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@drafterman
The neurochemical rush of hate is intoxicating, isn't it.All I hear is that the mods can't handle the stress, the workload, or are even willing to do their job. The lot of you should resign.
Yessss. Give in to your hate, young Skywalker.
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@drafterman
Mods are human beings, and you guys can be really intense about your grievances. Humor can be a stress reliever and a way to fend off emotional burnout. As far as I've seen, it's usually something mods do once they feel exasperated with previous efforts to address a complaint.I'm not disputing the humor, but I'm seeing a disturbing penchant for dismissing users with jokes instead of addressing their concerns.
But if this comment was even a little bit inspired by my "your complaint is that we listen to complaints?" post in that other thread, know that it definitely wasn't my intention to be dismissive or make you feel laughed off. It was a real question asking for some clarity. I just tend to reach for humor in most interactions. It's just my nature. Humor is how I stay sane. Well... sane-ish.
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@Wylted
My attention is still on my read of Ragnar's manifesto. But I'd never heard of the Yezidis.
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@disgusted
Why do you even ask theists these questions when you are going to dismiss and refuse to consider any answer?
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@Wylted
Read this. This is almost a unifying belief system espoused by satanists https://archive.org/stream/MightIsRight_966/MightIsRight_djvu.txt
"Open your eyes that you may hear, O! men of mildewed minds and listen to me, ye laborious millions!
For I stand forth to challenge the wisdom of the world; to interrogate the 'laws' of man and of 'God.'
I request reasons for your Golden Rule and ask the why and wherefore of your Ten Commands.
Before none of your printed idols do I bend in acquiescence and he who saith 'thou shalt'to me is my mortal foe.
I demand proof over all things, and accept (with reservations) even that which is true.
I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat — your Hebrew Madman) and write over his thorn-torn brow, 'The true prince of Evil — the king of the Slaves!' "
This is proving to be an interesting read.
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@Mopac
For a long time in history Satanism seemed to be merely an accusation made by Christians of undesirables, or something that cropped up as paranoid conspiracy in climates of superstition. As far as I can see, self-admitted Satanists and that whole movement are a pretty recent development. Your description of them may be relatively accurate.Satanism at its essence is making oneself an idol before God.Now with that understanding, and the eyes to see, satanism is actually very popular and even covertly encouraged by culture today.Most satanists claim to be atheists. Really though, they take themselves as god. It is reflected in their pride and arbitrariness.
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@disgusted
The article in my link attempted to address those questions.
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@disgusted
You're asking a question about people's beliefs and then saying "no beliefs permitted". I disapprove.
I know -- crushing, I'm sure.
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@Wylted
Oh, I certainly don't expect all Satanists to share an organized or rigid pattern of belief. I actually expect the opposite -- that they would be in varying and individualistic groups with an emphasis on personal freedoms and self-determination without a central authority. But to even have a name, Satanism, there must be some common denominator unifying belief, which is what I'm asking about.
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@Wylted
I was under the impression "satan" was merely the Hebrew word for "adversary".
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@Wylted
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Thread primarily made with Wylted in mind, but much thanks to anyone who takes the time to answer this topic and open up about their personal beliefs. I've never met a Satanist. I grew up in an extremely Christian-dominant area and they're something of a curiosity to me.
What is it about this religion/ideology that draws you to it or makes you feel that it presents the best interpretation of life?
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@Wylted
Oh, if you're about to hit the sack I can hold off posting it until tomorrow. Otherwise, it's ready to post now.
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@Wylted
In the next fifteen minutes, if that's okay.
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@Wylted
K. Wish we could tag people in our OP.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Y'know I've heard that, what exactly were the mechanics of this superhuman public opinion manipulation? I'll assume as his time as mod he faced criticism like our current mods do.
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@Wylted
If I open a thread asking about it in the religion forum would you be cool with responding?
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Moderation does spend the majority of its time dealing with personal attacks. They seem to've made up, like, 80% of all the drama and messes. Legalizing them actually sounds pretty tempting. A lot of the ambiguity you're talking about seems to surround personal attacks, too.
Did airmax ever enforce the rules in DDO's terms of service or were they basically ignored?
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@janesix
The winter solstice used to be a bigger deal than it is today. Ditto for the summer solstice. We seem to be losing that time when we had a bit more of a connection with nature. We don't stop and take time to just feel the pulse of the Earth anymore.
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@Wylted
You're a Satanist?
I'm actually dying for more interesting discussion that doesn't center on Christianity or the three Abrahamic faiths.
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@Wylted
And Castin learned a new word that day.
Why hasn't this been discussed in the religion forum? Trickster gods are always interesting lore.
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@Mopac
What makes it the real and universally correct church?
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@keithprosser
You already know the answer to this, I think.But the forums are the only place where people, y'know... talk.The comments on a debate are de facto forum threads.
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@Wylted
That is Stockholm's, this cruel fucker has given you Stockholm's. Give us that asshole's address. We'll see how he likes being put through "abusive environments" and suffering.
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@RationalMadman
Well then. My new argument is I'll be going there so obviously it'll be completely awesome.
Just signed in. There actually seems to have been a bit more activity than usual earlier today.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I was about to ask you for an example of an "absolutely clear" definition of say personal attacks, but I realized personal attacks are not in your list of prohibited behavior. You want personal attacks to be fair game then? Presumably so they'd only be moderated if they continue after a user has blocked the attacker?
How can moderation's power be limited in a "real way"?
Agree with you about post deletion.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I'm still interested in an answer to my question. But fair enough. So what's an example improvement of the CoC that would minimize complaints and grey areas?
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@bsh1
Castin hard at workWhat justification was given for selecting Castin as a moderator? Did it go any further than "people like her?"She was, of course, widely respected. She was also engaged with site issues, was impartial and not overly deferential, and could likely muster a consensus of support for her modship.
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@RationalMadman
I was under the impression DART's CoC applies to discord, so the same prohibitions on personal attacks apply.
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@Wylted
RM, I was thinking the same thing. That is why I deep dived into these subjects and sought professioal help, despite my skepticism of psychology as a whole. I am paranoid, but when I look into the paranoia it really is more along the lines of hypervigilance and other ptsd type symptoms. I've had some auditory hallucinations and atleast 1 visual hallucination. These hallucinations are not as rare in the general population as you may think. I think something around 33% of people have had auditory hallucinations. I hear knocking at night sometimes and hear my name called occasionally. Not as uncommon as you might think. I've certainly had delusional thinking. I thought that a trickster God had attached himself to me and was helpibg me to become a stronger person. I would pray to this entity I called Loki. Telling him thank you for putting me in so many abusive environments or for causing me to suffer so terribly after certain events. I thought Loki was training me for something great by tearing me down so much. At times I have thought time travelers were trying to kill me. I have always thought I was special, thinking an alien dropped me off and that I actually had a loving family and that the one I was in was just something I had to put up with until my alien parents returned to take me to their loving home where somebody actually cared for me. With that being said I think it comes from some other type of schizotypal personality, seeing as how they are prone to living in fantasy worlds, especially in response to trauma. The disordered thinking symptom did get to me for a while, but it is not the same type of disordered thinking descfibed in schizophrenia usually. Their disordered thoughts have no logical connections my disordered thoughts do. I was reading some stuff written by psychologists differentiating between both types of disordered thoughts. I don't really isolate myself. I prefer veing alone but I still socialize and deal with the public. I think I am a mix of things unfortunately. OCD, PTSD with bipolar and some sort of anxiety disorder mixed with some sort of schizotypal personality. The Bipolar is probably genetic and the rest are likely just responses to the high stress enironments I was put in.
Loki sounds like he's being a dick to you. Tell that asshole to fuck off and stop making you suffer. Sadistic prick.
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@bsh1
Aha, I'm not the only one who declined it? I feel slightly less bad.LM was offered the position of an assistant moderator for forums.
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@Mopac
Christianity often devolves into an argument about who has authority. Church politics, I mean. You all worship the same God but fight over which men are his correct representatives on Earth.
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@3RU7AL
I'll run it by Mike. It'll be task #859,393 on his to-do list, heh.A member quickly expressed their preference for post deletion. Short of threats or doxxing, I am against post deletion, personally.Perhaps some indicator (other than deletion, perhaps even a note saying "post in violation") could be added to posts that are considered in violation?Without some explicit indicator or flag or label or note or strike-through, the bad behavior could easily appear to be accepted practice.
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@Raltar
- 1. All "debates" which take place in the forums are merely flamewars.
- 2. Only formal debates have distinguished value or legitimacy.
- 3. Moderation should not listen to people who are primarily active in the forums, with low formal debate activity.
^ These are your points I disagree with.
- 4. Moderation is inconsistent.
- 5. Moderators should have more tools in their toolbox.
^ Your points I can understand.
There is too much emphasis on the forums, too few people participate in formal debates, too many people participate exclusively in the forums, and the moderators are defending their moderating style based on what people say about them on the forums.So the reason I'm highlighting the excessive forum participation vs. the debate participation ratio of all your examples is to demonstrate that it is almost entirely forum users who think the moderators are too "heavy-handed" (as you say), but people like myself who mainly emphasize debate participation (or have a more balanced approach) are frustrated by inconsistent, ineffective and heavily delayed moderator actions on the debates/comments/votes.Essentially, to spell it out for you, I'm saying you have a flaw in your statistical analysis. You are claiming that a majority of users are voicing complaints about "heavy-handedness", when in reality your examples show that all such users making those complaints are forum-heavy with little or no debate-participation. You have excluded a large part of the user-base from your analysis to focus only on a vocal minority.
^ I think that's valid, Ral. Moderation does give much of its attention to forum drama, and I do think much of that drama comes from a vocal minority. Formal debates can get pushed behind in the site conversation (which is not to say that I think they're ignored entirely). But the forums are the only place where people, y'know... talk.
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@Raltar
I thought you wanted moderators to stop deferring to what members favor. Or at least, defer to it less.
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@3RU7AL
Post #36Wait why does "reports have been handled" mean "mod approved"? Poly was temp banned for two days following that post.Perhaps some indicator could be added to posts that are considered in violation?Without some explicit indicator or flag or label or note or strike-through, the bad behavior could easily appear to be accepted practice.
A member quickly expressed their preference for post deletion. Short of threats or doxxing, I am against post deletion, personally.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Does this mean you are in support of moderators deleting posts even if the poster intended no harm?Moderation of content (vis-a-vis its deletion) shouldn't care about intention.Moderation of users (vis-a-vis banning, restriction of rights) should.Pretty much this.
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@Raltar
Mike's country is no revelation. It's been common knowledge pretty much since the site started.
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@Vader
Would be nice to be notified when several of y'all are headed to discord to chat. When I visit it's usually tumbleweed city.
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@Ramshutu
Okay. How do you think the CoC could be clearer about the spirit of source voting or voting in general?
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@Ramshutu
So this thread is primarily intended to address formal debate mechanics? And not, for instance, forum behavior?Ok, that’s nice.What I’m talking about, though, is what is the intent behind the “sources” category in the debate voting, what is this trying to say so that voters have a clearer picture of how and why to cast votes instead of everyone having their own idea.but thanks for your input.
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You didn't hurt my feelings and I didn't report you, Poly. And no, I have no idea who did.
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