the Bible between our continuous prayer? Huh? 

"Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you." (1 Thessalonian 5: 16-18)

As embarrassingly shown, your alleged "Orthodoxy" is cracking beneath your feet!



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YOUR GHOST QUOTE: "Jesus told quite a few lies . He told his close disciples that he wasn't going into town but went in disguise. Why the disguise? Why was he so scared of being recognised? Why couldn't he trust his hand picked disciples with the truth?

Stephen, Stephen, Stephen, you truly must have a fetish for being "Bible Slapped" by the Brother D. Shameful.

Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate  told lies?  Regarding His clandestine MO, lets face it, Jesus was a "Rock Star" of his era, therefore, I assume that at times He needed a rest from the multitudes and went into town undercover, get it?  He just wanted to enter the town as a normal person would, what's so bad about that? Huh?  In my preaching, I have had to do the same at times!

Oh, for the record, tell us what chapter and verse in the Bible you used to disparage our Jesus the Christ when He allegedly lied, and disguised Himself going into town, okay? When answering this question, it will prevent you from continuing to be a biblical fool again, get it?

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Dynasty,

As a TRUE Christian, I would have been happier if I never ran across Matthew 15:3-4 to begin with!  This is because it shows our alleged ever loving and forgiving Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, CONDONING the murdering of children that curse their parents! As if His inspired word in allowing the beating of kids with a rod wasn't bad enough, then He brings forth Matthew 15: 3-4!   I mean, WTF?

Do you see what happens when you read ALL of our bible?  This type of Jesus was never taught in Sunday school, nor was it within any sermons that I tried to listen to and not to fall asleep.  Dynasty, since you threw your hat into the ring, how do you feel about our Savior condoning the murdering of our kids that curse the parents?

Dynasty, do you have any good spin doctoring that would be acceptable on this topic to try and take it away, and still remain intelligent looking in the aftermath?  Thanks.



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Crossed,

YOUR DIRECT TITLE QUOTE: "God created morality"

If our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate created morality, then I have shown you only some morality that our God commanded in His direct inspired word in my post #4!


YOUR QUOTE: "Its not my place to decide what is moral or not. all i am saying is there is a moral system in place and it effects us."

You are correct, it is not your place to decide what is moral or not, BUT, it is Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, that decides what is morally correct for His followers, as shown by the examples I have given in my post #4 because they were commanded by Him to begin with. Therefore, the beating of children, murdering a child if they cursed you, and murdering adulterers, is in fact morally correct to Jesus, otherwise He could not have mentioned them to follow in the first place!  

Remember, like you stated above, there is a moral system in place, but for Christians it is within our Bible, and that is Jesus' moral system as partially described herein. Therefore, remember Jesus is watching you question His moral ethics within His scriptures, so do you accept what He proposed in my post #4 or not?!  If you do not, then in essence you have called Jesus a LIAR, and the subsequent ramifications thereof.  :(



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Crossed,

Thank you Cross!

Hallelujah!  It’s about time someone brings up this very important bible truth, in that our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, created morality. For the sake of brevity, I will only list a few OF MANY morals equal to the following shown below created by Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate.

I taught our bible morals to my 6 children early on and set the groundwork to let them know that if they got out of line to the rules of the bible, then as Jesus’ inspired words stated, there were to be beaten with a rod, praise!

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs.23:13-14) 

"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." (Proverbs.22:15)

After many unfortunate beatings of my children with a rod of hickory wood, I told them Jesus’ number one moral, and that was, if they ever curse me or their mother, then Jesus says I have the right to murder them post haste! You should have seen the look upon their faces subsequent to this inspired statement from our Savior! It was scary, but one of my sons started crying and passed out upon the floor. Sad, but since we are TRUE Christians that follow ALL of Jesus’ doctrine and morals within the Bible, then he is just going to have to “toughen up!”

Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?  For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death." (Matthew 15:3-4)


Another Jesus moral scared the crap out of my wife when I told her that if I ever caught her committing adultery, I would have to murder her and the man that did this ungodly act (Leviticus 20:10)  Crossed, yes I know, the Old Testament commands and laws are still in effect today because of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount states with specificity that we are to follow the Old Testament to the letter at this time, and into the future.  Ha, thought I didn’t know this Jesus fact, huh?


I have to admit, that one of the hardest morals Jesus as set forth, is that the inspired word of Jesus says we’re to murder people of other religions (Numbers 25:1-9) and as stated before, Jesus implores us to follow the Old Testament along with the New Testament.  Unfortunately for me, this is a hard one to follow.  Crossed, how do you deal with this godly command in having to murder other religions than christianity? 


Cross, looking forward to your responses in agreeing with Jesus' aforementioned moral acceptances, praise!






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