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@TheRealNihilist
Do you know more? Really? Because I made a statement that you contradict, or disagree with, then you want me to show proof. Why don't you show proof that it is not true.
I have read these things in certain places throughout my life and certain times. I don't feel like spending the time to research where I saw them, or where I read them.
You are right, citations would be nice, but so would a vacation, unfortunately, I'm not getting either of them.
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@TheRealNihilist
I am not wrong, George Soros would rather print fake news against Trump than be real and make money, he has so much money, he doesn't care. If the Washington Post printed something in favor of Trump, he would be on the phone wondering what the F they were doing. Right now CNN is losing viewership because people don't trust what they are spewing, yet they keep spewing it... so they don't care either. Neither did ESPN for the longest time, owned by Disney, but finally wised up and does their best to stay out of politics now. Thank God... More channels should follow their lead.
This is where you don't have a shred of evidence for you claim. I don't see the distinction between you and a Flat Earther when you say something like this. I know you don't have any but I will ask anyway. Do you evidence or am I actually correct about money and your George Soros conspiracy theory holds no weight.
Here is CNN Ratings...https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnns-ratings-drop-again-after-three-year-low-last-month
Sorry, I meant Jeff Bezos. I made a mistake. He would not approve of any good reporting of Trump. Almost 95% of the reporting on Trump on any news outlet besides Fox has been negative, even when he does something good, it is twisted into something bad.
It is a generalization, but it is true.... I did a poll.
How many people? Where?
I was just pulling your leg. Man we are gulible aren't we.
How do you know this, do you have evidence to support this claim? I think the opposite, so it looks like we are at a stalemate on that issue.
This is you actually trying to be pr*ck. Realizing my reasonable asks for evidence then decide to simply joke about it. Maybe you don't actually understand you need evidence to support an argument. By definition a person who is a homosexual would have to commit a homosexual act. This can be engaging oral or anal. Must be more but those are the ones that come up first. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend or do definitions of words require evidence as well or maybe you actually understand the joke made by you is actually st*pid and shows just how st*pid you are when it comes to making an argument.
I am not trying to be a prick, you are trying to be a prick by not realizing things that are common sense and acknowledging aspects of human nature that are learned as life goes on, you lose people, you have friends that admit things to you in their older years that you didn't know about, and learn how it affected them, things you don't find in written papers. Then you calling me stupid for having experience. These are things that are learned over time. Reading articles, doing papers, having friends, family, stories told to you, jobs, careers, college (which was really just an extension of being a kid) I have learned so much more by being out in the real world than I did when I was in college... just being on this earth twice as long as you, and being an adult for 22 years as opposed to your 1 year, owning a house, having real relationships, moving around to different areas, changing careers. You don't think that has any clout?
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@TheRealNihilist
You are wrong about the money. A private businesses sole aim is to make a profit. Fox, CNN even Breitbart care about money. It will always be about that under capitalism.
I am not wrong, George Soros would rather print fake news against Trump than be real and make money, he has so much money, he doesn't care. If the Washington Post printed something in favor of Trump, he would be on the phone wondering what the F they were doing. Right now CNN is losing viewership because people don't trust what they are spewing, yet they keep spewing it... so they don't care either. Neither did ESPN for the longest time, owned by Disney, but finally wised up and does their best to stay out of politics now. Thank God... More channels should follow their lead.
What I am saying is I wouldn't pay to see two men kiss, but I might pay to see two women kiss. It's a turn on, just like it is for most straight men.
This is fine but don't appeal to societal norms with most people don't like X. If you do decide to go to that path then I would like evidence because then I wouldn't consider what you said a gross generalization.
It is a generalization, but it is true.... I did a poll.
Would you say that most gay men and women think that men kissing is a turn on to them, I wouldn't know because I am neither of those?
I think so because a gay man would like gay interactions so it is sort of implied with the label of being gay or lesbian.
How do you know this, do you have evidence to support this claim? I think the opposite, so it looks like we are at a stalemate on that issue.
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@TheRealNihilist
The banner on the video says exactly that. Did you watch the video?
"Women beaten and robbed in homophobic attack in London." It says it almost throughout the whole video, then it switches to.... London Mayor calls Homophobic Attack Disgusting, Misogynistic.
A better question is where doesn't it say it is homophobic?
And yes, I agree with you that CNN and I are speculating on this story. However, I would not have heard about it if they had not reported it, just like most robbery assaults, but they spun it to get clicks... which I agree with you on that as well. This need for clicks is causing a serious division of people.
BTW, I think the same about Fox, they pick and choose what they feel is newsworthy. I am not married to any news network, I do think that the 24 hour news cycle is the enemy of the people. They manipulate the stories to support their agenda, and some don't even care about money, but they still care about clicks.
What I am saying is I wouldn't pay to see two men kiss, but I might pay to see two women kiss. It's a turn on, just like it is for most straight men. Would you say that most gay men and women think that men kissing is a turn on to them, I wouldn't know because I am neither of those? Based on my experience though and women I have befriended, I would think that most would say no, also based on the supply and demand for it. I'm just stating the obvious. I can count on probably two hands the amount of major motion pictures that have men kissing in them, but the amount of women kissing women would be way more... you know why? To sell tickets.
I do think that many homosexuals were abused as children, or sustained some sort of trauma that affected their sexual preference, or they could have some mental issues. I also believe some of them were actually born that way, so I don't condemn it, and I don't feel ill of it.
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@TheRealNihilist
I am not religious and WTF is a furry? I agree with you, and what CNN did is what you are accusing me of doing, the only difference is I don't have a news show and camera to report speculation to the whole world. They don't have the facts and they assumed, along with the victims, that this was because they were lesbians and it was homophobia, which doesn't make any sense. The news makes me mad when they assume things without all the facts, and all the victims are getting their 15 minutes of fame only because they are gay. These girls are now always going to think that they were targeted because they were lesbians, and it had nothing to do with the possibility that assailants were out to rob someone, if not them, it would probably be someone else. Again, both are speculation.
Now if it comes out that the only reason that they were beaten up and robbed is because they were lesbians, then that is when it should be reported in this manner, but not before that. So you are condemning me for doing the exact same thing that CNN just did. All I am doing is stating what else it could be, but we just don't know. I don't see you condemning CNN.
As of right now, it is not even news because the facts are these women were beaten up and robbed... which happens to many people every day, and none of them get reported. The only reason this made the news is because they are gay women and CNN chose to assume that is the reason. Would you disagree with that as well?
Now on to Homophobia
Do homophobes ask the people that they fear or dislike to continue to do the actual thing that they fear and dislike, in this case kiss each other, and talk to them about different sexual positions? No, a homophobe would tell them to stop doing it, then beat them up for not complying, but apparently these assailants liked what the lesbians were doing, and wanted them to continue, which is not homophobia.
Would a gay basher tell the people that they were bashing to make out before they started the bashing? No.
On societal norms, I guarantee that if you were brought up during slavery (assuming you are white), during a time that there was no uprising against it, you would not question it. To this day, you think you would, and you hope you would..... Would you be the advocate to end slavery, be put in the history books for doing so? Do you see anyone from the South in the history books for doing so? The truth is, you wouldn't even realize how wrong slavery is if you were brought up in that era, because you were taught that way. Even if you were against it, you wouldn't have spoken out because you would have been condemned for it.
I know couples don't do public displays of affection for other people's enjoyment. It doesn't matter if I like it or dislike it, I have no problems with men kissing. But most men do like watching girls kissing girls, and they don't usually beat them up for it. Women on women adult films rule the adult film industry, men on men are not even close. The fact is, the assailants liked it and egged them on to do more of it, then when they refused, they beat them, but probably to just take their stuff. Again, I have no proof, but it is a possibility, but CNN reported homophobia as fact. It was not even a question that it might not be, and I am basing this on the facts that we do have, and the victims account of what happened.
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5 people arrested including 4 teens. She doesn't seem to remember what really happened though. Says she left to go somewhere and when she came back her partner was hurt so she might have started punching someone, then she got beat up. It's kind of hard to understand her.
In the picture, she looks a lot like Jennifer Connelly. I love her... sometimes.
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@TheRealNihilist
My point is, most people don't get turned on by men kissing, and a lot of people do get turned on by women kissing.... Is this homophobia? No it is not, it is basically the opposite. Most guys don't want to see men kissing, they don't egg them on to do it like this situation. I've been to quite a few parties, and egging a man on to kiss another man has never been a thing, but it has for women, they do it (most of the time they aren't even lesbians)... And it is entertaining.
I don't WANT to see men kissing other men, but it doesn't offend me if it happens, and they can do whatever they want. Just like I don't care if an older couple wants to smack face in a public place, I don't want to see it, but go ahead, doesn't bother me none.
I just think these were guys out to find someone to rob and they happened on this lesbian couple and since they were already robbing them, might as well ask them to kiss each other. I don't think it was the other way around, which apparently the news, and you do.
Their motives were to steal their shit, and that is exactly what they did early in the morning on a tourist bus on the top where they know would be almost empty and the driver would not be able to see them. They could get away with stealing their stuff, and had to knock them down, otherwise they would run after them yelling and screaming, this would happen to a straight couple as well, while they are being lewd to them as well.
Being excited about one girl kissing another girl is hardly homophobia.
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@disgusted
What happened to it just being a robbery? Just go and automatically assume that the people beat them up because they were "together", stealing their stuff was just an afterthought.
It must be because I am gay, that is why they did this. "They must have seen us kiss or something. Then they were describing sexual positions, and making lewd comments.
Yeah, these guys are about to rob you, so they are not upstanding citizens in the first place. Maybe they did see you kiss, it was probably a turn on for them, which I think is the opposite of a phobia.
The girl mentioned nothing about them poking fun at their lesbian hood. I'm sorry, but two women kissing is pretty hot in my book, is that homophobic that I said that, every man would agree, if they are true to themselves. You think they beat them up first, then as they were beating them, they figured they might as well steal their stuff? I don't think so.
It was a couple of jackasses looking for someone to rob in the wee hours of the morning.
I think everyone would agree that two guys kissing is just gross no matter who you are, but two women kissing is pretty much ok for everyone. Don't argue it, I say the truth, it might be hypocritical, but sometimes the truth hurts.
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@Dr.Franklin
He lies when it doesn't really matter... it's more of an exaggeration, which everyone does, heck the pastor of my church would tell stories in his sermons when I was actually present in the story that he told, and he would exaggerate the story differently every time he told it. I think he tried to make it funnier, this did not make him a bad person. For instance, Trump said the Mueller investigation cost $45 million, when it was really estimated at $25 million, he didn't have the numbers right in his face at the time... Does it really make a difference? Not to the government because Gov money for some reason doesn't seem real to the people who make the budgets. They really don't know the value of a dollar.
He lied about his turnout at inauguration, who cares. He has been known to lie about golf, I don't know a person who doesn't. There are many instances where he has lied. But none will ever amount to the lie that Hilary told the next of kin, to their face, about Benghazi.
And Fact check is a bunch of crap, it's just a bunch of red lines on subjective things, no one really reads them, they just see how many things are crossed out in speeches and writings on a piece of paper without seeing what was apparently lied about. Just to hold it up and see all of the adjustments that were made overall. Which I guess is the same thing that Trump does with his exaggerations. But he is not the news.
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@disgusted
Regardless if this was Euthanasia or Suicide, it is still the same thing, it's just assisted suicide as apposed to not. What is your point? My point is that there is a difference between the government assisting you and you doing it on your own. One is not legal and one is.
You don't think that euthanasia=suicide?
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@disgusted
I'm just thinking logically, something that you are unable to do.
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@disgusted
Maybe not, but did they try to nourish her after she passed out, she had to pass out first? You don't just all of the sudden die.
If you attempt suicide in the US, they still try to revive you, pump your stomach and do the best they can. I would like to know more about this, but can't find the time to research it. It is just a horrible story all around.
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@TwoMan
Or my definition is just a complete ramble. Funny you said your comment was meant to be amusing. The guy that ran the clinic (AA clinic) was dead serious when he said it.
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@TwoMan
I've heard that before.... the leader of a group session said it in AA, but he was a hypocrite and a moron. He made me write a paper on what I thought wisdom was...
Here is what I wrote:
Wisdom is measured subjectively, and cannot really beconfirmed or denied by a third person, or the person in question. Some may believe a person is wise, and somemay not feel the same way about that same person. I think it takes wisdom to recognize wisdom,as well as a good amount of respect for the individual that is claimed to bewise.
So, here is what I believe wisdom means base on what I haveread and observed.
Does wisdom require an awesome memory? It does. Does wisdom require intelligence? It does. Does an awesome memoryhave a strong correlation with intelligence, I believe it does, but the two arenot mutually exclusive. Does wisdomrequire common sense critical thinking? It does. Does wisdom requireexperience? It does. A person with theability to become wise learns not only from their mistakes, but from everythingthey do and see, everything theyencounter on a daily basis, minute by minute, constantly observing and takingmental notes (most of the time, subconsciously). After a lot of time spent on this earthpeople tend to acquire/gain “experience”. I believe that all four of these things (memory, intelligence,experience, and common sense/critical thinking) must exist for a person to beeffectively “wise”. That is why we go tosomeone we believe is “wise” for advice. We think because they have experience, they may be able to recognize thecause and effect of certain actions, and suggest alternatives to reduce thechances of an unfavorable outcome.
The common sense/critical thinking aspect is the ability tobreak a situation, a story, a process, a proposal, a conclusion…etc. down intosmaller parts to deem if it is reasonable, believable, rational, or theantagonist.
A wise person is able to determine the possible outcomes ofdifferent situations based on all available information, and is able to changethe prediction if different variables thrown in the mix. These outcomes are based on the combinationof the experience/intelligence/common sense critical thinking and observationsthat a “wise” person has witnessed in their lifespan, this then leads to goodjudgement.
So, here is what I believe wisdom means base on what I haveread and observed.
Does wisdom require an awesome memory? It does. Does wisdom require intelligence? It does. Does an awesome memoryhave a strong correlation with intelligence, I believe it does, but the two arenot mutually exclusive. Does wisdomrequire common sense critical thinking? It does. Does wisdom requireexperience? It does. A person with theability to become wise learns not only from their mistakes, but from everythingthey do and see, everything theyencounter on a daily basis, minute by minute, constantly observing and takingmental notes (most of the time, subconsciously). After a lot of time spent on this earthpeople tend to acquire/gain “experience”. I believe that all four of these things (memory, intelligence,experience, and common sense/critical thinking) must exist for a person to beeffectively “wise”. That is why we go tosomeone we believe is “wise” for advice. We think because they have experience, they may be able to recognize thecause and effect of certain actions, and suggest alternatives to reduce thechances of an unfavorable outcome.
The common sense/critical thinking aspect is the ability tobreak a situation, a story, a process, a proposal, a conclusion…etc. down intosmaller parts to deem if it is reasonable, believable, rational, or theantagonist.
A wise person is able to determine the possible outcomes ofdifferent situations based on all available information, and is able to changethe prediction if different variables thrown in the mix. These outcomes are based on the combinationof the experience/intelligence/common sense critical thinking and observationsthat a “wise” person has witnessed in their lifespan, this then leads to goodjudgement.
After he read the above, he asked me i where I got it from? Like I had plagiarized it, then he looked at me with a smirk and said " Wisdom is gaining enough knowledge to realize that you know nothing," I call BS. My Grandfather was wise as shit. At least that is what I think.
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@zedvictor4
Yes, but consideration of consequences takes experience, knowledge, and probably someone that has lived a long time that has more of a chance of dealing with one or more situations like that. I know I have a lot more experience now that I am older, because my beliefs have changed quite a bit since I was young and naive. But then again..... I may never actually be wise.
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@secularmerlin
If you had a problem with life in general, who would you trust?
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Can a kid be wise? Can a young adult be wise? Would you only call and old person wise? Are all old people wise?
I've been pondering this. Thoughts?
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@DarthVader1
I'm pretty sure Disgusted is a girl. She is the leader of the war on men movement.
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@Greyparrot
Interesting history of Census. I do find it funny that White has always been just that. So, what is it really? Is it the vast differences in cultures that is the catalyst for the need to keep tabs on everyone, and we just happen to look different? Or, is it the fact that people look different that separates us, where we have to count everyone and keep tabs on them.
And if culture is the reason, are all white people's culture, no matter where they are from, so close to one another that it is not worth keeping track of, or is it that whites all look alike and you can't tell if someone is lying or not?
Maybe we should go back into the heritage/liniage of every white mass murderer and see if there are any similarities. Maybe they are all from Whales or something. I hope not, because that is where I am from.
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@Ramshutu
I’m a Brit in Canada, I eat Pies, watch football, wear my Union Jack T shirt (which goes over much better than when I wore it when I lived in the USA on the 4th of July). I retain and celebrate my own culture whilst assimilating and enjoying Canadian culture at the same
tome.
Assimilation isn’t a zero sum game of cultures.
Are you in the French speaking part or mainly English speaking part? And when you say Football, you are talking about Soccer, right? Also, it is much easier to share a culture when you speak the same language.
I went to Union Jacks on July 4th with my sister (in the US), it was kind of empty. She is so dense that she thought the ties the bartenders were wearing were in celebration for the US, confusing the British flag for the American. She thanked the bartender for his patriotism, I was pretty embarrassed. He definitely gave her a look, because he knew she was talking about the US.
I enjoyed a few pints after that.
The question is did you where that shirt on July 1st in Canada? That would be more akin to wearing it here on July 4th. Or is Canada's independence day not as celebrated as much as July 4th is in the US? How do they treat people wearing USA shirts instead of a Canada shirt?
Go to a Chinese grocery store, which there are more of those where I live than regular Grocery Stores, and tell me if you think they have taken on any American culture (are there any in Canada)? There are flies buzzing around, the whole store smells like fish, because they lay them out uncovered on ice all over the place as if they were boxes of cereal on sale. They have no American food at all, and they are huge, and always packed. I usually go there to pick up bait to go fishing. It's much cheaper than the bait store and they sell the same thing. The store next to my house is called Great Wall Grocery Store. There is another one just 5 minutes away, and another in the other direction 10 minutes away.
There are always accidents in the parking lot as well, just an observation as AOC was doing. I do go there sometimes hoping to find something I need for dinner that night because I forgot it while shopping at my own Grocery store, which is further away. I am always disappointed because they don't have it, or I just don't know where to look, or how to ask for it, so I just wonder around until I give up.
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@Snoopy
Come on Snoop a Loop. There is the white community, then there are white communities. In AOC's instance, she called it predominantly white neighborhood, which is really the same thing. There is the black community, then there are black communities, and so on. There are also Asian communities, which I think the word Asian is the most overlooked racist word ever.
Asian is a made up word to refer to Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, etc (even though there are plenty of countries in Asia, like Russia that don't fit that criteria, and don't act like you don't know what criteria I am talking about)... It was just a racist way to group them all together so people didn't have to try and differentiate them. I guess even a word made up a long time ago by racist people still works to this day, because all of those cultures are vastly different.
I guess my main question is, who is actually being "colonized" right now and is failing? And what is AOC actually trying to do? I am a bit confused. Is she trying to put Yucca in green spaces in communities that are predominantly Yucca eating cultures? Or is she trying to slowly integrate Cauliflower into predominantly Yucca eating communities as to not piss off the majority of the community?
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@Snoopy
I really don't like the term "people of color", just like I don't like "communities of color" it's just a stupid way to involve all minorities in the group of "colored people" but because that is deemed racist and only refers to black people, they just changed it around. "People of color" will be coined racist in the near future, mark my words. It's like saying I have a "car of silver," when really, I just have a silver car. Let's not beat around the bush here.
Also if AOC is making an observation, then let's all make observations and not be afraid to call them racist. She is saying that most people that live in that neighborhood eat Yucca instead of Cauliflower... is that racist? Apparently not. So if I say that I would bet most people in that neighborhood like soccer over football or speak Spanish instead of English, would that be racist? It just depends on who says it, hypocritical.
For instance, When interviewed, Bernie Sanders was asked about his age, he replied that we have to stop making decisions based on Age, Gender, Sex, etc. but when asking who is running mate will be, he said he didn't know, but it will most likely be a woman of a younger age. How hypocritical does it get?
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@Greyparrot
They come here because they know they are better off being here than anywhere else, Because We are the best around, nothings gonna ever keep us down, We are the best around.. nothings gonna ever keep us down! yet there are still citizens here that think that the US is the cause of everything bad. We are the devil country, and really if they just looked at how good we are, how we have balanced out every ideology, with the exception of anything extreme, they would understand that. But the fight goes on and the need for change, when we are doing great as it is.
I believe we do make mistakes, but we can't dwell on them, and play the blame game all the time.
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I agree with what she said, and I do believe it was taken out of context by Fox. Her video is clearly trying to positively affect these people of color communities by supplying them with things that they are familiar with.
What I don't agree with is actually doing it. What she is saying is she does not agree with assimilation. What she wants, or what this will do is to gradually have "country communities" instead of a mix of people and cultures in one place.
Now please don't ask for citations or proof of my hypothesis, but I believe this will lead to a more serious issue of segregation by culture. By making it more comfortable for people of the same culture to move in to the majority ruled culture of a community will contribute to people not in that culture moving out of the area, and people in that culture moving in. After several years every community will either be black, white, hispanic, muslim, Asian, etc.
This is the opposite of what we want for America. Unless that is what you want, I would hope any rational person would disagree with that, but it is what it is becoming, with these kinds of pushes.
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@disgusted
Did anyone have to tell Abraham Lincoln there was a civil war going on? Nope, he just knew it.
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@disgusted
I told you, I am pro-choice, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a war against men, and you are using this subject to hate on us more, when there are just as many women out there who are pro-life as men. You can march with your pussy hats on all you want protesting a law that does not exist and will not exist. That is how crazy some women are, protesting something that has not even happened yet.
I'm telling you, that you have nothing to worry about. Roe will never be overturned, it's too complicated. They will have to change many, many laws, and amendments, overturn many supreme court interpretations of the Constitution. It will be too much, and the repercussions would be too crazy, people that are smart understand this. That doesn't mean people need to change their beliefs.
There is a law about privacy that I believe in, and people minding their own business... If they don't believe in abortion, then don't do it. If they are pro-choice than so be it, there should be no outside force making you one way or the other. If the state enforces anything, and you don't believe in it... Move.
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@disgusted
@dusgusty poo.
The relevance is your ignorance toward men and what we put up with.
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@disgusted
It is a reply to your attack on men. And your claim that we think women aren't in the same class... and calling us misogynist pseudo men. I just wanted to let you know that. Also, I am pro-choice... always will be, but I think the father should have a say in it. Roe will never be overturned because it will cause more problems than exist right now. But stop hating on men. Just accept the fact that we are different. Let us do our thing and you can do yours, quit the complaining, you will be happy you did.
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Why are you men so ignorant of human reproduction? Oh that right women aren't the same class as you misogynist pseudo men.
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@disgusted
Women are just different, men are just different. Sounds to me like you want to go to war with men. Screw these country to country wars, the real opposites are the sexes, we should be fighting each other in the name of equality. This kind of thinking is irrational.
There are things women don't understand about men and there are things men don't understand about women. It goes both ways and is pretty much even........ but.... See below.
Men used to pull out chairs for you, men used to hold open doors for you, men used to tell you you were pretty and skinny when you were actually not attractive and fat, oh wait, we still do that.... You don't see men complaining that you don't do that for us. Men used to tell you you were good looking when you actually were, now it is sexual harassment. Even though we still tell you that you don't look fat in that dress, when you do, Chivalry is still dead because of an equality fight that is only one sided (who is fighting back? no one), because there is no such thing as equality, because we are different (apples and oranges). What happened to masculinity and femininity?
I'll tell you what happened, they only exist when it benefits women. Men just stand by watch and listen because we are either wusses when it comes to women, or we just don't care... We don't say much because we don't want the wrath from a woman if what we say is the least bit disagreeable to them. Women have had, and still do have as much fierce and dominance as men do. Men are scared shitless of women, they can be bat shit crazy, we know this.... Men keep their mouths shut, why do you think Trump won the Presidency? Many women would divorce their husbands if they knew who they really voted for.
In the name of equality since the 1950's:
We have doubled the workforce therefore decreasing pay to individuals, two people are working in the same household, and we have people we don't know spending more time with our kids than we are, and probably treating them like shit, neglecting them, molesting them, teaching them things we don't know about and don't agree with. We have lost all control over our kids in the name of equality.
At least the cost of daycare has recently risen astronomically, which for some people makes sense for one of them to stay home with the kids. It can be man or woman, but for the majority, that choice is now an impossibility.
Thank you women, and your desperate need to fight men on equality, it has come to the detriment of our kids!
But it is funny, in some aspects women are still taken advantage of using their pride against them, for instance, a car salesman asked a woman where her husband was, she wanted to prove she didn't need to have a husband to purchase a car, so she bought two of them.... She fell for the trap.
Men are the same, just taken advantage of in different ways.
But also, some women actually do sleep their way to the top, and men go along with it. Who is morally worse in this instance the man or the woman? Neither because they are different, but they are both morally wrong. What doesn't happen very often is men sleeping their way to the top, not because the top doesn't have women, but just because it doesn't work for men, another difference that cannot be applied to equality.
Maybe you think that whole rant was sexist.... being a man, I really don't care. My panties don't get in a bunch (I wonder where that saying came from).
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Good analogy. If he does release them, people like tardness are going to need an interpreter to understand it, that is when the MSM will put their janitorial spin on it anyway, another reason he does not want to release them.
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@mustardness
More speculation, just like the MSM. This is what they do, speculate, and suddenly that has been changed to news.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Exactly.
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@mustardness
Do you understand business? And how much secrecy there is? Taxes gives a big insight into all of his businesses, and you know who would benefit from that? His competition... His families competition. It's like releasing your social security number for the whole world to see for a normal person. He is the first Billionaire President, and all you have to know is how many properties he owns. No one is trying to see his taxes to prove he is rich, they are trying to see his taxes to see how much he spent on them.
Everyone knew he had some issues in that era. A few of his businesses went under and filed for bankruptcy. He, himself never did, another misleading thing the media has been spreading. There is a big difference between a person filing for bankruptcy and a business doing it.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
But I thought all the Russians were for trump, not against. Is tardiness trying to pull some reverse psychology or something? It isn’t working, just like whatever else they did during the election.
you know the rich pay almost 90 percent of all federal taxes. They also have the money to find the loopholes, which also supports the expensive tax guys, so it creates jobs as well. These rich people aren’t using TurboTax. What interests me is the cut to businesses, which does result in more jobs, higher wages and a better economy... this economy situation we are in now proves that. Of course at some point the market will drop big time, that is just the cycle of things, but Trump will be blamed, no matter how far in the future it actually is.
trickle down does work. Not every owner takes advantage, but most do.
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@Greyparrot
I don't know GP. Billionaires don't usually run for President. That is why this election is so crazy, but also why people wanted a business person in office instead of a career politician. I don't think Trump is your typical billionaire either. Maybe Swag could run for president if he gets rich someday.
I find it funny that I am pretty sure that everyone arguing with Mustardness is from the US, and he/she is not. Just posting things like MSM says.
And misspelling loser is one of my pet peeves. He did it like three times. I don't usually point out things like that, but I just couldn't help this one.
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You have not posted any evidence to the contrary of my claims, so you are right, we both can just say anything right now. I don't have the time to write a research paper.
I'm not going to talk about statues being a better source of information than books again, I never said that they were in the first place. You made that up. I said that they build interest.
"Not my President" means exactly what it says. What you are saying is the same thing, either denial, or I didn't vote for him, or if you are an immigrant.. doesn't really matter. It's just crazy and is promoting division.
Trumps birther movement was brought up before and during his campaign and he was using everything he could to win the Presidency, and setting it up to run. Have you heard him use any of the terms that he used during the campaign while he has been President? Like Lyin' Ted, or Little Marco... etc. No because he is no longer running for President, he is president.
"He shouldn't have made a tweet about a conspiracy theory that he can find no proof for"
What? Proof for a conspiracy theory? Then it wouldn't be a theory.
That is why it is called a conspiracy theory, there is no proof, just like the conspiracy theory about Trump conspiring or colluding with Russia. Are you saying that they shouldn't have investigated something that they had no proof for?
He said wouldn't it be great if we got a long with Russia multiple times during his campaign and his rallies. He also said it during the debates, not when he met with Putin afterwards. This was before he was pres.
The mediator asked Trump during the debates if he would accept the results if he lost, he said, we have to wait and see. Then it was all over the news that he did not say that he would. Now the shoe is on the other foot, where Hilary, the MSM and democrats are doing the exact same thing, saying that him not winning was illegitimate. It's hipocracy.
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@TheRealNihilist
I’m having trouble copying and pasting... so I hope you can relate my answers to your questions.
you said he was impeached, I can understand if you mistyped, my apologies. I do know what actually occurred. You are fighting me on everything when you mistyped your post.
Im for a republic, which the United States is... a Federal Republic, not a democracy. I guess you need evidence of that?
Because Congress sucks these days.. They are beholden to the party and special interests too much. Our Founding fathers could have structured something way off base to give someone, anyone, the upper hand, they put in checks and balances, they did unbelievably well considering the experience they had. You can’t account for everything, but amendments were necessary. Their writing skills are beyond beautiful, and capture what they wanted the new world to be like, using a vocabulary that surpasses some of the most educated (not intelligent), people of our time. I guess you need evidence of that?
you are right, I made an assumption based on your arguments in the past about the statues and monuments that you say glorify slave owners, and I say, regardless, they are still a part of United States history.
If they took Obama being born outside the US seriously, then proceedings would have happened, a full blown investigation would have taken place, but it was too ridiculous to proceed, regardless if it was true or not.. Dems and the administration started a full blown investigation right away when Trump said in his campaign , “Wouldn’t it be nice if we got along with Russia?” Or before that. I guess you need evidence for that.
There are radicals in the Republican Party and they can all kiss my ass. Another reason why I say our four fathers are smarter than congress.
President Obama was my president, I had no qualms with that. I hoped for change as well, he won the Presidency which gives him the title of President Obama, which I would and should type out every time I write that name... but unfortunately I get lazy. I’m not delusional.. I live here, and not to admit who the president of the USA is, is just crazy. That is living in a non reality. I don’t know about you, but I think it is best to acknowledge reality, it’s pretty much the definition of crazy if you don’t.
i really don’t consider twitter as evidence of anything. The whole point of them asking Trump, during the debates, if he would accept defeat is because of these allegations of voter fraud, which is much worse than Russia starting some Facebook accounts. But they still can’t accept defeat when that is the issue.... but wait, where is my evidence? I don’t need it. If you have paid attention the past three years, you would understand why I shouldn’t have to post evidence of any of this.
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@Greyparrot
We still have a year and a half.
If I were running for Pres to challenge him, I would wait as long as I could. The Democrats are going to tear each other apart for the next year. It is no holds barred when it comes to the next election, it seems to be more and more scandalous, scrutinized, diabolical and outright mean every year. They are going to go after anything and everything to discredit, humiliate, or maybe even throw each other in jail.
I think they are more separated than the Republicans now, with all of those Freshman, who are also in the 40% that you mentioned.
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@TheRealNihilist
Nixon was not impeached! He resigned before it happened. This is why I don't want to look up everything for you. Just take my word for it on the narrative.
The electoral college takes into account states with a smaller population that have very different needs. Believe me, our founding fathers were much smarter than anyone we have in congress today. But you would say, No, they are immoral and dumb because they owned slaves!
Every news station talks about impeachment if they want their candidate in. That is why we have opposing sides. But no one took Obama impeachment banter seriously.
I'm saying that republicans would not have fought this hard to try and prove that Hillary was voted in illegitimately if it were the other way around. They would continue to try to get her out of office, but not to these extremities. We wouldn't be going around saying "Not my President" like delusional idiots. They would not have questioned the results. Trump may have, for a little while, but we wouldn't have fought for two years over proof, and he would probably have Trump Hotel in Moscow right now, so being President did not help him with that venture. And why do they blame Trump for Russian meddling ability? Obama was in office and said we didn't have to worry about anything, until we did. Trump has nothing to do with keeping the votes legitimate, or making sure that people don't send out spearphishing emails. That is the responsibility of the current administration, not Trump.
But don't worry, Obama said to Putin "Don't do it"! who would dare disobey Obama?
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@Greyparrot
Evidence of Maduro and Clinton resisting peaceful transition??
Just kidding, I'm pulling an Omar. I included the picture of the kids in cages during Obama's administration on my last post just because I know it was easy to find. Most of the other things I have posted are a narrative, it would be a novel of thing, after thing, after thing, after thing, proving why I came to this conclusion. He wants me to write a book, just because he has not been paying attention to both sides of the isle.
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@TheRealNihilist
I don't need to look anything up or prove anything. The fact that someone did, what I would call, opposition research on who's supporters are smart and who's are dumb is what is nonsensical, and then reporting it to further divide the country is what makes me mad, and it should upset you too. These people are so far up their own asses that they have to do research to try and understand who these people are that did the unthinkable, which to them is voting for Trump.
The minds of a group of Never Trumpers:
How can people be so dumb? Lets do a dumb test and pick a state or an area that we know will work in our favor. Give them some survey questions and some basic elementary educational questions. Then we will ask them if they voted for Hillary or Trump. Then if the evidence supports our hypothesis, we will post it for all to see, and it will get reported by MSM. If it does not support our hypothesis, we just won't post it.
Whatever this test was is biased, just like the polls. I know this because everything that never Trumpers do is skew things to make Trump look bad and further divide the country. They did this in 2016, and it contributed to their own demise, and they have not learned their lesson.
Here is the photo of the caged kids.
When I said self defeating, what I meant was, she defeated herself by saying that. She thought that most of the country would see things her way, but she was wrong in the electoral vote, which democrats are now trying to get rid of. The electoral vote makes sense though, and just because they lost, they believe it doesn't make sense and are spinning things to try and prove it. They said Trump would not accept the results of the election if he lost and chastised him for it, but guess who is not accepting it now? Any way they can they are trying to undo the 2016 election. Do you think republicans would have acted this way? Not on your life.
Now they are saying that they cannot charge the President because you cannot indict a sitting president, while I think that is true for some weird reason..,. why do an investigation at all, I thought that was what it was for, even though the report was supposed to be about Russian Meddling, that was not really the main goal?
And to all these 500 or so former Federal prosecutors signing a petition saying that anyone else would have been indicted if they weren't the president... well, no one would have been investigated like this if he wasn't President. He could have fired anyone at any time, but he didn't.
Charge him or don't charge him.... but don't make him prove his innocence, that is not the American way.
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@TheRealNihilist
It is a statement coming from a poll, a statistical poll that is not based on fact. Therefore, there is no evidence to support or contradict, that is why it is wrong for you to spread it as fact. I am not saying that what I say is fact, either.
So polls are not factual? No they are not, they are stats from a sample size.... They are not like fact, like gravity is a fact.
It self defeated Clinton, it did not help her to call half the country deplorable, it made them dislike her even more. If people were on the fence, this probably put many in the Trump category. I don't know why I had to explain that.
You said "calling people deplorable" is self-defeating. This does not in anyway address that. You don't understand for something to be self-defeating it would mean the person saying something contradicts what they are saying or doesn't help them. You have not told me the intention behind Clinton saying deplorable instead accepted as something that did not help her win half the country. You didn't provide evidence to state the intent behind statement and evidence of what occurred later on that made it self defeating.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I am comparing N8 calling half the country stupid to Clinton calling half the country deplorable. Are you saying that what she said wasn't self defeating? It is one thing that contributed to losing the race for Presidency. And she said it during her campaign, not before.
That was an assumption based on his uneducated base position.
A person can be uneducated without being an inbred who has no social skills. You basically made a remark that is not logical to what the person who made this topic brought up. Even this assumption is far-fetched.
Why would anyone choose to measure that statistic?
You can find reasons why the data is like that. That is why people try to find reasons in data. You make it seem as though every single data is not used to find out why this occurs.
The analytics crew, or polling crew made a hypothesis and distorted findings or picked and chose ways to make that hypothesis seem feasible.
How is the data distorted? Because that is what they do. They say things and report things that support their agenda. This applies to all MSM.
The left says they do not judge people by their beliefs, yet you are doing exactly that. Putting people in the dumb group. That is hypocritical.
This does not matter too much but evidence?
And what I am saying is your researchers are biased, and nothing they say should be taken seriously, including that "quote" above.
Biased doesn't mean wrong. The burden is on you to state that this bias is impacting their research so much that it is distorting data like you said earlier on.
This was just a side note, not proof of anything.
1 out 4 paragraphs were dedicated to a "side note". You could have easily removed that if you are incapable of defending your stance but you didn't. Do you want to change what your anecdote represents?
I agree, they will not stop, but sooner or later, people will catch on, and they will be, and have been losing a lot of viewership due to that fact. They will soon go the way of the National Enquirer, reading things they want to believe to keep themselves entertained.
You need data to say how Fox and CNN will lose revenue eventually due to the spreading of false information. No I don't. I am saying I hope they do.
CNN and MSNBC have been focused on Barr and Mueller non stop for 24 hours, and not reporting on anything else that is happening in or outside of the country.... unless it has to do with "Trump is bad"
What has this got to do with anything? They are the news and they are reporting on what is relevant. What have you got against that?
It is not news, it is more speculation, some "news" outlets do it more than others.
I'm sure there are dumb (gullible and inability to critically think) people on both sides of the isle.
If you agree with that why are you against the creator of this topic using data to find Trump supporters did poorly in an intellectual ability test compared to Hillary supporters?
He is talking about a hardly comprehensive test that concluded "is considered a good indicator of general cognitive ability," the researchers note.
This is not fact, yet he is taking it as fact, and spreading it around. I don't need research and people to tell me what to believe, backing it up by crap research projects, and statistics that have been skewed so people like N8 can spread this around and try to make people feel like they are in the dumb category. This is the same thing that Russia did, only the other way around. Might as well include him in the Russian interference.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
there are political advantages to having a divided nation. if you listen to the democratic presidential hopefuls for 2020 that is their platform. they are appealing (pandering) to the minorities and lazy with promises of more entitlements, how does that bring a country together and how does that benefit me and those like me? Say what you will about Trump but the low unemployment has benefited people regardless of race/status etc
these sort of "studies" are insulting and degrading, what does that say about the character of those who believe them true and post positively about them?
I completely agree, I hope you got my sarcasm in my post. It says that they think Hilary was in the right by calling a potential voter base deplorable.
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@TheRealNihilist
Yes. You are saying that statement as fact It is more propaganda trying to divide us and you are helping them to achieve their goal.
Do come back when you have a detail explanation on how it is false or provide evidence that contradicts his.
It is a statement coming from a poll, a statistical poll that is not based on fact. Therefore, there is no evidence to support or contradict, that is why it is wrong for you to spread it as fact. I am not saying that what I say is fact, either.
It is like calling people deplorable, which was actually, in itself, deplorable, that didn't help Clinton at all.
You are making the argument deplorable is self-defeating. Do explain. It self defeated Clinton, it did not help her to call half the country deplorable, it made them dislike her even more. If people were on the fence, this probably put many in the Trump category. I don't know why I had to explain that.
You think that all Trump supporters are hicks and inbred farmers that have no social skills. That is far from the truth as well.
Where did he say that? That was an assumption based on his uneducated base position.
You say, if a person voted for Trump, chances are they are less educated, and therefore dumber, that is hipocracy from the left at its best.
How else do you measure who is d*mber if it isn't the less educated of the two? You also make the claim it is hypocritical without saying how it is the case.
Why would anyone choose to measure that statistic? The analytics crew, or polling crew made a hypothesis and distorted findings or picked and chose ways to make that hypothesis seem feasible. It is a way to divide the country, a way to hype up the left, and make people who did vote for Clinton feel like they are smarter than the average person, and should stand up and try to overturn an election that happened 3 years ago.
The left says they do not judge people by their beliefs, yet you are doing exactly that. Putting people in the dumb group. That is hypocritical.
Just because someone was able to eek their way through college, does not make them intelligent. Being able to think critically, and not being gullible are signs of intelligence, it does not take a college degree to do that.
Researches have already noted this "is considered a good indicator of general cognitive ability,". The burden on you is to discredit the research, the research he took part in or find a better way of measuring who is d*mb. Nothing that you said substantiated anything.
And what I am saying is your researchers are biased, and nothing they say should be taken seriously, including that "quote" above.
I would think people that don't go to college, and actually get a job to support themselves have a pretty big advantage over students getting ready to graduate. Life experience can help with intelligence more than going to four classes a day and partying every night for four years straight, and listening to liberal teachers that most never had a real job in the first place.
Anecdotes in the face of evidence. That is not a counter to what he said instead gave an "I think" statement.
This was just a side note, not proof of anything.
You are dividing the country by spreading these falsehoods. That is the goal of the MSM, and they are winning to keep us watching
CNN and Fox's goal is to make money. If spreading falsehoods and dividing the country makes them money then they will carry on doing so. If you actually had a problem it would be with the government not regulating enough or capitalism since those are the core problems.
I agree, they will not stop, but sooner or later, people will catch on, and they will be, and have been losing a lot of viewership due to that fact. They will soon go the way of the National Enquirer, reading things they want to believe to keep themselves entertained.
making mountains out of molehills, and not reporting real news
Just like what you said earlier on not supported with a evidence. CNN and MSNBC have been focused on Barr and Mueller non stop for 24 hours, and not reporting on anything else that is happening in or outside of the country.... unless it has to do with "Trump is bad"
just things that make you hate Trump and support the delusion that Trump voters are dumb.
If it makes money then they will.
You are right they will, and it takes someone with intelligence to believe what is right, that is why I don't believe your "researchers findings" or the conclusions that they made. I'm sure there are dumb (gullible and inability to critically think) people on both sides of the isle.
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@n8nrgmi
Yes. You are saying that statement as fact It is more propaganda trying to divide us and you are helping them to achieve their goal. Don't you see that? It is like calling people deplorable, which was actually, in itself, deplorable, that didn't help Clinton at all. You are spreading it around as truth, you are falling for their trap and doing exactly what they want you to do, being all high and mighty. You think that all Trump supporters are hicks and inbred farmers that have no social skills. That is far from the truth as well.
You say, if a person voted for Trump, chances are they are less educated, and therefore dumber, that is hipocracy from the left at its best. Just because someone was able to eek their way through college, does not make them intelligent. Being able to think critically, and not being gullible are signs of intelligence, it does not take a college degree to do that.
In fact, I would think people that don't go to college, and actually get a job to support themselves have a pretty big advantage over students getting ready to graduate. Life experience can help with intelligence more than going to four classes a day and partying every night for four years straight, and listening to liberal teachers that most never had a real job in the first place.
You are dividing the country by spreading these falsehoods. That is the goal of the MSM, and they are winning to keep us watching... making mountains out of molehills, and not reporting real news, just things that make you hate Trump and support the delusion that Trump voters are dumb.
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@Greyparrot
Well put.. I could have sworn that I replied to that statement earlier, I guess I never hit the post button, that upsets me because it was a good response. N8 is falling for exactly what the left and the MSM wants. True intelligence is in the form of gullibility and critical thinking, but it also has to do with experience. People who went to college are actually behind the 8 ball by 4 years, sometimes 5 or 6, even 12 years, from real life. 4 classes a day and partying every night just continues their adolescence. That’s why kids in colleges don’t really understand free speech, and why it is important. They actually protest it.
N8 has fallen for what Democrats, MSM, and college professors, who don’t have real people jobs, have done to continue dividing the country, and is spreading the message of Trump voters being less intelligent as fact..stats provided to you by the same people who do the polls, who are incorrect ... always.
n8, don’t you think it is a bit wrong to call half the country stupid? That is what you just did, whether you realize it or not. Might as well call them deplorable. Who is really dividing the country here?
I hate Don Lemon! Watching his unbelievable BS right now.
N8 has fallen for what Democrats, MSM, and college professors, who don’t have real people jobs, have done to continue dividing the country, and is spreading the message of Trump voters being less intelligent as fact..stats provided to you by the same people who do the polls, who are incorrect ... always.
n8, don’t you think it is a bit wrong to call half the country stupid? That is what you just did, whether you realize it or not. Might as well call them deplorable. Who is really dividing the country here?
I hate Don Lemon! Watching his unbelievable BS right now.
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@mustardness
So because it does not mean it is not valid research, people should believe it and take it as fact.
Just like this does not mean the President is exonerated from a non crime of collusion, but it does not mean that it does not mean that it could mean that he is exonerated of a non crime of collusion. This is not proof that this statement is meant to be taken as fact, but it does not mean that it doesn't mean it is not meant to be taken as fact.
Or replace "non crime of collusion" with "obstruction" in the above.
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@dustryder
I agree, MSM is reporting before they have all the facts, but stories become irrelevant pretty quickly too, even if it wasn't irrelevant when it came out. A retraction or an apology about something that happened a few weeks ago, no one cares about because everyone has moved on. I'll check out the letter, thanks for letting me know.
The leaking has got to stop though. Some things that are leaked are just not true too, so they must build a trust with these anonymous sources besides running with everything that shows up on their desks.
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