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I guess I've just gotten used to it. DART has its flaws but the interface is so pretty you grow to overlook them after a while
I miss the old font.
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@oromagi
Attention: 24 hours left in the Day Phase
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Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Speedrace, SirAnon, Lunatic) -- 5/6 votes
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@MisterChris
@Mikal
@LikeMagic
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@Lunatic
@Vader
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@SirAnonymous
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@oromagi
You could always submit your questions/comments to me and I can post them on your behalf. It would be annoying but admittedly funny. Hopefully GP's request is rescinded soon. I plan on pinging everyone for activity prompts at the 24 hour-mark. I may already need to replace one player and would hope not to have to find two. However I understand your concern and appreciate you letting us know. Let's wait a few hours and see what happens.
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@Stephen
I am just interested on your/anyone's take of it all. I don't have an horse in the race so there is no need to get snotty and uppity with me about it, Danielle.
You are going out of your way to share really flimsy, weak and false conspiracy theories that are discredited with a 2 second fact check. Rather than fact check you're sharing those as if they are legitimate and making me do the work for you. Do better.
Even assuming you could make out the birth date in that photo, it's so blurry you literally have no idea what that's a picture of. We have absolutely no idea what that list is for or what it's supposed to imply. It's just a really blurry photo of something we can't make out. If the person was trying to PROVE something, you'd think a CLEAR PHOTO is important. The fact that it's blurry seems very intentional. It's not rocket science.
And regarding the "yesterday's date" thing I told you I'm on a call (Zoom meeting) so I can't take my headphones out to listen to it.
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@Stephen
I think she says that she were sent there to observe the count. Does she have a right to observe or not?
No she does NOT. You have to be pre-approved with certain credentials. So not only is she a fucking nutjob, she's also apparently a terrible lawyer who doesn't know basic election processes. And neither do you or the dumb ass people you keep sharing nonsense links from. How are you not embarrassed yet? Honestly. Everything you shared was fake lol. You have to be on the list. Is she on the list?
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@Stephen
It proves a very old man was lucky enough to have lived through 20 Presidents and survived 17 of them. Or he didn't.
For all we know that person (who likely doesn't exist) voted for Trump lol. The most likely case here is that those people were pilot tests: people testing the website made bogus profiles to test whether the end-user was getting information shown correctly. Look at the application "date" (months ahead election) for a clue. As people on the Internet have noted:
1) Absentee ballot applications in MI had to be done *in person* at the county's clerk, where the clerk checks the person's voter registration
2) The only way fraud can happen is if the person opts-in absentee automatically, then dies, then someone living at the same address (say the daughter) forges the deceased's signature to vote. Of course, that's voter fraud, a felony punishable up 4y in prison.
3) The fact that these applications were made for this election mean that 2) is out of question, and someone would need to pretend to be the dead person when showing up at the clerk to fill out the absentee application. At that moment, the clerk checks up your info, and if you're 110+ years old, even if you look old, you can bet they will check you out.
If you like to be irrational, think that fraud happened, and the ballot was sent, the ballot was most likely rejected. Over 70k ballots were spoiled in MI this election for several reasons (some people deciding to vote in-person, for instance).
2) The only way fraud can happen is if the person opts-in absentee automatically, then dies, then someone living at the same address (say the daughter) forges the deceased's signature to vote. Of course, that's voter fraud, a felony punishable up 4y in prison.
3) The fact that these applications were made for this election mean that 2) is out of question, and someone would need to pretend to be the dead person when showing up at the clerk to fill out the absentee application. At that moment, the clerk checks up your info, and if you're 110+ years old, even if you look old, you can bet they will check you out.
If you like to be irrational, think that fraud happened, and the ballot was sent, the ballot was most likely rejected. Over 70k ballots were spoiled in MI this election for several reasons (some people deciding to vote in-person, for instance).
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@Stephen
All three of these link back to the same exact photo where you can't tell what it says, because the pic is too blurry lol. Great evidence. You people have no shame.
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@Stephen
Explain to me what you think this proves.
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@Stephen
More fake news that Maricopa county directly refuted as false. My god it never stops with the fake news conspiracies.
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@Stephen
We have no idea what it's "all about" because this contains positively no information about anything. It's a useless picture with another utterly useless reference to a lawyer (as if that's supposed to mean something). When I clicked the article the "evidence" got even more embarrassingly flimsy. Apparently the woman who filmed it “wanted to alarms that the box may have been a ballot box that arrived long after all ballots were expected to have been received at the counting facility.” By her own admission SHE HAS NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT'S IN THE BOX AND YET PEOPLE THINK THIS IS PROOF OF SOMETHING lololol. I can't. Not to mention there's no time stamp or reference letting us know where or when this was taken. For all we know this could be a picture of some rando in New Jersey from 2002. If we had that information the explanation would probably be very obvious. It's a fucking suitcase. I can't believe Sean Hannity had the audacity to share this. Talk about pathetic Fake News "journalism."
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@Stephen
Lol why does it matter that the Republican is a lawyer? What an utterly useless reference to his occupation. I remember hearing that some Trump supporters started filming people counting ballots in PA, and poll workers wanted to prevent them from recording people's votes which is a legitimate concern. There are Republican, Democrat and Independent poll watchers. Why should random people be allowed to record secret ballots?
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@Stephen
I can't listen to this because I'm on a work call, but I'm almost certain that when I fact check it, it will amount to a giant nothingburger just like everything else shared by wackjob right-wingers in the conservative twittersphere.
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@Stephen
Thousands of ballots being collected only today!!!!!!!!! ? Why?
I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Why would they not count votes? We always knew the votes would be counted for days. That's standard.
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@Stephen
Is it correct that ballots for people born in of 1900 and are well over100 years of age have been submitted, counted and allowed?
Is it? Where have you heard that?
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SirAnon (Greyparrot) -- 1/6 votes
Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Speedrace, SirAnon) -- 4/6 votes
Hamburgler (Pie) -- 1/6 votes
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It's one thing to be so narcissistic, so much of an ego-maniac that you refuse to denounce insane conspiracy theories like QAnon because believers claim you are saving the world, and that probably makes you feel good - so good that you will allow wackjob supporters to carry on their ridiculous antics and lies with zero regard so long as they continue to worship you. But for a President of the United States to perpetuate the narrative that there is cheating and widespread voter fraud without any evidence whatsoever is truly sick and very dangerous. This is the kind of shit you see in third world countries that creates civil unrest and division between civilians, government and the military. What are we, Bolivia now? Are we Ecuador?
The U.S. election system is not perfect. There MAY be cheating. Our voting system is not as secure as we'd like. But until and unless there is hard evidence, this posturing by Donald Trump as some sort of "hero of the people" being denied by the political elites is a script straight out of a (wannabe) dictator's handbook. The fact is Donald Trump is NOT supported by the majority; he lost the popular vote both times. He knows he's hated by more than half the country and routinely trashed in the media, yet he somehow can't fathom a loss. Remember Trump claimed there would be fraud in the first presidential election but let it go because he won. If he really believed there was fraud, why not investigate then and see if he actually won? The polls were all off so wouldn't that "irregularity" warrant an investigation? Why not investigate the 2018 midterm election? Oh right, because he wasn't running and didn't need an excuse for losing. That's all this is.
Donald Trump is the one who went on TV and asked his supporters to commit felonies by voting twice. Then he doubled down on it. Now he's complaining about "fraud," so you're going to have all of these braindead Trump supporters mindlessly parroting fake news stories and ready to take up arms. And he wants them marching in the streets with AR-15s. Do you think the President cares that he is going to create huge concern about our democracy and distrust of the electoral process? Do you think he cares about sowing division and riling people up to want to go out and shoot people to "save our country?" No, of course not. That's exactly why he's unfit to be President. Not only because he's an utterly incompetent, self-obsessed pathological liar who doesn't have a good grasp of policy and can't lead effectively -- but because he's a bad person and a bad man who truly doesn't care about the harm he causes if it's in his self-interest. That's true of most politicians, but Trump is particularly careless.
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China will benefit without Trump. Hopefully Biden (assuming he wins) appoints a strong Secretary of State to deal with them.
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I'll prompt everyone with a tag when there's 24 hours left in the DP.
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SirAnon (Greyparrot) -- 1/6 votes
Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Speedrace) -- 3/6 votes
Hamburgler (Pie) -- 1/6 votes
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@Vader
Dems are only happy because Trump is out.
Correct.
Latinos turned up in higher %'s for Trump than Biden is terrifying.
That's not true. Just like the "silent majority" was never true.
More Latinos showed up for Trump than showed up for him in 2016, but Biden still has more Latinos.
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Things were very different looking than when I woke up a few hours later.
They counted more votes. BrO iT's So CrAzY tHeY dId ThAt! Wiiild.
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Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Speedrace) -- 3/6 votes
Magic (Pie) -- 1/6 votes
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@Athias
Actually it does. It's the premise for all individualist moral arguments. There's no "Bill of Individualist Rights"
Actually it doesn't. Which part of the below statement explains why I don't have the right to put my baby in a dumpster? I'm not looking for an itemized list of what rights we have, but there should be guidance on how to determine if something qualifies.
Individualism is the idea that the individual’s life belongs to him and that he has an inalienable right to live it as he sees fit, to act on his own judgment, to keep and use the product of his effort, and to pursue the values of his choosing. It’s the idea that the individual is sovereign, an end in himself, and the fundamental unit of moral concern.
No, you do not have a right to put your baby in a dumpster. Can you put your baby in a dumpster? Yes. Would it be deemed immoral to do so? No. You do not owe the baby your labor ("...to keep and use the product of his effort...")
Why don't I have the right to put my baby in a dumpster? The only reason I wouldn't is if that somehow overrides the baby's rights, correct? Otherwise I would have the right to do anything I want to the baby just like I can to a stuffed animal or farm animal.
I can; but I won't.
Really? Why wouldn't you for the sake of dialog make your position more clear by referring to an example you have in mind?
"Not having yet concluded" which I'm going to presume is synonymous with "ignorance" determines moral liability of a moral agent.
Sure, but I'm not really asking about moral culpability; just the existence of rights. You've been saying rights do not exist outside the scope of human understanding. What about human agreement then? Wouldn't humans not only have to analyze and understand what rights are, but also come to an agreement on what those rights are (how to determine if we have right to do X)?
How is bringing them up relevant, then?
You said rights come from human interpretation. I'm wondering if being human is a condition you have for rights (and if so, why that is).
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Literally no vote in that time period was registered for Trump out of 138k votes. There’s no concern! Lmao no there’s something shady. Many people have been plotting it since
Another claim that is 100% false. The conspiracy theories are non-stop with these Trump nut jobs. Fortunately for Tucker Carlson the election will make everyone forget that insanely stupid false story he made up about his documents being stolen and subsequently being found with no evidence of anything. So embarrassing.
I bet the pedophiles that Trump is fighting are the ones that made up the MiChIgAn VoTeR fRaUd or maybe it was THE ELITES who knows but something's definitely up 🙄
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SirAnon (Greyparrot) -- 1/6 votes
Pie (Intelligence, Supa) -- 2/6 votes
Magic (Pie) -- 1/6 votes
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@Vader
Biden has nothing whatsoever to do with the shutdowns in your state or any state, just like Trump didn't. Note Biden's entire point is that it's Trump's fault we had to shutdown in the first place. If you go back to the presidential debate, he said the reason the economy had to be shut down was largely in part to Trump's negligence, and had he taken certain measures -- specifically telling the public about the virus sooner; emphasizing the seriousness of the virus rather than downplay the 'hoax' of concern; encouraging everyone to wear masks; and providing PPE to critical establishments among other things -- that businesses would have been a lot safer to remain open. Biden said "If I were running it, I’d know what the plan is. You’ve got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the PPE, as well as with the sanitation they need." So why do you think he is pro-shut down and why does it matter if he is anyway? It's up to the governors. Sounds like useless Fox News rhetoric to me.
We'll get to taxes and the economy later cuz I g2g for now. In short you say employers will not hire as many people if they have to pay more taxes. Tariffs are considered a tax and Trump is very pro tariff. He openly talks about forcing employers to hire more expensive labor and buy more expensive (American made) products. So by that same logic Trump's policies are equally if not more problematic. He also ran a huge deficit because he cut taxes without cutting enough spending. But we'll come back to that.
Btw the fact that you think Mike Pence is "better in every way" than Kamala is insane lol. Want to debate that?
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@SirAnonymous
To be honest I expected a more egregious lie than that. I haven't heard the story before so I looked it up. Snopes (I'm aware they're not perfect) rates the drunk driving claim as a mix-truth. I could see why that narrative came about and it seems Biden has since apologized and made amends with the family. That takes some character.
I just completely disagree on the plagiarism thing. I get why it's bad "in theory" but I just couldn't care less about it since Biden likely had no idea who wrote what. If his speechwriter or staff gave him a copied speech, he wouldn't know the difference. It's just a very small infraction to me compared to say plagiarizing the way MLK did. Even then I doubt many would say MLK's authorship concerns take away from his overall character and legacy (not that I'm comparing Joe Biden's character to MLK). It just doesn't bother me. And the handsy thing is creepy and gross and I'm confident with more of the #MeToo culture this prevalence will go away. That's why I support calling out all the gross things men do. Ick.
Tulsi Gabbard seems like she could genuinely be one of those reptilian politicians the Illuminati is always going on about lol. She gives me the heebie jeebies. I liked Andrew Yang's character (and ideas).
Joe Biden's environmental plan is not going to come to fruition. Some parts will and should, but that has more to do with Congress than him. Which part of his gun control advocacy do you disagree with? (I'm very pro-gun myself.) The Hyde Amendment is meh. It's interesting that conservatives feel federal funds shouldn't be allowed to pay for abortions because they "don't believe in abortion," yet argue that religious foster and adoption agencies should be able to discriminate against gays even though gay people's taxes are sent to those organizations. That case will be heard before the Court soon and we'll get to court packing later :) I g2g back to work for now.
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@Conway
Elizabeth Warren was the best Dem candidate to run against Trump. Bernie screwed her. Biden couldn't pick her as VP; he needed a POC after George Floyd.
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@Vader
I just don't like his shutdown, his potential courtpacking, Kamala,
What shutdown? Court packing is a subject I'll get to later. How is Mike Pence better than Kamala?
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@Vader
Seriously, his tax plan is terrible to the economy.
How so?
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@SirAnonymous
I don't think Biden is an improvement. His character is less bad, but his policies, in my opinion, are worse.
Which ones?
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@SirAnonymous
When you say Biden is a proven liar, are you referring to political things and if so can you specify? I feel like it's hard to be 100% truthful in politics (that isn't to say lying is excusable, but context matters).
As far as assault, I hate to defend this (trust me) but Biden seems like your run of the mill creepy old man. I think we all know people that are too handsy. He seems to lack total wherewithal about why it's not appropriate to touch everyone. That is completely unacceptable but I don't think he means anything by it, especially with kids.
And the plagiarism thing doesn't bother me. Virtually no politician writes their speeches anyway; they're all reading someone else's words. Maybe they help influence the speechwriters here and there but that's about it. Was there a candidate whose character you felt was exemplary that Dems should have run instead of Biden?
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@Greyparrot
Maybe a bobby jindal or Rubio type
How are they different? Because they're minorities and ask the GOP to be more inclusive? Are you saying the GOP is cow towing to identity politics?
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@SirAnonymous
I didn't catch that line, and I don't agree with it. Given the candidates they nominated, I don't think either party has much claim to "[valuing] character and competence."
Which Dem candidates lack character? (Not disagreeing; just curious who you're talking about.)
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@Athias
Individualism is the idea that the individual’s life belongs to him and that he has an inalienable right to live it as he sees fit, to act on his own judgment, to keep and use the product of his effort, and to pursue the values of his choosing. It’s the idea that the individual is sovereign, an end in himself, and the fundamental unit of moral concern.
You've stated that Individualism is the one logically consistent interpretation of rights from human analyses. This description does not explain what the Individualist view on rights is. For instance do I have the right to put my baby in a dumpster? Is there anyone you can defer to who does espouse the logically consistent Individualist interpretation of rights? (I assume you believe Hayek and Popper do not.)
The rights themselves can neither be exercised nor precede the analysis.
So if you have not yet concluded you are doing something immoral, it does not qualify as immoral?
Can they "interpret" them? Robots and animals aren't moral agents.
Not yet ;) Robots may be capable of 'thinking' pretty soon.
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@Greyparrot
And you will never see another Bush, Romney, or McCain ever win a Republican primary ever again.
What kind of character can you see running in 2016? (My old boss trademarked like every version of Ivanka2024, Ivanka2028, 2032, etc. lol). Do you think the GOP is going to become more populist/less capitalist or what kind of specific changes can you see coming? I'm fascinated by it.
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@SirAnonymous
From the article: "It is uniquely the burden of conservatives and Republicans that we value character and competence" lol. In other words Democrats are garbage people. Very nice. Other than that this was a pretty fair take from a conservative and I agreed with him on most things. This is how I imagined conservatives would feel: torn, not ready and willing to take a bullet for King Trump.
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@MisterChris
Happy Birthday :) Be careful as doing illegal things has more consequences now.
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For the record, what I think makes a good debater is the ability to effectively argue the shit out of a position you don't agree with.
By the way is there a thread where people post debates that need to be voted on?
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@Athias
There's no "type" of individualism. Only individualism.
Define the one logical interpretation of individualism.
Even if the analysis is made some time later, that doesn't mean that it can't apply in retrospect.
So now you're saying that humans did have rights before they could interpret them? Why?
I do not equate "other species" with "non-living." The answer to both is no.
Neither do I. I was asking about other species (like animals) or non-living (like robots). Why wouldn't they have rights if they could interpret them?
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@fauxlaw
Most of your response is not coherent. I'll start with my unanswered question.
Me: There must be something they think [ACB's] going to do, correct? What exactly is that?
You: Yes. Follow the law.
Me: Everyone expects every Judge to follow the law. Clearly [Republicans are going out of their way to rush ACB's confirmation and deny Obama's appointment], so conservatives are hoping ACB does certain things/rules a certain way on key issues [that a Democrat appointment would not]. What are those issues, specifically?
We know for a fact one of them is Roe v. Wade because Trump explicitly said it. What else are conservatives hoping she does? I posit one of them is ruling in favor of religious foster and adoption agencies that want to prevent gays from adopting or fostering needy children. That case will come before the Court soon and uhh, we have a pretty good idea how ACB will rule (I personally wouldn't mind the discrimination if those agencies did not get any government money).
Now onto the argument. You said earlier that Lawrence v. Texas was wrongly decided. In post #17 you said that my issue is with "the states" but then later conceded in post #24 that the SCOTUS may deem a law unconstitutional. Ergo are you taking back what you said earlier in that "my issue is with the states" or do you actually think gay people deserve to be thrown in prison? That's what your argument was earlier: that states should be allowed to throw gay people (or anyone that engages in anal sex) in cages.
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@drafterman
I felt bad for stalling the game so I already started :( Next time!
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(And to confirm from the OP, the day phase ends at 4:30 pm EST on Friday. Also Mikal = DuhHamburgler)
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