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@WyIted
I'll expand on my thoughts more when I get home, but right now I'm not seeing the case against Mharman.
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@ILikePie5
Anything in particular you don't like about it?
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I'm sorry everyone, I know I'm not up to my usual standards right now. Work has been occupying basically all my time, and on top of that, I dropped my phone last night and it broke. The hinge won't open all the way now (I have one of those fancy new folding smartphones) and the touchscreen is super wonky now. It's barely functional. Normally I'd drop out, but with the Town plagued by inactivity as it is, I don't want that to everyone else.
A few quick reads for now: Wylted very likely did not fake his claim imo. He was quick to claim and this seems like a tough one to research tbh. Plus, he's notoriously pretty bad at fakeclaiming. His fakeclaim last game was one of the worst I've ever seen. Also, behaviorally, his logic behind thinking WF modspewed AR as scum is kind of dumb, but I remember Austin once saying that using bad logic is a town tell for Wylted, and in my experience, that seems to be accurate.
Banana's entrance feels fine to me. Earth volunteering himself feels good to me. Can't townread Savant for his effort this game like in the last one, so he's null for now. So is everyone else I haven't mentioned.
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@Mharman
Thoughts, you guys?
Sorry, I've been at work all day. I feel like I'm not going to be that helpful until the weekend comes. For now, I have a TL on Wylted for behavioral reasons (I'll expand later). I'll have to reread to get solid reads on everyone else. The inactivity definitely isn't helping me out.
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@whiteflame
There's a step above it called Domain, and the interesting thing is that there are two whole domains for Prokaryotes (single celled organisms without a nucleus) - Bacteria and Archaea - and just one domain for everything else - Eukarya.
I see you aren't a believer in the two-domain classification system, then.
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@Savant
@WyIted
Actually, I was thinking of the signups page.
No, you don't need to have detailed knowledge of microbiology to understand the theme.
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@WyIted
This guy has a PHD in biology there is a good chance the theme split is some nuance none of us have any hope of deciphering without the same specialized knowledge.
I mean, WF quite explicitly said this wasn't the case in the OP.
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@ILikePie5
I would double check. AI isn’t always accurate.
Fair enough. Wikipedia also says gram negative.
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Checking in. Not going to be very active today. Google AI says I'm gram negative. I don't know what that means.
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@David
Hoping we can avoid that with the newer site by not relying on one owner. Gonna give multiple people access to the code. If you are willing to devote an hour or two to learning Node.js, plz join us. I can send you the discord link.This is exactly what we will be doing to ensure continuity.
That's good! I think the number one other thing you need to do unlike this site is have some actual good search engine optimization. It's crazy how difficult it actually was for me to stumble upon this one.
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@Savant
I've taught myself some coding to a very basic level in the past. I'll consider it.
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Is this going to become a cyclical thing, with the website dying and being reborn out of the same community?
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Current Mafia:
None
Sign ups:
Whiteflame - Microbiology
In the Hopper:
Earth - Tales of Symphonia/Xenogears/Skyrim Mafia
iLikePie5
On hold
Mharman
Wylted - Lulsec
Casey Risk - Deltarune Mafia
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@Lunatic
To be fair, pie was unrelenting on this point, and it was one of the major things that got him killed lol
Yeah, fair play to Pie. I just wish the rest of the town would have listened to him on that point.
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Also, what happened with Austin and Moozer both claiming they didn't submit a guess? Was that really just a moderator error?
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Wow, good job to the mafia! I totally didn't suspect Mikal at all after late DP1.
I will say, I am very frustrated that the town believed Banana when she claimed my character and role. I thought it was SO OBVIOUS that I was softing Fear Factor. Even Wylted pointed this out! I was actually beginning to sus Banana by the end of day one and was considering targeting her, but I had been laying down hints that I was going to use it on Mharman and wanted the town to actually be able to follow my hints correctly in case I died. I didn't expect to be Janitored, however.
Balance feels slightly scumsided tbh, but it was a good game regardless!
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@Mharman
if that's hammer lemme post my notes
Not hammer yet, WyIted should be at L-1
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@Savant
Standard Operating Practice. It's used for negative utility roles that are typically automatically claimed, like Miller and Hated.
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@WyIted
1x cop? You know there is a question to answer every DP right?
I was under the impression that the prize would be different each time. It's what the OP seems to imply
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@WyIted
I know after that claim I would be lynched it's precisely why I wouldn't make that claim as scum. I would just take the provided fake claims. This looks opportunistic on your part. Why would I claim something this ridiculous as scum?
Come on, WyIted, you know that this is a WIFOM argument, and it's weak.
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@WyIted
It's literally the only reason anybody remembers the show from what I gather
Not really. The 'Legacy' section of the Wikipedia article doesn't seem to mention it at all.
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@WyIted
Once again I am not a full miller. I am an even night miller.
That doesn't really change anything for me.
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@whiteflame
Does literally anyone else in this game have a role that's related to a single episode of their game show? Because that's fucking baffling to me. Also just a baffling claim in general.
Not me. My role is based on the way my show works in general.
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@Savant
Unless a cop comes forward to confirm WyIted, that's where my vote stays.
Actually, that's a great point. It's already been pointed out that a Godfather is an unlikely way to balance for a potential 1x Cop that the town may or may not even get. The same would seem to apply to a Miller.
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@WyIted
You're right, that claim does reek of BS. There was once a serial killer who appeared on the show and therefore you're the Miller? What?
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@Mharman
Wylted was at zero votes before Savant voted for him according to Luna's last vote count
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@WyIted
Screw it, I don't think I'm getting Mharman's claim tonight, and Wylted doesn't look much better to me right now.
VTL Wylted
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
WF is right, I'm a bit reluctant to change my vote here. I'll think it over some more when I get off work.
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I'll post more when I get home. For now, suffice it to say that I'm questioning my longstanding town read on Banana. I still want to stick to my guns on Mharman, but I don't think that WF is an altogether terrible choice to push for a claim if we're going to do that.
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@Earth
Mharman is null for me. I'll vote for him to prevent a mislynch though.
I'll vote for anyone to prevent a no-lynch, but unless he does something to change my mind, he's my main focus right now, and if he doesn’t get lynched today, he will remain that way.
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@Mikal
@iamanabanana
I wanna ask both of you a question. Assume, just for a moment, that both of you are town and Earth is also town. Who would your top scumread be in this scenario?
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@Earth
I don't remember if its a common Mhar reaction, but I can see him getting frustrated if he gets pressured in a perceived BS way.
Does he even clearly understand why he's being pressured, though? It doesn't seem that way, given that he said he was still catching up. Personally, I was instantly reminded of Mharman's behavior in Villainous Villains.
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So, is everyone just going to ignore Mharman's #680? I actually really want to push him for a claim now.
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@iamanabanana
Is it a common enough occurence to justify the stance that more obscure roles are "safer" to claim than common ones? If so maybe I will give whiteflame a pass on that argument.
I'll put it this way: in a game like this where the mafia is given fairly minimal help, I definitely think they would be incentivized to try and claim less common roles, especially early on, to avoid a CC.
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@iamanabanana
Let me ask, is people getting CC'ed a pretty common occurrence here? I think the last game was the first time I've seen someone actually get CC'ed. I technically CC'ed earth in russian mafia, but the mod admitted fault there for accidentally putting the phrase "first tsar" in two PM's.
There was also a CC in the last Lunatic game, Serial Killers. That2 and I both claimed Cop. The mafia wasn't given any fakeclaims in that one, and the ones they came up with on their own weren't very good. You can see some discussion of this in the Endgame thread, but it's certainly part of what led Luna to give the mafia a little bit of help in this game. Without any fakeclaim assistance, however, being CC'ed is always a real threat.
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@Mharman
Yes I see the pressure… hell no + piss off
Love this reaction from Mharman...
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Okay, gotta get to work. I'll post when I can, whether that be on break or just when I have a free moment.
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We need to lock in on someone but need to lock in on behavior. Specially if there is a fake claim. I just can see this happening. We go person by person and every claim sounds good and then we’ve given up to much.
This is a really towny concern for Mikal to express, especially considering I've seen this happen before. I'm actually starting to lean town on Mikal.
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@Mikal
And I’m not sure if new or old does what I’m thinking justice and may be worded poorly. I just don’t think of Survivor as like what I could consider a game show. Granted that’s subjective.
Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from, though I will say that my own character isn't exactly what I think of as a 'traditional' game show, though it's closer to it than Survivor.
My shift at work is starting soon, so I'll be low activity for the rest of the day.
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@Mikal
Survivor is certainly new and I am not sure I buy into a certain year split but I do wonder based on my show if it’s older shows vs newer or something like that
If you believe this, however, you should also think that I'm scum because I'm also post-2000. Savant is as well iirc (might be wrong about that, I haven't checked).
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@whiteflame
Both Mharman and WyIted could fit that bill. I'm used to seeing the former really break things down and find small tells that indicate plausible scum. He also tends to be more interactive in the way he plays when he gets going, and I've mostly seen him on the sidelines here.
It was indeed Mharman. I was going to wait for him to show up to see how he responded to me, but we have less than 24 hours left at this point and we need to move towards a lynch. I think we should consider Mharman, largely for the reasons that you just stated. He's been on the sidelines, his reads are unremarkable and have progressed little, and if Mikal's theory about scum trying to just let the Earth lynch happen is true, it would seem to implicate him.
It would also implicate Wylted, who I'm not super happy with. The one thing I've liked about his behavior was when he came up with that possible theme split early on - that felt fairly genuine to me. But I haven't seen anything else from him that I've liked.
Between Mharman and Wylted however, Wylted has at least given me something to townread him, however small. Mharman hasn't. I want him to weigh in more.
VTL Mharman
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There's a player here whose play I've been a little bit disappointed in. I wonder if everyone knows who I'm talking about.
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@AustinL0926
Also, Casey, since you're around, is there anything you think I should prioritize looking into? I'm at school rn, don't have a ton of time but I am trying to catch up as best as I can.
Good question. Do you think #534 by Moozer is actually a scumslip like Pie suggested? At first I wasn't really sure, but then he made that post where he said, "Besides, I was part of the four, so I wouldn't call myself a mislynch." Which is just a weird statement? I don't know what he meant by that.
I can see it being nothing, but I'm also having a hard time finding a reason to townread him. What do you think?
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@whiteflame
As for Banana, I think she mostly has some good reads this game, but... yeah, there are some surprising gaps and misreads. Maybe that's just a matter of the DP being so long and her having so much to synthesize, maybe it's the fact that I'm one of her scumreads and I just don't understand her reasoning against me. [...] It doesn't really help that a number of Banana's lower reads don't feel fleshed out. The read on Austin doesn't mention his character and role claim, the read on WyIted seems vague and doesn't really engage with anything other than his speculation, and the read on Moozer she admits is based entirely on his being defensive of her rather than any specific behavior on his part.
I get what you're saying here, 100%, and I don't think this is an unreasonable take. That being said, I'm not as convinced by this line of reasoning for the same reason I brought up earlier: Banana often uses this sort of logic as town. In The Russian Mafia in particular, her defense of That2 had pretty much nothing to do with That2's own behavior and everything to do with everyone else's behavior around her wagon. Even as the mod watching that game, I thought this was really bad logic, but it was sincere.
I dunno, I just kind of feel like if Banana was scum, it would be a bit more obvious? In the one game she played before where she was scum, it became evident to me pretty soon after she received even a small amount of pressure. But maybe she's improved quickly. I can believe that and am not totally discounting that possibility. I just don't think it's the most likely.
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@whiteflame
On Mikal, I've seen the argument that he could be trying to draw attention to a variety of "easier" targets to lynch, which is something we've seen scum use as a tactic before. If he's doing that, then he's doing a pretty slap-dash job of it, which doesn't comport with the attention he's putting into his reads. I'd say it's more likely that, if he is scum, he's drawing attention a set of players in the hopes that he can keep drawing lynches to that pool and away from others. I can understand that take-away from his posts so far, I just can't say that's my read. If anything, he's a little too dedicated to a couple of specific lynches that aren't gaining traction. I don't fully agree with his takes, but from someone who just hasn't been in this community for a while, I understand them and they read as townie to me.
Honestly? Yeah, I can see this argument. I've gone back and forth on Mikal in my mind, but I do think the way he responded to me felt towny - a little bit frustrated, perhaps, but also clearly explaining his reasoning in a way that made sense to me.
The only thing that still kind of bothers me is that it still feels like he put a lot of focus on Austin and Moozer when the DP was still fairly young, enough that I felt like calling them inactive was a bit premature. But I can see a world where he does this as town, and it doesn't feel too implausible to me.
In any case, I got Mikal to respond to what I wanted him to respond to, and it has at least slightly improved my perception of him. I think it's clear that he's not going to be the lynch today regardless, so I will:
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@Mikal
I just had an epiphany as I was typing that. What if earth is town and scum are not pushing or jumping on the lynch because he is an easy Mislynch?
Honestly? I can see that. I remember one game in particular (Bo Burnham Songs) where I suddenly had the idea that scum probably wouldn't be trying hard to push me, as I had claimed to be overall negative utility and was getting a lot of sus. That realization led to us catching WF on DP1. Right now, I have this gut feeling that scum are mostly or entirely among the less active players.
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