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Fruit_Inspector,

First thing in reading your posts, it seemingly shows your moniker is a "double entendre" for inspecting homosexuals!   Because of your blatant psychosis, just come out and quit hiding your sexual preferences, this is the 21st century, okay? Find a homosexual forum to hopefully take your mind off of 21stCenturyIconoclast easily owning you and your faith.  

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DR. "C&P" Franklin,

Now, take your blatant bible ignorance to a Christian Children's Forum where you and TRADESECRET belong, understand?!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE:  "Why would it just be days"

Why do you continue to disparage our Jesus the Christ as Yahweh God incarnate?!  You have the nerve to ask WHY would it be days, whereas within Genesis 1, it explicitly states it was "A DAY!"  Are you saying that you know more than our Yahweh/Jesus God's inspired word where in essence you are calling Him a LIAR??!

"And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,  and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.  God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."  What part of the FOURTH DAY as being singular to the other days of creation don't you understand?!

You are as bad as the Hell bound TRADESECRET in always questioning Jesus' words with Satanic spin!!!

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Fruit_Inspector,

As it is shown, you should really seek a psychiatrist for your problem because as shown, this 21stCenturyIconoclast character must have really embarrassed you here at DebateArt for you to act the way you are doing.  For that I am truly sorry, but after scanning the link you provided, what did you expect if you ran away nine times from him in front of the DebateArt members?  

You can jump up and down, rant around like a little kid, pee in your pants for relief if need be, but I am not who you "think" I am. Sorry. :(

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Mopac,

YOUR COMICAL QUOTE AS FUNNY AS A TRADESECRET QUOTE: "there is only one legitimate Christian Church. The original church. The Orthodox Catholic Church."

A serious question, when the origin of the pagan Catholic Church was evolving, were there pedophile priests back in this era as well?  Did the church at this time try and move them around, and coverup for their horrific acts upon innocent young children as they screamed with being frightened because the priest was buggering them?

Or, is the child buggering trade only a new event in your ungodly church because it was explicitly shown that your church tried to coverup their child abuse since the mid 1960's with your evil Pope RATzinger.  

Have you ever been buggered by a priest in your churches "rectory?"

We will look forward to a serious reply, thanks.  

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

Oh, oh, are you going to be like the equally dumbfounded of the Bible, TRADESECRET, and run away from my questions to you relative to your biblical ignorance?

Just like I have to do with your equal RUNAWAY, Tradesecret, where he runs away to, I will post it again for you below for you to answer.

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Fruit_Inspector,

I went to the link in question, and I saw that you did RUN AWAY from 21CenturyIconoclast NINE TIMES regarding your Christian faith.   So, what has your embarrassment in letting an Atheist easily own you am I supposed to be concerned with?  Your lack of biblical knowledge in letting an Atheist take you to the cleaners is your problem, not mine.

In reading your over emotive post above, I would suggest that you either get laid post haste to help you chill out, or have your physician give you a script for some anti anxiety pills and take them religiously, okay?

To your embarrassment, I am not 21stCenturyIconoclast, that I see rules over you and your faith. Maybe you should change your moniker to save further embarrassment from him and other Atheists, and come back with a new name and try again.  You can thank me later for this enlightenment.

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Tradesecret, the FAKE runaway Christian,

Whoops again!  Oh, oh, a pattern is forming with you, in that you forgot once again to give one of your comical apologetic spins, where this time it is to the end of my post #55!  AGAIN, You don't want to become what you are accusing me of, do you hypocrite?  YOUR QUOTE #47:  "You are the one who ran away in the other topic - because your arguments were shown to be false and shallow."  

To make it easy for you, I have reprinted it below, you can thank me later, okay?

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Where is your normal weak refutation?

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Tradesecret, the FAKE runaway Christian,

YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE IN FRONT OF JESUS: “I used the word metaphorical because animals are referred to metaphorical. Yet I accept that others do not necessarily see the horses as metaphorical, you for instance are a literalist. “

Yes, I am a LITERALIST, praise Jesus!  This prevents me from acting like an ungodly fool like you do where you subjectively spew forth your comical “It could have been, or it could have meant” wishful thinking Devil Speak!  What do you think Jesus does when He watches you perform this Satanic act? In simpler terms for you to hopefully comprehend, WWJD?


TRADESECRET; Where in the bible does it say to “interpret its content away from its literal written word?” Please provide me with a few verses or narratives in this respect.  I will be waiting for you to provide this information in your next post. Thank you.


“Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.”  (2 Peter 1:20)

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)

“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4)

TRADESECRET, DO YOU WANT TO DISAGREE WITH THE INSPIRED BY JESUS PASSAGES ABOVE THAT WE ARE NOT TO INTERPRET HIS LITERAL WORDS BY USING SUBJECTIVE CRYSTAL BALLS, OR DECODER RINGS, AND THAT THEY ARE FLAWLESS IN THEIR LITERAL MEANING TO BEGIN WITH?  RESPOND!
Here, let me try to help you in jettisoning your Devil Speak with this simple proposition, what Jesus said ONCE, He did not mean for His creation to take in many different and contradicting ways. Understood, minion of Satan?

Your form of ungodly Christianity, where you interpret the scriptures in what you need them to say, is the embarrassing reason why there are over 33,000 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS of Christianity, where they all contradict each other, but at the same time, EACH ONE is allegedly correct in their subjective specific doctrines!  Where comically, your Satanic church of being a Hell bound Presbyterian is one of 33,000, but to you, your church is the correct word of Jesus the Christ over the other 32,999 divisions!  Laughable at best at your expense once again! LOL!!!

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Tradesecret, the FAKE runaway Christian,

JESUS STATED (2 Peter 1:20-21) THE FOLLOWING: “What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” (James 2: 14-17)

YOUR SATANIC RESPONSE: Yes, James makes that comment.  His point is not that we need works to earn salvation - but that true faith is always accompanied by works. As Paul puts it elsewhere, we are saved unto good works.  We cannot please God. This is the point of the entire gospel. You should try reading the bible rather than posting other people's works. 
When you state; “we are saved unto good works” then you agree that "works" are needed for salvation. Thank you for finally coming to terms with your biblical ignorance.  Whew!

Additionally in your Devil Speak quote above, when you state that we cannot please Jesus as God, then do you use a black Sharpie to block out the following passages where the Christian is to try and please Jesus as God? Please answer in a cogent manner this time. Thank you.

“But just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not to please man, but to please God who tests our hearts.” (1 Thessalonians 2:4)

“When a man's ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.” (Proverbs 16:7)

“And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.” (1 John 3:22)

Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.” (Hebrews 13:16)

With your Devil Speak ungodly posts, you jump around like a fart on a hot skillet in trying to rewrite the bible with your subjective interpretation and opinion.  Again, it is no wonder why you tried to keep your PRESBIE division of the faith hidden!!!  

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR QUOTE: "God made the wolrd in billions of days"

To make a statement like you did above, you obviously can show us the godly evidence to your claim! Therefore, provide the BIBLICAL EVIDENCE of your assertion.  Thank you.

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

Just think, our Jewish Jesus God created our entire solar system IN ONE DAY!!  "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day." (Genesis 1:3)

Praise Jesus' handiwork for sure!

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TRADESECRET,

YOUR QUOTE:  “Do you think angels have souls? If so, what biblical reference do you use?”

Let me use your quote in return, we are talking about animals, NOT angels, get it?



AGAIN, YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE REGARDING THE FACT OF NEEDING A SOUL TO ENTER HEAVEN:   Yes, I agree with those words, but they refer only to humans. My point was that I am not sure that a soul is required to get into heaven, when you are not a human. This topic is about animals. 

It matters not whether an animal (Pet) has a soul or not, therefore, what part of the following passages WITHIN THIS THREAD didn't you understand regarding animals, aka, pets, will be Heaven bound upon their demise? Huh?  

“Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD.” (Psalm 36:6)

“And ALL FLESH shall see the salvation of God.'" (Luke 3:6 )

“Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 )

Tradesecret, now wipe the egg from your face once again in front of the membership, but don't HIDE, because I am not done with you!



YOUR NON SEQUITUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO NEEDING A BLAMELESS SOUL FOR HEAVEN:  “Yes, and this certainly applies to humans, the question is what about animals or angels, gee or even God. Does God have a soul? And if he does not, then you by your logic have said that God cannot go to heaven. Duh! 

Save your non-sequiturs for your equally dumbfounded FAKE Christians, understood?  The serial killer Yahweh/Jesus is in Heaven to begin with before He made His JEWISH Creation, therefore your child like stance of asking whether God needs a soul is comical, and where you don’t have enough sense to feel embarrassed about your nondescript sophomoric statement  Laughable!



YOUR SQUEAMISH RUNAWAY IN SHOWING THAT YOU ARE A FISH OUT OF WATER IN THIS FORUM: “That may well be easy to show. But not by you and not by the dumb things you continue to say.“

You only perceive them to be dumb things, but in turn, these statements directed towards you are biblical AXIOMS that you either cannot address, or where you run away from them with your continuous barrage of child like inept statements!  I understand that you cannot stand your ground in these scenarios, because your perceived knowledge goes wanting and does not allow you too!  Priceless admittance on your part! Thank you!


YOUR LIE ABOUT YOU REWRITING THE BIBLE: “Not once have I rewritten the bible. You need to demonstrate otherwise. It is your assertion and I deny it.”

Quick to the point to save you further embarrassment again, when you proffer CONTINUOUS subjective and wishful thinking statements like: “I take it means that a place we go …”  “but this also probably means that the earth we live ……” yada, yada, yada, and then expound upon your subjective opinions as actual scripture, of which they are not, THEN YOU ARE IN FACT TRYING TO REWRITE THE BIBLE,  GET IT, MINION OF SATAN?!  H-E-L-L-O?

YOUR OUTRIGHT LYING QUOTE ABOUT YOUR SATANIC CHURCH: “I am not ashamed of my church. Nor is the Presbyterian Church hell bound.”

Then why did I have to pull teeth to get an answer of what church affiliation that you belonged to?  Why did you continually hide from it in our previous discussions, where you even admitted that if you told me, I would use it for “canon fodder” against you!  This alone gives credence to your church having aspects worthy of embarrassment!  Priceless admittance on your part!

Therefore, you not only were embarrassed about your PRESBIE church, in which you should be, but you could not defend it as well that goes directly against Jesus' words! "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)  How utterly embarrassing for you once again in front of the membership and the eyes of Jesus! (Hebrews 4:13)


YOUR LYING QUOTE IN YOU BELIEVING THAT YOU DID NOT COMMIT THE UNPARDONABLE SIN:  “I have not committed the unpardonable sin. You are ignorant of the doctrine and that was demonstrated in our last discussion that you ran away with your tail between your legs. 

No, I am not ignorant of this doctrine, and I did not run away, where you perceived that you were not guilty of this act IN YOUR COPY AND PASTE vain refutation.  I gave you direct BIBLICAL axioms in why you have committed the Unpardonable Sin that easily buried your copy and paste laughable refutation. Therefore, your existence upon this forum is all for naught because you blasphemed Jesus the Christ within His Triune Doctrine, of which YOU RUN AWAY FROM THIS FACT as continuously shown by you!  

Seriously, it truly pains me to show you to be the most bible ignorant FAKE Christians on DebateArt Religion Forum, and at the same time, you actually THINK you’re a Christian, NOT! What did I expect from a PRESBIE mind set? LOL

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TRADESECRET,

Continued at your laughable expense again >>>>>>>>>>>>>

TRADESECRET,

Your problem is the fact that you think everyone else is as bible ignorant as you are, which is shown not to be the case by me and others on a continued basis. You continue to show DebateArt that you are vying to be the number 1 bible ignorant FAKE Christian on this forum, bar none! In essence, you are who you pretend to be.


YOUR RUNNING SCARED QUOTE: “I never said pets. I mentioned animals. I am surprised you understand the word metaphorical given it is more than two syllables.”

Barring your running scared child like ad hominem, and unfortunately for you, I do understand the term “metaphorical” at the expense of your ineptness again where you obviously didn't understand the term by viewing your out of context quote.  I mentioned PETS because this is the gist of the thread by ludofl3x, GET IT?  Therefore I left out animals to differentiate us from pets because humans are animals, GET IT?  

You left out the FACT that you were made the continued fool in using the term “metaphorical”  in your ever so wanting inept statement.  I wonder why? It’s because Jesus and I own your bible ignorance and lack of English understanding by using the term "metaphorical" in a wrong way as shown! Whoops,  LOL!


YOUR RUNNING AWAY QUOTE: “Irrelevant to respond to the next two paragraphs and they don't add to the topic.”

Are you to SCARED and EMBARRASSED to respond to Jesus’ 2nd coming and His bloody ramifications thereof regarding His horrific MURDERING of none believers on earth? Huh?  Why am I not surprised that you would RUN AWAY from this scenario, especially with you being a FAKE Christian to begin with, who now puts his little boy fingers in his ears as shouts; “la la la la la la la, I don’t want to see this about Jesus being a serial killer, la la la la la, I don't want to talk about this, la la la la! la  I am being made the bible ignorant fool again la la la la la la!

Continued at your laughable expense again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Tradesecret,

Addressing your comical and bible ignorant post #31.

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #5   "I am not sure that you require a soul to be in heaven."

TRADESECRET, you must like the taste of your feet, because you continually remove one foot to insert the other on your every wrongful notion relative to the bible!  Priceless stupidity on your part that you do not fix for some reason.

“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28). 

As the inspired words of Jesus state above, if one needs a soul to be completely destroyed in Hell, then one most certainly needs a soul to enter heaven, HELLO, anybody home today?!


“Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

As shown explicitly in the above passage, one needs a blameless soul along with a spirit and body to enter Heaven at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christs eventful return. 
Tradesecret, wipe the proverbial egg from your face once again. :(




YOUR JUST IGNORANT QUOTE ALTOGETHER: The bigger question for you however is - would you want your pet to go to heaven if you are not going to be there?

Are you alluding to the fact that ludofl3x will not be going to our 1400 square mile Heaven with its 65 foot high walls? Huh? What do you know that ludofl3x doesn’t?  Yes, Jesus’ salvation is faulty to the core because Jesus admits that only a few will make it past the Pearly Gates. (Matthew 7:13-14, Matthew 22:14)



TRADESECRET, if I can be “Frank” with you, and you can remain the Bible ignorant "Tradesecret," it is easily shown by you that you are a fish out of water within this Religion Forum.  You Satanically rewrite the bible ad infinitum, your wishful thinking is synonymous with “ I want the bible my way, instead of Jesus’ way.” You are still ashamed of your church affiliation, where I do not blame you in being a Hell bound PRESBIE!  You have committed the Unpardonable Sin in its TRUE meaning. Therefore, have you ever thought of residing in a Children’s Christian forum where you will be more at home with your biblical ignorance, equal to the mind set of equally dumbfounded Christian children relative to the bible?

Listen, I truly feel sorry for you, therefore, I found a Children’s Christian Forum for you to try out, okay? Don’t worry if the “kids” know more about the bible than you do at the start, but hang in there where you may catch up to them, okay?  You're welcomed.

KIDS CHRISTIAN FORUM FOR TRADESECRET:
https://christianforumsite.com/threads/childrens-devotional.26761/


SHORT PRAYER:  " I am sorry Jesus, but the Bible buffoon Tradesecret has returned after my bible beating that I administered to him  in our link regarding your condemning entire cities to dreadful deaths in Hell. As you can plainly see, Tradesecret must have had enough time off to heal from my patent pending Bible Slapping Technique that I learned from you, praise!  Therefore, since he is still healing, let's give him a chance before we lay the Bible Slap Down on him once again. Thanking you in advance Jesus, praise!"

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Tradesecret,

Addressing your comical and bible ignorant post #31


YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE #1:  “Yet, I think there are many examples of animals in heaven, even if they are metaphorical only”

By the definition of being metaphorical, then they wouldn’t be the known "pets" but something else that cannot be a "pet," get it? Huh?  When regarding many example of "pets" in heaven, they cannot be symbolic for the sake of its previous owner wanting to see them in their earthly natural form upon their arrival to Heaven.  Understand?   ................  Can anyone loan a Logic 101 Book to Tradesecret???!



YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #2:  "The Angels in Revelation come from heaven riding on horses for instance." 

Yes, they most certainly do ride horses, where your blatant biblical ignorance has to end at this point.  Tell the rest of the story, where these angels are following the serial killer Yahweh/Jesus of the Triune Doctrine,  that you still deny exists at the expense of laughter towards you!  Therefore, upon Jesus’ 2nd Coming in the book of Revelation, He is riding a white horse with a sword in His mouth, followed by 2 million angels to brutally murder none believers on earth with plagues, fire, torturing them for 5 months with beasts with scorpion tails, and other horrific ways to murder them. Way to go ever loving and forgiving Jesus the Christ, praise!

Subsequent to the brutal murders that Jesus enacted, and while Jesus is wiping the blood from his garment, then the true believers that remain will hold a party and give gifts to one another. We can only wonder in what gifts they will give to each other; maybe some anxiety pills to their brethren to help them calm down after watching Jesus brutally murdering His creation as mentioned above that did not believe in Him? Yes? (Revelation chapters 1, 9 and 11)



YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #3:  "I take it means that the place we go to when we die today will not be the same heaven that God is making new. but this also probably means that the earth we live on today will be not be the same - but that there will be a new earth."

Your quotes of “I take it means that a place we go …” but this also probably means that the earth we live ……”  are laughable wishful thinking child like notions and are NOT biblical absolutes which Christianity must be built upon!  Obviously your PRESBIE church allows you to make up your own meaning to bible narratives, where once again, you are guilty of the following passage:  “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (2 Timothy 4:3). YOU WILL NOT DISPARAGE CHRISTIANITY WITH YOUR SUBJECTIVE SATANIC WISHFUL THINKING, UNDERSTAND, MINION OF SATAN?!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE #4:   "Other religions seem to spend their time finding ways to make God happy - or to appease him or some miracle way of getting to heaven." 

Your hypocritical stance is duly noted once again at your laughable expense. Whereas the following passages shows that you were wrong once again, in that you are to make the serial killer Yahweh/Jesus happy and to appease Him. What’s new with your bible ignorance? NOTHING!

“But just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not to please man, but to please God who tests our hearts.” (1 Thessalonians 2:4)

“When a man's ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.” (Proverbs 16:7)

“And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.” (1 John 3:22)

Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.” (Hebrews 13:16)

TRADESECRET, you can remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN! LOL!!!

Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

You childishly state to Harikrish that he was just "incorrect" without you giving the reason why?!  You can no more defend the Bible than a flattened crow on a Texas back road!  Therefore, just follow this passage below to save yourself any further embarrassment, do you understand?  

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR ADMITTING AND REVEALING QUOTE: Stop this blashpemy against the Lord

YES, I agree with you, when are you going to stop blaspheming Jesus the Christ by calling Him a LIAR in Luke 3:6 and Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 with you disagreeing with His inspired words in what the passages state in your post #20 saying "no no."  Listen, you are already going to Hell upon your demise because of committing the Unpardonable Sin before, so why ad more gasoline to the fire?

You continue to remove one foot to insert the other at all times! Priceless.

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR LAME QUOTE: you have nothing to say

HUH?  With your embarrassing modus operandi here on DebateArt, you now admit that you are blind as well to my post #21!

Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

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Harikrish,

YOUR THOUGHTFUL QUOTE: "Ethang5 is a slum dweller, should Christians be helping him?"

There is no need for fellow Christians to help Ethang, this is because he can help himself through prayer where Jesus stated: "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, BELIEVING, ye shall receive.” (Matthew 21:22)  KEY WORD: "believing," which triggers the prayer in a direct absolute manner, as none other than Jesus so states. If a Christian like Ethang does not get their prayer answered, then the onus is put upon them because they obviously did not believe enough! 2+2=4.

I remember using my patent pending Bible Slapping Technique upon the ever so bible ignorant Ethang awhile back, where he had to run for cover and hide in the name of Satan. Nothing has changed.

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR QUOTE TO MY POST #21:  nah

WHAT?!  Thats it?  No explanation from you other than another RUNAWAY statement regarding you calling Jesus' word as LIES in Luke 3:6 and Ecclesiastes 3:19-20?!  As if your misunderstanding in your post #14 wasn't enough embarrassment, now you are calling JESUS A LIAR!

Do you see why your presence on DebateArt is all for naught? Huh?  Your bible ignorance is always in competition with other equally dumbfounded FAKE Christians like you, but yet, you perceive yourself as a Christian?  SURELY YOU JEST! LOL!

Doc Frank, after this ungodly act of yours, you should start smelling sulfur! I am so sorry, where Jesus is certainly making plans for you upon your Judgment Day because of your insolence towards Him while you were on earth.

Please, for the sake of your further embarrassment, remain silent, okay? Thanks. "Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues." (Proverbs 17:28)

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin, 

Instead of always giving a non-answer answer, explain why you stated "No, No" to my post $19!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR OUT IN LEFT FIELD QUOTE: "John 4:16 doesnt say that"

I know it doesn't, BUT JOHN 14:6 does like I stated in my post!  HELLO, anybody home today?  :(

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“And ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God.'" (Luke 3:6 ) ALL FLESH includes our pets!

“Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) 

Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

With me, since your moniker includes "C&P," for Copy and Paste, can you at least separate the paragraphs to make it visually more readable?

As I am sure you are aware, heaven will be 1400 square miles with 65 foot walls, therefore since animals never knew Jesus, they will not be in our glorious heaven.  Jesus thought of this by not letting the animals know of Him (John 14:6), good move Jesus, where we didn't need millions of Elephants roaming around our limited space in Heaven, praise!  

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Harikrish,

Well, why am I not surprised about the minion of Satan, TRADESECRET, being an ungodly sexual deviant?  Add to this the fact that TRADESECRET is a Presbie, and you have one of the most ungodly combinations known in the religious world!

Unfortunately for TRADESECRET, Jesus and I will now Bible Slap him silly once again because of the aforementioned facts shown above, to the point where he will once again find an excuse to leave DebateArt for another timely vacation to save further embarrassment. Then, if TRADESECRET comes back subsequent to another Brother D. bible correction beating in the name of Jesus, then he will be Bible Slapped again in even further godly embarrassment!

A QUICK PRAYER:  "Jesus, I know you are reading this post (Hebrews 4:13), therefore, get ready to give TRADESECRET another round of your TRUE words showing TRADESECRET the outcome to never even think about passing your Pearly Gates upon his earthly demise, but instead, you will pull the lever to the trap door of Hell when he arrives before you upon Judgment Day.  Praise your murdering revenge upon the sinners like TRADESECRET that keeps sinning, when he knows it is wrong to do so!

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Harikrish,

Talk about "Alternative Facts," where the king of this scenario is the Satanic bible rewriter TRADESECRET, where I had him turning into a pretzel in him trying in vain to rewrite the Bible to his way of thinking to make Jesus a nicer God, but when fully reading the Bible in a literal manner without any of TRADESECRETS insidious crystal balls or decoder rings of subjective interpretation, Jesus is a real SOB!  What did we expect from a Presbyterian like TRADESECRET?

Don't forget about the strong evidence, and the lack thereof, of Nazareth not even existing at the time of Jesus the Christ, where the term "Jesus of Nazareth" falls flat upon its face. Nonetheless,  I still have to believe in Christianity because of its afterlife of a 1400 square mile Heaven and 65 foot walls, that we hope will keep the Presbyterians out, praise!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

You are as dumbfounded regarding the Bible as the "Satanic Rewriter Of the Bible, TRADESECRETS!"  I have already severely Bible Slapped you upon this topic before, remember?  You perceived to have won the debate because your friends voted for you that had absolutely no idea as well of the true historical understandings of when biblical passages were written, and of what the ancient Hebrews accepted in how their earth was viewed, and that was they thought the earth was FLAT and a FLAT circle!

Ancient Hebrews of Jesus' creation accepted the following link in how their earth was constructed, GET IT???!

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Stephen,

YOUR BIBLICALLY IGNORANT QUOTE: " Example: Jesus raised the dead? No he didn't raise the literal dead."

As shown ad infinitum, you are as biblically ignorant as TRADESECRET, where you are still grasping for straws in trying to disprove Jesus' higher powers. The scriptures that you and TRADESECRET try and rewrite as minions of Satan, state with specificity Jesus did RAISE THE DEAD as our serial killer Jewish Yahweh God incarnate!

Subsequent to one of the most bible ignorant FAKE Christians on DebateArt having her Satanic ass handed to her, we can only wonder when TRADESECRET will "tip toe" out to bring Satan to the forefront again?  Understandably, she has to take some time off to lick her wounds inflicted upon her by the Brother D., but when will she have the nerve to represent Satan once again? Most assuredly, Jesus and I will be waiting for her, praise!

When you think about it, TRADESECRETS'S MO and lack of biblical knowledge, and where she tries in vain to rewrite Jesus' true words, acts like a Presbyterian, which is one of the most disgusting and comical divisions of Christianity that there could ever be!  Yeah, that's it, TS has to be a PRESBIE!!! No wonder she didn't want to tell us which church affiliation she follows!  OMG, how embarrassing.

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YOUR CHOSEN GOD CONCEPT QUOTE: I mean... the God you are referring to created everything in the Universe according to Genesis. So yeah. 

Okay, so you are referring to Yahweh/Jesus/Spirit of the Trinity Doctrine of the Christian faith. Why did you choose this god over the many others in the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages?  I was hoping that you were going to pick the King of All Gods, ZEUS, but instead you picked Yahweh/Jesus who was a brutal serial killer of His creation in its historical writings, of which being a TRUE Christian, I have to accept this fact.

When you purported “outside the universe,” then do you want to take that notion back for another because outside of what is known is Metaphysics where there can be no objective facts, and at the same time you want to use science? Correct my confusion.



When you state there is no proof of proving or disproving your chosen god, this is in fact COIN FLIPPING!  Either Yahweh/Jesus/Spirit exists or not! GET IT? Huh?


YOUR QUOTE: “Just because something has never been discovered before doesn't mean that it can't possibly exist."

I am sure you’ve heard this one before, if your chosen God concept cannot be determined to exist or not under Agnostic pretensions, then in turn, at your laughable expense, Tooth Fairies can possibly exist as well. Wait, it gets better, Lepreachauns cannot be counted out as well in possibly existing under your quote shown above.   Here lies the comical rub when one is a “fence sitter” Agnostic.  

Tradesecret the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

AGAIN, what did't you understand about my previous post?

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janesix,

Get help with your obvious drug problem, if you want to be a TRUE Christian, enter a program that will help you with your ungodly addiction.

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)

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Tradesecret the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

WHAT PART OF MY LAST POST TO YOU DIDN’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

I WILL REITERATE ONE MORE TIME!

Your ungodly presence as a minion of Satan within this forum is embarrassing to Christianity and the TRUE followers of the faith!

Look back at your disparaging posts towards Jesus, where one of them is the fact that you don’t know if He was born into sin or not (Post #111), where Christianity is built upon absolutes and not “maybe’s” from the FAKE Christian Tradesecret.  

You are too scared and embarrassed to state your church affiliation because that would give me “cannon fodder” to use against you as you admitted (Post #98) which shows that your church is open to embarrassment!  Priceless admittance on your part! You couldn’t even individually refute the many biblical axioms that state you are guilty of being embarrassed about Jesus and your church (Post #76). The biggest irony is the fact you claimed I attacked you in an ad hominem way, where in fact, Jesus attacked you in this manner with His own words! Priceless. (Post #78)

You have committed the Unpardonable Sin in its TRUE DEFINITION of Blasphemy towards Jesus the Christ, along with me using biblical axioms to back up this absolute claim. You on the other hand used a comical copy and paste ruse from an equally ignorant FAKE Christian like you (Post #107), whereas it was weak as a kitten and laughable. You never refuted the listed claims of mine individually, proving you guilty of blasphemy towards Jesus and committing the Unpardonable Sin, but instead, you ran away from them as usual (Post #76).

You claim that Jesus is God, but then state He is not the God in the Old Testament where it is shown that Yahweh/Jesus murdered innocent fetus,’ babies and children. Obviously you haven’t heard of the adage, “you can’t have your cake and eat it too.” If there is only 1 God as the Bible so states (1 Timothy 2:5), then Jesus is the God of the Old Testament within the Triune Doctrine! GET IT?

You question Jesus being born of Mary, and then try and weasel out of this claim using child like refutations, whereas your direct quote is: “Yet it seems he must have been if he was the true child of Mary who herself had inherited original sin.” GUILTY! If you used the correct syntactical sentence structure, it should have been stated: “Yet it seems ‘H’e must have been because ‘H’e is the true child of Mary.” Understand???

Between all of your embarrassments shown above, which is only a FEW OF MANY, along with you comically positing that the universe would stop operating if Yahweh died on the cross, your total disrespect towards Jesus as shown. (Post #112), and a “plethora” of other disgusting posts towards Jesus, you make the TRUE Christian like myself sick to their stomachs! 

Tradesecret, your problem is the fact that you don’t realize in how ignorant you are regarding the Bible because you are swallowing the doctrine of your obvious Satanic church which goes nameless, and you don’t have the sense to feel embarrassed about this fact so you could maybe change direction to save yourself further embarrassment.

As I stated, Jesus wants me to “bird dog” you in this forum so as not to Satanically spin doctor His words like you have done thus far, therefore be prepared in the future where I will continue to easily Bible Slap silly in the name of Jesus!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

I am so sorry to report that you are still on the "back burner" in being the most dumbfounded bible ignorant FAKE Christian upon DebateArt Religion Forum! This is because, and blatantly shown in this thread, TRADESECRET still holds first place over you and a few others.  To regain your title as number 1, the best way that you can do this, is just to act natural, okay? 

Listen, I am hoping that you can be proud in being number 1 again real soon.

Praise Jesus!

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Well, as usual, another FAKE Christian named Tradesecret has bit the dust along with HER cohort in crime, SATAN, because in what SHE thought SHE knew about the bible, SHE really didn’t. What did we expect from a second class woman as the bible so states ad infinitum with the inspired word of Jesus?

Tradesecrets “standouts” of being one of the most ungodly bible ignorant spin doctors of the scriptures, in being a FAKE Christian, are when I Bible Slapped HER silly when she blasphemed Jesus by questioning His birth through Mary! SHE Satanically said “If" he was the true child of Mary” in HER post #97. Barring HER disrespect for Jesus once again by not capitalizing Jesus' pronoun "He" in HER quote, yes, it is hard to believe that SHE used the word “IF!" Jesus was born from Mary!   BLASPHEME!

Subsequent to HER embarrassment shown above, and to try and save face on this matter when SHE knew SHE made a drastic mistake, was HER trying so hard to weasel out of HER predicament in HER post #114, where you will view one of the most revealing and lying exhibitions a fake Christian could ever make!  

Another sorrowful situation that Tradesecret is in at this time, is the blatant fact of HER committing the Unpardonable Sin!  HER excuse that SHE didn’t commit this act, was copy and pasted from another equally dumbfounded FAKE Christian spewing forth nonsense on this topic.  Whereas I gave direct logic and reason that SHE did commit the Unpardonable Sin in my post #112, all vouchsafed with biblical axioms and using the true definition of Blaspheme against Jesus the Christ. 


Another standout is Tradesecrets shame in that SHE could not tell us HER church affiliation. This shame obviously tells us that her church was open to severe embarrassment to begin with, where SHE still remains in HIDING of this embarrassing fact.   2+2=4.

In any event, you get the picture of Tradesecret being a minion of Satan while on DebateArt. With me only showing a few OF MANY embarrassing situations for poor ol’ Tradesecret in this thread, nonetheless, in prayer with Jesus last night, He adamantly wants me to continue in showing just how bible ignorant Tradesecret is in subsequent threads!  I told Jesus that I was proud that He picked me again as His bird dog in this ever so easy endeavor of showing TRADESECRET to be the bible ignorant fool in the future, praise Jesus!

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YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE: "Funny thing is, Africans, in Africa, still lead more productive lives than someone who has nothing better to do than to create hateful diatribes on a platform almost nobody ever reads or listens to. Is that reflective of your self-worth"

Have you been given the forum monitor position in what is to be discussed, and what is not to be discussed?  

You state that no one ever reads or listens to this platform, but obviously you did in being able to respond to it! 

Listen, if biblical truth of being able to own slaves is not conducive to your enlightenment and well being, then just move on to save yourself any further embarrassment of engaging upon this topic, okay? You can thank me later.

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Tradesecret the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

YOUR SCARY QUOTE IN POST #77: “I preached from this passage recently - in the past 12 months - and was referring to commentaries and a book on word pictures.”

With all of the embarrassing and contradicting statements against Jesus you have made within this thread, you have the nerve actually preach to others as if you knew what you were biblically talking about?!  Are you kidding?!  Please, for our sake, tell the membership at DebateArt that your existence on his forum is just a ruse, where you are just pretending to be a Christian as a parody, okay? This is because myself and others have shown you to be one of the most  biblically ignorant FAKE Christians on DebateArt! 

Tradesecret, relative to your ungodly presence upon this forum, and as Jesus once stated, you represent Satan by questioning Jesus’ birth and other biblical axioms relating to Jesus, therefore,  " BE GONE SATAN, ......."  (Matthew 4:10).

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Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,


YOUR GOBBLY GOOK QUOTE OF INEPTNESS IN POST #109: “Seriously! Is that the best you can come up with? I was positing an argument? Not making a statement of proposition. I have no doubt about Jesus' parentage.”

Tradesecret, there are times within these religious forums where the FAKE Christian like you has been caught in an embarrassing situation, and therefore tries in vain to come up with an excuse to bow out of said situation like you are so desperately trying to do as shown above.  Your obvious scared wording as shown is trying to ward off the poo that you have stepped in once again. Sorry, it will not work because of the fact of “syntactical sentence structuring and word meanings.”  

Your embarrassing gobbly-gook aside, in your “look over here, instead of looking at my blatant mistake in using the word “if” in my explanation of questioning whether Jesus was the true child of Mary, the conjunction “if,” means “used to discuss the imaginary result or effect of something that did not happen or that is or was not true,” UNDERSTAND? Therefore, when you erroneously state;  I have no doubt about Jesus' parentage,” YOU BLATANTLY LIED to the membership here on DebateArt as explicitly shown herein!


Listen up Tradesecret, you can play these lack of understanding of the syntactical sentence structuring of a sentence and word games with your equally ignorant of the English language friends, but you will NOT do this with me, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I will continue in correcting your drastic lack of understanding of the English language, along with your blatant biblical ignorance!



Show within the bible where Jesus, as the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, states what you proposed, where He does not judge upon a 20th century grammer book in showing Him respect?  Barring the fact of your continued misspelled words where it is "Grammar," In turn, when a TRUE Christian like myself capitalizes the pronoun “He,” we are showing respect towards Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, whereas you don’t give a damn, and then you want to be called a Christian?  NOT! 

I have a great concept for you to help you take away your FAKE Christian status on DebateArt. Why don’t you follow the bible for a change and capitalize Jesus’ pronouns as this passage implies, GET IT BIBLE FOOL? “I give thanks to you, O Lord my God, with my whole heart, and I will glorify your name forever.” (Psalm 86:12)  He, His, Him are pronouns that are relative to Jesus’ NAME that are to be glorified as the passage so states, UNDERSTAND? HUH? MAYBE? YES?


YOUR TRYING IN VAIN TO LOOK INTELLIGENT QUOTE IN POST 109: “The Greek was written entirely in Capital Letters - why are you disrespecting God by not writing everything in Capital letters? Oh it must be because you disrespect God. Don't get distracted by pathetic and stupid arguments - lets talk real stuff - substance. “

Showing respect to Jesus as Yahweh/God incarnate of the universe is “Real stuff and substance” towards Him and Christianity, you bible ignoramus fool for Satan!!!  
TRADESECRET, what a pathetic example of a Christian you represent, why are we not surprised since your Satanic Church is the teacher of your Devil Speak!  Don't worry, I will follow you around to correct your insolence to Jesus the Christ by making you the continued bible fool that you are, you can count on this fact in Jesus' name!

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Tradesecret the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

Your totally embarrassing outcome to your pathetic post #108:


BROTHER D QUOTE TO YOU:  Your simple-minded quote above shows without any doubt that you are too embarrassed about your church and how they represent Jesus the Christ, and where your Satanic church is obviously as ignorant of the bible as you are.  The adage of “like attracts like” rings true with you and your Satanic church, because your blatant misconceptions relative to the bible are obviously taught by your churches Devil Speak!

YOUR CHILD LIKE RESPONSE IN DEFEAT:  “Whatever!”


BROTHER D. QUOTE TO YOU:  Additionally, you remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN with your admittance that if you did tell us your church affiliation, then you would provide cannon fodder and material for any astute TRUE Christian like myself, or an Atheist, to bury you in further embarrassment, therefore admitting that your church is open to embarrassment!  THANK YOU VERY MUCH TRADESECRET FOR ADMITTING THIS TACIT INFORMATION! PRICELESS!  LOL!!!!

YOUR CHILD LIKE RESPONSE IN DEFEAT:  “Whatever!”

Finally you are realizing that you cannot fight against godly logic and reason regarding the FACT that you continue to HIDE from the obvious embarrassment that your church represents, otherwise, you would have told the membership of it’s name by now to save further embarrassment!  

Upon this topic, you have thrown in the towel of defeat, well done Tradesecret!

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Tradesecret the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

YOUR WASTE OF TIME QUOTE REGARDING YOU COMMITTING THE UNPARDONABLE SIN!, #107: “   It is clear you do not understand the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. If you recall from Matthew 12 the context is a healing of a demon ……..blah, blah, blah, blah ………. possessed man. the crowd asked "can this be the messiah"? The Jewish leaders said "he does this by the prince of demons”…blah, blah, blah, blah blah … Their words obscured the real truth which was that the Spirit of God was Jesus' source of power and this implicitly meant the kingdom had come. He had tied up ……. …… blah, blah, blah, blah ……… the strong man and was taking hold of his possession, proving ….. blah, blah,  blah b blah ………….forgiven including anything said against Jesus, (which is what you accused me of) but anyone who speaks against the Spirit of God will …………. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ………..verses discussing good fruit and bad fruit and how they reveal a good tree or a bad tree. His point was the healing of the demon possessed…. ……. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah …………….. Spirit but certainly he warns them to be careful for this was close to doing it. They could see what was going on and were afraid for their position and power. Jesus…….. blah, blah, blah, blah …………Jesus totally relied on the Holy Spirit in all things. Hence, your spurious and false allegation comes to nought. On the other hand, you need to heed Jesus warning ……. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ………..condemned.” - reckless and careless words do matter. 

Whew! You can thank me later in shortening your embarrassing non sequitur spin relative to the UNPARDONABLE SIN that you have committed!



BLASPHEMES:  the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; sacrilege, irreligiousness, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, impiousness, ungodliness, unholiness, desecration, disrespect;



1. You sacrilegiously slap Jesus in the face by taking the sacred thing of Jesus birth and questioning it with your Satanic quote of: “IF” Jesus was born through Mary…” therefore you are calling the birth narrative of Jesus in Matthew 1:18-25 AS A LIE!   

2.  In an absolute sense, you really don’t know if Jesus was born with original sin or not! You embarrassingly keep wavering back and forth upon this topic as shown in your post #97 and others.  In the name of Jesus, quit showing irreverence to Jesus and make up your mind in an absolute sense for Christ’s sake!
3.  You blatantly deny our Jesus as a man AND as Yahweh God incarnate in your Satanic post #5 and others as well. Therefore, you have disrespected Jesus as God of the bible and being a serial killer, because of your Satanic churches doctrine that you have erroneously swallowed to the contrary!

4.  You blatantly HIDE from telling the membership in which church has fed you your wrongful Satanic doctrine where it thinks Jesus is just a man, whereas, the bible teaches that Jesus was man AND Yahweh God incarnate in many verses and narratives that you are obviously unaware of, which in turn you show  irreverence towards Jesus the Christ AS GOD! No wonder you don’t want to expose your Satanic church!


Therefore, since Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate in the flesh, as many biblical passages so state at your expense (1 Timothy 3:15-16), then the Holy Spirit entity of Jesus’ Godly Triune, WAS BLASPHEMED BY YOU!  Now, you can sit here all day and night and try to weasel out of this biblical axiom, but I will show you more verses and narratives o embarrass you once again in the fact that JESUS IS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE! 

Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

THE FOLLOWING IS YOUR COMEDY OF ERRORS AND CONTRADICTING QUOTES REGARDING THAT YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW IN AN ABSOLUTE SENSE WHETHER JESUS WAS BORN INTO SIN OR NOT! PRICELESS SATANIC ENTERTAINMENT AT YOUR EXPENSE! IN YOUR POST #106:

“I have clearly indicated that I believe Jesus is without sin”  

“I think it was possible that Jesus as Man could have sinned”

“Not contradictions. one describes the actuality. the other a possibility.”

“Just because Jesus possibly could have sinned does not mean that he did.” 

“In fact we know he did not - which means he, unlike Adam, overcame the temptation of sin. If it was not possible for Jesus to sin, then his overcoming of sin would give Christians no comfort that they too are able to overcome sin. It is pretty basic Christianity 101.”

“I don't believe that original sin means he was with sin.”

“But was he born with original sin? Probably. I am not sure.”

“ Yet it seems he must have been if he was the true child of Mary who herself had inherited original sin.” 

“Jesus as man inherited original sin.” “Jesus as God did not inherit original sin”. “Original sin is not the same as sins.” 

“Your problem, I think, is that you are unable to properly provide an adequate understanding of the Humanity of Christ. Until you can explore this - these things will remain troublesome for you.” 

“It is encouraging that you have a developed view of Christ's deity. Yet, your theology will remain skewed until you explore Christ's humanity, a doctrine which is absolutely vital for the Christian church and proper understanding of the atonement.” 


Tradesecret, I know, QUIT LAUGHING at your myriad of your NOT SURE statements above!  With your nonchristian like comical wavering upon Jesus being born into sin or not goes against Jesus’ inspired word once again,  to wit: “The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.” (Psalm 119:130). 

The simplicity that is supposed to be found in the Bible imparts understanding, and as said, even to the simple, like Dr. "C&P" Franklin. Conversely, the TRUE Christian is supposed to render Jesus’ words in a simple manner in its understanding as well, GET IT? Therefore your embarrassing attempt to accomplish this notion falls drastically short of it’s goal with your wavering gobbly-gook mish-mash shown above, and for that, you are made the bible ignorant fool once again!

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Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

YOUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO JESUS BEING YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE, POST #105: “ Close but not correct. Jesus as man is fully man. When Jesus died on the cross, GOD did not die. Otherwise - the universe would have died along with GOD. You cant have it both ways. God cannot sin. God cannot tell a lie. God cannot die. Jesus as man did die. We know that. Yet Jesus as God did not die. Yes, another one of those apparent contradictory matters. 

When Jesus is just a man, as you wrongfully state, whereas the Bible shows Jesus was a human man AND GOD, is the reason that you remain so confused and dumbfounded.  You are WRONG once again when you use your tired out ruse of “God cannot die, Otherwise the universe would have died with Jesus (God)." Firstly, Yahweh/Jesus DID NOT DIE AS A TRUE SACRIFICE because He arose on the 3rd day, AND, the universe was already set in motion by Jesus in following the laws of physics whether Yahweh/Jesus was gone for 3 days or not!  In a TRUE SACRIFICE, the person REMAINS DEAD, like in WWII, understood?! Here, let me use your own words against you, obviously you don't think things through and just believe things in blind faith!

Do you see why you are shown to be one of the most biblically ignorant FAKE Christians on DebateArt? The reasoning and foundation behind this FACT is that you are following the Satanic doctrine of your embarrassing church that you don’t want us to know about, for obvious reasons, where as blatantly shown, it is operated by Satan Himself! 



YOUR SATANIC AND EMBARRASSING DENIAL QUOTE: “Firstly, it is your god who is called "serial killer Yahweh God", not mine. My God is the God of the bible.” 

NO BIBLE IGNORANT FOOL!  The God of the Bible is Yahweh/Jesus as God incarnate of the Trinity Doctrine definition,  therefore Jesus is the serial killer God as shown in the Old and New Testaments!  TRUE Christians like myself accept this fact.  If you don’t runaway, I will make you the continued biblical fool in the near future upon this topic as well, okay? I would suggest that you acquire a lot of extra underwear when this happens, so hang on, its going to be a bumpy ride for you!  Don't "chicken out," agreed?