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@RationalMadman
I was just saying that I've definitely observed that phenomenon within myself, and in my case the correlation you proposed seemed to be quite true.
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@Mharman
Pfft. Caution is for the living.
Welcome to the site. Why the scales?Liberty and Justice.
So you troll sometimes but you like liberty and justice. I can dig it.
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@RationalMadman
I did change back to this impersonal pic because I thought the anthropomorphic one was making me rather saucy.The less personal/unique/living-being your image is, the less likely you are to ever get banned. I noticed this with not just Zeichen and how recently she came the closest to going too far with a provocative playboy model as her avatar and then switching back to that Dali palace or whatever it is and becoming 'solid' in behaviour again but CONSISTENTLY I have noticed that members, including Castin, had a personality shift towards and after switching from and back to an impersonal image and an image of a living being. They become much more... Colourful and this entails risk of being banned. This is not a 100% solid correlation but it's definitely a significant indicator. Which Tyrone got banned? The one with the image, it's uncanny how consistent this relationship is even though it's definitely not been a 100% one.
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Best Debate(debate that made an impact)
The environmentalism vs resource extraction debate. Very interesting read. Wish I'd discovered it in time to vote.
"The user YeshuaBought should die" was probably the most explosive debate, but it was deleted so I assume it doesn't qualify.
Site MVP(the person who made the most impact(minus mod)
RationalMadman, the mad genius. Love him, hate him, be entertained.
Member of Honor(honorary DART member of choice)
bsh1, for doing a thankless job, taking a lot of shit, and being able to bend.
THE FIRST PERSON TO MAKE A NAUGHTY JOKE OUT OF THAT WILL SUFFER A GYPSY'S CURSE. *glares around challengingly*
Top Forum Post(forum that made an impact)
I'm struggling to think of a single post that was majorly impactful. This post certainly stirred shit up.
Best Mafia Game(mafia game that had an eventual spillover into forums & debates)
I see a lot of people are ignoring this category and I wish I knew more about it, but I don't.
Most Liked Member(member who is liked the most)
Logical-Master. And I've been seeing popular support for Virtuoso.
Trending Topic(something that caused a firestorm)
The anti-mod shitstorms, Tyrone debacle, and Yeshua threads are all strong candidates.
If I had to choose, I'd have to go with the anti-mod shitstorms.
Funniest Members(who just made you lmfao or rofl)
Jboy3r, the mastermind who brought us "Ducks are the most dangerous animal" and "The word sock should be two words".
Funniest Moment(that one time where it was OMG Relatable! or ROFLing)
I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one who had the desire to nominate the video that dare not speak its name.
But I'm gonna have to go with this entire page.
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@blamonkey
@Vader
Castin gets confirmed as a nominee for Most Liked
No, no. Do not encourage my behavior, people. I repeat, do not.
This is all a conspiracy masterminded by the Furries, anyway. They walk among us.
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@Mharman
Mike has a lot on his plate. Signatures are a popular desire but we may have to be patient.
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@Mharman
I just found my new motto, boys and girls.I may or may not post my thoughts on this.
I may have it engraved on my tombstone.
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@keithprosser
Lololol
... You win this round, asshole. *eyes narrow*
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@keithprosser
"...blah bleh bleh ahurpa durpa"I'm suing.
"I'm suing blah bleh bleh ahurpa durpa."
All I have to do is blind the judge, and then how will he even tell us apart, keith? HOW?
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@Stephen
Well with my disposition, I can hardly be called any less of a fence sitter than keith.
I'm not aware of any passage in the Bible which spells out that God meant "legitimate heir" when he said "only son". I only guessed it from context. It seems the word "only" is a translation of the Hebrew word "yachiyd", which like many Hebrew words in the Bible has a plurality of usages, including sole, beloved, only child, proper, lonely, and united.
I am asking, how was it that Abraham couldn’t work out that a great nation would not spring from him as god had promised if he had murdered his only son.
Well as I see it, the possible explanations are:
- Abraham did not notice any conflict between God's command and God's prior promise.
- Abraham was aware of the conflict and perhaps questioned it, but said nothing.
- Abraham believed God would still fulfill the promise, just without Isaac.
- Abraham somehow knew Isaac's death was never a possibility and that God would intervene.
- Abraham believed God had the power to even bring Isaac back to life once the test was over.
- A combination of two or more of these.
Concerning #4: The Jewish views on the subject are interesting.
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@Stephen
What's this? You prefer people who actually believe in this book to answer your critical questions about it? Well I never. Are you saying you don't want atheists like me and keith lumbering in your way going "blah bleh bleh atheist guesses blah bleh bleh purely anthropological interest blah bleh bleh ahurpa durpa"?
(Sometimes my keith impression is so good it scares even me. "purely anthropological interest blah bleh bleh ahurpa durpa" -- my god, I've got chills.)
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@ethang5
The idea that how you treat the least matters the most is one I find pretty resonant.You and millions of others. That is part of the reason 2,000 years later, we are still talking about it and atheist's still fume. It resonates with people who still have a conscience, a soul.
Doesn't explain why it resonates with me. Ba-dum-tshhh!
Really, it doesn't make me fume. But I try not to think of the Bible as "the enemy's book", so I don't resent acknowledging points of merit. I find it more beneficial to consider the Bible a piece of my imperfect human heritage. In the context of the last few thousand years, a very large piece.
If I deny all points of merit within it, then I'm forced to accept that my fellow humans are incomprehensibly following a 100% worthless, stupid book containing nothing that could resonate with anyone. That mentality would likely turn me into a hateful and contemptuous asshole, which, after flipping a coin (heads: be an asshole, tails: avoid being an asshole), I've decided to try to avoid (it was tails -- frustratingly).
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@Stephen
This whole thing was a test of Abraham's unquestioning obedience of God. So why are you asking why Abraham obeyed God without question? This is the same man who didn't bat an eyelash when God told him to shave part of his penis off, Stephen. Shave it off. He didn't speak up to question the relationship between piety and genital mutilation, but you expect him to speak up to say "but this thing you're saying now contradicts that other thing you said before"?
God could give Abraham many sons after Isaac, so I don't think there's a whole lot of conflict between "kill your son" and "I will give you a great nation".You couldn't be more wrong. and you have ignored the fact that god refers to Issac as Abraham's ONLY SON.
I did indeed fail to address it. Forgot it more than ignored it, really. I'm not as interested in picking over the minutia of biblical inconsistencies as you are, so these things tend to slip by me.
It does look like something of a contradiction. I suppose my only guess would be that God was referring to Abraham's only legitimate son. Hadn't Ishmael been cast out at this point after Sarah had a Catelyn Stark bitch fit? God had made it clear that it was Isaac and only Isaac he recognized as special, chosen, prophesied. He was like, "Look I'll cosign on Ishmael's first car and put him through college and everything, but seriously Isaac is the true line, mkay. I already mailed the fertility pills to Sarah not Hagar and I'm not gonna fuck around with USPS shipping to redirect the package, that's a nightmare."
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@Outplayz
But on the subject of massacres inspiring massacres, do you think the shooter was aware that survivors of the Las Vegas shooting frequented that bar?It's really hard to tell. I wouldn't put it passed him to have known, but i don't know. Overall i'm pretty confident most these shooters either fantasize past shooters or watch them for encouragement / learning. This guy seems more of the just insane type that would have snapped and done it either way. plus, since he was a marine and probably a pretty good shot... i don't think he really needed to go learn what to do. I think this guy just snapped and went on a rampage. In the end of the day... who knows why crazy acts crazy.
It's never enough for me to just shrug and say "who knows? he crazy". If I don't come to an understanding of the mind that did it, it remains a disturbing unknown that defies reason. The fact that horror movies always portray monsters as disturbing unknowns that defy reason speaks to how much that concept naturally scares humans. It still bothers me that the Las Vegas shooter's motive remains a mystery.
More importantly, if no understanding is reached, we can't attack the roots of the problem.
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@Outplayz
It's hard enough getting one company to place human lives before money. To get every press company to do it seems depressingly impossible, short of federal regulation.
But on the subject of massacres inspiring massacres, do you think the shooter was aware that survivors of the Las Vegas shooting frequented that bar?
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Must... not... nominate... offensive deleted video... for Funniest Moment... HRRRNNNNGG
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@Outplayz
I remember reading that Adam Lanza was obsessed with mass shootings, particularly Columbine. They found several videos on his computer of suicide by gunshot, as well.
It's frustrating. You can't stop private media from covering the top stories. And now that everyone has a camera in their pocket, these incidents will only get more publicity.
Imagine having such a negative relationship with the world and with life that you're willing to murder a dozen people you don't know. And then yourself. It's a disturbing headspace.
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Why do high profile mass shootings seem to be becoming more frequent.
I hate that I'm used to it.
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@Ramshutu
Both sides are uninterested in news of their own extremists and eagerly consume news of the other side's extremists. But in any community or setting with a conservative majority, I'd say you're absolutely right.
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@Ramshutu
So there would be like a text window where the reporter would explain the reason for the report?
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I can't believe you people aren't satisfied with such high brow debate material as "ducks are most dangerous animal, they mind control people to give them bread".
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@Aporia
Agreed. I think one of the main problems with the prequels was that they coukdnt distinguish between presenting us with a flawed character and just giving us an unpleasant, whiney shit. Anakin should have been flawed but good underneath. Instead they just made him a dumb brat which took away some of the emotional payoff when he finally turns in ep 3.
Oh my god yes.
It seems like a mistake any good writer would have spotted. It's a mystery to me how that script got past final edit like that.
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Monty Python is kind of before my time. My grandpa loved it though. He even bought Monty Python and The Holy Grail the computer game.
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@Stephen
God could give Abraham many sons after Isaac, so I don't think there's a whole lot of conflict between "kill your son" and "I will give you a great nation". Abraham worshiped a God he believed to be almighty, so it seems natural to me that he didn't think the loss of one child would confound God's power to make his will manifest.
Obviously it's one of the more horrifying stories of the Bible, taken at face value. This was a period in tribal history where child sacrifices were not unheard of. Shudder.
Btw, did you hear about that archaeological site they found in Peru containing the bones of more than 140 sacrificed children? Largest mass child sacrifice in history, apparently. Humans suck.
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@EtrnlVw
"Love thine enemy."
I'd have to start with this one. It's one of Christ's teachings I respect the most. It's so incredibly unpopular an idea, cutting right against the grain of human instinct, yet so sorely needed in a hateful and tribalistic world where it's so easy to get lost in an Us vs Them mentality.
I also really like the sentiment in this one:
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. ... Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."
It's easy for people to neglect and devalue the homeless person, the refugee, the elderly family member in the rest home, the relative in prison. The idea that how you treat the least matters the most is one I find pretty resonant.
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@drafterman
You get elected executive officer. Describe to me how you rule during your term.We should take turns to act as sort of executive officer for the week but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs or by a two thirds majority in the case of more important issues.
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@Vader
I did. Lol. I really hope you keep doing them every time there's a site controversy.
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@Mopac
That's an idea. It might help the "what if it kills normal forum activity?" problem. Which is the biggest problem here, imo.
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@Tyrone
They're entertaining as hell, but they can really get out of control.What do you mean by "out of control"? Why does it matter if that happens?
A limitless flamewar can give destructive hate limitless stage time. So I'll interpret this as asking "what does it matter if you give destructive hate limitless stage time"?
- It spills over into the rest of the forum, like, always. Anytime the two people involved in the flamewar cross paths in any setting, explosion.
- In extreme cases, it can inflame global controversies which divide the forum into warring cliques that toxify the atmosphere of the site. More stable personalities start saying "ugh, these clique wars have ruined the site" and leaving.
- When people get pushed to extremes of rage by an endless escalation of hostility, they are way more likely to break rules, start fires, and reject reason in general. Letting a flamewar get out of control is like passing out PCP to your users.
- Finally people will start getting banned that I really don't want to see banned -- you know the type. Fun as hell to be around, but a knack for getting into trouble, and when they get in a scrap they hold friggin' nothing back. So naturally one of the first to be booted as an agitator. If they fuck up bad enough or persistently enough they wind up permabanned, and now great, the site just got a bit less fun.
Now we all know flamewars are guilty pleasures and they attract attention the same way a car crash does, but you really need to ask what price you're willing to pay for that pleasure and whether it's gonna leave you with more to gain than lose in the long run. Every flamewar, if left unattended, reaches a peak of enjoyment and then bottoms out, and after that point it just ain't fun anymore. But make no mistake -- it will still continue on, both sides locked in a never ending addictive hate loop.
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@Vader
Ikr. Vaarka and Supa have pooped on my windshield twice. And they keep pulling out strands of my hair to build their nests with.Where's the rule about getting rid of the disgusting feathered vermin that have infested our fair site?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The human race.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Burden of proof.What's bop? Is nonsense all you can say? You don't have an argument because it's not possible , I get that , but repeating yourself like a toddler is a waste of time.
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That's too loose for my taste. Both sides sharing equal guilt in a flamewar doesn't mean it's unnecessary for a mod to step in. I've never seen a one-sided flamewar, so that would in effect mean no flamewars are moderated. They're entertaining as hell, but they can really get out of control.
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@drafterman
That's a good point. You'd have a short list of suspects who may have made the report. Common knowledge of the personalities on that list could let you narrow it down even further.
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@bsh1
Pardon me -- yes, I agree. Though I'm still holding out for draft's argument against #5.
Concerning #11 -- I'm all for it, but intentions are tricky to police. What are your thoughts on that?
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@Wylted
Holy fuck. Shit just got real in this thread.
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@Nd24007
Omg does Nd = Nostradamus? And here I was thinking it was neodymium from the periodic table or something.
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@Tyrone
Yeah I wish there were separate categories for strictness and favor of bish. I'd qualify as less strict, pro bish.
But when I told him so yesterday and offered some ideas for change, he approved them pretty much immediately. It's why I don't get the "bish never listens to feedback" complaint. When I made my suggestions I stuck to policy arguments without character attacks. That would be my advice.No offense, but they weren't exactly groundbreaking changes. My experience in dealing with him thus far tells me that he's completely unwilling to substantially loosen up his moderation style. That being said, I've started talking to him privately, and he's given me some reason to hope that I'm mistaken. So I suppose we'll see where that goes.
Dunno why it would be an offense to me, it's just a fair observation. I thought it'd be best to start small and actionable and get a dialogue going. Though all of my points were addressing things that were heatedly criticized in the past. I was expecting larger suggestions to follow mine, but they never came, probably because we're suffering from a thread decentralization problem that hopefully will be rectified soon.
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@Tyrone
So, I was obviously wrong. There isn't enough public support for replacing Bsh1 as moderator. However, this thread has clearly revealed public support for making moderation policy less strict overall. Perhaps I should have made the poll about that instead of making it about Bsh1.LESS STRICT
- Tyrone
- Wylted
- Drafterman
- Imabench
- TheHammer
- 1Harderthanyouthink
- Thett3
- ResurgetExFavilla
- Smithereens
- Buddamoose
SAME / MORE STRICT
- RationalMadman
- YeshuaBought
- Argent Tongue
- Mopac
- Swagnarok
- Castin
- Ramshutu
- Vaarka
Eh I don't really identify with the strict list, even though I'm in favor of bish. I actually thought he could stand to relax some restrictions and be more transparent. But when I told him so yesterday and offered some ideas for change, he approved them pretty much immediately. It's why I don't get the "bish never listens to feedback" complaint. When I made my suggestions I stuck to policy arguments without character attacks. That would be my advice.
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@keithprosser
Obviously limits would need to be placed on private threads. As to what kind, I don't know. Bears thinking on.
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@DebateArt.com
It was just an amusing vision. Don't let worst case scenarios bog you down. It's a really good idea. I really think you should stick to it. The problems can be discussed and worked out. It deserves a trial period at least.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
This is a really good idea. I think it also might be a good idea to let all people see the thread title and maybe a short description by the moderator, but not the content, so that they know that a discussion exists and can ask to join it if they're interested. It would give people a chance to escape from the stifling moderation atmosphere that's currently settled over the site, and allow each user to self-sort into their own level of comfort. It will also let normal members get some moderation experience, and allow some criticism of moderation. For example, I recently wanted to discuss a controversial deleted thread, and linked an archived page of that thread so that another member could see what was actually deleted, and that post was itself deleted. It's kind of Orwellian that we can't even talk about content that was deleted without our posts being censored, and I can definitely see a private thread being devoted to documenting oversteps and trying to hold moderation accountable.
Idk. If the topic creator wanted me in there, wouldn't they have invited me?
It would be funny to see how personal it got though. Like imagine you're browsing threads and you see:
Topic title: ResurgetExFavilla is an asshole
Description: Anyone who is interested in bashing REF welcome, PM me for admittance. We will be discussing the various ways he is an asshole and the many levels he is an asshole on. No ResurgetExFavillas allowed.
Or like:
Topic title: Castin is a vapid clown bitch
Description: If you cannot understand why anyone likes the vapid clown bitch and think she's a grating attention seeking buffoon with no apparent redeeming characteristics, this thread is for you. Castin is allowed in, but in a read-only capacity. She needs to hear the truth, but we don't want to listen to her talk.
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@bsh1
All sounds good to me. It may not be as transparent as a public ban log but it seems like an acceptable compromise.
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