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@Rational- both those links take me to David Zayas imdb. Neither has any backstory on the character he plays as Sheriff Aguirre, neither contains those quotes. I'm left again wondering where you are pulling this from?
Did you just Google "sherriff Aguirre bloodline quotes" ? Lol cause when I googled that this link was the first and it contains the second quote.
Two links down i click on this link, and it's the first quote. Breh you do understand fishing for quotes does not mean reading the script, right?
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Ok now were those quotes in suspicion? Where is the link to the site you pulled that from. Was it singular quotes, or pulled from the entire script? If the entire script, what season, what episode, what page?
He is a cop closely tied to John who doesn't know he killed Danny. Is clearly the 'good guy' in the cop unit that John has to keep lying to to keep cover. It's obvious to me.
To me this makes it less likely he would be anything but a naive cop. The show, and the game seems to, center around Danny's death. Aguirre is otherwise fooled. That last quote seems to be Aguirre telling John to relax. That paranoid quote looks sus, but it could not be, just as the second quote could be sus.
I'm gonna need to read the script around these two quotes before I can judge that. They lack context, an important part of discerning the meaning of speech in a conversation. If you could pass along the link to the scripts of the episodes these are from and the page they are located on that'd be great.
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Town = characters who are trying to figure out the truth of Danny's death
Or not being involved with it too i suppose. Though so far all present claimed characters have had some direct involvement with investigating Danny's death. Something law enforcement seems unaware of being non-accidental as the trial seems to revolve around Marco's killing and the framing of O'Bannon for Marcos murder.
Kevin goes to see Marco to tell him that John killed Danny; Marco responds that John, Meg, and Kevin are all going to prison. Kevin murders Marco.
Following Diaz's murder, seeks Roy Gilbert's help to cover up the murder. Gilbert engineers a plan that frames O'Bannon for the murder, but Kevin nearly loses his life in the process. The impending trial creates further rifts within the Rayburn clan
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If there is a framer its prolly Roy Gilbert as thats the actual instance of person X being framed for Y crime. Not making it appear as an accident(the covering up of Danny's death.). John fits with Janitor/GF fmpov. Kevin fits with Janitor. Gilbert with Framer. Robert potentially could be GF because he looks "innocent" for most of the show to outside observing characters, but the reveal that he almost beat Danny to death was a huge show reveal and rightfully implicates him as a root cause of what eventually lead to Danny's death. Consider that at one point John tells Danny, "you were a fuck up before Sarah." As in, though Sarah's death is a valid reason why Danny might otherwise have suffered emotional trauma, he was a screw up beforehand, justifying John's intrinsic hate for Danny.
But unbeknownst to John, Danny had been beaten near to death by Robert(now dead.). Something that presumably is what's eating away at him in season 3.
John is increasingly consumed by guilt for Danny's death
As that was post Sally's huge reveal about Roberts behavior and how Danny was almost beat to death as a child. This kind of information more than reasonably seems to be what would cause someone who think they did the right thing(John) to realize otherwise and be torn asunder by that realization. Particularly in terms of killing ones own brother.
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And this is exactly why I think editing should be seen as no issue...
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Woops link to the previous posts quote box. You'll find that at the end of the season 2 synopsis.
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Rational, the "script" is the storyline...
And actually yes, you do have to show that considering there is nothing on Aguirre in any synopsis and his character background is blank on the wiki. What are you basing it off of that Aguirre would be exactly the character that would be cop if in the show?
If it's "easy" to piece together, it should be easy to explain and source. Broswer history, go back to the article(s) you saw this evidence, and just effing show it man.
@Drafter- Its true Rational has been certain there is a framer. Does Rational not usually act as if his word is gospel? It's pretty clear he thought John was framer based off synopsis like this
The three decide to cover up the murder by moving Danny's body. John eventually sets a boat on fire to create an explosion that would frame Danny's death. Unsatisfied with what she is told, Sally turns to family friend and retired detective Lenny Potts to privately investigate the matter
Note, cover up = janitor
Frame = framer (though not really because nobody in specific was framed. It was "framed" as an accident from an explosion.
But it's interesting to note that even if he is reading the script, his own claimed character seeking out your claimed character is shortly after Danny turns up dead.
The more claims that come out, and the more I look up this show, the more the theme pattern here seems to be mafia = who killed Danny/helped hide he was. Town = characters who are trying to figure out the truth of Danny's death.
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@drafterman
Well, the question was why I didn't out it to begin with. My inno is on Danielle.
Given the guilty was already on you when you claimed an inno result, I figured that lynching you is SoP was already present and clear at the time. In retrospect, that was too much of an assumption to be making.
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@drafterman
Btw, thoughts on RM/Hammer scum team? RM has been consistently disgenuinely presenting analysis on the show. He claims his character is the main character. He claims 1x cop doesn't fit with Lenny Potts. Neither of these is true.
Then him saying Sheriff Aguirre fits with cop and is exactly the character he'd expect? How is that given he says he hasn't seen the show and has just researched it. Aguirre's backstory is not available on the wikia, Wikipedia, or Imdb from what I've seen. So what exactly is he basing that Aguirre is exactly the character who would be cop, if in the game? Why not Marco? Why not Lenny Potts? Why not any of the other law enforcement officers?
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@drafterman
Understanding that is generally true, we are lynching either you or Hammer. Hammer has a guilty in you so SoP would actually be we get ur result then lynch you. You hiding ur inno is pointless given that.
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@drafterman
Could be Earth was cop, but maf didn't get full PM, just role+character, hence why thus far Hammers PM matches with zero others regarding it's total lack of reference to anyone other characters and backstory. Even if Earth wasnt cop, the claim Hammer made is legit scummy AF if nobody elses PM corroborates with the structure of his claimed PM. So far no other person has corroborated that.
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@drafterman
True, as i said it very easily could be I'm looking too closely into it. You should be outting your inno. Cop + 1x cop + inno child, is a bit OP unless flavored fmpov.
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However being DP2 im not sure Drafter as mafia would make a mistake like saying he has multiple results after only 1 NP.
Fix'd. I wonder if this may be a bus. Hammer is sus AF. Him claiming cop with guilty being at L-1 is not an out of left field notion. It's blatantly obvious he hasn't been closely paying attention to the game in saying analysis of Drafters PM shows he is scum for the same reason I think he's BS'ing. But Drafter hadn't claimed fully yet, so what PM analysis?
Hammer is scummy AF. With a janitored claim, it's possible Earth was cop. In fact given that with janitors you don't always recieve the entire role pm, sometimes all you get is role and maybe character. Hammers claimed PM being different would be in-line with maf not receiving the full PM from the janitor.
Drafters response to it has been sus too. And if all he has is inno(s?) results then he should have outted them right away. Him or Hammer are getting lynched today. The idea of John being framer seems less then solid. The "framing" that happened in the show was failed framing regarding Kevin killing Marco. They(3 siblings) tried framing someone else and failed, thusly Kevin is in jail awaiting trial.
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@drafterman
How do you have multiple results as a 1x cop AND it's only NP1? "They are inno" as in, multiple.
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Im sus of how drafter said he is 1x cop but says he has "reaults" and that "they" are inno. As in plural, as in not one-shot. It could have been a mistake in relaying like I made with relaying the wrong character. But unlike where Danny is mentioned in my PM(hence why I confused Danny as being my character instead of Nolan).
However being DP2 im not sure Drafter would make a mistake like saying he has multiple results after only 1 NP. Think this may have been mistaken communication.
Tbh inno child fits more with a 1x cop than a full fledged cop. But perhaps instead of one or no cops, there are multiple cops with flavors?
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Literally the first link when you search "Lenny Potts bloodline"
Lenny Potts might be one of the only honest people on this whole damn show. A former detective and friend of Robert's, Lenny harbors guilt over not advocating for Danny when Robert attacked him after Sarah's death. Not only is Lenny knowledgeable about the family's tumultuous history, but he's also doing his own detective work to discover the truth about Danny's death
Rational, how TF does an investigative role not fit with Lenny Potts?
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Consider Rational, that Robert isnt in the game. So far the PM's have had references to John and Danny, no Robert. I think John is a mafia character. But the janitor leads me to believe the other character is Kevin, not Roberts. As though both Kevin and the sister helped hide that John killed Danny, Kevin further went on to kill Marco when Marco said he was going reveal that Danny was killed by John..
Given that John is a cop himself and thusly not many people view him as suspicious(he even runs for chief of police of some position like that), I think John may be GF.
I'm gonna look up Lenny Potts. But fmpov it's important to note that justification so far have been loose to the role l, not exact fits. For example TUF hinted at LD with "you know the family is lying" but gives me inno child as a role.
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I am thus the one-shot cop.Once per game, I can uncover the affiliation of another player.I have results, but they are an inno.
One shot? Results as in plural?
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@drafterman
Do your PM's mention characters/backstory?
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Also, his investigation doesn't make sense. He sus's Supadudz and you, but investigates drafter? It's not consistent.
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then we lynch him tomorrow after drafter.
If Drafter is town, we lynch him tomorrow. If Drafter is guilty, then he's clear, cause a bus this early of a player who is predominantly townread(Drafter) by a player who is null/scum read, would be poor strategy.
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Corroborate with him i mean. If a couple people have a PM like he's claiming, then we lynch him tomorrow after drafter. This whole talk of a framer is SUS AF. Seems like ur setting this up for Drafter to be inno and give Hammer an out if he does.
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If others PM's come up similar to yours, Supas, and mine, and he's the odd man out. That's conclusive scum. Same way you got caught in beginners 1.2, and same way plenty of scum have been caught 👍.
If others corroborate his PM we lynch Drafter. I'm not saying we still lynch him if people corroborate.
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rational, I'm not saying they have to match perfectly. But that vast of a difference?
If others PM'S do not corroborate his PM, and rather corroborate with Supas, yours, and mine. Then he is assuredly lying.
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Ok keep in mind, not just no characters mentioned, no backstory. Convenient considering there is zero backstory of sherriff aguirre on the bloodline wiki dont you think?
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Upon what evidence are you basing that on? How often does variance in structure vary signfigantly as opposed to it being generally consistent?
What games are you referencing?
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@TheHammer
All drafter has claimed is his character. He has not mentioned anything else. So how would that PM analysis indicate anything regarding him?
Call me stupid? Lol, all youve done is , "omg thats dumb" and the aforementioned utter idiocy in logic and reading comprehension.
You claimed cop, so what? I claimed inno child and that doesn't confirm me. Role =\= affiliation confirmation. You have acted scummy AF, period. There is no reason independent of your claim to believe you. But your claim is BS and doesn't match with the present claims.
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What's on Wikipedia doesn't matter. Why is the reason dumb Hammer? Your PM is structured in a far different manner than any other supplied claims.
If multiple other people come out and corroborate otherwise, then I'll reconsider, but that's 3 - 1 currently.
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@TheHammer
Exactly Rational! Your PM mentions another character, hints at others, and provides backstory. His does not
Supas as he claimed is the same as yours and mine. It references other characters and provides backstory hints.
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if I thought he was scum I would be interrogating drafter like this. I think he is town, so i otherwise believe him.
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@Greyparrot
His claim was short. Per him it didn't mention but that he was Sheriff Aguirre an investigator in Monroe county, thay his job was to do good sruff and bring justice to bad guys(lol like what?) and an explanation of cop.
This is not at all consistent with my PM or the other full claim out on the board who I think is strong town.
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Both PM's out right now had 2 other characters and some backstory. If others PM'S are similarly structured in mentioning characters and backstory in relation to them, then ur lying.
@everyone- are other characters mentioned in ur pms? Is there some backstory in regards to how you relate to them?
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@TheHammer
Your PM doesn't say anything else but that basically?
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Do you townread anyone else? Supadudz above all, that implies there are others. Are there?
One of your scumreads is Drafter, who is the other?
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Unlike some people, I won't burden the DP with pointless stalling.I'm Lenny Potts.
Do you have anything to provide on the character?
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He claimed like beginning of DP... And he pressures without mercy? Is he still voting you?
And the first wagon was the first wagon of the game lol. The second wasn't wagoning. I tried convincing him, he wasn't. He found evidence I had actually missed. That's not sheeping man. And neither that or bandwagon'img are inherently scummy anyways. Townies do both all the time.
Whatever personal issue you have with Drafterman seems to be clouding ur judgement.
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Should I say, hammer with a final vote prematurely when a claim is being sought.(I may not care about his claim, everyone else does though.)
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Rational your basis for thinking Hammer is town is he didn't hammer you. Again, if he had done so it would have lead to his lynch.
Note the previous post
If someone does, then we have a confirmed, as he was going for the mislynch
As I said, someone who hammers in that situation and they're town is automatically suspect and usually lynched in consequence. Mafia don't trade themselves like that generally as 2 v 1 trades result in them losing assuming 1/3-1/4 ratio.
7 v 2
5 v 1
3 v 0(town wins)
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I understand people who want to see his claim. But please reconsider on the TR. You are giving him credit for doing something that is what mafia would do almost every time given the consequences for acting in the manner you think he would have done if mafia(hammer you with the final vote.)
2:1 ratios such practices are beneficial I will admit. 2:1 is not standard here tho.
5 v 2
3 v 1
(Mafia wins at 1 v 1 due to the 2 town deaths coming first)
Understanding you think 4 v 2 v 2 is possible. The lack of two deaths would indicate there not being two mafia though. But it's still highly unlikely.
Either you are operating as if mafia benefit from 2v1 trades, which isn't true. Or you are giving Hammer credit being town for something a mafia would have reasonably done.
That is unless you think he's done something else that is towny behavior, or i otherwise missed other reasons why Hammer is town?
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@Greyparrot
Err on the side of caution, maybe he has something irrefutable.
The main issue i honestluI honestly take with this is nothing precludes him as mafia from claiming an important character and/or Doc to root it out via the inevitable CC.
Understanding the desire for caution, that caution can easily backfire fmpov.
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@Greyparrot
Before as in during the DP .
Calling for doc to protect an unconfirmed non-cop is facially sus AF, but actually so town in regards to inno child to say it hurts that I didn't see it right away. Had I, I maybe could've gotten Danielle to reconsider the FoS and vote Hammer 😑
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@Greyparrot
I cannot believe i didn't pinpoint my previous read before. What you did there was pretty much what Virt did in 1.1 with suggesting doc out.
Calling for doc to protect an unconfirmed non-cop is facially sus AF, but actually so town to say it hurts that I didn't see it right away. Had I maybe could've gotten Danielle to reconsider the FoS and vote Hammer 😑
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@Greyparrot
if he's not scum I'm at a loss as to who in my TR's would be scum.
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