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Tradesecret,

YOUR ADMITTING QUOTE TO YOUR WRONGDOING:  "Thanks for the compliment. "

Although to you it may be comical, but upon Judgment Day you will severely pay because of your Satanic church feeding you with such ungodly notions throughout your togetherness. 

I can't keep count of the biblical passages of which you are guilty of, therefore, let me add one more to the ever growing list: 
"Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness." (John 3:4)

Harikrish,

YOUR REASONABLE AND GODLY QUOTE: "Will curry be close enough?"

Curry would be a starter to let Doc Frank know in what our loving and forgiving Jesus' Hell will be like, whereas the curry would be a precursor to let him know what experience he will have for eternity upon his earthly demise.

“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8) Praise Jesus' revenge!

Good call, Garth!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

I am not personally conducing a competition on which FAKE Christian in number 1 at this time, but as shown to date, subjectively TRADESECRET is way ahead of all FAKE Christians as being #1 at this time because of his blatant blaspheme against Jesus in the thread below on page 4 and above! It is truly hard to believe the Devil Speak that spews from his Satanic mouth that is directed from his church!

Doc Frank, listen, Jesus will always have a special place in His heart for you as always being in the top two of the most blatantly ignorant FAKE Christians on DebateArt!  Therefore, you should be proud, but unfortunately, it will be at your expense upon Judgment Day. :(

Are you starting to smell sulfur yet?

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Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

Hmmmm, we can't help but notice that you were silent to me saying that you have undoubtedly committed the Unpardonable Sin in my post #92! It must be "sinking in" by now, isn't it? You have blatantly gone against Jesus so many times, that I have lost count, where one of the standouts was questioning Jesus' birth through Mary in whether it was true or not in your post #97!!!  BLASPHEME!

You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit of Jesus' Triune Doctrine though your Satanic churches teachings, therefore your existence upon earth is just a waiting game for your demise, and hence, your one way E-ticked ride to depths of the sulfur lakes of Hell! 

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Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Chrisitian,

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN POST #97: “I think it was possible that Jesus as Man could have sinned.”

Just where in the Hell do you actually stand upon this topic? Whereas, you continually CONTRADICT yourself ad infinitum, as shown once again in your embarrassing post #97!

“I have clearly indicated that I believe Jesus is without sin” 

“I think it was possible that Jesus as Man could have sinned”

^^^^^ BLATANT CONTRADICTION!^^^^^

Then you further embarrassed yourself in front of the membership with these quotes below!
“But was he born with original sin? Probably. I am not sure. Yet it seems he must have been if he was the true child of Mary who herself had inherited original sin.”

TRADESECRET, you have yet to explain through your Satanic church in why you don’t think Jesus' original sin, as Yahweh God incarnate, is actual sin. We TRUE Christians need some laughter, therefore, can you explain your churches Satanic position on this topic?  Nonetheless, original sin was IMPOSED UPON JESUS AS GOD whether it is original sin, or regular sin, where again, SIN IS SIN! UNDERSTOOD? HELLO? (See EXHIBIT #1 in post #101 for the explanation of Jesus' Triune Doctrine)


YOUR SCARY QUOTE IN YOUE POST #77: “I preached from this passage recently - in the past 12 months - and was referring to commentaries and a book on word pictures.”

With all of the embarrassing and contradicting statements you have made within this thread alone, you actually preach to others as if you knew what you were biblically talking about?!  Are you kidding?!  Please tell the membership that your existence on his forum is just a ruse, a parody, where you are just pretending to be a Christian, okay? This is because myself and others have shown you to be one of the most  biblically ignorant FAKE Christians on DebateArt!  How can you sleep at night in preaching to others your outright bible gnorance that is taught by your Satanic church, whereas the only way that this could happen, is that your audience is as equally Bible ignorant as you are! LOL!


TRADESECRET, relative to your comical parody presence upon this forum, and as Jesus once stated, you represent Satan by questioning Jesus’ birth and other biblical axioms relating to Jesus, therefore,  BE GONE SATAN, .........” (Matthew 4:10).

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Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

CONTINUING WITH YOUR SATANIC POST OF WHETHER JESUS HAD ORIGINAL SIN OR NOT, #97: “I can say I don't know or I am not sure.” “ But was he born with original sin? Probably.” “Yet it seems he must have been if he was the true child of Mary who herself had inherited original sin” “I don't believe that original sin means he was with sin"

Your revealing quotes above shows us that the cows have finally come home and you admit that Jesus, as the aforementioned serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, was born into original sin! Therefore, original sin imposes that Jesus has sin upon Him, disregarding your comical ruse of the differrence of original sin verse regular sin, SIN IS SIN!  You can weasel your words until Hell freezes over, BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT JESUS THEREFORE HAS SIN UPON HIS BEING WITH ORIGINAL SIN, PERIOD!!!

JESUS IS GOD INCARNATE, EXHIBIT #1: Remember, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not names for different parts of our Christian God, but one name for God  because three persons exist in God AS ONE ENTITY. They cannot be separate from one another. Each person is understood as having the identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures, understood?  Therefore, Jesus as a man, is the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate!

JESUS STATED: “I and the Father are one.’ (John 10:30-33)  See Exhibit #1

“For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”(Colossians 2:9) This is speaking specifically about JESUS. Can it get any clearer that Jesus is God, any further questions, see EXHIBITI #1

PAUL STATED: “But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)  Without controversy, who was manifested in the flesh as our Christian God? You got it, Jesus!  See EXHIBIT #1



ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR DUMBFOUNDED QUOTES: “I totally agree that Jesus had to be pure to die on the cross for the sins of the world. Yet God did not die on the cross. Man did. Jesus as God could not sin. As Man it was possible for him to sin.”

Jesus is God that walked the earth, See EXHIBIT #1, then wipe the proverbial egg from your face once again.

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Tradesecret, the RUNAWAY FAKE Christian,

YOUR QUOTES REGARDING JESUS BEING BORN INTO ORIGINAL SIN IN YOUR POST #97:  “I can say I don't know or I am not sure.” “ But was he born with original sin? Probably.” “Yet it seems he must have been if he was the true child of Mary who herself had inherited original sin” “I don't believe that original sin means he was with sin"

Barring your wavering and embarrassing position on whether Jesus was born into original sin or not, you strike out with your Satanic Devil Speak quote herewith:  “If he was the true child of Mary….”   What did you just say?!!!

You have the audacity to say “IF” Jesus was the true child of Mary?!  As if we haven’t seen enough of your disgusting Devil Speak, you are now questioning whether Jesus was born from Mary with His godly attributes?!  Tradesecret, you are now calling the inspired by Jesus passage below as a LIE!  TOTAL BLASPHEME, YOU WILL PAY UPON JUDGMENT DAY!

“Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:” (Matthew 1:18-25)


Notwithstanding, you capitalize Mary’s name, but slap Jesus in the face AGAIN by not capitalizing His pronoun “he” in your statement.  You again show absolutely no respect for Jesus, and you seriously want to call yourself a Christian?! You are kidding, correct?!  Obviously your Satanic Church is teaching you these ungodly notions, where it is no wonder you do not want to tell us your Churches affiliation! LOL!

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YOUR EMBARRASSING AND REVEALING QUOTE REGARDING THE REASON YOU CAN’T TELL US YOUR CHURCH AFFILIATION, POST #98:  I didn't reply or address your #88 post because there was nothing of substance to address.  I reject your assertions that unless I give you my background details that I am running away or denying Christ. I have nothing to be ashamed of.  I honestly don't see the point of providing you with canon fodder. And material which is irrelevant to our discussion. 


Your simple-minded quote above shows without any doubt that you are too embarrassed about your church and how they represent Jesus the Christ, and where your Satanic church is obviously as ignorant of the bible as you are.  The adage of “like attracts like” rings true with you and your Satanic church, because your blatant misconceptions relative to the bible are obviously taught by your churches Devil Speak!

Additionally, you remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN with your admittance that if you did tell us your church affiliation, then you would provide cannon fodder and material for any astute TRUE Christian like myself, or an Atheist, to bury you in further embarrassment, therefore admitting that your church is open to embarrassment!  THANK YOU VERY MUCH TRADESECRET FOR ADMITTING THIS TACIT INFORMATION! PRICELESS!  LOL!!!!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR KNOWLEDGABLE QUOTE, FOR A CHANGE: "wow. Why not 50,000"

You are correct, I am underselling myself with only asking $5000.00!

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TRADESECRET, the runaway FAKE Christian,

Pssst, Jesus and I noticed that you are still too embarrassed to address the link below. Since my post #92 above is showing you to be a minion of Satan, maybe the both of you would be able to address the following post, okay?

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TRADESECRET, the runaway FAKE Christian,

 

YOUR BLASPHEMOUS QUOTE #90:  "Where did I usurp the Scripture or Jesus' authority? Firstly, I used the words "not sure" because I don't know. I said he was sinless because the bible clearly states this. Jesus was God Incarnate - but he was also FULLY man. As God he cannot sin - as man he must have been able to. Otherwise his claim to defeat sin is a façade." 

Listen up you biblically blasphemous fool, your ungodly term of “NOT SURE” in questioning whether Jesus was born in original sin or not, as the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, CAN NEVER WORK! How dare you even go further and say you “DON’T KNOW!”  Pay attention you Satanic Jesus questioner, when Jesus becomes God AND man, He has to be pure without any sin whatsoever, whether original sin, or any type of sin, because there had to be a pure and clean sacrifice on the cross to save mankind because it was God’s will, which in turn is Jesus’ will since he is God (Hebrews 10:7-10).  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE GODLY PREMISE. OR NOT?

Where did you get your assumed bible knowledge, out of a Cracker Jack Box?  I can’t believe that you are taking your unchristian like stance to the God of the universe and in front of the membership of DebateArt!


Then if you already haven’t removed one foot to insert the other again in positing that Jesus may have been born with original sin, then you explicitly state “As God he cannot sin - as man he must have been able to.” WHAT?!!!  You have the audacity to now state that Jesus as a man sinned???!  Where does your Satanic ways stop in disparaging Jesus as God of the universe?  PURE BLASPHEME!

JESUS IS WITHOUT SIN FOR DUMMIES, MOSTLY INCLUDING TRADESECRET:

“You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.” (John 3:5)

We have a high priest who was tempted in every point like we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15)

Yes, "he who knew no sin was counted as sin in order that we might become the righteousness of God." So he knew no sin.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)  

"He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.”  (1 Peter 2:22) 

“Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?” (John 8:46)

Your disparaging Devil Speak towards our Jesus has gone off the rails! As I have said before, you were obviously sent here from Satan Himself, therefore, what has Satan promised you in return for stating the ungodly things you have done about Jesus?  Has Satan promised you a cooler place in Hell when you arrive?  Maybe Satan will provide air conditioning as you stew in the sulfur lakes of Hell for eternity, is that it?

NOW WE BLATANTLY SEE WHY YOU DO NOT WANT TO TELL US YOUR DIVISION OF CHRISTIANITY, BECAUSE WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN BY YOU THUS FAR IN QUESTIONING JESUS AS GOD HAVING THE POSSIBILITY OF ORIGINAL SIN, AND BEING IN SIN AS A MAN, MUST BE PRACTICED BY YOUR SATANIC CHURCH THAT GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST JESUS’ WORD AS SHOWN!

In prayer with Jesus last night, we want to know when you are going to change your moniker to save further biblical embarrassment on DebateArt?  Anytime soon? Huh? You are a despicable excuse for a Christian, of which, you have already paid for this with committing the Unpardonable Sin, congratulations on your one-way E-ticket ride to Hell upon your earthly demise!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR QUOTE: "Where's the link for your school?"

You will get the link in question when you make your first $5000.00 payment through PayPal, understood?

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

Haven't you realized that you DO NOT have the acumen to discuss anything with me, understood? Now, save yourself any further embarrassment and remain silent to my godly threads, agreed? Thank you.

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Tradesecret, the runaway FAKE Christian,

YOUR EMBARRASSING CONTRADICTION IN TERMS QUOTE #79: "I don't hold to the view that Mary was sinless.  I am not sure that Jesus was without original sin. He was sinless of course.”

HUH?  WHAT DID YOU SAY?!  First thing, where do you get the authority to usurp Jesus' inspired modus operandi within the scriptures as Yahweh God Incarnate?  Then you Satanically claim that YOU ARE NOT SURE THAT JESUS AS GOD WASN'T BORN WITHOUT ORIGINAL SIN, AND THEN POSTULATE THAT JESUS WAS WITHOUT SIN, which is a blatant contradiction in terms, huh? Barring your comical ruse of the difference between original sin and earthly sin, You cannot have both sin propositions, and still posit that Jesus was without sin OVERALL, key word, OVERALL, understand?  Hello, anybody home today?  Does your biblically inept mind need further explanation again on your continuous Christian-Foot-in-Mouth-Disease, huh?


TRADESECRET, you are so guilty of the following Jesus inspired passage: “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”  (2 Timothy 4:3)

TRADESECRET, you were certainly sent here from Satan Himself, where you must be so proud!

As I have stated ad infinitum, I need to know your division of Christianity for me to continue A TRUE discussion about your blatant bible ignorance, understand YET?! Huh? Now, go and hide from your church affiliation, shhhhhhh, mums the word!  WWJD?

You just keep running away from your church affiliation because you are too embarrassed about it, and I will keep showing you to be one of the most biblically ignorant FAKE Christians on Debate

Has any Christian obtained any slaves of late since this post was initiated? 

Remember, our Jesus says that He condones slavery and can own slaves, and unfortunately, beat them as well, therefore can any Christian tell us their story in acquiring slaves, and how they did this godly act?  

What about getting a group of TRUE Christians together to head south to the US border and taking some of the ungodly illegals coming across said border and making them our slaves in Jesus' name?  Any Christian interested in this godly act? We could rent a cargo box truck for this event and split the costs, along with some Mexican food for them until we get them back to our property. 

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Stephen,

YOUR QUOTE: "Now now 'brother' , I have had warnings for using such acronyms as you well know, you have complained enough about them."

I have NEVER complained about your inept tactics of using profane words.  I want you to use them because it continues to show in just  how weak you are by having to talk in that manner! Therefore, please continue to your expletives as you try in vain to have cogent responses to the members of DebateArt, okay?  Thank you.

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Tradesecret, THE RUNAWAY FAKE CHRISTIAN,

YOUR PATHETIC LITTLE BOY DOUBLE COPY QUOTE: "No - what have I to be scared about. Why would I give you any opportunity to squirm out of discussing these matters - and give you information so you can attack me ad hominin? Because that is what you will do immediately you know my background - because that is how people like you think you can argue. You don't have an argument against my points - so you attack me or my church or my background. I wonder if that is what you will do?"

You are so inept regarding the Bible, you didn't have anything else to say in your embarrassment, other than your SAME LAME QUOTE from your last quote? Priceless!

TRADESECRET is calling my APPROPRIATE JESUS INSPIRED PASSAGES AS AD HOMINEN ATTACKS, even though they are 100% appropriate  to his embarrassment of running away from telling us which division of Christianity that he follows?! Are you kidding?! This action by the FAKE Christian TRADESECRET is very telling, where if the truth were known, what would his church think of him running away from it in embarrassment which admits that his church is open to embarrassment!!!  Priceless admittance, thank you TRADESECRET!  

This is probably the first time on DebateArt where a FAKE Christian like TRADESECRET whimpers in front of the membership that by using Jesus' TRUE WORDS against them, as I have shown below, are ad hominem attacks and is just not fair, boooo hooo cry baby, *sniff, sniff!"

TRADESECRET is obviously ashamed and HIDES from his choice of which church he attends, where he goes directly againt this Jesus inspired passage: "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)

TRADESECRET'S THOUGHT BUBBLE:  "I shouldn't be responsible in having to tell everyone my division of Christianity, but in turn, I can still attack others of different religions and divisions of their faith, so there, neener, neener, neener!  I can't defend my church of choice against the Brother D and others, so it is better that I remain silent to save what face I have left in this forum, even though it makes me look unchristian to my faith and church.  I will continue to throw out "smoke screens" to hide behind, because if I actually told this forum my church affiliation, they would probably laugh and make me the greater fool than what I am now, shhhhhh!  It is a good thing that no one knows who I am at my church on DebateArt because they would look down upon me by being too embarrassed to respect them and to tell others in what they represent!   'I am sorry Jesus, hopefully you understand that I can't defend your division of the faith, okay?"

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Tradesecret,

NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!

TRADESECRET IS TO EMBARRASSED TO TELL DEBATEART IN WHAT DIVISION OF CHRISTIANITY HE FOLLOWS, BLASPHEME!

TRADESECRET’S DISRESPECTFUL QUOTE TOWARDS CHRISTIANY AND JESUS, #70:  "No - what have I to be scared about. Why would I give you any opportunity to squirm out of discussing these matters - and give you information so you can attack me ad hominin? Because that is what you will do immediately you know my background - because that is how people like you think you can argue. You don't have an argument against my points - so you attack me or my church or my background. I wonder if that is what you will do? "

As shown above in one of the most embarrassing quotes a Christian could ever make in front of a Religious Forum, and in front of Jesus as well (Hebrews 4:13), is for TRADESECRET being to embarrassed to tell us in what division of Christianity that he follows! Unbelievable disrespect towards Jesus and his church!  

TRADESECRET is obviously ashamed and HIDES from his choice of which church he attends, where he goes directly againt this Jesus inspired passage: "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)

TRADESECRET goes against another Jesus inspired passage where his church must not be honorble, herewith: "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." (Philippians 4:8)

TRADESECRET is mocking Jesus outright because he continues to HIDE from telling us in what division of Christianity he follows, to wit: "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap." (Galations 6:7)

TRADESECRET cannot defend his choice of a church affiliation by not being able to follow Jesus’ words herewith: ”We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)

TRADESECRET obviously cannot hold firm to the trustworthyness of his church because he is to embarrassed to tell us what church that is: ”He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)


As I have explicitly and biblically shown, I have attacked Tradesecret upon his Satanic position of trying in vain to rewrite the Judeo-Christian bible to his unbiblical way of thinking. Now to make it even worse for Tradesecret, he hides behind one of the lamest excuses that most of us have ever seen, and that is not telling us in which division of Christianity he follows.  This can only surmise that he is to embarrassed to tell us, or he is hiding something that he cannot defend and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath! 

TRADESECRET, WHAT CREDIBILITY YOU HAD LEFT ON DEBATEART HAS PLUMMETED TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL AS YOU EMBARRASSINGLY TRY TO WEASEL OUT OF YOUR PARTICULAR ACCEPTANCE OF CHRISTIANITY! WE CAN ONLY WONDER IN WHAT YOUR CHURCH WOULD THINK BY NOT MENTIONING IT, BUT ONLY TO RUN AWAY FROM IT AND JESUS AS WELL!

TRADESECRET, DO YOU SMELL SULFUR YET? YOU ARE DONE, PERIOD!

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Stephen,

Shhhhhhhh, I have already applied enough proverbial egg upon your face for a lifetime regarding your blatant bible ignorance and perceived knowledge of Christianity, therefore, to save even further embarrassment, just STFU and you will be better off, understood?  Good.

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SkepticalOne,

YOUR QUOTE: "Both Zeus and Thor are part of the thunder-God archetype...but Thor can fly. Thor>Zeus"

I don't give a rat's ass if the wussy Thor can fly because ZEUS would beat the "bejesus" out of the candy-assed THOR because ZEUS' written history says he was the strongest of ALL gods, and that he rules over ALL gods! Besides, ZEUS in mentioned in our JUDEO-Christian Bible, therefore showing that our Christianity is truly real, praise! GET IT?

As an example, look at the STRONG image of Zeus in the link below:

Now, compare ZEUS' image to the anemic looking Thor's image in the link below:

Willows,

Regarding your family get-together, one of the off springs queried Luke 16:18, therefore the father had better never commit adultery because he would have to be murdered because the inspired word of Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, said so!!  

THE VERSE IN QUESTION: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (Luke 16:18)

THE OUTCOME OF LUKE 16:18: “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)

Harikrish,

WTF?!  If this is true that the biblically dumbfounded Tradesecret is a member of the UNGODLY DEMONIC PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, then it is no wonder he doesn't accept Jesus' true words as shown within the true scriptures, but instead, he tries to rewrite them as if they were spoken by Satan himself!

The Satanic PRESBIES have been reforming their pagan church since it's beginning in the mid 1500's, where they are still changing Jesus' true words today!  What Christian church have you heard of that accepts Gay Marriage, and still believes in Jesus the Christ where He said that all gays should be murdered and their blood shall be upon them?  Yes, the pagan Presbyterian Church, BLASPHEME!!!

Thanks for the "heads up," where since his biography page is as vacant as his mind regarding the Bible, I am sure he wouldn't have told me his particular division of Christianity being a Presbie because he is probably to embarrassed about it to have told me. What a joke.

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Tradesecret,

YOUR MOST REVEALING QUOTE RELATIVE TO FREE WILL IN YOUR POST #57!!!!!! : " I think free will is true"

Thats it!  You "THINK" free will is true?  You are NOT in an absolute state on this topic?!  When one "THINKS" it is true shows that they are in doubt! You are now DONE in holding any further discussion on the topic of Free Will because you showed your hand to all! LOL!

As explicitly shown on my godly free will topic, YOU DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, PERIOD!  Now, I told you before to take a Reading Comprehension Class so you won't be made the Bible fool all the time, remember?  Again I will give you an online class that you desperately need so as to not be so biblically ignorant!  

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Tradesecret,

YOUR INEPT QUOTE: “What did you prove? Did you prove Paul wrong? Seriously!So you don't believe that Paul's words are the words of God? You really have aproblem reading and understanding.”
Barring your horrific spelling and where you cannot separate words, conversely, don’t you believe that Timothys words are the words of Jesus as well when he stated that Adam was not deceived, but Eve was the one deceived and transgressed FIRST?  You are really making a fool of yourself in your posts of late!  LOL
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE MAKING WOMEN 2ND CLASS: “Adam committed the original sin as covenant head.”
I see, therefore this is the start of making women ruled by their husbands!  So this is where it started that women are 2nd class citizens, not only towards their husbands, but also in the eyes of Jesus since He created the covenant situation in the first place.  No wonder the bible treats women in disrespect!

YOUR CONTINUED BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Adam knew it was wrongto eat the fruit.
NO, he did not know it was wrong because HE HAD YET TO EAT THE FRUIT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE WHEN EVE HANDED IT TO HIM TO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG, GET IT?  ARE YOU THAT DUMBFOUNDED TO MAKE AN IGNORANT STATEMENT LIKE THAT? OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE!   Jesus H. Christ, why do you let yourself be made the bible ignorant fool all the time?


The bottom line is Eve ate the forbidden fruit FIRST, therefore she committed the original sin FIRST, barring any perceived notion of a covenant  where Adam HAS YET TO RULE OVER HER AT THIS TIME!!! GET IT? Original sin was initiated in the Garden of Eden, otherwise, why do they call it the "FALL?"
Besides, the original sin scenario was all a setup by Jesus as our Jewish Yahweh God incarnate because He created the serpent known as Satan in the first place and allowed it to deceive Eve, what a nice Guy, huh?  Also, in Jesus being omniscient, He knew beforehand that Eve was going to go against His command, and subsequently Adam as well relative to eating from the Tree of Knowledge! I am telling you, Jesus was a real schemer!  

Since the earth was void before the creation of man and woman, Jesus as God was seemingly bored, so He took his vindictive modus operandi out upon His first couple by knowingly having them initiate the original sin so He could place guilt upon them and their following earthly passengers!  Therefore, He now had something to do until the end of time, especially when Jesus brutally murdered His creation in the following years, praise!

TRADESECRET:   Since you are too SCARED to fill out a biography page, in what division of Christianity do you follow? Are you a Lutheran, Catholic, Baptist, JW, or?

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Tradesecret,

IN PART, YOUR LAUGHABLE AND LYING POST #55:  “You don't even believe in original sin so it is deceitfulfor you to suggest that Paul in the latter verse is attributing it to Eve.  Everyone noticed your running away.  Genesis and Paul were in accord with eachother.   Paul does not suggest Eve wasresponsible for the Original sin. He says Eve was deceived. Adam is responsible.’

To make it somewhat easier for you, I’ll address your blatant bible ignorance one topic at a time. You can thank me later.

How much proverbial egg can you withstand upon your face because of your traditional insidious wishful thinking and your total bible ignorance pertaining to EVE not initiating the original sin?  Don’t you realize the membership is watching your outright stupidity regarding this topic?

You comically stated that “He says Eve was deceived. Adam is responsible." Huh?  Read the passages below, therefore how can Adam be responsible subsequent to EVE eating the forbidden fruit FIRST AND FORMOST in initiating the original sin! Hello, anybody home today, obviously not! How utterly embarrassing for you once again!



"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.” ( Genesis 3:6))

2.  Who agreed that EVE ate the forbidden fruit FIRST and then gave it to Adam? Correct, it was Jesus with His inspired word!

“To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ (Genesis 3:17)

3.  Who agreed that Adam was not deceived, but EVE was the FIRST to be deceived and transgress in initiating the original sin?  Correct, it was Timothy!  

“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (1 Timothy 2:14)

4.  Who agreed with the aforementioned passages that EVE was the FIRST to sin, therefore being the originator of original sin?  Correct, it was Paul!  

“But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.” ( 2 Corinthians 11:3)
Satan only knows in how you can live with such stupidity relative to the JUDEO-Christian bible, where you fall to tradition over the centuries, instead of actually reading the bible yourself. You are an embarrassment to all Christians by calling Jesus’ inspired words herein AS LIES relative to EVE being the culprit to initiating original sin!   Rest assured, you will pay upon Judgment Day!  Does the Unpardonable Sin ring a bell? Yeah, it does!

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Tradesecret,

YOUR UNGODLY AND BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE ONCE AGAIN!!!!:  "I have asked the author to distinguish between first and second causes. He has not done it yet. I doubt he has the ability to understand and differentiate between the two. Yet, the bible clearly talks about both.  Like free will and determinism, both are laid out in the Scriptures side by side - I don't have to understand how they meet or don't meet. Sometimes this causes me pain in the brain - but mostly I ask myself - why is it necessary for me to understand these things. God is not a human that I could understand him. And if I could understand him, then probably he is not a god. "

You can relieve your pain in what brain you have left by understanding what I have stated to you before! FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST when Jesus is omniscient as explicitly shown in the passages below, therefore, why do you still make yourself dumbfounded to this biblical axiom?! HUH?

CHRISTIAN "FREE WILL" FOR DUMMIES: 
To the unbelievable ignorant FAKE Christians like Tradesecret that erroneously think they have “free will,” we don’t!   This is because of the simple concept that are Jewish Jesus is Yahweh God incarnate, and is OMNISCIENT, therefore He knows everything! (1 John 3:20). 

Jesus knows the minutest details of our lives in the past, present and future, for He mentions even knowing when you lose a single hair (Matthew 10:29-30).  Not only does our Jewish Jesus, as Yahweh  God incarnate, know everything that will occur with us until our demise (Isaiah 46:9-10), but He also knows your very thoughts, even before you speak them! (Psalm 139:4). FREE WILL? NOT!

Our Jewish Jesus, as God, even saw us in the womb, and being omniscient, anything less wouldn’t be the God of the Jews!  Jesus knew what we were going to do before time and when we are to die! (Psalm 139:16) “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)  Free Will? NOT!

Since our Jew Jesus omniscience prevails over our assumed actions, he has already determined in how we will act and what you will do IN THE FUTURE 24/7/365, and is basically the “Puppet Master” in pulling our strings as the “Puppet” to do what He wants, and not what we perceive to want! The Jew Jesus as God in being omniscient in even knowing whether we will be going to Heaven or Hell since the beginning of time!  Therefore, our wishful thinking of all of this forgiveness doctrine and other trite sayings of forgiveness is all for naught. (Proverbs 16:33)

“Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.” (Matthew 10:29-30)

“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.” (Isaiah 46:9-10)

“Oh Lord, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with ALL my ways.” (Psalm 139:1-3)

“Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.” (Psalm 139:4)

“Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written.  The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.” (Psalm 139:16)

“The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.” (Psalm 16:33)

TRADESECRET, CONTINUED AT YOUR EXPENSE ONCE AGAIN ……

YOUR INEPT BIBLE QUOTE REGARDING SIN:  "Jesus did not create sin. Sin is not part of the created order. It is something altogether different.  Can you send me a box of sin, please? Or tell its colour? Or what is smells like? Or how big or small it is? It does not fit into the visible categories - but nor does it fit into other categories. Sin is not a thing. Therefore it is impossible for it to be created.  

Barring your comical and unfounded speculation once again, when Jesus can create evil in the same vein as your comical notion of having no smells, color, etc., then Jesus can create sin as well. 2+2=4. 

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, AND I CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things." ( Isaiah 45:7) 

"Shall there be EVIL in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6)  

“For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.”  (Colossians 1:16) 

In the above passages, ALL THINGS includes the fact of EVIL AND SIN being created by our Yahweh/Jesus, GET IT?  Do you want to call Jesus a LIAR in the respect of the above passages? Yes?  Your bible ignorance, at your expense, is excused once again!  



YOUR DEFAMATORY QUOTE AGAINST JESUS: “I reject your assertion that because I did not use a capital in him that I have disrespected Jesus.”

The disrespectful mind and FAKE Christian like you would take your position in defaming Jesus by not capitalizing His pronoun name usage!  If you want to continue to slap Jesus in the face, then that is up to you! It is common and respectful to capitalize pronouns referring to our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, but to you it is NOT!  HOW DISRESPECTFUL TO JESUS CAN YOU GET, MINION OF SATAN!  

You are no more a TRUE Christian than the ever so biblically inept Dr. Franklin!

A FAKE CHRISTIAN, IF THERE EVER WAS ONE, QUOTE OF YOURS: “I have no reason to rephrase as I don't believe your incorrect assertions.  God is holy and just. He is compassionate and merciful.”

I understand that logic and biblical reality is out of your realm of thinking in being a FAKE Christian, that is a given, therefore you cannot accept through biblical axioms that our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is the following: greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent God!

Unfortunately for you, your type of MO towards Christianity is making you talk like a psychotic idiot in changing the above descriptions of our Jesus to just “Holy and Just! and "Compassionate and Merciful," laughable at best! 

 
YOUR UNSCHOOLED QUOTE AGAIN: “judgment is distinguished from vindictiveness. Judgment and just is logically and definitively impossibly incompatible with murder.

Seriously, your sophomoric Grade School antics are growing tired within DebateArt!  

MURDER:  to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice to slaughter wantonly.

Our Jesus killed the 1st born of Egypt, STOP.  Our Jesus, unlawful or not, did this act with premeditated malice, STOP. Our Jesus slaughtered wantonly, STOP.  The first born SHOULD NOT be in the equation of having to be murdered in the first place, because they were not responsible as INNOCENT BABIES for what Pharaoh did to displease Jesus, STOP. 

With you taking the position of the above scenario as just “Judgment” by Jesus, is why the churches are losing their followers, because no one after following your position can remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, understood?



YOUR LAUGHABLE AND IGNORANT QUOTE:  God sent Jesus to deal with sin because sin offended God's holiness.

Okay, let me get this straight, so, Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, sent Himself to deal with sin because it offended Himself as Jesus being God?!  LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Oh my, when will your biblical Comedy Act ever stop?!  Your laughable position is like Jesus looking skyward and saying: “Hello, are you there Dad, it's me, you!” Priceless!

Even though your bible ignorance, and rewriting of same, is without bounds, you do provide some great comedy at your expense! LOL!
 


YOUR EXTENDED BIBLE IGNORANCE:  There is a distinction between causing Pharaoh's sin and allowing Pharaoh to sin. Again it would be helpful if you googled - first and second causes which you seem unable to grasp.”

THE BOTTOM LINE IS JESUS IS OMNISCIENT, THEREFORE JESUS KNEW BEFOREHAND THAT PHARAOH WAS GOING TO SIN AND KNEW THAT HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO MURDER THE 1ST BORN IN EGYPT!  

I suggest that you reread my statement in the previous post that explains this in a very simple way, that is beneficial to your perceived intelligence. 



YOUR REVEALING UNGODLY QUOTE:  “these are all wonderful verses and each of them are totally consistent with my position.”

As usual with FAKE Christians like you, the chickens always come home to roost at the expense of you this time!  You stated with specificity that your ignorant and specutative rants were “YOUR POSITION!” We thank you for admitting that they are NOT God’s position, but they are yours! Case closed!


Shhhhhhhhh, we all noticed that you didn’t make a comment about your lack of a biography page AGAIN, where it is as blank as your statements within this thread.  We can only wonder in what Jesus thinks of you for not telling others in what division of His faith that you follow. Only Jesus knows in what you are running away from as you disparage His faith once again by remaining silent towards your bio page!  BLASPHEME!

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Tradesecret,

RELATIVE TO EITHER ADAM OR EVE BEING FIRST TO TRANSGRESS, YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE STATES: “So tell us is Genesis right or is Paul right?”  

Well, you are going to have to tell us in which way Paul actually believes when he states in Romans 5:12 that it was man (Adam) that was responsible for the original sin, BUT, then in 2 Corinthians 11:3, Paul states with specificity that it was Eve that was responsible for the original sin: “But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.” 

Tradesecret, I really don’t like to take the time needed for FAKE Christians like you in showing you that you are one of the most biblically ignorant Christians on DebateArt, and yes, equal to Dr. Franklin!  You are either going to step up your game to save yourself further embarrassment amongst the members, or gracefully bow out and remain silent in disgrace, understood?


YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE: “Yes you are. Of course, you show a very shallow understanding of the original sin.”

To be correct in the details of the various understandings of the Original Sin in Christianity, one has to know what division of the Christian faith that one follows. Since YOU ARE TO SCARED AND EMBARRASSED to fill out your biography page, I don’t know your particular division of Christianity, therefore it cannot be addressed because of your child like inability to even “try” to fill out your DebateArt Bio Page, understood?  You must be HIDING something, aren’t you? Only Jesus knows why you are too embarrassed to fill out your biography page!


YOUR EVER SO WANTING AND BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Oh dear, it is a problem admitting I don't know everything. (meep meep) Ok, unlike you, I don't put myself on the same level as God. I don't have an answer for all the problems and complexities of the Bible.

I am truly sorry that you admit that you don’t know everything regarding the bible, but at the same time, you proffer that you do!  It is ungodly that you admit that the bible has problems and complexities, which is pure Devil Speak!  Tradesecret, when you read the Bible it gives you simple understanding, where no decoder rings, or crystal balls are needed to understand its simplicity.  In the passage of Deuteronomy 24:16, that you are having an embarrassing time with, it simply states what it does, understood? “Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.” (Deut 24:16) 

Therefore, in using this passage that is inspired by Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, Adam and Eve could not pass on the original sin to their children and therefore mankind. Your Devil Speak apologetics on this topic may be entertaining to the equally inept of the Bible, but not for rational thinking TRUE Christians like myself, understood?   Remember one thing, even with your inept mental state relative to the scriptures, the main things are the plain things in the Bible and they are so simple that a young child can understand them.

Tradesecret, you are guilty of the following Jesus inspired passage:  “Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.” (Proverbs 30: 5-6)



MY GODLY INSPIRED QUOTE: “Jesus creating sin is most importantly a part of Creation being wholeheartedly connected to the Original SIN of Eve’s transgression.”

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE RELATIVE TO JESUS AS GOD CREATING SIN AT THE ONSET OF CREATION: “So you say, prove it. Sin is not a thing. It is not part of the creation. Paul tells us that sin was introduced by humanity. the only way around this is to admit Paul was wrong. Will you do that?

I did prove it in my previous post, whereas it must have been way over your head to comprehend its outcome. Since you state that sin IS NOT part of creation, then where did “original sin” come from subsequent to the fall of woman?


MY GODLY LOGICAL QUOTE: “At this specific time on the 6th day of Creation, no one knew about the concept of sin, EXCEPT JESUS SINCE HE IS OMNISCIENT AND KNEW IT WAS FORTHCOMING WHEN THE FALL OF MAN / WOMAN  HAPPENED!” 

YOUR SATANIC QUOTE IN RESPONSE TO MINE ABOVE: “The first people understood at this point that to disobey God meant death. It is inconceivable that they did not ask God what death was.  I am not persuaded that they did not understand the concept of sin. 

Oh my, where do I start with your unfounded perceived speculation to save yourself further embarrassment in front of the members of DebateArt?!  Firstly, it is not an absolute for A&E to ask Jesus what death was in anyway whatsoever!  Secondly, it is further not an absolute for A&E to understand the concept of sin, where you base your entire arguement upon PURE SPECULATION, where we are looking for absolutes like in other passages, understood? Huh? Maybe?

SIDEBAR:  Tradesecret, when are you coming out with yet another New Testament, where you will bring in your subjective opinions on how it should have been, where you are Satanically adding to Jesus' words to save FAKE Christians like yourself from further embarrassment?  Can I get a signed copy when you do, okay? Thank you.

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Harikrish,

Doc Frank obviously has a "death wish" to have committed the UNPARDONABLE SIN against Jesus in calling Him a LIAR as shown in this thread.  Then when your facts about Doc Frank come to the forefront about him calling Jesus those despicable names, then it is a given that Doc Frank put the last candle upon the proverbial cake in what happens to him upon his demise where HE IS HEADED FOR THE SULFUR LAKES OF HELL UPON HS DEMISE because of committing the Unpardonable Sin for sure!!!!  

So many FAKE Christians like Dr. Franklin act as though they can have their cake and eat it too relative to acting anyway they want, BUT, that is not the case with the horrific UNPARDONABLE SIN where you only get ONE CHANCE in not committing it!

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

You answered my post #39 in a non sequitur way in stating that I am an assumed Atheist, therefore taking the limelight off of you because you are now realizing that you committed the dreadful UNPARDONABLE SIN against Jesus by calling Him a LIAR!  I am truly sorry for you now, of which, the only way out for you is to leave Christianity altogether as just a myth. therefore the Unpardonable Sin really does not exist anymore.  GET IT?

If you continue to be a FAKE Christian, then I can't even pray for you, because nothing removes the UNPARDONABLE SIN!  

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Harikrish,

Yes, your well detailed discourse regarding Mother Mary and Jesus is embarrassing.  You are preaching to the choir on this proposition, and what makes it more embarrassing for me as a TRUE Christian, is the following biblical facts:

Christians have to biblically accept that when Jesus is considered to be the Jewish Yahweh god incarnate, as many Trinitarians believe, then Jesus “Celestially Impregnated” his own mother in an “incestuous way,” not only to be her son, but his own father as well. This is barring the Hebrew Tradition that since Joseph was not the paternal father of Jesus, then Jesus would be considered to be a bastard child. This embarrassed poor ol’ Joseph so much, that he wanted to divorce Mary to save face. “Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly” (Matthew 1:19) 

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin, 

How does it feel now in knowing that you have committed the dreadful UNPARDONABLE SIN since you blatantly disagree with Jesus in condoning slavery, where in turn, you are calling Him a LIAR?!    Do you now realize that no matter what you do from this time hence, is meaningless relative to Christianity? 

The lot has been cast in your behalf with absolutely no way out in calling Jesus' Holy Spirit a LIAR!  “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:31-32)

Doc Frank, I am truly sorry for your future demise where you will be swimming in the the sulfur lakes of Hell for eternity. All I can say is, "Shit Happens!"  :(

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR WRONGFUL QUOTE AGAIN: "It's a parable"

It is truly unbelievable in how FAKE Christians like you like to relive their blatant bible ignorance!!!  LOL!

To prevent you from making a complete bible ignorant fool of yourself in not truly understanding what this thread explicitly teaches, I want you to join one of the "Reading Comprehension" online classes listed below:

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SkepticalOne,

What is more embarrassing for me as a TRUE Christian, and barring that there is no real evidence of the Exodus, is the blatant fact that my Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, let the Israelites wander aimlessly FOR FORTY YEARS rather than letting them proceed directly to their destination of the "Promised Land!"  You would think that in fleeing from the enemy, in hot pursuit of freedom, they would want Jesus to allow them to reach safety as soon as possible!

Unfortunately like I have shown ad infinitum, my Jesus can truly be a real SOB at times!  :(

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "Again, I shut it down temporarality for my other projects"

Your "other projects" must include you learning how not to remove one foot to insert the other all the time while on DebateArt Religion forum!

Good for you, but thus far, this proposition is not working, sorry.

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Alec,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "Jesus condemning innocents to hell is one reason why I am not Christian."

Not only does my Jesus condemn His Jewish creation to Hell, but as I have shown, while His Jewish followers are on earth, He horrifically murders them with Floods, Plagues, etc., and orders His Jewish followers to murder others in His behalf!  This is what truly takes my faith to the edge at times.

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOUR QUOTE TO JESUS CONDONING THE OWNING OF SLAVES, AND BEATING THEM: "No"

WHAT?! Are you kidding?  Oh, I understand, even though the passages in question in the New Testament, as shown in this thread, states with specificity that Jesus does condone slavery and the beating of slaves, you just can't accept this biblical axiom, therefore you have to erroneously say no, it is not true!

We get it, but that separates a TRUE Christian like myself that "has to accept Jesus condoning slavery" and a FAKE Christian like you that has to call Jesus a LIAR in Him not condoning slavery.

Hmmmmm, calling Jesus a LIAR is Blaspheme and committing the UNPARDONABLE SIN!  Sorry Doc Frank, you are now Hell bound upon your earthly demise, all because you have now called our Jesus a LIAR in going against His "Spirit" part of His Triune!!!!!

How sad.  :(

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Dr. "C&P" Franklin,

YOU FINALLY ADMITTING THAT JESUS SAYS CHRISTIANS CAN OWN SLAVES: "okay"

PRAISE!  You stated "okay" to my post #29 that states that Jesus condones the ownership of slaves! 

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Dr. "C&P Franklin,

YOUR QUOTE: "Yeah!, get him"

As you can readily see, Tradesecret is a pussy cat, and could no more defend the Bible than you could!  Are you two brothers, since Tradesecret is as dumbfounded of the Bible as you are!  LOL!

NEXT?

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Tradesecret,

CONTINUED AT YOUR EXPENSE AGAIN:

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Tradesecret,

CONTINUED AT YOUR EXPENSE

YOUR DISRESPECTFUL QUOTE TOWARDS JESUS:  “I am amused that you think that using a small letter in a pronoun is likely to incur the wrath of God on me and yet you seem to have no trouble defaming and lying about God.” 

I am equally amused that you take the position of slapping Jesus in the face again by disrespecting Him in not simply capitalizing the pro-noun “His.”  Furthermore, you Satanically take the position of not calling Him by His name!  Our God’s name is JESUS, as Yahweh God incarnate, and not God, like you call Him because this reference is a “title” like president, whereas, the word Jesus is His name, do you understand?

As a TRUE Christian, I have absolutely no trouble in calling Jesus out when He turns into a serial killer of innocent fetus’, babies, children, and where He turns into a brutal abortionist in the book of Hosea.  Notwithstanding, His penchant for condoning slavery and the beating of slaves in the New Testament writings. Unfortunately, you are guilty of the following inspired words of Jesus/Yahweh/Spirit: "Respect everyone, and love your Christian brothers and sisters. Fear God, and respect the king.” (1 Peter 2:17) You respect the KING which equals Jesus, by using His name!


YOUR SICKENING DICHOTOMY QUOTE: “I am pleased that God is not only just and holy but also compassionate and merciful.”

Tradesecrets, why are you so scared to rephrase your Satanic quote above to state the truth? Biblically speaking, it should read ; “I am pleased that Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, is not only a blatant serial killer of innocent children, and where He caused abortions, and condones slavery and the beating of slaves, but also is compassionate and merciful” (Bro D 12:45)


YOUR INEPT QUOTE REGARDING THE BIBLE:  “Would you care to define vindictiveness and how it relates to the death of every firstborn son and animal in Egypt?”

Since it is embarrassingly shown that you cannot use a search engine to find the meaning of the word “vindictiveness” like I did in answering your previous comical post, the term VINDICTIVENESS simply means: disposed or inclined to revenge; vengeful: a revengeful spirit. Understood? Yes? Maybe?

In the bible narrative of Pharaoh, our Jesus took out revenge upon him by blatantly and wrongfully murdering innocent 1st born children that knew not of what Pharaoh did to displease our serial killer Jesus until they were brutally murdered. Notwithstanding, Jesus also murdered the innocent 1st born of all animals in Egypt to add to the frosting of being a vindictive God. You can insidiously call it Judgment all day long until you are blue in the face, but the end results was murder, plain and simple, without any further sickening apologetics that makes using the term Judgment as being psychotic!  Jesus was MURDERING THE 1ST BORN OF INNOCENT CHILDREN THAT KNEW NOT OF PHARAOHS ACTS THAT DISPLEASED JESUS = VINDICTIVE JESUS THE CHRIST, PERIOD!


YOUR “HANGING” QUOTE: “God's judgment on Egypt was not simply because God was upset with Pharaoh.”

Okay, then what was the additional reason that Jesus was upset in this scenario? Don’t leave us “hanging” for your deceiving apologetic rendition of an answer, the suspense is too much, tell us!!!  WAITING!


YOUR COMICAL AND STEPPING IN THE PROVERBIAL POO QUOTE, AGAIN!: “God did not cause Pharaoh's sin. When the bible talks about Pharaoh's heart being hardened - this is not God making him do something - it is God allowing Pharaoh the freedom to do what Pharaoh wants to do.  The word in the Hebrew is akin of "letting go of restraints". Prior to this time, God has been preventing Pharaoh from doing what he wanted to do. He had been holding him back as it were. Hence there is not a sense of vindictiveness in this story. “

Jesus most certainly allowed Pharaoh to sin because Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, and not by chance, decides what happens in human affairs “The lot is cast into the lap, but it's every decision is from the LORD.” (Proverbs 16:33)  


Then to further embarrass your bible ignorance  you have the audacity to proffer the following, to wit: “When the bible talks about Pharaoh's heart being hardened - this is not God making him do something - it is God allowing Pharaoh the freedom to do what Pharaoh wants to do.”

WRONG!  HELLO?  In addressing your latest child like Bible Babble Banter of yours, Pharaoh DOES NOT have the freedom of what he wants to do or not do, because Jesus is omniscient and knows beforehand in what Pharaoh will do at any given time! Therefore, Pharaoh DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL  but he is only a puppet that Jesus is operating to His wants by being omniscient!

Jesus being omniscient and knowing first hand in what Pharaoh will do is dealing the death blow to your perceived knowledge of Pharaoh’s having free will, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?:

“In whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.” (1 John 3:20)

“But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.” (John 6:64)

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).


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Tradesecret,

First and foremost, before I easily and unfortunately Bible Slap you silly again in front of the membership here at DebateArt because of your misinformed position upon our Jesus’ true modus operandi within the scriptures, it must be mentioned that you are either too embarrassed and not capable in truly filling out your biography page yourself, or you need help from someone else to fill it out for you.  Maybe you could ask the equally dumbfounded of the bible, Dr. “C&P” Franklin to help you, where this scenario could turn into one of the funniest FAKE Christian Comedy Teams ever produced!

The biography page was included by DebarteArt for a purpose, and that was to inform others about the members information and acceptances that may make a foundation for their beliefs, or the lack thereof.  When one doesn’t fill out this page like you have not done, it speaks volumes in what you are hiding to save further embarrassment.


In any event, lets bring forth your continued bible ignorance for all DebateArt members to see once again

YOUR QUOTE CONTINUING YOUR BLATANT BIBLE IGNORANCE: “Romans 5:12 clearly states that sin entered the world through one man (not God). (“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned)

Tradesecret, first off, your complete bible ignorance has no bounds!!!   NO, it was not Adam as a man that transgressed first to give ONLY the future Jews Original Sin!  It was Eve that transgressed first to initiate the Original Sin!  “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (1 Timothy 2:14). To prove that Eve was the cause of Original Sin, and NOT Adam as you laughably proposed, our Jesus gave Eve pain in child bearing and her husband was to rule over her! (Genesis 3:16). This was the onset of women in the bible becoming second class citizens, of course, you already knew this fact.

Barring your embarrassing bible ignorance as shown in the above biblical examples, you are still having a hard time where Deuteronomy 24:16 states: “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.”  Therefore, your Romans 5:12 passage is moot to my godly Deuteronomy 24:16  passage because Adam and Eve sinned first, and since Deuteronomy 24:16 states that children ARE NOT to be put to death for their Fathers sin, in the manner that Jesus said if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge, then Adam and Eve’s children are without Original Sin, and subsequent children as well, HUH?  Therefore the Original Sin only applied to Adam and Eve????!



YOUR QUOTE CONTINUING YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE:  “God is not the author of sin. Nor is he the creator of sin. Sin is not part of creation. Sin is not a thing. Sin is defined as that "which falls short of a defined standard". It is impossible logically for God to fall beneath his own standards. Sin is error. God is perfect. Surely you have read that God is perfect? “

Let me go as slow as possible so you will not make any more embarrassing statements drawn from your insipid Satanic Apologetic Books upon this topic, okay?  Jesus creating sin is most importantly a part of Creation being wholeheartedly connected to the Original SIN of Eve’s transgression. HELLO, ANYBODY HOME TODAY TRADESECRET?!  Within the sixth day our Yahweh/Jesus/Spirit God created Adam and told him not to eat from the tree of knowledge or else he would die. (Genesis 2:15)  

NOW, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION, READY?  At this specific time on the 6th day of Creation, no one knew about the concept of sin, EXCEPT JESUS SINCE HE IS OMNISCIENT AND KNEW IT WAS FORTHCOMING WHEN THE FALL OF MAN HAPPENED!  STOP!  Now, did Adam know of sin? NO!  Did Eve know of sin? NO! Did the animals know about sin? NO! All of these bible characters only knew about not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge or else they would die. They absolutely knew NOTHING about sin, period!!! 

Hmmmmm, therefore, who was left in being the last entity to know about the sin scenario since Jesus was Yahweh God incarnate and was omniscient in knowing all things? WHY YES, it was the omniscient Jesus the Christ, the creator of the Jewish people's race over all other races upon planet earth, just following His inspired word in this passage: "For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him." (Colossians 1:16 )

WAIT! The passage above includes the notion of sin being created by Jesus’ omniscient modus operandi, therefore Jesus created sin! 2+2=4 again!