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Well I think it's pretty clear at this point I aint vig lmao.
You are SolonKR’s role from Danielle’s Orange is the New Black mafia. Your role: “SolonKr- You are Cindy "Black Cindy" Hayes, a town Vanilla. You don't have any particular skills or abilities, but you're hilarious. You win with the town.” https://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46148/
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@Zaradi
I disagree burh bickering is the most productive thing you can do in mafia short of hammering scum.Aight ladies break it up. Bickering between the two of you isn't actually going to lead to anything productive.
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Now if I was scum I'd hedge my bets and have 1 person claim their real character, 1 person come up with a fake claim. We know there's a thematic split so there's some room for analysis here.
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Everyone has claimed, very nice cooperation from town for the most part.
Claims in order:
(*) = claimed without being prompted
1. *Ragnar [repping Sir] - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. *drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. *Zaradi [repping Singularity] - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. *Discipulus - Geogrophia - Executioner (http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/104680/)
5. Bullish - SolonKR - vanilla or vig (www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46148/)
6. *Virt [repping Supa] - 1harderthanyouthink - ???
7. Grey - Danielle - ???
8. Oro - Marauder - doc (http://debate.org/forums/games/topic/9236/)
9. Pie - Nymphomaniac - ???
10. Water - PartamRuhem - ???
11. Speed - Hayd - ???
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damn speed I've never seen you push a lynch like this
VTL Speed
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Yall know how I do, there is no way I'm ok with a no lynch.
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@ILikePie5
Nympho was an alt of FourTrouble.Nope. Idk anyone on the list so far. They were before my days on DDO
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If we go by how the last few games have gone, Single is scum, and the other scum is on his wagon.
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(*) = claimed without being prompted
1. *Ragnar [repping Sir] - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. *drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. *Zaradi [repping Singularity] - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. *Discipulus - Geogrophia - Executioner (http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/104680/)
5. Bullish - SolonKR - vanilla or vig (www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46148/)
6. *Virt [repping Supa] - 1harderthanyouthink - ???
7. Oro - Marauder - doc (http://debate.org/forums/games/topic/9236/)
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Lets get at least one more, oro popcorn someone.
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Imagine if Supa and Single rolled scum together, and that's why they were so mad.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He was saying the Civil War game was themelessGP saying 'it is probably themeless'
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@Greyparrot
Whatever the reason for Oro not claiming, I am still absolutely 100% convinced Lunatic would have given Oro a safe name and a safe role claim if Oro was actually scum.
I am still absolutely 100% convinced
100%
"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
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@Discipulus_Didicit
There is no reason to VTL someone unless you want to lynch them immediately, therefore if DD VTL'd me earlier then he must have wanted my immediate lynch earlier.-oromagi 2020
I mean I believe that unironically.
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idk if this is about mafia, but never EVER take anything in mafia personally. I always adhere to the concept of "what happens in mafia stays in mafia."
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I've stopped on page 10 because I've been called upon in real life. This list is incomplete.
(*) = claimed without being prompted
1. *Ragnar [repping Sir] - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. *drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. *Zaradi [repping Singularity] - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. *Discipulus - Geogrophia - ???
5. Bullish - SolonKR - vanilla or vig (www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46148/)
6. *Virt [repping Supa] - 1harderthanyouthink - ???
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@drafterman
I've played serveral games where Endark was scum.I could only find three games with Endarkened in it and he was town in all of them.
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I agree that claiming characters (players) is better than claiming games.
The thing about these old DDO games is that they are so old, Google has stopped indexing a large number of them. As such, it would be very difficult to actually find all the games a player has played in even with drafter's googling trick. This makes claiming players better, because it's more difficult for scum to find a good fake role down the line.
Scum is also forced to balance a claim between claiming a player who has been in a lot of games and thus has had a lot of roles, versus a more obscure player in order to avoid being CC'd. The claim list so far as I've said have mostly been players who've played a lot of games.
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This is false. In truth I lock myself into an explicit claim very early on but I try to encrypt it or disguise it somehow if I don't think I should say. But I try to make it sufficiently sensible so that the clue could not be more than one possible claim. This should lend my claim credit for early claiming while preserving uncertainty where advantageous. I think everybody should be doing it because it makes fake claiming that much more dangerous.
In south park you were confused for Kenny.
Last game I thought you were Okoye given your "SPEAR" reference, which could have easily conflicted with my bodyguard role, given Okoye is literally a bodyguard for the black panther.
If it had been your intention to lock yourself down to a claim, you've failed. And your propensity to do this is exactly why drafter and I want to lock you down to a real character claim right now.
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I skimmed over the DP and just want to address a few things real quick before I do my catch up post:
Last night I was not in a state to play mafia, so I may have done some things this DP which are more retarded than usual.
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Here's a TUF modded game I played in, where I was scum: http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/70999/
In the scum PM, he explicitly said this: "Given the vast amount of characters and main characters in the series, I will not be providing any fake claims in this game."
There's no reason to assume he provided fake claims this game given the 300 games played on DDO.
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I am not "confirmed vig." In that game Solon played and was replaced in. Solon could have been vanilla or vig.
This was one of the retarded things I did last night, which I'm rectified this evening by rereading my role PM. But even then, it's still 50/50 if I'm vanilla or vig.
Since there's a pretty high chance that I am vig, I'm just going to tell everyone how I usually play as vig. If I'm vig I kill every night unless there's an exceptional reason not to. This is because I firmly believe in using every town directed kill available.
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@Vader
@SirAnonymous
bruh.
Oro was supposed to go next.
Why is this so difficult.
1. Sir - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. Singularity - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. Discipulus - Geogrophia - ???
5. Bullish - SolonKR - common role (a game I've played in)
6. Supa - 1harderthanyouthink - ???
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@Vader
For real? does that make you like 11 when you were on DDO? isn't that illegal or some shiti'm 1harderthanyouthink
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@Singularity
sounds like the best time to pressure!but this time I feel like I don't have much control of my emotions.
listen, if I vote you now, you'll be at L-1. I want you to prove you're not mafia right now without claiming. If you don't I'm gonna tunnel you the entire rest of the DP.
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I don't believe Single is wylted, wylted respected the game of mafia.
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@Lunatic
modkill supa and single if they say 1 more thing about this bullshit discord drama.
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@Speedrace
In this game we have 4 things associated with us:
1. our character, the player who played the mafia game on DDO
2. our character's character, which is the player's character in the DDO game they played
3. our character's role, which is the player's role in the DDO game they played
4. the DDO game in which our character played.
As long as (1) has played across a variety of DDO games, (1) has nor bearing on role or affiliation in this game, unless (4) is also known.
People should claim their (1).
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@oromagi
Ok I guess since DD was technically the last one to claim and implied he wanted to pick me, I'll claim.
1. Sir - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. Singularity - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. Discipulus - Geogrophia - ???
5. Bullish - SolonKR - common role (a game I've played in)
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VTL Oro
Popcorn!
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Stop claiming for no reason, popcorn, POPCORN the claims. As in only claim if you've been picked to claim by the previous guy.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
DD no.
1. Sir - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. Singularity - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. Discipulus - Geogrophia - ???
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@drafterman
@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm down with mass char claim since chars have no bearing on role.
Since Sir and drafter went first, lets just popcorn down the list. Drafter who's your pick?
1. Sir - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
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@oromagi
I'm gonna go with drafter. I only want 2 words out of your mouth in your first post. Your character, and your role. Cause fuck you oro.
UNVOTE
VTL oro.
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I don't have some sort of unusual role. I expected this game to be packed with funky roles which would have been cool.
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This takes me back. My character is from a game I played. In that game I told bsh1 I'll "kiss his @ss" if a single one of his scum reads were correct. I think that's where our beef really started lmao.
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I didn't end up having to kiss his @ss.
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@SirAnonymous
Your role description implied cap vs iron man.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think I was correct about Sir's stance on thematic split indicating he had inside info.
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@drafterman
Yeah Sir would have been lynched otherwise and there wouldn't even have been a DP2, because there would have been 8 players DP2, 4 of whom being mafia. So in hindsight I pushed the worst lynch possible.
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@Greyparrot
yo why did you claim NP3 suicidal when you were NP4 suicidal.
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@Speedrace
That didn't work out did it, cause it sure fucked me over.That was on purpose to favor town in whatever small ways I could since I realized I had already messed up
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Next time someone inexperienced mods, attach a co-mod to them. That was good while it lasted but now I'm just salty.
Cause look at this game. A 9-3-1 game wold already be considered scum-favored without power roles. Now consider that there were FOUR nights where 2 town could have died:
1. Siblings
2. Suicidal (explicitly recognized as a bastard role)
3. Judas, which is functionally equivalent to having 2 town die. (also explicitly recognized as a bastard role)
4. and suicide bomber
That's not even the surface of the bastard modding going on in this game.
First of all, mods need to learn this: you DON'T TALK ABOUT ROLE MECHANICS IN THE THREAD, if someone has a question about their own role, you PM them. If someone asks about roles "hypothetically," you don't answer them.
Secondly, the way Speed had RB and Siblings work were NOT NORMAL. In all games considered normal, being RB'd is indistinguishable from any other form of failed action, such as Ascetic, Commuter etc., and Siblings deaths is considered a non-preventable suicide.
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Put me in. Looking forward to finally playing a non-bastard game.
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@Vader
@BullishWhy didn't you protect one of us? That was a wasteful role. SMH
I did, yall got strongmaned.
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Town lost despite zero (edit, 1, I forgot about mine) mislynches and a blocked NK, this game cannot be described as anything other than "TERRIBLY misbalanced".
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