Cogent_Cognizer

Thanks all.

I am Iron Man.

Interesting that Grey claimed early again in comment 8 , which is a typical Grey thing to do, Probably town.

Oromagi - in comment 76 is quick to blame PressF. I don't know why PressF is always the target for scumreads, but this is just bringing back to my involvment in Celebrity mafia. C'mon guys, do we really want to keep Lynching the same guy on DP1 all the time? Also, I'd like to note, in my most recent debate with him, I forfeited round 2 due to not posting in time and I was far too busy. He hadn't posted at least a few days after that on our debate which he could have easily put "Opponent foreited previous round" or something since thats typical of people on here when someone forfeits a round.  It seems like he probably was just busy too. 

I'm not ready to scum read Oro off of this, at best maybe slightly leaning scum, but knowing what I know of how he seems to play, I'm still skeptical of my first impression. But if I'm being honest here, my first impression was scum.

AROSE: Seems to be thinking similarly along my lines that it doesn't make sense to accuse Press right now of being scum. I put as lean-town, but subject to change. Also is new, and I think this is a fairly good town-tell for a new guy to Forum Mafia, as I was new just a few months ago.

Warren - Defended Grey in comment 101, and it seems like he suspects grey to be town, so this seems to be a town tell. His defense for late posting and then revealing seems like it's a pro-town move as well. So my read for him is moderately town, subject to change.

And I would give more but my wife is demanding I go to sleep lol. Not kidding. My final post, upcoming, will be a claim.

Alright, first and foremost, obviously i want to point out my strategy this game is going to be different for DP1 than previous ones because of how late I'm posting. In previous games I was fairly early and very active. As you all know, I'd often switch between VTNL to VTL'ing myself and VTL'ing people who I thought were town. VTL me and someone else as a way to confirm to town who is town. Both times I didn't consider myself to have a major role, so I saw no need to keep myself alive.

It's still pretty much the case, but unfortunately, you guys won't have much to go off of since I'm not having back-and-forth arguments as I did previously. Once I'm done here, I'm going to sleep, and by the time I wake up, the day phase will be over.

I cannot apologize enough for my inactivity, but since I can't get a hold of Speed to confirm that I shouldn't be posting, I guess I'll post anyways.



I am honestly a VTL that does make sense, especially since I am not sure I can be active and maintain activity. But, while I see merit in finding info from a DP1 lynch, I'm not sure it's as worth risking 2 town people being killed in one round. My reads of people will be up in the next post of mine. 

WAit, nvm, so I am not actually replaced then until this next Day phase? I guess I am going to have less sleep tonight lol. Very well, I'll offer some substantive posts soon. Now it makes sense why he didn't pm me that I'm replaced.

Ah, just noticed drafterman replaced me. Apologies again. Hadn't read that far yet, also seems speed didn't pm me that either, so hadn't known otherwise that I was replaced until I read the appropriate posts in this thred.

Regardless, probebly for the best for me not to be involved. Unless I decided to severely limit my sleep tonight,  So, I'm nto going to contest it. Drafterman can take my spot. 



This is my last post.

Ok, first things first,

I deeply apologize for my inactivity. I didn't anticipate the game to start as early as it did, and I definitely didn't anticipate the number of issues I'd have to deal with the first couple of weeks with school so far. 

That said, I'll offer some substance momentarily in my following posts.

Also, @A-R-O-S-E, if you have an unorthodox strategy as you say, you'd probably be a good replacement for me lol. I tend to also have unusual strategies, seemed to also cause some argument with a few users too; don't worry too much over that.

As I said elsewhere, I'm willing to join, But only if you don't have enough players in like 48 hours.

I also can't guarantee to be fully active, so having a possible replacement on hand would be a good idea.

I'm sorry, I would but I couldn't guarantee to be an active player. Plus with my mental state, I don't think it would be good for me personally until I solve my issue.

Feel free to take me off of "On Hold".

I'm back for a ltitle while to finish one last debate I had started with PressF just before I made my announcement of leaving. So, I'm making an exception to what I said for that. But, once I'm finished with this, i'll be gone for probably my entire school year. Having to deal with the health issues I have and university at the same time is going to take up nearly 100% of my time.  I wouldn't want to take an "On Hold" spot for 8 or more months. I'll just add myself again once I'm back full-time on this website.

Everyone make sure to read this

Hey everyone. I hate to do this but I feel I need to leave the site. Mharman you'll need to find a replacement for me, I'm sorry. 

So, as of late, I've had so many medical issues, so much stress, and everything good that has happened seemed like it got negated due to it leading eventually to a terrible ending. 

I suspect I'm developing schizophrenia from all this(in a prodromal stage right now) First, my grandmother had it. Second, I seem to have a lot of the symptoms. For a while I've been in complete denial about it. Intellect was the only thing I considered myself good in. I had constant ridicule ans bullying in my life that I started to considwe myself inept in everything and the one thing I considered myself good in was intellect/cognition. To consider that I have schizophrenia is the biggest blow to me I've had for a long time. I really still hope it's not It but I have to explore thw possibility since before I seem to have subconsciously omitted some symptoms to doctors in order to get a different diagnosis(that's how much I couldn't accept it). 

Anyways, my life has become a constant daily battle with fighting with my mind on what is real and what is not. Its quite awful. I 

I really can't spend time on this site anymore. I start a quarter at a university soon, and I need to devote all my energies ans focus on dealing with this problem so I can try to keep on a path to my life goals. 

This site(more like some users) also kind of bother me enough to be close to a trigger of psychosis. Its not good for me, and I need to focus on other things. 

I want to remind everyone that mental illness is more complicated than anyone peobablyncan can imagine. Telling someone with depression fir example to "get out of bed" and "you're not even trying to fight it" is overlooking a lot and is insensitive. Mental illness should be treated with care. It's not always the case someone will seem crazy if they have one. They may appear normal but actually have a serious problem. 

With that... Here are some songs from Mike Shinoda(from Linkin Park) that encapsulate what I often have been feeling lately:

Of course. When people don't learn by reason, then making a mistake by mislynching is my next strategy to convince people to VTNL dp1. 

I look at this from a long-term perspective. If we continually mislynch every dp1, perhaps I'll be listened to. 

If you're so confident I'm scum and believe VTL on dp1 so much, why haven't you VTL'd me yet?

I've accepted the idea that probably no one likes to VTNL except on MYLO. Given this, there's no point for me to vtnl

Warren brought up some good points in post 291. I can really only think of one or two contexts to compare parallelism and cognitive dissonance, otherwise they're pretty opposing ideas. 

Nonetheless what you said indicates you are misusing the term cognitive dissonance. 

CD is a phenomena that occurs when someone does something which doesn't align with their beliefs. Its an internal cognitive struggle that probably everyone has had in their lives at least a few times. I see it in myself constantly, not in the context of this game but real-life. 

My studying of psychology and cognitive science in general is somewhat of a two-edged sword. As I learn about cognitive biases and errors, I can't help but become more cognizant of these biases and errors within myself. In essence this is what cognitive dissonance boils down to: you realize these things exist in yourself and it can be somewhat of a metaphysical crisis. 

I think it's best I wait until I get to desktop. My phone is being wonky

Shit. This keeps putting me outside our pms

Keep up this questioning of me. It will make the others think we aren't scum

Wait, didn't Wylted just post something? Maybe I got onto to the wrong page for a second

What does CC mean in this context?

Either way, it's no detriment to town to VTL me really. Do if anyone has doubts about Pie being sum, you can VTL me

Perhaps you should explain why it would be detrimental to town to not have you anymore rather than defend yourself desperately 

The purpose for town is not to defend oneself but to kill all the mafia. Town has plenty of players. Often it's the case its good for town to have oneself be VTLd for the good of the whole. I'm sounding awfully communistic lol but it's nonetheless true for this game.

You seem awfully concerned with being VTL'd. Sounds like you have a team that has fewer players

Should have desktop access w/in a couple hours so that I don't have to jump on bandwagons and go on my own analysis

Good point. 

I'm going to assure you there's a reason I argue with you over VTLing on DP1 a lot.

Furthermore, Club VTNLd with me originally. We are both scum

Anyways, given Club messed up realizing that I was quoting someone else(probably because he read what I Pm'd him first rather than my comment that was quoting) its further reason to scumread me

Scum* not sick. Stupid auto-correct I swear

Go ahead and vtl me. Seems everyone wants to VTL on DP1 all the time. Given the odds are to get a town member, it's best to be a vanilla town member. Plus if I'm sick as you say, that's obviously good for town too. Best to VTL vanilla or sum than a power town. 

If I'm being objective, it is honestly best for town to VTL me. 

Mhar also said he hates green peppers. I'm actually a Scum goon

Think I needed to unvote first though then VTL Cogent

I'm my biggest scumread. I've not been townreading, I claimed Vanilla rather than a major role(something scum do) and been defending fellow scum like BMD

But, you know what, since I'm town Vanilla, I suppose it's not a big deal for me to by lynched and it can help town in the long-run. 

Yeah but I can give some simple scumreads so far. But given I've not read through anything what I'm going to say is highly subject to change:

Lean scum:

Speed: it didn't make sense for him(if he's town) to react to BMD the way he did, I explained why earlier.

Club: didn't make sense for him to claim cult this early, but still a little too inactive

I'm probably biased given our disagreement but I don't get why you would be putting words in my mouth. I'm tempted to put Wylted in lean scum, bu5 you are often difficult to read in DP1

Everyone else I definitely need to navigate through the pages more and read.

I'll have to wait a few hours before posting more in-depth reads and analysis. It's difficult to navigate this site on mobile and I won't have desktop access for at least 5 hours, may be up to 12. 

I'm still dealing moving as I had mentioned in the previous mafia game

We seem to agree at least about Club here. I can't think of a good reason a town member would claim that so early.

Wylted does seem pretty hellbent on putting words in my mouth.

I don't think I ever once said it was useless. That's you putting words in my mouth. 

I could, but I don't. I just say it for DP1. DP1 we have nearly nothing to go off of but behavior. I VTL on every day thereafter and as you saw, I've done that in each forum Maria I've been in so far.

I don't get why you call it a "free kill". They get a kill regardless of what we do unless some role prevents that. 

If we VTL, we could end up having two townspeople killed instead of 1. Regardless of what we do, unless there's a doctor who guess the NK correctly, someone will die. This notion of a free kill makes no sense. 

It could be more than a free kill if we VTL: it could mean they get two kills. Why risk having them get two kills just to try to kill a scum with absolutely no information other than player reads?

Also, it might be useful to BMD if you posted a list of potential roles that are in the game.

I don't think it's likely Mhar would have put roles that mess with results of NK's or lynches, given a new player. But, sure, this is possible. I don't see it as likely myself and we can probably dismiss the idea until we get evidence of that specifically somehow.

Is club somewhat new to mafia in general?

It's like, you're assuming I'm only going on math when I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm just suggesting we don't VTL solely off of behavior. Behavior is important, but we need facts and probability too. You're not going to convince me otherwise because, to me, it's just plain stupid to lynch someone off of behavior when you literally know nothing else but how people have been behaving. Behavior can be falsified, exaggerated, etc. Facts usually can't be.

basically what you're suggesting would be akin to in Poker to not even look at your cards(hard facts) and decide to make a decision off of other people's behavior. This doesn't make sense whatsoever. 

Let's look at our hand before we VTL dude. Wouldn't you agree if someone just didn't even look at their hand in poker and went solely off of behavior that this would be a stupid idea?