Bullish

Because no one else has claimed miller?

I know where you're talking about but: 

if I was mafia I could just google translate the word miller into Spanish.

the key word is IF

that'd be hell for the cop.

As far as I'm concerned, cop's results is already worth jack this game. 2 millers, a hider, potential flavors, and I have reason believe there are more roles fucking up cop results.

Have you noticed that Singularity's claim, "El Limon" very nearly spells "no miller" backwards?  ellimon=nomiller

Damn good catch idk how you would have caught that if you were scum.

that's stupid 3millers would obviously be broken af

What did we learn about balance analysis from Speed's game.

It was mentioned several times that he was a lynch candidate for later on because of his role alone. Millers are safe lynch targets for mafia because they spin the policy argument and it's rather retarded.

There's been multiple games with multiple roles. A CC has to have context to make it scummy. SOP lynching a CC is redundant. If it was a character claim it would be more damning.

No, being CC'd is inherently scummy.

I don't. You twisting my words to cater your shitty reasoning is scummy as hell my friend. I specifically phrased it "If you are in my shoes and know you are a town". This goes even further to show you aren't willing nor ever were willing to look into my behavior, this was a policy lynch for you, or as scum pretty opportunistic and easy looking lynch.

Again, you didn't do that, and explicitly stated it wasn't in your intention to do this by saying "lets not over think this".

My #1 mafia pet peeve is when people vote someone and say "oh I'll lynch someone else later" That's bullshit, when I vote someone I want them to die immediately.

Famous FT quote:

Player - "if you could kill someone, who would it be?"

FT - "everyone"

I meant in addition to Lunatic and DD.

Yeah that's also what I meant. If both Lunatic and DD are miller, why do you think scum haven't hopped on the 3rd seat of the miller train.

Btw policy lynches against millers are so dumb. You are punishing a player for receiving a role as if they have control over that. It will start encouraging millers not to claim SOP and when they get caught guilty on cop results and mislynched they will get yelled at for not claiming miller lol. We are creating double standards for ourselves. Mods aren't going to stop using millers either.

Wel this is big wrong. In the game immediately preceding this one, a game you played in, miller SOP claimed and was literally never scum read by anyone the entire game. It's the fact you got CC'd.

this may reveal something about Drafter-  In my PM, the one word that isn't in Spanish is the actual name of the role

And this makes drafter town because he was being subtle.

There isn't "behavioral analysis" going into the CC.

All I did was claim my real character and role.

If you are in my shoes and know you are a town and a miller who just got CC'ed, what is your play? 

but I see no way around this not being an argument in literally every day phase until the game ends. Players are so policy driven (a nice way for saying lazy) and doing actual behavioral analysis is too much work for yall

Why don't you think arguments over this miller shit isn't a flashpoint for behaviour analysis. You were the one who advocated for a mass character claim, idk how that's any more behaviour related.

It's an interesting case. If there are multiple millers, then there really is no reason for scum not to jump on that wagon.

Why do you think they haven't.

--> @Discipulus_Didicit

If any Miller will get lynched, it's you lol. Lunatic claimed first

Did you claim miller with the intent to CC, intent to SOP claim, or intent to let the town know there might be multiple millers.

The third. If lunatic had not claimed miller I doubt I would have.

Bullish, explain your "obvious" scum read on lunatic please.

You CC'd him dude.

Anyone else wanna claim miller?

Any scum wanna come forward and claim miller now?

1. Full random lynch every DP.
   
2. Town death every NP.
   
3. 1 cop,
   
4. Cop makes 1 investigation per night,
   
5. Investigating mafia prompts cop to out the following DP and guarantees a mafia lynch,
   
6. Upon lack of guilties, cop outs DP sqrt(playerCount-1),
   
7. Inno'd players are confirmed,
   
8. Cop and confirmed townies cannot be lynched,
   
9. Pre-confirmed town survival rate approximated,
   
10. If cop is about to be lynched, he outs,
    
11. if mafia is about to be lynched, he claims cop, forcing the cop to out,
    
12. Upon outing, cop dies,
    
13. Confirmed townies receive priority death.
    
14. (Note that play is not 100% optimal.)
    

I prioritize balance to "bastarding". I think giving mafia one good fake claim isn't bastard, it's tantamount to being bastard if a town player can just say they are a character and will be automatically town confirmed too, I think giving a good fake claim or role isn't too messed up IMO. I've done it in the last like 10 games I've hosted though so at least it's been consistent lol. Peeps just gotta remember role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmations

It was def not as bastard as Speed's game, and I agree behaviour is king, which is why I probably would have lynched Zaradi after oro flipped inno.

The one scum game I played where you were mod, we weren't given fake claims, and I stopped trusting Grey's claim that you always gave fake claims when he flipped scum. I also looked through your past endgames, and didn't see fake claims mentioned in the OPs; but now I see that even though you gave mafia a cop fake claim, it isn't mentioned in the OP either. In any case I don't consider giving fake claims as bastard, I don't do it often but I've done it once for balance reasons.

Having a miller without a cop is kinda borderline. I think I may have put a mafia ninja in the game without a watcher or tracker. But what pushes it over the edge for me is that you gave mafia the cop fake claim, while having a miller.

Except outing results is what makes them a target to begin with.

So why did Mafia only make a single NK?