Cogent_Cognizer

Ok, I get everything you're saying man. I just don't get why this means we need to VTL on DP1. We had this argument before, you've never explained why this means VTL'ing dp1.

Yes, we can tell based on behavior who is who, but we don't have any information other than to go on. Behavior, alone, can't tell someone who is who. There's probably many times where you thought, due to behavior, someone was scum or town based on their behavior and probably have been wrong a lot. We need combination of behavior + some facts we get from a NP. 

If you keep arguing these points, you're not going to convince me to VTL on DP1. It just doesn't make sense whatsoever. People's behavior in DP1 is too sporadic, and we have nothing to compare their behavior to(i.e a fact such as so-and-so being killed by scum in np1).


Doesn't anyone else get what I'm saying? Behavior is important, but we can't solely go on behavior for a VTL. DP1 has no hard facts in it whatsoever, and I do not think it's a good idea to VTL merely on behavior alone.

I just don't get why you repeat yourself when I already agree behavior is important, but I don't believe it's enough on its own.

I agree. Given scum is a minority, VTLing this early always has higher odds of VTL'ing a town member.

You say this, and yet was wrong about Pressf.

Why would you claim to be a Mason? Lol

Yeah, I don't aspire to be a lawyer. But some of my theories had correct conclusions from last game. Also, there is definitely strategy to me presenting a theory that I think is false. Just remember there're a lot of different strategies in this game. Certainly I have atypical ones though.

But that explanation doesn't make sense.

You claimed it would be a scum read for anyone else, implying an experienced player saying this would be scum, right? But an experienced player would never say this considering the claim of being a new player is in what BMD said.  When would an exp player every claim to be new to the game? Yet you're claiming this confused you because if it was someone else who said it, it would be a scum tell. Fact is, no one else but new players would say this. You shouldn't even have been confused.


But anyways, you can respond to what I said, but I won't pursue it anymore either.

Except that doesn't really make sense. I mean, who else would say that unless they are new? An experienced player wouldn't bring up the idea of being new or having "newness" considering  by definition of an experienced player, they aren't new.

Forgot to tag you in my above comment

Speaking of DP1 of celebrity mafia,

F for PressF

Well, you're questioning a new player as had happened in DP1 of Celebrity mafia, which the town turned out to be wrong. I really don't think it's a good idea to start casting doubt on new players this early. They're trying to figure out how to play, so slips are bound to happen which may not actually be a slip for the side they are really on.

What you said made it seem like you casted doubt on them. I just don't see any purpose to say this otherwise.

Also, since it seems no one else is really helping you to figure out what to do in this game, would you like some tips? I do recommend reading through the source material but I can try to give you some tips. I'm a very experienced mafia player, but this is only my third game of a forum mafia(so I'm new to the latter, but a lot of the strategies are similar, and I can try to note the things that are different due to it being forum)

The above being said by Speed in comment 36 and then retracted in posts 40 and 42 is weird. What was the point of this>?

Just wanted to remind everyone how bad it is to have players who don't even try be the last remaining townspeople in MYLO in case I get NK'd np1.

Finally, my hard claim is this:

Green pepper, vanilla town

That said, I may be open to making an exception to my rule of VTNL'ing DP1 if we VTL Club or another notoriously inactive person who never does analysis.

Now, I'm going to make this suggestion to my fellow townspeople:

Given what happened in Celebrity Mafia, I think we really do not want to have the remaining townspeople be the inactives/people who put little effort in the game. So Club comes to mind. Pretty much everyone who was left standing in Celebrity mafia we should VTL DP2 regardless of what reads we get. First, it gives us info, and second, we don't want them to be the guys to figure out who the last scum is since they freaking don't even try. 

In regards to questionign Wylted's claim about pineapple, I find that Wylted has a very weird strategy. It's been the case every time I've played with them and each game I've looked at from the past. I really can't say to have a read on Wylted yet. Usually he doesn't become more obvious until a later day phase. Like, I figured out he was Blue, I wanna say DP2 of OSBM, and he was town the day before he was killed by mafia. Wylted is impossible to read on DP1, I suggest ignoring it for the time being lol. 

But yeah, sorry for being late, I actually had to go to an urgent care and handle some more medical problems. Within an hour or 2 I'll have my reads up so far of everyone, and I'll also make a hard claim. 

I'll reiterate again that I hate to VTL on dp1, remember what happened in celebrity Mafia guys. 

Information is key for town. I would argue it's more important than a VTL, particularly at this stage in the game.

I will give reads soon anyways, but regardless of my reads, I am going to...


VTNL

For town to win, we can't have people that just laze around.

Yeah, if I wasn't killed I was going to make my case for speed being scum(I technically did already in DP 3 I think, and I was going to remind everyone of it, but it seems I think town just wanted it over with and didn't want to analyze)... but I was NK'd, so I couldn't make my case and speed was scum , which I imagine speed knew I would do that, so I was the logical NK choice given no one else was putting effort into the game it seemed like.

Just did lol.

My final word will be this though:

I'm guessing Warren and club didn't suspect me to track Speed, considering they chose Speed as the one they would claim to have visited and killed Mhar. That's where they seemed to have messed up. 

True.

Fine, I'm bringing down the hammer.

VTL Warren

I'm pretty positive, though, that I or Speed are the next nik. If they kill anyone else, they will pretty much confirm the other person as town and POE the other scum.

So, is everyone confidet it is Warren? I feel like I am, but I also felt confident about Supa. Then again, I never really caught Supa in such a big lie as to VTL someone they claim visited the person who died. 

Ah, yeah, I see that now. Sorry, It's hard to keep track with so many changes in votes. 

Looks like I, at least, caught Warren in a lie.

I think the vote count is as follows, right?

VTL speed - Warren
VTL Warren - speed
VTNL - Club, grey

Also, yes, Speed did only visit me, or at least that's all that BSH1 revealed to me. I'm pretty sure since I was tracking him, if he visited more than one person, then those other people would have appeared, correct?

Sorry for recent inactivity. I'm moving and today we were gettng everything physically moved from my current place to my new place to live. 

Mafia* autocorrect, sorry 

Mafia* autocorrect, sorry 

I felt I needed to confirm Speed. Plus I didn't want to track Warren given Maria may have expected that. 

I tracked speed, who funnily was watching me.

I felt I needed to confirm Speed. Plus I didn't want to track Warren given Maria may have expected that. 

I tracked speed, who funnily was watching me.

Def logging off now, or so I tell myself.

My bad, must have misread/misunderstood your guys' roles. Yeah, watch me Speed, I'll track warren. Either way, I'll either get to see if Warren visits someone, and you'll get to see if he visits me. So, he's trapped if he NK's me or anyone else, and if we find out Mafia doesn't NK, well, that's a tell it was Warren as well, lol. Either way, like I said, we have it in the bag.

With that, I will go to sleep and log off. My vote will not change, unless one of you(not Supa or Warren, I won't believe either of you) decides to challenge Speed or Mhar's claim for whatever reason. 

Forgot to make you a receiver of the above comment of mine. Make sure to read it.

So yeah, Mharman, I suggest you and I both select Warren for our Night actions, that way if either of us is killed, the other can confirm warren is mafia.

Speed, as the watcher pick me or Mharman, as a back-up to confirm Warren.

I think all Visitors would want to visit me, right? So do that.

We pretty much have it in the bag now then.

It turned out my disturbing your sleep(sorry) was helpful for confirming both of us as town at least and doing poe

That's who I vtl'd in the comment above yours lol

Well, so long as Disc and club corroborate Speed's story,

Then it is very obvious who is scum:

Supa and Warren, both by POE, and Warren has been particularly argumentative with Mhar, who my night action and his confirm both of us(me and Mhar) as town.

Since Supa has 2 votes on him if I am looking at this correctly, I'll join in that:

VTL Supa

Marciano*

Also, for everyone interested in Speed's claim, Oro also claimed Mariano in dp1c297

He's just far too inactive. Yeah, he soft-claimed visitor, but there's not much for me to go on for determining if he's telling the truth or lying, at least not until now with this new info you gave me.

Also adding you to my list of people who are likely to move in that latest analysis of mine.