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@whiteflame
Might also be a soft claim from Speed, but I'm unclear on that one.
Why would u ask if speed softclaimed? If he wanted town to know he softclaimed he'd tell us. Otherwise you're either 1) letting mafia know Speed softclaimed, or 2) ur sucm trying to fish for a claim with no pressure.
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@whiteflame
why did u answer for Lunatic. How would u know his reasoning.
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@whiteflame
did u end up getting food with Mikal or nah
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That1 is sus for bring up jester. Bringing up 3rd parties is a classic scum tell.
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@drafterman
But you just explained why they're not mechanically the same.All Hated Town does is make MYLO/LYLO happen one phase earlier than otherwise.But, guess what, when you mislynch a townie you're making MYLO/LYLO happen one phase earlier than otherwise.So lynching the Hated or letting it live is mechanically the same.
If you lynch hated TOWN it's mechanically the same.
But Magic's affiliation isn't for sure town. So it's not mechanically the same. I should know cause I put a hated scum in one of my games once.
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@LikeMagic
However, there are those people who play who think they are better and above rules and procedures
Names?
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@LikeMagic
Please stop cluttering the DP with non-game talk.
lets buddy
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Putting myself on hold, I will play a game first before modding.
Current Mafia:
SupaDudz -Anime Waifus DP1
Signups:
In the Hopper:
BearMan- Third Parties Mafia/ Deathnote Part 1 Mafia
Danielle
That1User: Animation Chaos Mafia
ILikePie5: U.S. House of Representatives Mafia
Crocodile: Jojo mafia
Elminster
drafterman
Lunatic
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, PressF4Respect, RM, Bullish
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Current Mafia:
Lunatic- The Stand DP1
Signups:
SupaDudz - The Disastrous Life of Saiki, Darling in the Franxx, Anime Waifus
In the Hopper:
Bullish - Crimes mafia
BearMan- Third Parties Mafia/ Deathnote Part 1 Mafia
Danielle
That1User: Animation Chaos Mafia
ILikePie5: U.S. House of Representatives Mafia
Crocodile: Jojo mafia
Elminster
drafterman
Lunatic
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, PressF4Respect, RM,
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Current Mafia
Signups
BearMan
In the Hopper
Danielle
Danielle
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
Speedrace
Lunatic
SupaDudz - The Disastrous Life of Saiki
Bullish
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, PressF4Respect, crocodile, RM
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@Speedrace
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@Lunatic
Before anymore misunderstandings arise, imma say I reported it because Ragnar asked me in PM "what mafia rule infractions are going on" so I marked it out for him. You can confirm with Ragnar. He made a comment on it in the game thread which I asked him to delete, because I didn't want the issue spilling over to site moderation.
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@Lunatic
Like I said I wasn't even insulted I can't possibly be offended. When you called bear a cunt u didn't know he was gonna be cool with it. If this was someone else's game and we were both in it, and u called me a cunt, I'd be like "that's uncalled for but ok." But his is my game, my rules, you don't insult someone like that.
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@Lunatic
IMO "cunt" is worse than "fuck" but can still be said, unlike the n-word. I know it's no big deal to say cunt in australia but I'm pretty sure everyone in this game is American.
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@Lunatic
When I played on DDO the user 1harder called me an asshole and said my behaviour in game directly decreased the enjoyment of at least 1 other player. I never even called him a cunt, the furthest I go is call people bad/stupid players, which is the same line I draw in my games. I've toned it down since then and this is why I enforce the rule.
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How is calling someone an idiot or a stupid ass not a personal insult?
Supa was speaking to gameplay in both those instances.
Chris, Speed, Danielle, supa, and pie all had dis-agreements with your decision too, you didn't mention anything to them. You only briefly responded to bearman lol.
Yeah they all had the same fundamental issue which I addressed to Bearman. For your insults I issued a warning, not a modkill. The modkill was for multiple reasons including that one, the chief reason being outside game talk.
Probably because you haven't insulted me first. I only respond that way if someone throws the first punch. I rarely insult people, though but I am very aggressive and an asshole. Bearman threw the first punch, and I responded. He dropped it, I dropped it. It didn't have to be a big deal until you made it one.
I'm also speaking to your interaction with other players. I read every post in every game I'm in and every game I mod, I've never had the reaction I had when I saw you call bear a cunt. It didn't have to be a big deal until you talked about the game in RM's thread. All you had to do was not call anybody a cunt.
Then you should clarify again that this rule is a big rule since you modkilled over it. Modkilling is pretty sreious, it rarely happens these days even on serious offences. If this is such an important rule than you need to post it, bold it, and make it known that this is something you will take seriously. I wouldn't have wasted my time if I knew it was a rule. I will get mod killed in any game this is a rule, because that's how I play. I won't sign up for games if I know this in advance.
ok that's fair
Yes they are very different. I would never say that.
Well it's my memory vs yours then, since there's no text record.
I'll believe you if you believe me when I say that I don't have a vendetta against you and would never let pride cloud my modding decisions.
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@Speedrace
It's the same with me, I've said multiple times on DDO "what happens in mafia stays in mafia," but not every player thinks like that. As mod in a community with a small player pool I'm trying to maximize player utility. I have a line, I issued a warning first, no one was offended in the end anyway, there shouldn't be drama.
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@Lunatic
Look, if you think my insults rule is stupid then ok, but I can't have you leaving this thinking I'm being prideful or have a vendetta against you.
Refer to my first modded game on this site when I modkilled 2 players for inactivity.
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Even if you discount "personal insults" towards the whole town, which he called idiotic multiple times, denying that supa insulted anyone is ridiculous. You just decided to be less offended by what he said haha.
How many more times do I have to explain to you it's different to insulting game play and calling someone a cunt?
Your pride being hurt is self evidenced by the fact that you are not responding to others calling you out for the same stuff,
I have literally responded to them in this very thread.
Maybe you haven't played in as many games with me as you think
Perhaps, but I'm honestly speaking to the fact my experience with you has never been this bad.
If I didn't care what you had to say I wouldn't be responding to you, nor would I have unblocked you. Whatever happened in the game happened in the game.
That doesn't contradict anything I said, as mod I care about what happens in the game, not what happens outside of it.
So you expected everyone to refer to a list of rules you made for a game 5 years ago?
No, it's the exact opposite, I don't expect anyone to refer to that ruleset. 5 years of no one breaking rules has lead me to believe they don't need to.
I barely said anything at all, just more like "woah, let's be careful here"
Our version of events are different then because I definitely remember you directly saying "no" to talking about politics.
Most mods don't take this that seriously, you chose to do so because I was already on your sh1t list.
That's wrong. You and Danielle are like the only players from when I first started playing on DDO, you've got history here and I have always respected you as a player, even back on DDO I some times deferred to you on mod actions and practices, and on DART I always ping you for my games. I have always been serious about game integrity. I always randomize roles unlike some mods on DDO and I've gotten into arguments with other mods over it.
Look, if you think my insults rule is stupid then ok, but I can't have you leaving this thinking I'm being prideful or have a vendetta against you.
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Why is cunt worse than any other amount of swears lol? Supa was calling people retarded. No no no, bullish let's be honest here. This is a pride thing. I called you out on a sh1tty rule and that pissed you right off and you wanted to show how much of a hardass you are.
I just explained to u why it's different, it's cause you insulted him personally rather than his game play.
This is also the 2nd time you brought up the pride thing. In all out discord convos what have I ever done that made you think I was prideful? After I lose a live game I don't say "I told you so" to the town and I don't blame my scumbuddies. You're projecting. The fact you go out of your way break more rules after I warned you is a prideful action.
It's not recent
yeah it is, or at least you've gotten worse. I've played many games with you over the years, never had a problem. I don't know exactly what went down in your PM with That1, and like you said you apologized, and for the record I was on YOUR side with the drafter thing. I expected you to say "cool" and move on, like the couple of other players I gave warnings to, but YOU can't swallow your pride.
In my last game Poker mafia, I gauged the player pool whether they wanted RM in or not, because RM had a history of negative influences in games. It makes no sense you keep calling me a "snowflake" because you didn't even insult me. Like I said to bearman mafia rules are stricter because the players committed to play and are forced in interact with eachother, unlike on the website in general. You have now had a negative streak in games and it's my job to nip it. All you had to do was not call other players cunt.
You had to go back and find a ruleset from 5 years ago to post justify your ban lol.
So? my rules haven't changed in 5 years and no one had broken them in 5 years.
I wasn't against YYW talking about it, I was trying to nip it in the butt
No, you were definitely against him talking about it, and he was specifically mad that he couldn't talk about it because of 1 other person. And the result was he left, then came back and agreed to not talk about politics.
The outside game talk thing is ridiculous btw, nothing I said was affiliation indicative lol
Doesn't matter. You don't talk about the game outside the game. What you said could also be meta analyzed to mean you and Bear weren't faking the argument. Nothing in Bear's neighborhood PM was alignment indicative, but there's a reason that's a role instead of just something everyone can do.
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@BearMan
In-game rules are stricter than site rules, because when you commit to a mafia game you're pretty much forced to interact with everyone there, whereas on the site you can just ignore or block someone.
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@BearMan
If you felt there was no need for the initial warning that's fine, but I can't compromise modkilling him for talking about the game in another thread cause that's a matter of game integrity.
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@Speedrace
Mafia was tech typically associated with or used for bad things. The roles your enabler affected are marked in the OP.
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There was no pre-game action. The real reason for the delay between PMs and DP1 was so mafia could come up with fake claims. I just threw in "pre-game actions" as a generic reason.
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@Lunatic
Excessive? I was literally warned about just one lol. Also what about supadudz? I don't think he should have been threatened for mod kill either, but he said much worse than I did lmao.
He didn't call someone a cunt. Talking shit about people's gameplay is fair, you're just insulting to insult.
This is 100% a you problem. It's recent too. You've played my games, we've played games together, I've never felt that you behaved out of line. And all of a sudden, several games in a row, you blow up on That1User, drafter blocks you, and you get modkilled. If you've got problems in real life don't bring it into a game.
Bear stopped responding to you after that comment. Intel called you out. It was clearly having an impact on my game, I had to at least issue a warning.
Also you didn't mention that in any rule prior to the game starting.
I keep the ruleset short because I've never had a game where someone I even felt the need to issue a warning to (other than inactivity). This is my ruleset: https://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/45852/1#1830971
I was talking about the night with Magic and YYW. You were verbally against it when YYW started talking about RBG dying and Magic started to complain. I didn't even disagree with Mikal in the convo in your screenshot, and I didn't threaten to break rules and quit mafia because of the political talk policy we agreed to. Fact is YYW left because you and magic were against talking about RGB. I had to take mod action because I can't exactly leave a game I'm modding. Talking about politics is also completely different from insulting someone personally.
Why would I submit a night action when you told me I would be getting mod killed? You never responded to me, so it was clear I was getting mod killed, there was literally no point in submitting the action at that point
I didn't tell you I was modkilling you, I said you'd be modkilled if you continue to break the rules. You were the one who started the outside game talk. You were the one who literally told me you intend to break the rules "as a matter of principal." There's no excuse to respond to rule breaking by breaking more rules.
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The theme split is obvious. Deepfake and Planned obsolesce were the obvious outliers, idk how town didn't comment on that.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@MisterChris
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Town wins!
Town
MisterChris: Chromebook - very weak and cheap computers,often running on hardware worse than a phone. Schools buy these en masse fortheir students because it's all they can afford. Chromebooks typically run onChromeOS, a flavor of Linux; most "apps" on a Chromebook are run throughthe browser - you are vanilla.
Oromagi: Deep learning - deep learning is a subfield ofmachine learning, which is a subfield of artificial intelligence (AI). DeepBlue is famous for using deep learning to beat the best human Chess player in1997. Today deep learning is most commonly used in fields such as computervision. Deep learning works by "training" the computer with correctresults, then using a complex pipeline of linear algebra to find patterns. TheCAPTCHAs you do online are fodder for deep learning machines. After at least 2town and 1 scum have flipped, you become cop.
Lunatic: The Cloud - the cloud is essentially someone else'scomputer that you access over the internet. Amazon's AWS is by far the world'sbiggest cloud provider. Advantages of the cloud include flexibility and easyload balancing - therefore you are the JOAT: you have 1x tracker, 1x doc, 1x bodyguard. (enabled by the Internet)
Speedrace: The Internet - the internet is the foundation ofthe Information Age. This significance of the internet in the 21st centurycannot be understated - You are the enabler - you being alive enables a numberof roles; once you die, the players with those roles will be vanillarized. Theinternet is by its nature distributed and thus immune to a single point offailure; for this reason you are 1x BP.
ILikePie5: Photolithography - photolithography is theprocess of etching patterns onto a substrate by shining light at it. Modernprocessors are made with this process. The most advanced processors have billionsof transistors and minimum feature sizes as small as 5nm. Photolithography isthe most advanced human technology ever developed; and it's still advancing. Moore'sLaw is an observational law about photolithography advancement: roughly every 2years, the number of transistors in a given area doubles - because of Moore'sLaw, you are the even phase motivator - on even days, you may target someone,and they may use their role at night twice, if they have a role. This won'tdouble the NK.
Warren42 (replacing That1User): Samsung smart fridge - afridge with "smart" capabilities. In reality, most "smart"devices these days are just useless gimmicks that are unreliable, hard to use,and open up your device to vulnerabilities - you are vanilla townie.
Danielle: Bing - Everyone uses google, but Microsoft madethis piece of shit search engine known as Bing. You are the shitty rolecop -you may rolecop someone, but your results may not be accurate or useful. (pick5 random words from the PM, Bing it, paste the preview message from the 5th result)
BearMan: Cryptography - public key cryptography was inventedin the 1970's. Before public key cryptography, there was only symmetric keycryptography; that is, all parties had to know a key that no one else knew tocommunicate securely. Public key cryptography uses what is known as "one-wayfunctions", so that only one party needs to know the key to securelycommunicate with all other parties. RSA is one of the first and most commonlyused public key functions. You are the neighborizer - each night you may visita player, and that player will gain access to the neighborhood PM; when you diethe PM will be closed. You are NOT a mason or a cult. (enabled by the Internet)
Mafia
Fake claims hint: the technologies in this game tend to beelectronic related, and tend to be invented in the last 50 years. The field oftechnology is vast, you are unlikely to be CC'd on a fake character claim. Ifyou think of a technology as a fake claim, I can give you my opinion on thetechnology. 20 years ago, people couldn't even imagine the tech we have today;you are encouraged to come up with unconventional custom fake role claims.
skittlez09: Directed-energy weapon - a staple of si-fi is laserweapons, which is a subclass of the more technical term "directed-energyweapon (DEW)". Most DEWs are electrically powered and shoot invisibleradiation. DEWs include microwave weapons that can heat you up from the insideand induce nausea. The Active Denial System (ADS) is a "non-lethal"DEW developed by the US military that works at short-medium range - you are non-consecutiveAoE roleblocker: on any night you may choose to roleblock 2 players who must beadjacent to each other on the player list; after you use your ability you mustrecharge for 1 night before using it again.
Intelligence_06: Deepfake - the technology to make somethingappear as anything you want is near -- although we can still tell thedifference between real and fake with our eyes, deepfaking is getting betterevery day - you are the deepfaker - each night, you may make any player appearas anything you want, including their role, affiliation, and actions; yourtarget is not informed and their actual actions are not disrupted. This countsas a visit.
SupaDudz: Planned obsolesce - many major companies design theirproducts to fail right after the warranty expires so they can force you to buya new one. Ironically improvements in materials technology as enabledmanufacturers to make their products worse - you are suicide scum: on NP3, youautomatically die. Each time you are protected, you live one additional NP.
Actions
DP1:
no lynch
NP1:
Danielle rolecop Supa
Lunatic track Danielle to Supa
Bearman neighborize oro
skittle waive
Intel deepfake skittle "You are a virtual private network - they protectyour privacy by connecting you to the VPN provider, who then interfaces with anintranet or the internet for you. This is widely used by corporation to providesecure database for company employees without fear of other companies internettracking your usage. you are roleblocker, each night you may choose toroleblock one person of your choosing"
Supa NK Danielle
DP2:
lynch warren
pie motivate Bear
NP2:
Bear neighborize Chris and Pie
skittle waive
Intel deepfake Bear "Amazon recuiter"
Supa NK Speed
DP3:
lynch intel
NP3:
Bear waive
skittle RB Bear and Pie
Supa NK oro
Supa commits suicide
DP4:
lynch Speed
NP4:
skittle NK pie
DP5:
lynch skittle
Commentary
First let me comment on the suicide role. This role was meant to balance 3 scum in an 11 player game. Suicide on NP3/NP4/NP5 depending on actions took away a town slot, forces town to waste a DP to lynch someone who was going to die anyway, and allowed scum to potentially pull off an perfect win if all lynches were mislynches. This role could be good or bad to play depending on your mentality. You could say dying isn't fun; or, you could say that since you'll die anyway, this allows you to pull gambits with 0 risk.
DP1 had pretty low activity, which happens from time to time. I'm glad activity picked up on DP2 though.
Pie needs to get those silly mafia definitions and conventions out of his head before he gets mad again. The MafiaScum wiki is IMO the most authoritative database on definitions related to forum mafia on the internet. My modding practices come from there. Any game where a majority of the players have a role is by definition rolemad. This game had only 2 vanillas, there's no way this game can be defined as not rolemad. The wiki also guides that players are not informed of being roleblocked unless they would otherwise get a result. No one in this game had the same 2 actions, but that doesn't mean they can't. Pie was right in the end that one of the claimed JOATs was scum, but I have made a game with 2 JOATs for a live mafia game before. There's no literature out there, certainly not on MafiaScum, that no 2 town roles can be the same.
Lunatic was given a warning for excessive insults, and I stand by that. First of all, it's not even censorship, I didn't even remove the comment. Nobody likes an asshole in game, you will be warned and kicked if you engage in actions that turn other players off. Second, Lunatic is being a massive hypocrite for complaining about "censorship." In his discord server he asked people to not talk about politics so we could keep mafia players, which caused YYW to leave on at least 1 occasion. It is way more justifiable to warn players for insulting each other than to ban political talk when we're not even playing the game. And he wants to talk about censorship with me? I wouldn't have modkilled him either, but Lunatic decided to throw a tantrum by threatening to break the rules out of spite (being a hypocrite again), and talking about the game in RM's thread; outside game talk is a big no-no, I would have modkilled him for that alone. On top of that he failed to submit a night action, which made him not fulfill the activity requirement. He was modkilled for these 4 reasons combined.
The neighborhood chat was very productive. BearMan targetted the right players.
IDK what Supa was doing DP3, he could have just hammered himself, or asked intel or skittle to hammer him, and we would have went into DP4 4 town vs 2 scum. There was a solid chance Speed would have been lynched instead of intel or skittle -- and it did turn out to be the case that Speed was lynched before skittle was. So in a way Supa threw the game for scum. Supa did the right thing by gambitting repeatedly, which paid off and confused town. But he choked at the end there.
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skittle (2/2) - Bear, Chris
Not voting: skittle,
skittlez09 has been lynched. He was mafia.
skittlez09 (mafia): Directed-energy weapon - a staple of si-fi is laser weapons, which is a subclass of the more technical term "directed-energy weapon (DEW)". Most DEWs are electrically powered and shoot invisible radiation. DEWs include microwave weapons that can heat you up from the inside and induce nausea. The Active Denial System (ADS) is a "non-lethal" DEW developed by the US military that works at short-medium range - you are non-consecutive AoE roleblocker: on any night you may choose to roleblock 2 players who must be adjacent to each other on the player list; after you use your ability you must recharge for 1 night before using it again.
TOWN WINS
Endgame coming up.
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Technology Mafia - DP5
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Speedrace (town): The Internet - the internet is the foundation of the Information Age. This significance of the internet in the 21st century cannot be understated - You are the enabler - you being alive enables a number of roles; once you die, the players with those roles will be vanillarized. The internet is by its nature distributed and thus immune to a single point of failure; for this reason you are 1x BP.
Died in the night:
ILikePie5 (town): Photolithography - photolithography is the process of etching patterns onto a substrate by shining light at it. Modern processors are made with this process. The most advanced processors have billions of transistors and minimum feature sizes as small as 5nm. Photolithography is the most advanced human technology ever developed; and it's still advancing. Moore's Law is an observational law about photolithography advancement: roughly every 2 years, the number of transistors in a given area doubles - because of Moore's Law, you are the even phase motivator - on even days, you may target someone, and they may use their role at night twice, if they have a role. This won't double the NK.
Living players:
1. skittlez09
2. BearMan
3. MisterChris
With 3 players alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch.
This DP lasts ~72 hours. DP3 ends 10/10 23:00 EST.
This DP lasts ~72 hours. DP3 ends 10/10 23:00 EST.
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Speed (3/3) - Bear, pie, Chris
skittle (1/3) - Speed,
Not voting: skittle,
Speedrace has been lynched. He was town.
Speedrace (town): The Internet - the internet is the foundation of the Information Age. This significance of the internet in the 21st century cannot be understated - You are the enabler - you being alive enables a number of roles; once you die, the players with those roles will be vanillarized. The internet is by its nature distributed and thus immune to a single point of failure; for this reason you are 1x BP.
NP4 lasts 24 hours, ends 10/08 23:00 Eastern
Send in your night actions.
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Speed (1/3) - Bear,
skittle (1/3) - Speed,
Not voting: skittle, Chris, pie
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Technology Mafia - DP4
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Intelligence_06 (mafia): Deepfake - the technology to make something appear as anything you want is near -- although we can still tell the difference between real and fake with our eyes, deepfaking is getting better every day - you are the deepfaker - each night, you may make any player appear as anything you want, including their role, affiliation, and actions; your target is not informed and their actual actions are not disrupted. This counts as a visit.
Died in the night:
Oromagi (town): Deep learning - deep learning is a subfield of machine learning, which is a subfield of artificial intelligence (AI). Deep Blue is famous for using deep learning to beat the best human Chess player in 1997. Today deep learning is most commonly used in fields such as computer vision. Deep learning works by "training" the computer with correct results, then using a complex pipeline of linear algebra to find patterns. The CAPTCHAs you do online are fodder for deep learning machines. After at least 2 town and 1 scum have flipped, you become cop.
SupaDudz (mafia): Planned obsolesce - many major companies design their products to fail right after the warranty expires so they can force you to buy a new one. Ironically improvements in materials technology as enabled manufacturers to make their products worse - you are suicide scum: on NP3, you automatically die. Each time you are protected, you live one additional NP.
Living players:
1. Speedrace
2. skittlez09
3. BearMan
4. ILikePie5
5. MisterChris
With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
This DP lasts ~72 hours. DP3 ends 10/10 21:00 EST.
This DP lasts ~72 hours. DP3 ends 10/10 21:00 EST.
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Intel (5/5) - Chris, Bear, oro, pie, Speed,
Speed (2/5) - Supa, Intel,
Not voting: skittle, Intel,
Intel has been lynched, he was mafia.
Intelligence_06: Deepfake - the technology to make something appear as anything you want is near -- although we can still tell the difference between real and fake with our eyes, deepfaking is getting better every day - you are the deepfaker - each night, you may make any player appear as anything you want, including their role, affiliation, and actions; your target is not informed and their actual actions are not disrupted. This counts as a visit.
NP3 lasts 24 hours, ends 10/08 1:00 Eastern
Send in your night actions.
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Supa (3/5) - oro, pie, Speed,
Speed (2/5) - Supa, Intel,
Intel (2/5) - Chris, Bear,
Not voting: skittle, Intel,
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Intel (3/5) - Speed, Chris, Bear,
Supa (1/5) - oro,
Speed (1/5) - Supa,
Not voting: skittle, Intel, pie,
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Supa (3/5) - oro, pie, Bear,
Intel (2/5) - Speed, Chris,
Speed (1/5) - Supa,
Not voting: skittle, Intel,
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Supa (3/5) - Bear, oro, Speed,
Speed (1/5) - Supa,
Not voting: skittle, Chris, Intel, pie
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@ILikePie5
@MisterChris
@BearMan
@Intelligence_06
morning
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