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@Greyparrot

@warren42

@Discipulus_Didicit

@Speedrace

Somehow I missed Mharman's claim about his action being disrupted(Should carefully read things more). And yeah, @disc, you're right, I really need to pay more attenion to behavior XD This is something that I should have noticed if I wasn't so concerned over what roles are in play and more concerned with player behavior.

Yep, Mharman is def not Mafia then. My adjusted (hopefully) final reads are as follows then:

Confirmed town:
Me (Reasons: I town-read someone that mafia pretended to scum-read, pressf, my full-claim matching with the scenario so far, and the reason I give below for Mharman being town should confirm me as town to everyone)
Mharman(Reasons: Their full-claim, plus my full-claim, and them being disrupted during the night when I visited him all-but-confirms him to be town. Don't think he would have known in advance I'd track him, so can't imagine him being mafia at all, even though I accused earlier, which I'm extremely apologetic and regret; honestly due to that I hadn't read that post of yours with that full claim or it didn't process, and I was way over-thinking things)
Wylted(obvious reason)
Speed1(obvious reason)
Press(obvious reason)
Likely town:
Disc (only if their full claim is true, so this is temporary. We'll see what others claim and compare behavior. Otherwise, what I've said before for my theories for Disc would apply)

Town lean:

Greyparrot(still not active enough to tell imo, they were not quick to scumread Wylted though, so I consider this a town-lean move)

Null:
Club - Too much inactivity

Lean Mafia:
Disc (where he will be depending on how the full claims turn out)

Likely Mafia:
Supa (all reasons said so far, mostly by disc and I)

Speed2/Oro (Reasons: I still think Wylted's theory is true, and the fact Oro did try to scumread Wylted should place Speed in likely scum pile, and all else I said in comment 30, plus, now he needs something confirmed with BSH1, which I'm not sure why that should matter if he is town)

Confirmed Mafia:
Pie

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Just to remind everyone:

I'm Pita Taufatofua, Tracker.

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Yeah, a lot of what you're saying makes sense. I definitely tend to overthink things too much. I should just stick to analyzing player behavior and not try to make it fit a potential role like I've been doing.

But yeah, I'm going to keep a no vote until we get more full claims. I suggest doing the same, or perhaps we VTNL for the time being. We don't want the day to end before we get everyone to claim.

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@Speedrace

What's your time zone?

Pacific

I tend to be a night owl loll. If you've noticed I make most of my posts between like 6 pm and 6 am pacific time.

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@ILikePie5

I just got a great idea. I'm thinking I'm going to make mine dual-themed, I started out thinking it could be a good idea to make the Mafia and town in my psychology-themed game Bullies and people at risk of suicide, respectively, and NK = bullied to point of that person committing suicide. Given I'm a fan of 13 reasons why and it seems @ILikePie5 seems to be too(perhaps others are too), what does everyone think of a psychology/13 reasons why themed mafia?

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@bsh1

Since you're both the site's lead mod and the mod of the ongoing mafia game, I have a question for you. Would you find it acceptable for me not to share with anyone(including you) what roles I'll have in my planned game? I know this is a good idea in order for a new mod to get a good idea for balance, but first I want to say, since I want to maximize the amount of players, I don't want to reveal to anyone those roles unless they're meant to have them revealed to them. Second, I own the card game "Ultimate Werewolf" irl(it's mafia but with a werewolf/vampire theme basically), and it has every card with a + or - number to indicate that role's respective weight. It also has a guide on how to construct fair games, Though, I'll probably talk to you about major things that a forum mafia would impact weight-wise that an in-person mafia wouldn't have.

Anyways, in that game, scum-roles are - and town roles +. The idea is to get the total weight to 0, which I'll likely do for my game, and simply change the names of the roles in my ultimate werewolf card game to reflect the topic of Psychology I selected as the theme for my game I wish to mod.

Do you find this acceptable or since I'm new to forum mafia, you think I better reveal things to an experienced forum mafia mod and they stick the game out?

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F**k I have to admit, the possibility of an actor role would totally blow away most of my theory so far.

Unvote

Wish I heard from other people. Seems everyone is quiet right now except Disc.

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Also, what you said:

...are town, probably Grey and Speed as well.

Why a town-read for Speed2(Oro)?

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@Discipulus_Didicit

If you're being truthful about being Theo James, it seems you also are a real-life actor, and thus justification to have the actor/actress role.

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If we assume the worst and Pie was somehow town and used the actress power and got the affiliation and role of a mafia member, this means we likely still have 3 scum alive.

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Are we to believe BSH1, in a Celebrity Mafia wouldn't have the actor/actress role In it?

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For that matter, Wylted was James Dean(yet another actor).

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Might be me overthinking again, but why wasn't Pie's role "Actress" but ninja instead? Given the person they were, they were a real-life actress. Seems to be the most obvious role to give her. Given what the role Actress says though,

"you will appear, upon...death, to have that role and affiliation."

So, a possibility that happened was that pie could have taken on the role and affiliation(mafia v town), of a Mafia member. But this wouldn't change the description that BSH1 would give him of being that real-life actress.

Anyone else consider this possibillity? Shoot, I wonder if we did just lynch yet another town member.

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But yeah, I hadn't linked to his comment about scum being the exp players, but it's DP2-C102

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I am not loving this focus on how experienced players are. It carries with it the implied assumption that newer players play more poorly just because they are newer, which is not an assumption that has much in the way of historical supporting evidence.

Well, it stems to Wylted's theory in DP2 about the likely mafia being the ones who were experienced that scum-claimed him for those scum-slips. I'm not making this theory myself, but I think I trust Wylted's later theories in DP2, given I don't think he would want to be wrong a second time since he was for Dp1 lynch,

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@Mharman

Sorry for the likely scum accusation. For some reason I thought Supa was new.

There are no other new players besides me and Press right?

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That being the case, I think I will replace Mhar with Supa as being likely scum:

So my adjusted one is:

Scum:
Definetely:
Speed2(oro)

Likely:
Supa

Everyone else likely town.

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NVM, not sure why I thought Supa was new(looked at members in previous games, Supa has been in quite a few), so I suppose I can't determine right now he is scum or town.

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To cast reason to doubt that Supa is scum as others have claimed:

We already made the mistake of assuming a new player giving off scum reads was scum(PressF), furthermore, Wylted, me, PressF, all pretty much confirmed town, all could have decided to give obvious scumreads in order for scum to jump on lynching them so we can figure out who is scum. And, ofc, Supa doesn't fit with Wylted's theory of xp players.

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So, here are my reads given the above info:

Definitely Scum:
Speed2(oro)

Likely Scum:
Mharman - tried to make us believe new players were behind the NK, also fits with Wylted's theory of scum being xp players.

Assuming three scum players, everyone else is by POE, likely town.

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Perhaps what is also telling above, is that Pie never once suggested VTL'ing Oro/Speed2, and even defended them. I think this coupled with Wylted's theory that it was more experienced players who tried to scumread him(and later being killed by Mafia, perhaps as a way to silence him to make sure he doesn't provide further reason to suspect exp players, which killing Wylted is also a new-player mistake, further making us suspect new players, which xp players would want us to do)

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Ok, so here's a compilation of votes and vote-related info from Pie, this could be telling given that he was confirmed scum. Let's see if we can deduce anything from it:

DP1:
-VTL'd Speed comment 7
-huge break in his participation, claims the break was there for watching 13 reasons why
-Unvoted after Club admitted to a harmless night action, comment 419
-VTL'd press in comment 431 after providing his scum reads, and kept it until final vote

DP2:
-Questioned Wylted for VTL'ing ORO, and trying desperately to get us to scumread Wylted after that, comments 28-29 (we should also remind ourselves Mafia chose to kill Wylted after this altercation too, perhaps they believed Wylted was onto something we missed? Further reason this was not a well thought-out NK) Side note: Wylted claimed scum was in the pool of experienced players who made us believe he scum-slipped.(comment 102) Again, the fact he was killed could be said he was onto something, furthermore Mharman claimed is trying to make us think mafia are new players. This is interesting given Wylted was saying otherwise, which since he is confirmed town, I don't think he would be deceiving. Furthermore, ORO is seen as making us believe Wylted scum-slipped in post 450 of dp1 . Speed accused Wylted, Oro, and Press, particularly suspecting Oro given he did VTL grey, and he thought he was hoping we'd pile on GP, in comment DP1-455 . Given Wylted, Press, and Speed1 were all town, Oro is the one left without verfication of his identity. I don't think Speed1 would have been foolish enough to get all 3 of his accusations wrong. Given how hard speed is now

-VTL'd Wylted comment 30

-He falls for(comment 38) my fake agreement with him(comment 34) Not providing links since they're on the same page of the previous ones lol

-Biggest clue of all on dp2, comment 253, his defense. He said, in defense of why he VTL'd wylted quickly:

It clearly seemed that your joke did not result in anyone voting for you at least this DP. You know me, you know I’m not stupid and wouldn’t fall for that. What I did was make a fake push to see how people would react. Town would be quick to reject, but mafia obviously would jump on it easily.

Given he was mafia, this was a way for him to clear the other Mafia members of suspicion, if they didnt' vote for wylted, naturally we would think they are not mafia. Unfortunately, no one else but me and Pie jumped to vtl Wylted.

Comment DP2-119 has the vote count:

Disc (3/6) - Club, Speed, Grey
Wylted (1/6) - Pie
Pie (1/6) - Wylted

The final count on comment DP2-278

Wylted (1/6) - Pie
Pie (6/6) - Wylted, Cogent, Disc, Club, Speed, Grey

I would surmise that the other mafia members may have determined it was worthless to try to lynch someone else, and wanted a cover by vtl'ing a fellow mafia member. The only person other things clearly points to is Speed2. Given the fact Wylted suspected the more exp players who jumped on his scumlips to be the real scums, Oro was someone who did this, which speed took over for Oro.

I feel pretty confident in VTL Speed2(oro)

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Furthermore, since Pie couldn't be tracked or watched on even number nights, I imagine bsh1 wouldn't put two mafia members like that, rather the other one likely can't be tracked on odd number nights.

Thus my tracking Mharmanis on an even number night, indicates to me he def isn't mafia.

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Reason being is that town doesn't have anything to fear right now about doing that. At this point, it only serves the Mafia to mislead about who they are.

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I ask for everyone to do a full role/character claim right now.

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I don't want to VTL supa yet though, let's let this dp play out a little more before securing a lynch. I'd like to have complete confidence on who are the other mafia.

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So, yeah, I agree with Supa, but not sure if Speed or Warren is the other mafia.

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Furthermore, Warren is leaving it pretty broad about what he is. He character claimed, but didn't role claim. Given we pretty much know most people's roles at this point, it would have been better if he role-claimed. He's being too general.

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@warren42

@Mharman

Mharman you said:

This points to a less experienced mafia, which points to Supa or Speed #2.

I agree, this was a bad move on their part. They should have totally targeted me, I totally expected to be dead.

Given Warren Said:

Probably supa and... not sure. mharman maybe? I'll look through Pie's interactions tomorrow.

Also I feel like based on claims the theme might be men vs women and we should all character claim. I'm Ted Danson.

I feel that most likely he his trying to get us to think it's you, Mharman, are mafia. I tracked you during the night and Mhar did absolutely nothing during the night. I chose Mhar since I began to suspect new members are mafia, and they would likely choose Mhar if he was mafia to do something, given they should be aware the suspicions on themselves. The fact they didn't choose Mhar, indicates to me Mhar is not mafia, otherwise they would have. So, I agree with your analysis that it's supa at the very least. Not entirely certain I agree that it's speed, but I definitely suspect speed(who's no oro's role)

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First thoughts(will comment more after I do more analysis)

I'm surprised mafia didn't target me. By them targeting Wylted and Wylted coming out town, there basically is no doubt that I've been honest with my role. I feel like this was a bad move on their part.

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@Speedrace

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope so.

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I plan on being involved in most or even all of the upcoming ones, by then I'll probably have a hang of forum mafia, and I can ask someone else some advice on being a mod, of course.

So, if anyone is allowed to post this list without any advanced warning, I wish to add myself after DD:

Ongoing

Bsh1 - Celebrity Mafia

Sign-ups

Mharman

- Pizza Mafia

In the Hopper

Wylted

SupaDudz (Big Mouth Mafia, Rappers Mafia, Chicago Landmarks Mafia)

Speedrace (Marvel Cinematic Universe Heroes)

DD - OSBM mafia part two (9 to 10 players)

CC - (Theme: Psychology)

On Hold

Budda, Virt, Breaking, lunatic

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Hmm, my word choice of "liberal as it pertains to pizza" has suddenly made me want to make a meme with what toppings are considered conservative, liberal, socialist, fascist, etc lmao It will be the "Pizza Political Compass"

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@PressF4Respect

I could really go for some lobster + jumbo shrimp + caviar topped pizza right now.

Dear god, such a bastardization of Pizza. Even I think this is going too far and I'm generally quite liberal as it pertains to pizza.

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@Greyparrot

I mean, we all are in a game except for bmdrocks and waterphoenix

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I do know Italians will be offended if you ask for it on pizza in Italy though. That's definitely something you don't want to do at a pizzeria in Italy. They definitely won't have that. It doesn't bother me even though I'm Italian(probably because I'm also like, 3rd generation American).

Anyways, this is probably distracting from the sign ups XD

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But yeah, feel free to seach for the pineapple on pizza controversy on a search engine. It really is a big deal, and I think it only became that way because it originally started out as a meme and somehow managed to infuriate people over it XD

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But yeah, I'm not even joking, in groups online that were supposed to be about philosophy or political debates, pineapple on pizza always manages to be more controvercial than like voluntary euthanasia, Americans with climate change, etc lol. The only thing that I think is more controvercial that lead to threats would be pedophilia. But yeah, in my experience, Pineapple on pizza comes second to pedophile "rights" of what is controversial.

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@PressF4Respect

Nah, a lot of people think pineapple shouldn't be a pizza ingredient. I like it on pizza myself, but I can't tell you how many times pineapple has resulted in heated debates with people. It seems to be a very controvercial subject.

So yeah, if Mharman likes pineapple on pizza like I do, guess it could be town.

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I'm going to predict right now, that Pineapple will be scum. I'm going to guess Mharman is going to put ingredients he thinks should not be pizza ingredients to be scum lol.

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Lol, this is great.

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Signing off for now given I'm not going to change my vote.

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Ok, so to make it clear to everyone on why I am not vtling Wylted anymore:

1) Given I was very suspicious of him in DP1, I bet Mafia thought it would be a good idea to keep those suspicions so we lynch him in DP2 and mess up again (this is kind of going back to my first post on page 1 actually, where I mentioned he was too obvious a choice, I'm sticking by my first thoughts)
2) Wylted is giving a TON of effort.
3) To answer Pie's question in post 47, those 2 scum slips were probably to feed my worries over reverse psychology - since I mentioned someone being obviously mafia being a clear target for mafia to convince us to lynch, I have a feeling he employed the same strategy as both me and press by putting targets on himself so obvious that no town member should fall for it.
4) If I'm wrong, we can lynch him another day. There's still other mafia members to worry about too.

So, that said, I'm leaning towards pie for much the same reasons as have been said. His behavior suggests putting little effort into the game, just lynching the most obvious lynch-targets. Take a look on page 18, comment 430 of dp1. He lists his reads just before he makes a final decision to VTL:

Town
Pie
Wylted - actively scumhunting with regards to characters and theme
Disc - mainly because of the scenario post explaining to Cog and trying to stop his own townreads from not lynching themselves

Lean Town
Supa - says he can get his role confirmed so I’m comfortbale keeping him alive
Club - says he has a PR that is non lethal
Warren - scum hunting, but personally I don’t think he’s doing enough but nevertheless it’s something
Speed - says he can also get his role confirmed

Null
Greyparrot - he claims early every time but since he’s not a PR I don’t believe him as much. I’d like more reads from him to be confident to put him in a category
Mharman - inactivity

Lean Scum
Oro - he’s scum if and only if F4 is scum due to F4 knowing his role.

Scum
Cog - he scumreads my top townreads and wants to give scum a free kill
F4 - this should be out lynch today due to his scum slip and Wylted’s research about Bsh’s Gayness

Using his own logic about Oro, we can conclude oro is not scum. He uses psychological projection on me, obviously, given he argued I scum-read his top town-reads when he actually scum-read my top town-read. We all know F4 was town. I'm willing to bet the other scum are in his confirmed town or likely town pile. We just need more info to figure out who specifically. I'm quite confident in VTL Pie

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@Mharman

True, but grey doesn't seem like someone to not say anything. He seems like a more active player usually. If it was Club, that's a different story and I'd have more doubt with you. Club seems to be more observant than one to comment.

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The question becomes, who silenced Grey if he was silenced?

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@Wylted

@Mharman

Mhar - though, Wylted brought up a good point. He's not posted anything other than VTL's so far. And Silencer can be modded to allow them to vote.

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@Wylted

Hey parrot. If you have been silenced vote for me to communicate that please

He did post in comments 26 and 58: only vtl's though. I see silencer can silence someone in the following DP, but it explicitly says "even to vote". I suppose it's possible that bsh modified that role. Though maybe there's another role that works similarly and doesn't silence their votes. I'll continue looking.

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@Wylted

But yeah, I kid you not, I try to use perfect grammar even in my text messages XD. I don't tend to use text language, with the exception of "lol" and "lmao". It's often a way people can help elliminate who prank-texted because they're like "[inster my real name] wouldn't text like a normal person!". Anyways, this is getting to a point of being irrelevant, but still has some relevancy since I get you are questioning my motives so far of being concerned so much over what I've said, so if bsh asks, I'm honestly just furthering this to offer reasons why I've been doing that, since it is a question of whether I'm doing town or mafia behavior. That said, I'll stop here though since it will basically be off-topic if any further I imagine.

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