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I want DD in on this drama
also since Lunatic thought drafter was alive he's probs not scum cause drafter died.
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@Zaradi
Vote him anyway for moral support, your posting in a thread ur not supposed to be in already anyway
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oh wait a minute he said fuck when he was scum, that means he's town
DD is probs real scum, cause he was the only one to not vote speed yesterday, so he's scum by POE
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@Zaradi
yo look I found a post where he says "fuck" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3679/narcos-mafia-dp3?page=1&post_number=8 uncensored.
this whole thing is a ploy to make himself look like a goodie 2 shoes, like politicians. Have you ever seen a politician curse? Have you ever seen a politician not be scum? Vote Lunatic now.
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@Lunatic
naw ur big time scum, everyone else only got a little quote, u got a whole monologue up there.
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@Lunatic
"I'mma let u finish" NOT!
That's 3 strikes against u Lunatic
1. tard hammer
2. didn't immediately claim at lylo
3. when claiming didn't claim a quote and claimed some dumb shit like vanilla
VTL Lunatic
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@Lunatic
Why didn't u claim ur character too, too busy looking up a fake claim?
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"I'mma let you finish" 1x redirector, but I can only redirect to myself. I me visit myself cause it's that kind of game lmao
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With few players gotta do something creative, like every town is a double voter and scum only get a kill when they are lynched. That could work for a 3-2 game.
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And the reason I'm asking for that is because I think if a mafia doesn't have team members, it takes a lot away from the behavioural aspect of the game. Some wouldn't even consider a game with only 1 mafioso a true mafia game.
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@Speedrace
There are no nights. Mafia don't get a night kill, every action is day-based. 4 town 2 maf nightless can be balanced with roles.
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@Lunatic
I did town read you around the middle of DP1, Pie will attest to that, I had you down as "town" in my private list in the PM. By the end of the DP though I had you as hard scum.
There was 4 people on your wagon at one point, if I was more active I could have drove that wagon harder. This game I didn't ping anyone or negotiate votes to lynch you, like I did with Sir and drafter in the previous games.
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The town game on this site needs to get better. This was a game were town played poorly more than mafia played well.
That's 2 games in a row now that if we just lynched the most obvious target on DP1, we would have hit scum.
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I'll play a 9 or 11 player game. Otherwise I think it may be good for people on this site to take a break from mafia. There are only like 13 regulars who play in every game, people might get burnt out. Also, mafia is what I call a "friendship-destroyer" type of game, because of the deception and argumentation that goes on; this type of game heightens stress than many other types of games. After many years of playing mafia I've learned to balance taking the game seriously while not letting it affect my life outside the game. I advise anyone who plays mafia to not take anything in-game personally, don't take toxicity outside the game, and don't hold grudges.
I'm /in for a game that starts after valentines day.
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president: make rules
mods: enforce rules
Elect me president and I will abolish the coc
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If you make this a viable wagon I'll be on itdown to lynch either singularity
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@Lunatic
Self metaing is true information about your own meta.was actual true information
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I don't have the oldman strength to argue with Lunatic anymore, and we really need to consolidate a lynch. I still want to lynch Lunatic or Virt, and I'm moving Zarado off my lynch list. I jump on if someone has a viable 3rd.
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@Lunatic
Here's a town one where he did it. Again at most this is a null read lol.
That was a joke so it doesn't count. It was 10 posts into the DP, he was obviously not lurking, he wasn't self-metaing to absolve himself of any action.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3614/post_links/155819 this post is much more in vein of what I'm talking about.
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@Lunatic
Literally last game grey did that shit and was scum.you can cross check any of that as true. It's done in lot of games. Greyparrot will say that stuff too "I don't do this as scum" and usually he is town
but you trying to argue this as a scum tell is laughable
1. continually referencing your scum meta shows you're in a scum mindset
2. continually referencing your scum meta shows you keep doing scummy shit and instead of finding a town game where you did it, you have to find a scum game where you didn't, which is based on less water tight logic
3. if you bring it up yourself it's always WIFOM which shows you have no better argument against why other players scum read you
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@ILikePie5
Vote CountSupaDudz - (3/7) Oro, Lunatic, GreyparrotLunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, SupaVirtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, DiscBullish - (1/7) LunaticLmk if I have something wrong
This why I require an unvote rule, pretty sure this is at least the 3rd vote count where you have someone's vote on 2 people. This would be alleviated if an "unvote" reminded the mod to remove the previous vote.
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@Lunatic
Bruh are you just doubling down on the misrepresentation or what. I never threatened you. When I said I wanted to kill you that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.Lol threatening me with your read is an intimidation tactic and also scummy. Dont play games like that with me they wont work.
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@Lunatic
bruh I was literally going to town read you about half way through the DP until you started misrepresenting me left and right in an attempt to scum read me.
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3 instances Lunatic has self-meta'd against his scum meta:
Btw, fake claiming as miller is pretty damn far from my scum meta
check my behavior with supas south park game. Did I fight you or anyone this hard about getting mislynched in that game?
As mafia, with knowledge of the show I could claim almost anything and completely play the town around my finger. Yet I went with some random season 3 character I've never seen or heard of? Why would I do this lol
Self-metaing is not an inherent scum tell. But it becomes a scum tell when you do it continuously and always against your scum-self. For example it's not scummy to say "I do this as town a lot therefore you shouldn't scum read me for it," but it is scummy to say "I DON'T do this as scum therefore you should town read me for it."
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@Lunatic
As a side note bullish, man to man, if you really are town (dismiss as WIFOM if you want, I don't care) check my behavior with supas south park game. Did I fight you or anyone this hard about getting mislynched in that game? I was pretty damn lazy and over-confident as scum in that game, and was inactive for large blurts of it.
You've self-meta'd 3 times this DP and it isn't helping you.
Another reason I have been having a hard time buying you as town is because I don't see you being objective about this as you were in that game (you backed off drafter after hardcore tunneling him initially)
Check that game again, I didn't back off drafter until DP3.
or that you could care less at the mislynch consequence of being wrong
People care too much about mislynches. Like I've said before the best players get scum read accuracy in the range of 40%. DD's is 46% I think he has mentioned. That's the nature of the game and I never get caught up on mislynches.
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@Lunatic
I'll preface this with saying I hate how you keep refusing to use the quote system at times to suit your needs, and its one of DART and DDO's best features. I notice people start doing this when they feel they are losing an argument
Another contrived claim you pulled out of your butthole of desire to scum read me. You failed to quote anything right here in your post https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3648/post_links/157931 And in fact in that very post you misrepresent me AGAIN by saying I'm trying "to sell a double mislynch" when I have never claimed DD's scumminess is contingent on your affiliation. Water was the only one this whole game to suggest there's lynching DD if you flip inno and you're trying to pin it on me with the convenient lack of quoting.
So if your intention is to outright kill me, so why does my behavior matter if it is your goal that my death is met either way?
Here you go again thinking you're the only subject of the whole game. Firstly, your behaviour isn't the only behaviour being generated, other players exist in the game and their behaviour regarding my vote on you also matters. Secondly, your behaviour will be important even if you die because we can get associative tells once you flip. This is basic mafia shit and the fact you, a 10 year mafia vet, made me waste my breath explaining it to you is making me mad.
No it's definitely not that simple. If you would have kept this at your first post, I would buy that. But the fact that your repeatedly defending the idea that there is more logic to this than following lazy policies is where you continuously contradict yourself.
A simple look at this thread will tell you that a swath of behaviour has been generated based on SOP votes on you. I most likely have the 2nd highest quantity of posts in this thread after yourself, yet I'm pretty sure you've called me lazy at latest 4 times now which is total bullshit. At least DD thinks I'm playing anti-town instead of just lazy.
I am simply stating it is not in YOUR intention to look at today's lynch behaviorally
I've already explained it to you and others over multiple games, behaviour is best generated by votes backed by the intent to KILL. Intent to kill =/= ignoring behaviour. double SOP was a very good reason to vote you. And in fact if you look at my past games I have literally pulled player names out of my ass and asked town to lynch them immediately for instawin, then back off once behaviour becomes available, and quite often that behaviour WAS GENERATED BY MY ACTIONS. Yes I have a good memory of mafia games as you yourself admit in #228, and if you look back on past games being wishy-washy is the best way for town to end DP1 with nothing to work with.
You on there otherhand are going out of your way to pretend like there is more to this while also doubling down on this being a lazy easy policy thing
here you are again claiming I'm being lazy, a simple look at this thread will tell you that's a blatant lie. There's a point where I stop responding to people because they keep peddling complete total obvious lies and even to go as far as to spin them into character attacks like you have done continually regarding my behaviour this DP.
you are pursuing what you believe to be an easy to sell mis-lynch. And at it's core, you are right.
And how the fuck am I suppose to know it's a mislynch if I'm town? SOP lynches have been enshrined as SOP because it's pro town to follow SOP in the absence of other info. Now 2 people other than myself have scum based you based on behaviour how can you still claim this wagon is an easy mislynched based on SOP alone?
I have counted them against me, and it's the reason I am okay with dying this phase. If I am going to die innocent though I am going to try and dish out scum along with me
If you've counted that against you, you've clearly accepted that the player base views the events of the game as correct SOP justification to vote you. Why then do you continue to attack players for voting you based on SOP? We've gotten bigger wagons on players in past games for worse reasons. In that game where you were scum with Water he got to L-1 within like 12 hours, even he reacted better than you.
How were you going to dishout scum by voting yourself? You said you voted yourself to end discussion on the miller thing. You wanted to end discussion and the DP, in what universe is that "trying to dish out scum?" That was the my first point against you in #223 which you misreprsented in #225 but still haven't addressed. By voting yourself you necessarily do not believe that the miller discussion could have been a flashpoint for behaviour, which as the DP has shown, is clearly false.
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We have less than 24 hours left in the DP, it's time to consolidate a lynch. I'm good with lynching Lunatic or one of the inactives, those being Zaradi and Virt.
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@Lunatic
Oh I thought you meant he typed "n" instead of "ñ"
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@drafterman
@Singularity
I legitimately bought the multiple miller claim based on theme once more people who knew the theme mentioned it, and was on the verge of town reading both of them. But I am now seriously considering that this IS a scum gambit where BOTH Lunatic and DD are claiming miller, because they thought they could get away with the mutliple miller theory.
Single brought up DD's scummy ass post, and then Lunatic started coming up with BS reasons to vote me and FOS people on his wagon.
The more I think about it the more it seems like a low-risk gambit. If there's a 3rd town miller, and he claims, that lends more credibility to the the multiple miller theory and would render investigations useless. If there was no 3rd miller and we did end up policy lynching Lunatic, then DD is "cleared" to a greater degree than if he just bussed.
Why can't we get more than 4 people on Lunatic's wagon? If there's anything I learned about the meta on this site from the 3 game i've played is that scum apparently love to bus. In South Park scum attempted to bus Water repeatedly. In Speed's game Pie was bussed by both of his scum buddies from the beginning. Last game Zaradi hard bussed grey.
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@Lunatic
oh my god TUF you've been playing this game for 10 goddamn years how can you not realize this, BEHAVIOUR IS GENERATED BY VOTING PEOPLE, and it is my personal mafia belief that a VOTE should always be backed with the intent to KILL. Of all the people here, why am I having this discussion with YOU.
You have misrepresented all my positions on your wagon. First of all I never claimed that voting you was based on behaviour, I voted you because you were covered by not 1, but TWO policies. Then I questioned your apparent belief that voting can't generate behaviour. Like to told Ragnar last game, wanting to lynch people has never been in the history of mafia been lazy. The laziest and lowest activity games typically end in no-reads and no-lynches for a reason.
You're also irrationally critical of 2 SOP reasons to vote you: being miller and being CC'd. Drafter is completely right you are selectively ignoring how this game is played based on your convenience. As town you would just count those points against you and scum hunt like normal so your behaviours prove your towniness.
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@drafterman
I was also trying to hold on to that card, but I'm pretty sure at least 3 people have just come right out and said it. Have you not been reading the DP?Thanks for explaining but why you gotta spoil my secrets
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