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@Mikal
Alright. Follow up question, why put inactives on the list and above the very slightly sus? Moozer and Austin haven't even been on yet at all.
You didn't answer this question btw.
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@Earth
Why does everyone seem to misinterpret my jokes? That was clearly tongue in cheek.
Sorry, it wasn't very obvious to me.
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@Mikal
How would you solve it? 
I guess I was just looking for something a little bit more than "Earth is acting like Earth", especially since I myself have had false scum reads on him in the past, multiple times. That being said, I'm actually leaning scum on him now as I just mentioned, so I'm okay with joining this wagon.

VTL Earth
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Also, I just want to say that I love the amount of effort Savant is putting into this game (sincerely).
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@Mikal
Savant had you as null, I was the first one suggesting we pressure you or earth if I recall. 
Technically true, but when Savant tagged me for the first time, he said this:

I want to see yall post before I give my first set of reads. What do you think of the players that have posted so far?
If I had just been lurking and waiting to be mentioned, I would have shown up then.

Also, it's worth bringing this up: the DP was only about 4 hours old when I showed up. It's not like I was really that much of a latecomer.
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Okay, now #215 does make me raise my eyebrows. I don't think I've ever seen Earth act this genuinely offended before as town.
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@Mikal
In the past, and as shown in this game, earth hasn’t gone very in-depth and usually gives short responses. That kind of play could come from either town or scum, but it's hard to get a solid read without more active engagement. Mafia can win games by coasting, and while earth has been consistently contributing, he hasn’t taken any hard stances or pushed his own reads. It feels like he’s saying “I’m here,” but not “I’m locked in.”
You're right about all of that, but at the same time, that's why Earth is one those easy pushes in general - the ones that mafia like to try and push because they can often do so without seeming very scummy. That's why I also tend to lightly scumread the players who do so. Case in point, in CoD mafia, I myself pointed out that Moozer is another one of those players, although knowing that my scum partner (Mharman) was actually planning on making him a mislynch. It didn't end up going that way, but the mafia won anyway in the end.

Not that I'm saying your reasoning is bad or anything, and I'll cut you a little slack because you haven't played here in a while. But also, you do know Earth’s general playstyle as you yourself just said.

As for Banana, I still lean town on her for reasons I've already explained: her behavior hasn't noticeably deviated from her typical town play, but it is different from what I would expect of her as scum.
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@Mikal
Your instant reply felt like you were waiting to be mentioned before posting. 
If that was the case, I would have responded right when Savant tagged me, and not a couple hours later.
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Also, can you restate your case on Earth for me? Briefly, you don't have to go deep into analysis, but what's your reasoning again?
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@Mikal
Gut read, is just behavior, responses, and in general just additive things where I trust voting them enough to prioritize it. Something is a little off means you did something sussy but I am not sure its enough to prioritize you. 
Alright. Follow up question, why put inactives on the list and above the very slightly sus? Moozer and Austin haven't even been on yet at all.
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@Savant
Kind of want your instinct on this. Here's my current read on whiteflame:
I know you weren't addressing me, but I want to give some feedback as well, especially since you put so much effort in. I don't think your first two bullet points are actually alignment indicative imo. I feel like WF would probably act like that as either alignment, especially the first point. Your other points that contribute to your scum lean are a little bit better, but I don't find the case as a whole to be very persuasive yet.

As for who I scumread, I might be getting hung up over nothing, but I'm not a fan of #189 by Mikal. Why the separation between gut reads and players who just seem off? Those are the same in my mind. It kind of feels like maybe he's trying to subtly set up a wagon on me without being obvious about it? What do you think?
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@Mikal
Gut Reads / Instinct 
Innactives - General Liability 
Something just seems a little wrong. 
What's the difference between a gut read and something just seeming a little wrong to you?
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@Savant
Luna said it was fine, if it means anything. I figured he was the neutral source to go to.
Yeah, I saw that. I feel like I've softed my character pretty heavily in any case.
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Wow, there's a lot of roles on MS
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@Mikal
As soon as people started calling him/her out, she was immediately responsive. It seemed like within minutes. This typically but not always is a very plausible sign of scum lurking. I would almost say borderline scum slip with how fast the responded. 
That's fair, but I'll note a couple things:

  1. I usually respond pretty quickly when people actually tag me, as long as I'm not busy doing something else at the moment. You can ask the other players here for confirmation.
  2. The timing is mostly coincidence. I was fairly busy this morning and early afternoon. I started posting as soon as I was actually able to start participating in the game.
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@Mikal
It doesn’t violate anything. It’s meta in live games.
It is? It kinda feels like a cheap way to out scum largely through luck rather than actual deduction. But okay then.
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@Savant
I also have an alternative strategy for claiming shows: everyone does it at once. We all find an online clock, paste our shows in the thread, and at the exact same second (as it strikes 7 oclock EST, for example), we hit enter, submitting our characters to the thread. Scum have no time to look for competing claims to see what's taken.
That feels like an example of following the letter of the law while completely ignoring the spirit of it. I'm against it for that reason alone.
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@ILikePie5
I think we shouldn’t always lynch DP1 regardless if it’s Even or Odd. It gives us information of character/role/balance + player interactions/motives. These days even No Lynching on MYLO is scary cause Vote Thief’s have become common.
Idk about Luna, but I specifically made Vote Thief not work on MYLO days in my last game, for balance. Luna did once include a scum Super Saint that didn't deactivate at MYLO/LYLO tho, so who knows whether he'd do the same.

I buy Mikal's explanation for his post, personally. I'm not sure I agree 100% with the meta, but I at least understand it. Gonna have to look at some of his other games to get a solid read on him in general.
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@ILikePie5
What do you make of Mikal claiming he was doing a reaction test? I have never played with him before and barely even skimmed any of the last game, so I don't really know anything about his playstyle and whether or not he'd do something like that.
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@WyIted
I will remove my vote if anyone else has a new York based gameshow but so far the soft claims feel like California based.
California and New York, the only two places in America that exist!

Okay, for real tho, being a bit less snarky, I don't think this is the sort of theme split Luna would likely do. His splits are typically pretty straightforward, when he even includes one at all.
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@ILikePie5
Pressure doesn’t help this game. Scum have  fake character and fake role claim. They’ll just use that
Hmm, I don't like this post from Pie. Has he ever stated anything against the idea of pressuring players in general? I also don't agree with Savant that this is a townslip at all, it doesn't read as uninformed of the amount of fakeclaims scum have been given -- note the singular nouns 'character' and 'role claim'.
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@WyIted
Half the people here are 18 so he's the only possibility nobody here knows bob Barker or pat shack or Orlando Bloom
Genuinely, who here is 18 or around that age? I guess maybe Moozer or Banana, idk how old they are, but everyone else is certainly older.
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Oh yeah, Savant is probably town for post #70. I've never seen him do something like that as scum.
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@WyIted
You're free to come to your own conclusions about who I may be referring to.
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@Savant
Posting early draws attention, and I don’t think scum would be inclined to do so without a joke or something to justify the post, seem natural, etc.
For another player, I might agree with this logic, but I actually don't think Banana would likely start off with a joke or something fluffy like most would. I do townread her for other reasons, though.

I know it’s WIFOM, but if this post is alignment indicative (not convinced it is), I think the intent is to appear unafraid of gaining attention and hence towny, especially since WyIted is usually given a pass for such posts. Which in turn makes it a strategic move for scum.
I feel like that's NAI coming from Wylted specifically.

I understand WF’s frustration here, I really do, but their reasons for refusing Mikal aren’t framed from a game strategy perspective. The case could be made that Mikal’s strategy does work for reading WF, and WF only challenges it out of personal distaste.
Nobody would like automatically being pressured every game tbf. I myself have said that I hate this idea and think it's an incredibly lame and boring meta. (see Sopranos Mafia DP1 for a back and forth between me and Bullish about this topic.)
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As for my, my show actually premiered after 2000. You all know the host, I guarantee it.
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I kind of understand what Mikal is saying about Banana, but tbh I don't agree. Banana's suggestion for softclaims to get the ball rolling feels quite genuine to me, and her back-and-forth with Mikal helps my town lean on her. It doesn't remind me of her scum play, when she seemed fairly irritable and aggressive. Granted, she's only been scum once so far, so sample size of one, but it's still a diversion from her scum play, but not her town play.
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@Mikal
It’s logical. Dayphase 1 is largely useless. Best way to play it is no lynch if even or lynch if odd. 
You think so? Personally, I'm in favor of the town almost always trying to lynch someone except possibly at MYLO. (I didn't use to feel that way, but I've come to accept it as the best strategy overall.)
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Hello, I'm here, getting caught up.
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@Savant
Damn, that sucks.
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@Lunatic
Oh, I'm in for Game Shows. Guess it doesn't matter since it's a foregone conclusion at this point, but whatever
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@Lunatic
Alright, I'm /in if it means that much to you. Just don't expect me to be super active. 
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Maybe. Still pretty busy, and that's not looking to change anytime soon, unfortunately.
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@Bullish
I'm okay with that if Vader is
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@Lunatic
Like I said, I'll join if you absolutely need me to start. 
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I've been pretty busy lately and that's not looking to change anytime soon. I'lll in as /backup and if you absolutely need me to start. Otherwise, I'll sit this one out.
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I didn't really watch this game too closely after dropping out since I've been busy (the reason I dropped out in the first place), but it seems like the scum team did a good job, so congrats to them.

I will say, I agree with Pie that asking about a Vanilla was a dumb idea. I would have tried to strongly steer Mharman against that if I had remained in the game. 
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@Bullish
Are you all about behaviour over roles? sus 
Why is that sus to you? That's the opposite of sus imo. Behavior is king in this game. Behavior can catch scum even when mechanics don't. It's part of my design philosophy - mechanics should help the town, but they should never be the end all, be all. You have to learn how to actually scum hunt if you want to win as town.
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@Moozer325
Honestly, it surprises me too that I haven’t been targeted yet. The experienced players should know that I’m an easy mislynch, which maybe leads to the conclusion that scum team is less experienced.
Or, maybe they want to avoid being scumread by just following the path of least resistance. Or they're just binding their time and not pushing aggressively just yet. All this is assuming you're town, of course.

Out of curiosity, assuming the scum team really is relatively inexperienced compared to other players in the game, who would that point to for you?
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@Lunatic
But the big thing I noticed in this game is that there aren’t a lot of noobs, and since “noob mislynches” are kind of the common scum strategy I was interested to see who would push one of either banana or moozer. Not that I think they are noobs still but that people might look at them as being the easier types to mislynch. ATM I do town read banana and while I don’t neccesarily town read moozer I think the argument for cussing him is pretty weak especially when moozers gameplay has been consistently the same in the past.
I kind of get where you're coming from, Moozer does feel like he tends to be an easy mislynch target for scum as town. I think the last game he was in is a good example of that, not to mention Classic Movies Mafia. That game was unforgettable, for all the wrong reasons, though I mostly blame myself. (I know you said you though it was balanced Luna but it was NOT lmao).

That being said, I can't really say Moozer has done anything in particular to make me townread him yet, though I suppose the same is true of most players so far. I did ask my question to try and get some activity and judge people's responses, and then didn't really follow up on it because I've been busy with other things this weekend, oops. I will say that Moozer's response didn't feel very insightful to me, but I liked Banana's response. Whiteflame is hard for me to read as his behavior doesn't change much as either alignment. He's still firmly in my Null camp for now. Mharman feels good to me so far - at first he was low activity, but once he actually jumped in, he started feeling a lot better to me. The way he hinted at his thoughts on other players as a way to try and generate reactions reminds me of his usual town play, and not at all like his scum play in Inheritance Cycle, where his play honestly felt very lazy to me overall. I'm a little embarrassed I didn't peg him as scum sooner in that one.

I may have been a bit too quick to townread Bullish. I'm not sure how serious he was about having a FoS on the players that didn't townread him, but that feels kinda weird to me. Wylted hasn't given me too much to work with yet, but he feels good so far (just vibes). Luna is a slight town lean for posting a bunch of his somewhat disconnected thoughts. I don't think I've ever seen him do that as scum before - as mafia, he tends to be somewhat more reserved and lets things play out (when not faking results, that is). All the times I can think of him being more active in driving discussion, especially during DP1, he's been town.

These are just my immediate thoughts off the top of my head as I write them down on my phone, I'll revisit them later. 
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@Moozer325
I think Casey meant 57
Yes, I did, sorry.
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@Earth
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
I'm going to ping some of our low posters in particular here - what do you think about my question in #55?
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@Mharman
I usually observe a bit early in the DP just to get a pulse on things. I’ve found it helps my analysis.
Fair enough. In the interest of furthering discussion, however, I'll take a page right out of your book and ask you and everyone else a question: Do you think scum would be more likely to push for or against softclaims in this case? 
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@Mharman
Hold on, I'm dumb, I thought you hadn't even checked in yet but I guess you had. Was interested in hearing your thoughts on the discussion so far and was a bit frustrated that you hadn't shown up yet.
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@Mharman
Would Mharman like to say anything? 

VTL Mharman 
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@Lunatic
Nah I’m actually cool with not getting anymore soft claims, mafia getting 4 questions, we really don’t want to narrow things down. We can get a claim from someone we seriously suspect, but with this theme I feel like all characters are very easily reaearchable and I don’t wanna tomato’s off unnecessary more than we already have. 
I actually agree with this, in a game like this with a finite amount of plausible characters, it's easy to end up giving away too much info to the mafia this way. I know that pushing for early softclaims used to be my thing, but I also used to be less experienced at the time.
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@WyIted
We should confirm Casey's role this do
Why?
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@Moozer325
I haven't played with bullish too much, but what do people make of this post?

thank fuck I'm town cause I wasn't about to do research for this game

I'm genuinely asking, because there are some WIFOM arguments to be made that I'm not nearly advanced enough to see.

Tbh, that post already makes me lean town on Bullish. It feels like a candid admission to me.
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@Bullish
Wanna buddy? don't troll me I beg of you

VTL Casey
You're asking Wylted not to troll?
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Checking in. I have never played a CoD game in my life, so I have nothing to contribute to theme discussions. 
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