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Today I'd be down for a lynch on Lunatic or PressF. My secondary pool is SpeedRace and Oromagi.
If there are 3 scum within these 4, then we've won, because we get 1 mislynch.
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@Lunatic
I guess it could be a gambit where he forfeited the kill, but then I don't even know why he would have claimed dreamer.
Actually would make a lot of sense. If scum attempted to kill Grey and failed, a BP claim is the perfect gambit especially with the "I knew I was the NK target because of mod error".
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@Lunatic
Don't call what I did nothing that's just insulting. I spent 5 hours sunday reading the entirety of the FT Nightless game on DDO, and came to the conclusion based on meta that drafter is town.We all know nothing is for sure. One day you can scum read someone, the next you may town them. Kinda like how you did that with drafter, based on almost nothing after gunning for him hard dp1 XD
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@Vader
I do love how we're breaking trends and posting more in later DPs.
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@Lunatic
Anytime you declare "X will die" if "Mafia does X" you're giving more control to the mafia.How is that a mislynch set up? Do you know she is town?
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@Lunatic
I found the link:You guys realize that drafter literally made that post about always lynching inactives on christmas day? He was town in that game. That wasn't very long ago at all. less than two weeks. And he is already pretty much arguing the exact opposite of that post now, that inactivity is a weak thing to push for. What happened to the new policy of lynch all inactives?
This is a common refrain. An active town will eat itself in the presence of inactive scum. Inactives should always be pressured. The fault lies in Supas complete and utter overreaction as well as the veterans (myself included) that allowed ourselves to get distracted by it. I remember thinking Supa was town, but ultimately just got fed up with his behavior and actually forgot about my town read.Lynch all inactives.
I'm not posting this as evidence drafter is scum, I'm just posting this to make him mad.
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@drafterman
drafter you completely lose your grasp on basic logic when you're mad. Take 2 seconds to think about why that isn't circular.So I'm scum because I defended him and I defended him because I'm scum, regardless of his affiliation. How circular.
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It's because we know for a fact that YOU ACTUALLY DEFENDED IRON. "A therefore B, B therefore A" isn't circular reasoning if WE KNOW A TO BE TRUE.
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@Lunatic
Now THAT is a mislynch setup. So if we lynch anyone other than Single today, scum gets a free mislynch tomorrow if Single is town? This is beyond WIFOM.Tomorrow I think she [Singularity] will have to be the lynch though.
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@Lunatic
Dreamer sees "at least" 1 scum, so it doesn't confirm 2 townies.I can see why a dreamer would be targeted though over a cop if they have a lawyer/framer, because you don't just find one scum with that role, you confirm two townies.
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@Speedrace
Role cop: "if a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie is investigated, they return 'Vanilla'"
Conventions vary, so I wouldn't say confirmed.
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@drafterman
Ok my role doesn't specify and Supa wouldn't answer me, so I'll take this as a piece of evidence toward oro being town.
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@drafterman
if comedian works like role cop, then goons return vanilla. Isn’t that how it works on your own rolelist?
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@drafterman
It’s even night only, mentioned in my claim post.
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I might consider that Oro is actually 1x vig, that's why he was so interested in drafter's joke vig claim last DP. Also explains why he's been playing like a mislynch target, cause he wants to survive till his vig shot has higher chance of hitting scum.
If you are 1x vig Oro, please use it tonight so we don't get to MyLo and have to give up another kill.
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@drafterman
I asked if goon shows up the same as vanilla, got a "can't answer."
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@drafterman
I was going back to read some of mine, yours, TUF's , TV's old games for meta, statistics, and nostalgia. Your nonsensical behaviour in that game really struck me as being very similar your nonsensical behaviour in this one.
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I had a town read on pressF for that theory discussion we had. At the time I believed noob town was far more likely to fall into and use the "No-lynch DP1 fallacy," because they're afraid of the technically true fact that you're more likely to hit town than scum. However my opinion has changed. PressF's behaviour now to me seems that he's afraid of lynching town NOT because he wants to win with town, but because he's afraid of losing town cred.
Look at this post: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145197
If he was afraid Water might be accidentally hammered, then why did he put Water at L-1? If he's not afraid, why would he declare that the hammerer is scum as if he knew Water is town?
This could be the behaviour of someone who wants to kill town, but isn't have the risk tolerance to lose town cred while doing so.
Then he fails to show up at all at the end of DP1 and DP2, right after admitting that DP1 lynches are statistically good for town, presumably because both of those wagons were town, and pressF wanted neither to vote for them nor drive another wagon. This is the most damning factor.
This post by Water is what made me think he's town: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145205
"Jesus Christ" sounds like frustration, rather than panic I'd expect from mafia. The newer a player the more accurate an emotional tell is.
Later he lingers on the whole fluff post ordeal. Normally scum would be happy to be over that ASAP, but as town he may hold grudges and bring up from time to time.
Virt was killed NP1. He didn't post much, hes reads were inline with most people's, and I had a null read on him. NP1 mafia had a choice of 2 investigative roles, a JOAT, and a couple of lead players. This means A) the mafia team is highly risk averse, or B) Virt's actually onto something.
Virt went from "VTL Drafterman That has to be a scum role" to "drafter is my top town read" in 13 posts flat, which was super fishy to me at the time. But ultimately he just didn't really do anything noteworthy the whole DP.
I town read Lunatic for initiating the popcorn massclaim because mafia has a janitor, and could wait to DP2 to essentially deny claiming as a town tool. But he also pressured 3 people solely based off of their PM structure and I don't like that. Given my existing town reads and TUF's skill and knowledge of the game, I'm moving him down to null.
My conversation with Lunatic around page 10,11,12, I'm not sure if I convinced him to vote drafter, or he convinced himself to vote drafter, or if he 'conveniently found' reasons to get on a wagon he didn't think was going to happen earlier.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145609 this sounds like setting up a mislynch.
I don't like how Oro's read list just seems to move randomly: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145589
wasn't it just a few posts ago that he was townreading drafterman? What reason did he have to scum read the un-CC'd cop claim, given that cop has been in every Supa game? It seems to me that he moved drafter and iron to the bottom just because a couple of people mentioned them as prospective lynches and he's just bandwagonning.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145641 look at this bullshit, he moves iron from the bottom of the read list to the top because of like 3 posts that had basically no substance except for a safe potentially fake claim.
Oro also need drafter to convince him to lynch drafter, despite having drafter leaning sucm 2nd to last on his read list. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145817, and then continues to throw out there that drafter's wagon is scum heavy, despite drafter not flipping and he himself being on the wagon. This is not town behaviour.
btw I softclaimed here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145638 buy implying that my role is similar to Dreamer (1 useful result out of 3).
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145648 and https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145649 does not feel like a scum-scum interaction.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145836 "I don't really care about lynching that much" ... this isn't necessarily scum, but it's just such an anti-town attitude.
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@Greyparrot
Drafter's just like that. Did you see the FT Nightless game I linked? Out of 4 DPs, he was onboard with the scum agenda 4/4, and sussing the 2-3 townies that led a 75% scum lynch rate the entire time. And he was adamant about it.
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@WaterPhoenix
bruh,
I told my self a joke about oro, he was one of vanilla, vig, or doc. He claimed vanilla before I outted those results, so this doesn't incriminate or exonerate him.
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@WaterPhoenix
I already said that's not how my role works. This is part of why I'm so willing to buy that the mod messed up Pie's role, because my role doesn't work like it's described in drafter's role list. I choose a person and I tell myself a joke about that person. I know it doesn't make much sense but that's how it is.
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@Greyparrot
How does Virt's death make any more sense?The choice to have scum kill a dreamer (lying dreamer) doesn't make much sense over a cop.
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I checked Supa's past modded games. 3/3 had cops. I'm willing to bet the game on Grey actually being the cop.
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@Speedrace
No it just means he's not necessarily lying about being vanilla.
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@Speedrace
vig and doc. In the traditional version of comedian, all 3 roles would be in the game. But idk how Supa is running this role and he wouldn't answer some of the more specific questions I had. So those 2 other roles are basically irrelevant.
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@Speedrace
hes copped inno, theres no reason to believe scum would have lawyered him or if he's godfather at the same time.
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@WaterPhoenix
its a low utility role, even night only, might as well out my results since almost everyone has claimed anyway.
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@oromagi
I'm even night comedian, but it works differently from drafter's role list. In the role list, the comedian visits someone and tells them the name of a person and 3 roles in the game that they could be. But in my role, apparently I choose a person and learn 3 roles that they could be. Vanilla was included as 1 of the 3 roles in my results last night so it's inconclusive.
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I'm going to reread the DPs for behaviour now that we finally have a town-directed flip.
I buy myself, grey, drafter, pie and speed as town.
The wagons, roughly in order of votes:
Water - Singularity, Greyparrot, Bullish, Lunatic, drafterman, PressF
drafter - Bullish, GreyParrot, Singularity, Lunatic, oromagi, Water
iron (x) - Lunatic, GreyParrot, Bullish, Singuarity, ILikePie, Oro
Myself, GreyParrot, Singularity, and Lunatic are the only people even pushing wagons.
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@oromagi
I'm going to claim a power role that may determine your affiliation but it depends on knowing if you are vanilla or not before I claim.
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Drafter is TOWN and I'm dropping all scum accusations against him (not the making-no-sense accusations tho).
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yo I just reread Nightless Mafia by FT and me vs drafter (TGAP) in that was hilarious when also considering this game. https://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/28126/1#2176874
Nightless and this game, the interaction between myself and drafter are basically mirrors.
I opened both games with essentially random scum reads that I presented as certain. Then I proceeded to tunnel one of them (YYW in nightless, drafter in this game).
drafter made this post Nightless DP1: https://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/68236/20#2017038
I made this most SP DP1: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145788
Nightless, Drafter tunneled me the entire game. He said he'd "eat my hat if both F16 and Bullish are town". We were both town.
This game I'm tunnelling drafter hardcore similarly.
And some other examples...
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Just to clarify, this post of mine https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3491/post_links/147066 was in reference to this post of oro https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3491/south-park-mafia-dp2?page=11&post_number=258, where he pinged me and I was surprised by the content, not having read the previous few pages yet. At that time I was not aware the day ended.
irontoaster> Activity has no bearing on affiliation
bullshit, activity has big time bearing on aff. Scum are more likely to be inactive to avoid scum slipping and because a lot of people don't like playing scum. In my past experiences inactive policy lynches have also tended to work out in favor of town.
drafterman> What if the three main characters are the mafia? 🤔
see you are clearly OPEN to using emojis.
Also this statement just went unexplained, like wtf?
drafterman> Also, I tried to vig Bullish last night and it failed.
bruh
oromagi> Hey, Pie. If you are town you will make some kind of claim now.
why the fuck would he do that hes copped inno
Also Pie's role as-described is a deflector
drafterman> This is my problem with your proposal. If it is a slip and a mistake, then it is also a coincidence. It can't be not a coincidence AND a mistake.
Jesus why are you being delibrately dense this whole game. Something can 100% be a mistake and not a coincidence.
oromagi> I wonder what Bullish thinks of this turn of events?
I think you and drafter are scum and pie needs to confirm with the mod how his role works. Also I have no idea why he vig on me failed.
(this reply is no longer what I think)
SupaDudz> An escort works in this way> I choose _____, and any NP action against the person will be on ___( different person)____
Oh ok so pie is big time confirmed then.
Also this means single's watch was actually on drafter and no one visited drafter.
SupaDudz> There are many ways the escort is used and worded
No there aren't, you're literally the only mod to have ever used escort not as a synonym for hooker. https://town-of-salem.fandom.com/wiki/Escort
lmao. Time stamps too.
oromagi> DP3 = claim convincingly or hang
I was planning on anyway. see my next post and respond accordingly.
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yo I just reread Nightless Mafia by FT and me vs drafter (TGAP) in that was hilarious when also considering this game. https://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/28126/1#2176874
I have a bunch of posts queued up and I'll post them as soon as I return.
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uhhh cough coughWhat if the three main characters are the mafia? 🤔
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ur all wrong now lets stop the drama and get to the lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch irontoaster, hes basically resigned at this point
this is probably all im gonna say rest of today
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@drafterman
No we're the only ones being pro-town by actually using our the LYNCH, the primary TOWN-DIRECT KILL to lynch some shitters and win the game.
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Come on yall just lynch iron. It's clear the town doesn't have the ability to execute some basic basic strats. At the very very least I don't want us to no-lynch our way to being worse than than RNG-lynching.
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