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@Mikal
Whiteflame or supa.Leaning whiteflame.Sus on pie
I agree with the sus on Pie. In fact, I'd say he's my scummiest player rn. I don't like the way he's been going back and forth on who he's pushing. First he thinks Luna v Vader is an early bus (???), then he's agreeing with Wylted that I'm probably scum, then he's back to pushing Vader. Still wants me to claim though after practically everyone else has already done so.
I’m not sure I buy the compulsive visitor shit. Inb4 he would never do that as scum. 3 games he’s did it and every-time I get this gut feeling I’m right. Almost 100 percent on my scum call outs with him. Just vividly remember arguing with Luna over something similar in my first game back. “Wf would not do something so lazy” and I called it out in the first page and was right. I’m getting those same vibes again.
Yeah, that's the thing about those sort of arguments. Experienced players come to know their own metas and know that everyone else also knows their own meta, so they know to switch it up from time to time. That's why I hate self-analysis as an argument and give it very little weight.
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@ILikePie5
I would like a character claim from Casey
Right, because the one thing we haven't had enough of yet today is claims.
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@Lunatic
I don't see how that last line changes things, but you've been absolutely contrarian to everything I have said this day phase so far, so I guess that's to be expected at this point.
It's not that I still scumread you, I just get the strong feeling that you v Luna is a town v town fight.
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@Vader
If you think you're going to be mislynched, you should be giving your reads as well
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@Mikal
Who are your top scum reads right now? If you could lynch anyone, who would you choose?
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@Lunatic
Also this is basically a slip, but supa just agreed with me that from my POV ref should be seen as scummy for defending him so much and being non committal about lynching supa. But supa was supposedly scum reading me, and currently his vote is still on me. So why would my pov even matter if he thinks I am scum?
I don't really think this is that damning tbh. Especially considering the last sentence of his post.
I don’t think it’s weird and obvious I’m going to agree with what he’s saying to an extent cuz I’m town but if I’m in anyone else’s shoes I’m sus
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@Lunatic
"I mean town are going to lose no matter what because the eventual train is going to come onto me and since the wagon is already building it's pretty much pointless to even argue. Best case scenario is we no lynch here and I just get lynched next DP. Fuck I absolutely screwed the pooch with this one." 50
It's funny that you bring this quote up, because I feel like he's acting similarly here, acting as though he's bound to be mislynched today no matter what even though the wagon on him has actually been cool for a little while now.
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@Mikal
I hate to say this but I’m really starting to town rews supa790 seems genuine as shit
I actually have been town reading him for a bit, but contrariwise, 790 is the one thing making me doubt that read.
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@Mharman
Another correction, in addendum to this update.
Get ready for another, because I already unvoted earlier
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@Lunatic
Does anyone remember the game I am talking about and can reference it? It was semi recent like within 10 game or so
I do know what you're talking about, but it wasn't nearly as recent as that. Shocking TV Moments
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As far as WF's claim goes... It doesn't really move the needle for me. The justification is so-so at best if you ask me, but so is my own justification.
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@ILikePie5
Do you believe Shortsword is a Vanilla?
I can buy it. The justification makes enough sense to me and Mikal even said the justification at least was good. I know nothing about Terraria so I'm leaning on the opinions of others who know the game better for thematic information.
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@JoeBob
I’m a bit rusty, what does the compulsive visitor do and why are people acting like it’s a scummy role
The compulsive visitor has to visit someone every night, but the visit doesn't do anything. It's scummy because it's a convenient way to explain having visited someone.
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@Cerulean
Unless that's normal Town Joebob?
He's like that as both alignments from what I've seen. I did like his vibes early in the DP, but he's mostly lost me since then. I'm feeling a similar way about you, tbh.
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@Mikal
My gut is telling me it’s whiteflame and I can’t explain why. It’s doing that shit where I just read him as scum
I can see that. WF is in my null reads right now and I'd be okay with pursuing him as a potential lynch option. I don't particularly like any of the wagons that have already formed.
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@ILikePie5
Mikal explicitly gave the example with the axe. It’s literally verbatim. His own PM contradicts the whole tier thing. Not to mention him asking Mharman something that was explicitly written in his PM.
He said that his character wasn't tiered but his PM mentioned tiers. In other words, it didn't have an adjective (like 'iron axe') but there were still tiers to his character. This is also how Vader himself explained his post. It just took me a bit to get what he was saying. Vader can be kind of confusing sometimes.
Maybe, but I think you as scum would have gone for the bus anyway. It'd fit with your style.How so?
Wylted is a very bold player, both as town and as scum, but especially as scum imo. I'd expect him to be willing to take the risk of an early bus. Maybe he still wouldn't, but I wouldn't expect him to make a post like #687:
I have no reason to town read supa so I am willing to vote for him if we are forced to in order to coalesce around a lynch. I can't help but to think there must be a better option available though
It's so passive. It kind of defends him but also kind of doesn't. I don't think this would necessarily mean anything for some, maybe even most other players, but I'd expect scum Wylted to be more decisive, either defending Vader outright or just voting for him. The fact that he's being so open to other options, however, makes me feel like he's town. It's also how I knew he was town in The Sopranos Mafia - after Vader contradicted what I said about how my role worked, he could have just said that, started a wagon on me, and I probably would have been lynched. But he didn't, because he wasn't trying to lead a lynch on anyone, he was a townie trying to get a solid read on me so he could accurately solve the game. That's the Wylted I've seen so far in this game.
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@JoeBob
I find it odd that Savant CC Vader in the first place. Unless he thought that there was only one vanilla, like you said in this large of a game, which I find weird.Unless he later explained it and I missed it.
He did explain already that he thought at first that there would probably only be one vanilla in this game, before realizing that there likely would be more than one.
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@JoeBob
Well for starters, I think that there is likely a scum between Savant and Vader. The fact that Savant CC’ed him, along with the points others have made about there unlikely being two vanilla. I also find Savants activity unusual, but he is working on the new site after all.
Why do you think there's only one vanilla at most? Put it in your own words.
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@WyIted
It implies she knows supa is town? Obviously if he was scum and I was scum I might have reason to heaitate
Maybe, but I think you as scum would have gone for the bus anyway. It'd fit with your style.
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@WyIted
For obvious scum slip the rest of you all missed
Care to elaborate?
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@Cerulean
Double voter as scum seems like a weird balance decision, since it essentially gives Town one less mislynch by its mere presence.
Depends on how it's implemented. It's not uncommon for roles like that to deactivate at MYLO/LYLO - you should be aware of that possibility, given that you were on the scum team with the Vote Thief that had the same debuff in The Russian Mafia.
I do townread Wylted for other reasons, however. I feel like scum Wylted would have jumped on Vader's wagon by this point. #710 also feels like it's coming from town Wylted to me; it lines up with his meta.
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@WyIted
I don't really understand why you'd play coy and keep the fact that you are a double voter hidden while it was obvious that something was up with the votes. The scum team would have easily been able to figure out that you were the double voter anyway (they almost certainly already did).
Also,
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Also,
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@ILikePie5
I don’t think that’s the issue tbh. The issue is the fact that he’s contradicting what he said about his own PM.Cause he claimed after he revealed there wasn’t tiers, so it’s possible he just messed up the fake claim. Wouldn’t be the first time he’s messed up.
See my post #661.
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@Mikal
I think that is a super generous interpretation but I’m just los that he said no category, not a tier. Change it. Admit he’s in the wiki and you see the screenshot. It’s in big letters.
I'll grant that it is generous, but it's kind of the only way I can make sense of his posts.
I am really struggling to parse this as genuine confusion and I don’t think supa is that dumb or if he fumbled a fake claim.
Well, that's the thing - whether he's town or scum, he's clearly messed up his claim badly.
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@iamanabanana
This game is moving a bit fast for me but I can see I am being asked to vote. I’ll try to catch up later on, but I hope this pace doesn’t continue because this is just slightly too fast for me right now.
Given that this is a very large game, it's not surprising to me that we've had a lot of activity so far. I do expect things to gradually slow down as the game progresses.
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@Mikal
Once Ana votes we will know one of the following1) if her vote is stolen2) wylted or Vader can vote 2x3) scum has a way to put an extra vote but hide it.
3 seems most likely to me, personally. Idk why Wylted or Vader would give away that they have a double vote so early.
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@Mikal
I really struggle to follow how lost he is. Specifically because I used axe and iron axe to clarify what I was asking for and his is short swords
I... Think I can see what Vader is trying to say now? The ISO is actually helpful here. But basically, I think that by 'category', Vader was trying to refer to the 'iron' in 'iron axe' in the example that you provided. Since his role PM originally (according to Vader himself) had shortsword written out as two words, it would have appeared to be like an iron axe, but the mod clarified that it was actually like axe. I think that's what Vader was trying to say when he said his character didn't have a category - that it didn't have an adjective like the 'iron' in 'iron axe'. Though if that is what he was trying to say, he should have just said that instead of wording it in such a confusing way.
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@Cerulean
The main susses up to Page 14 were Lunatic and Vader and they're still the top wagons now?
Luna is technically the top wagon but there's also an apparent hidden voter there. It's a pretty stale wagon, however, no real momentum behind it. Vader looks like the most likely wagon right now.
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@Cerulean
So far, what actually has me hung up on Lunatic's alignment is 306, because it reads like an assumption Joebob is Town.
I do see where you're coming from, but personally, I don't see it that way. I don't think you've played a game with JoeBob before, but he tends to be a low poster and not a super contributory player. It was clear from how he was contributing at the beginning of this game that he's actually invested this time around (presumably due to actual knowledge of the theme), but he's kind of dried up since. So, I get what Luna is saying and don't see it as a scumtell necessarily.
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@Cerulean
Is there a way to see who's liked a post? I've seen a couple I'd like to know, although I'm not sure how relevant it would be.
I don't think so, no. But you can always ask.
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Asking for feedback on Pie from players who are more familiar with his style. Is he normally so bombastic? The very brazen and decisive reads make me lean town because scum are usually more risk-averse DP1 but is this just his playstyle?
Definitely. Pie is one of those players who has a VERY consistent meta, and nothing about his play so far is out of the ordinary.
I'm just not confident in my ability to read Casey. I've heard that he's a good player and I'm not at all familiar with his playstyle, and he's being very reserved. I do agree with a lot of what he posts but he also could be buddying me, which I'm paranoid about.
Fair enough, I have actually been less active so far than I initially intended. As far as the Vader wagon goes, I do understand it and am not totally opposed to it simply because even if he doesn't get lynched today, he's still probably going to carry a lot of suspicion through the rest of the game, and it's useful to get that cleared up early. That being said, something about it feels off to me somehow. Like, maybe he just screwed up really bad as scum, I'm not ruling that out. But at the same time, the way he went about his claim doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me from a scum perspective. In particular, I'm really inclined to believe him when he says that his pm said "short sword" (two words) when it should have been one word. Of course, it could still be a fakeclaim.
I do get the feeling that Vader is probably going to be the lynch today regardless, and I don't think he's necessarily a bad choice (losing a VT is hardly the end of the world after all). I'm just not super confident in it. But I'll admit that I don't have any better alternatives that I'm more confident in right now.
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Current Mafia:
Mharman - Terraria Mafia #1
Sign ups:
None
In the Hopper:
Mikal- Open dm concept
Casey Risk - Deltarune Mafia
iLikePie5
Savant
Lunatic
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
I do see where you're coming from with #600. The thing about it is that the second post you quoted is borderline gibberish to me. Like, I actually don't understand what he's trying to say at all. I would like to have Vader clarify.
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@Mikal
I really doubt 2 vanillas
I don't. Like I said earlier, look at Mharman's history as a mod. All of his previous games have had multiple vanillas, except for Gunplay Mafia, which only had one, but that was a notable change of pace for him.
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If you're an oldhead and you need to know this:
Equally useful to the noobs here imo
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@Mikal
Mharm specifically mentioned in sign ups and in voice this game was going to be chaos. I don’t see 2 vanillas being in nor do I think supa would glance over the big fucking word category on the wiki page.
This game can still be chaos with two vanillas. 12 power roles is a lot
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@Lunatic
Because why would a townie need to look anything up to answer questions about their on when the mod provided them all the info they need to know in their role PM? The only time I look at wikis is when I am scum researching for information to support a fake claim.
This is one of those things that varies from player to player. I myself looked up my own character on the wiki not long after this game began, mainly to make sure I gave accurate information when participating in the mass softclaim that Mikal was pushing. I don't think this is actually a particularly strong point here.
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@whiteflame
I’m null on Casey. Keep going back and forth - I think calling out the Vanilla claim due to the role madness setup gives him a bit of towncred (assuming it’s real, haven’t had a chance to look for it), but I also think Casey’s reasons for saying Luna was sus felt a little weak, mainly just supporting my view on Strengthener and claiming that Luna was buddying them.
Fair enough, I'd probably read myself similarly. I will say that upon further reflection, I'm not even very convinced by my own case against Luna anymore, and partially for the mitigating factor that I myself brought up - Vader also townreads me for largely the same reasons as Luna. Also, I realized that Luna wasn't actually talking directly to me when he said that he townreads me like he did in Microbiology Mafia (which is what made me start to sus him there).
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@ILikePie5
What does silk have to do with strengthening?
Isn't it explained right there? Silk strengthens your character, apparently. If this is incorrect, someone surely would have called it out.
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@whiteflame
@JoeBob
@Cerulean
@iamanabanana
@Ultracrepidarian
See above
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I'll expand more later, but right now I find myself siding with Resurget more than Mikal. I'm not convinced on Vader.
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@Mikal
he said his pm said he’s a short sword. It would not say “a”. Mine says I am (xxx)s. a short sword doesn’t exist
I'm going to be honest, this point doesn't mean much to me. Vader has gotten minor details about his role PM wrong before. This feels like it could easily be a genuine error.
also regardless of whether he was told by Mharm it was a category or not. He was on the wiki and it’s clearly labeled as category in big letters
Can you point me towards where he said it wasn't a category again?
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@Savant
In the absence of any mod statement that this game is role madness, the existence of multiple vanillas is not a CC. If you look back at Mharman's previous games, he's always included multiple VTs. (Gunplay is the lone exception).
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@Castin
This is a tricky game, a lot of the time it seems like you guys aren't basing your behavioral reads on very much at all.
Reads tend to be pretty inaccurate during DP1, simply because we just don't have much information to go off of. Reading into little things in the early game is simply par for the course. Come DP2, things will start to change.
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@Mikal
I told him sorry for busting his balls and he gave me that back. I have no idea what to think anymore. Because that feels like it mod confirms supa and he is trying to cover up for the fact he gave supa wrong info
Yeah, this is why I hate relying on mod info in mafia. I feel like we should maybe do more to limit it tbh. In any case, I can see this being the truth. I'll still wait for Vader to get back online and defend himself, but something about him feels like he was genuinely confused as opposed to just being scum caught in a lie.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
It's a LAL thing.
Feels like I'm perpetually learning new acronyms. What's this stand for?
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