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@Greyparrot
Even Democrats that voted for Biden think this is just political theatre to distract from present failures.
It is. That doesn't change the fact that Trump and everyone who conspired to reject the peaceful transfer of power should be disqualified from office let alone considered a frontrunner in future elections. The price of gas has nothing to do with the crimes of conspiracy and sedition. As someone who complains about whataboutism all the time, the desperate red herring of bringing it up whenever Jan 6 comes up should be really obvious to you.
I don't plan on wasting my time talking about markets with Trump tards here though so this will probably be my last post. I just wanted to point out how dumb and dishonest they are for at the very least not mentioning Trump's position on the pandemic checks when they bring up the red herring of inflation in response to his disregard for the constitution they pretend to care about so much.
So ironically you support preserving Democracy by allowing the incarceration of political opposition. Brilliant.
Uh, no. I support the Jan 6 hearings assisting with the prosecution of Trump, Giuliani, et. al. not because they're "political opposition" but because they're guilty of the crimes they're being charged with. And if they weren't guilty then the evidence presented at the hearings wouldn't matter now would it.
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Imagine being so pathologically partisan and fundamentally brainwashed into thinking that temporary inflation is more significant than a president or coup trying to overthrow the government and the results of an election in the United States lol. What an unfathomably stupid red herring. Of course the Trump tards are too dumb and dishonest to acknowledge that the 4 trillion dollars printed out of thin air in 2020 literally had Donald J. Trump's name on them.
I can't imagine what kind of nerd would sit around and watch the Jan 6 hearings. I guess the people who watch CNN might tune in for a little while but I don't think the goal is to impact elections (even though they should). Everyone knows that Trump supporters would literally sprinkle his dick cheese like parmesan over their spaghetti before ever rejecting him as a legitimate candidate, despite his brazen attempt to support domestic terrorists. "Lol nobody cares." True patriots.
I'm glad the hearings are being aired though in the sense I hope they assist any other criminal prosecution that's going on against Trump or his cronies. Any politician who willfully conspired to try and overthrow the election and pledged their loyalty to Trump over the constitution should obviously be disqualified from office. It's a bit gross that this has to be dumbed down and explained to the people that scream "NATION OF LAWS" and "mUh CoNsTiTuTiOn" all the time but deep down they know they're just hypocritical dullards with no scruples. The same people who preach wariness of politicians are the same ones who would milk Trump like a cow if given the opportunity. The hearings will have zero impact because of that.
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@whiteflame
I agree with all of that. Some things I'll add is that badger seemed eager to want to out results from PRs on DP1 and DP2, but now says he has two reports he does not want to out. Why should other people out their reports but not him? I also think the town could get lazy in reading his "I'm too drunk to concentrate" and "I just want this game to be over with so I'll vote for people I allegedly 100% read as town" to slip by as acceptable despite being so unhelpful and anti town. It makes it impossible to read him. What people read as his perceptiveness (ie. his being correct about Earth as town) could just be him being an informed scum player.
Re: Wylted, on DP2 he said in post #22 "He should have been lynched the oro lynch was obviously shit and we need to look at players from that lynch pool." Then immediately after in post #25 he said "Really? Because his scum read was wrong? Come on now. He at least didn't lead a mislynch like happened to oro."
So on one hand he says we should look at players on the oromagi lynch wagon because they misread, and on the other hand he says it's unfair to sus Barney (now Wylted) just because Barney's read was wrong on DP1. If wrong reads are not a reason to sus people, then why did he say we should FOS people on the oromagi wagon for their misread? That's contradictory logic. I've found those using contradictory logic are often scum.
I think we should lynch Wylted for now. He never officially claimed popular and never offered to test it so we might as well do it. He could be lying. I agree we have no choice but to town read MisterChris for now given his two lynches not going through. If and only if Wylted flips town would I assume that MisterChris is some sort of OP scum, and even then we could just try and lynch him a third time. Unvote and VTL Wylted.
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I guess a popular role could be mafia. I presume others agree that Wylted and Chris probs aren't on the same team.
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@Mharman
Is badger's vote locked on whiteflame intentionally or did you miss his vote for MisterChris?
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Wylted I know you're gonna claim popular or whatever. I just realized that's probs why you were so confident that GP is town (role balance). But why wouldn't you have us test/prove your role earlier and more importantly why wouldn't you consider that a huge strike against MisterChris? I feel like you should have pushed more for his lynch. Interesting. I guess we'll see what happens.
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@badger
He's unlynchable Danielle.
Then there's zero reason for you to not hammer him right now.
I'm probs not voting for anyone else until Wylted responds.
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@Wylted
Ugh I just realized that Wylted is could be the popular townie or beloved townie or whatever while GP is hated.
In that case though it would really make MisterChris' role make no sense.
Wylted can you confirm? It would be very odd for you not to out that role earlier so I could be off. Claim now please.
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When I said "If [MisterChris] does flip scum, I'd be a little more wary of Barney and Greyparrot" I do realize that Barney = Wylted btw.
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As for the two besides me who weren't on the wagon (and I was the mafia's target for NK last night btw) we have
that2user - Very likely vanilla IMO, and
Wylted - It's weird af that he was so overly enthusiastic about the game that he was scum hunting and posting analysis before he was even in it, but then once he officially joined has contributed basically nothing. He even took the time to respond to GP's dream and didn't post anything else scrutinizing the game whereas he was so vocal early on. I think a MisterChris, Greyparrot and Wylted team is very possible. Wylted should probs claim tomorrow. I'll VTL MisterChris for now.
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After skimming the end of last DP again I'm still pretty confident that MisterChris is scum.
Obviously not everyone on the Earth wagon is scum, but we can't ignore it so I'll start with my reads on those people.
Speedrace - First person on the Earth wagon (though he did note behavioral sus of Earth during DP1 before Earth claimed Doc). He hasn't done much this game but buddy up to whiteflame. He also seemed willing to lynch Greyparrot on DP2 but never waivered off the Earth lynch, without really considering what it would mean for town to mislynch the doc at this point in the game while we're behind. Admittedly his reasoning for sussing Earth's claim was sound.
whiteflame - Null. He's not taking a strong lead on anything. More reactive than proactive. I dunno if Speed would insist WF is town so hard though unless he really is (whether Speed is scum or not).
SirAnon - Descriptively his justification makes more sense with the Gramps role, so I was wondering why (if he's scum) he wouldn't claim that instead of Babysitter which makes no sense with his description at all whatsoever. But behaviorally I town read him so hard and will have to give kudos later if he's mafia. There's a part of me that thinks he could be TP scum, especially since he noted "my role does have some utility as a weak suicide bomber." But I can't worry about that now.
MisterChris - His role fits his character description, but coupled with a town doctor and other protective roles I don't see a lynchproof townie in the game. Obviously he's proved his role before, and if he doesn't die upon being lynched again we'll have to just presume he's town. But game-wise his contributions have basically been to (1) delay or prevent the lynch of Greyparrot by saying his role allegedly balances GPs; (2) push for people to lynch Earth and (3) go quiet upon the more recent pressure. If he does flip scum, I'd be a little more wary of Barney and Greyparrot.
Badger - Hard town read, but being 100% confident that Earth was town, and then voting for him and encouraging someone else to hammer him obviously makes no sense. Just like badger wanting to out the PRs early for no reason made no sense. He often makes no sense and people just let him get away with it as a personality read. That could be scary if he's maf but for now I'll ignore it. I do feel sketched out by the fact he isn't pushing to mislynch me tbh which is his biggest town tell, cuz he usually can't read me for shit.
Greyparrot - Didn't claim his role and character right away. His role description does not make much sense with his character IMO. He hasn't focused on anyone but Speed, and worse never made a case against Speed. For instance he asked me "what do you think about Speed" (after I already said Speed was probs mafia) and it's like bruh what do YOU think about Speed? Lol why is he asking me to make a case against Speed. If he wants to lynch Speed so badly then he should make a case against Speed instead of just saying "let's lynch Speed" and expecting people to follow. I dunno how I'm supposed to read this crappy play as town (especially after just hammering the doctor with no protest upon being instructed to, even after focusing on Speed all DP) but I mean I guess some people's meta is to suck lol who knows. Also seems a bit odd that he didn't respond regarding MisterChris at all.
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I was saying last DP that I did not believe Earth, GP and MisterChris are all town. I still feel that way. Balance wise I'm learning more toward GP being town. There's no way the town has a doctor that can stop NKs, a babysitter that can stop NKs, a role that explains why there was no NK last night (I know what it is) and a lynchproof townie. That's way too OP for town.
Obviously mafia has a Strongman for balance but MisterChris is probs scum. Speedrace is probs scum. And as for the last scum I'm thinking Wylted but I'll have to look back on last DP and what happened with Earth before drawing any conclusions. I skimmed it VERY briefly.
I just got home from my trip and don't plan on being online tonight, but I'll sign on in the morning fo sho. I'm definitely down to lynch MisterChris under the premise that there's literally no reason not to test it and he's probs guilty. Maybe I'll wait until tomorrow morning to vote to ensure more discussion, but that should be the move tomorrow.
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I'ma wrap work up early so I could get on the road. Knowing MC is confirmed I guess that gives credence to GP's claim, but I still really think the Falcons as hated makes no sense. "Hated" for losing one big game just seems so odd. It's remembered more as a Tom Brady comeback then Falcons choke IMO. And more importantly, the other teams in the game don't seem to have any significance at all in terms of their affiliation with the Patriots or whatever other team could be scum.
For now I'll buy a Strongman balancing the doctor although I have some thoughts to share on this at a later time.
As I said before, the mod knew we would test MisterChris' claim so there's obviously a reason he put it in there. That's a town assist (if he's town) so either he's scum or there's a scum role that balances it out somehow (rather than a town role it balances out). It seems a little presumptuous to presume we would auto mislynch Greyparrot as a justification for a town lynchproof role. I think MC's role could possibly balance out another one but not hated. I guess time will tell.
We're pretty much back to square one having to pressure someone else for a 5th claim out of 10 living players if we don't lynch GP. As I said I won't be able to post much anymore until Monday. How would ya'll feel about a no lynch? I know it's not a popular suggestion after DP1 but I can't see ya'll getting a sufficient wagon on another player in time so that just might occur on its own anyway.
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Yeah I just didn't see a need to vote right then but VTL MisterChris. I just noticed SirAnon's post saying he doesn't think Luna/mharman would make an unlynchable scum player based on previous fiascos, so that again got me thinking about Earth's doc claim. I guess it's not OP if there's a Strongman like he says. That actually makes more sense balance wise.
If MisterChris doesn't die what are next steps? Lynch Greyparrot, lynch someone else, vote NL or pressure for another claim? It's boring me to be the only one to move the game along today so I'll probs just wait to see what everyone says and check the thread once more later before I leave for the evening. Wylted, SirAnon and that2user should post more.
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I'm obviously gonna vtl MisterChris to test his theory (no reason not to) but just wanted to post a little more first for funsies in case anyone had any other thoughts. Plus I still want Earth to answer my questions.
Note I'm going away for the weekend and wouldn't be able to post much unless my wife sleeps in and I have time in the morning or something via iPad (which I hate using for this site). Monday morning I'll be able to resume posting as normal.
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@MisterChris
There is literally no world in a game (even non-role madness) that employed the joint efforts of Lunatic & Mharman that a 12 player game would have 4-5 vanillas. This is why I requested excess vanillas to claim. Having 3 is already a good amount. If extra vanillas came forward, that would implicate that some of those vanilla claims are scum. We would have a decent springboard to investigate further.
I could see a world with 4 or 5 vanillas depending on what the other roles are. Having all the vanillas claim right away of course narrows down the role players for scum.
I don't like to overanalyze balance but I'ma do it a little bit. I believe you're lynchproof cuz there would be no reason for you to lie. The mods obviously expected us to test your role claim, so my guess is they assumed we would mislynch GP and you were there to kinda balance that out, or you are lynchproof scum and meant to teach town a lesson that role confirmation does not = affiliation proof. I could definitely see TUF doing that (not sure about mharman) and possibly only having 2 scum in the game to balance that power dynamic
It's a little hard for me to see both you and Earth as town. The justification for you being lynchproof (overcoming severe player injuries) could fit with doctor as well, so it's interesting that the Buffalo Bills = doctor because of their recent work with a hospital. And it's weird that Earth disappeared. He, SirAnon and Wylted aren't contributing much all of a sudden.
If you're town and your role prevents us from mislynching a townie, and there's a town doctor that potentially saves someone at night, that could make it harder for mafia to pick people off. Coupled with something else I'll point out later I just feel like the game would be balanced against scum if you're both town.
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@MisterChris
AFC South included Danielle, Oromagi, and That2.Oromagi is confirmed town, and Danielle is a strong town read.That2 is heavily implicated by that logic. The fact that they have been so quick to push for a Barney lynch/OMGUS me, and the fact that their role as vanilla is suspect balance-wise doesn't help.
I don't understand why you think this. There's no reason at all from what I can tell to think that theme split has anything to do with divisions. Why does 3 people in a division seem inherently scummy to you? At this point I think we have enough behavioral reads to go on rather than random guesses about theme (which have so far all been wrong).
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@Greyparrot
Lol I never said anything about this being my best town play and I'm not even pushing to lynch you. I still haven't voted and I've given you ample opportunity to try and pressure someone (anyone) else and/or explain how you're helping town by sacrificing yourself. You've chosen not to answer or post anything useful. No need to get pissy at me for your decision to play like ass.
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@Greyparrot
Lol why would you need to test Wylted's reaction? His whole existence is reactive.
I still have no problem voting for you based on role and behavior. You're not doing anything pro town, your justification doesn't make much sense, you didn't immediately claim your role and you aren't moving discussion along even without stating reads. For these reasons I consider you a net detriment atm. I'd be down for voting MisterChris for a claim instead but you haven't seemed interested on trying to pressure anyone else. It doesn't help town at all for you to concede (we don't learn anything from your wagon if you're town considering the justifications for voting you) so it seems strange you'd be willing to sacrifice yourself if innocent. How do you think your death even helps with POE if you have no reads - who should we suspect if you flip innocent?
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@Greyparrot
Well I don't really have any solid reads yet. Other than Wylted and that's a kinda shaky read since he got swapped.
Then why did you immediately vote for him at the start of the day phase? Post #6
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@Greyparrot
I should die anyway on principle for being soft confirmed by mod saying a pro-town stipulation of my role at MYLO in public discourse
I don't recall this but it doesn't seem like a mod confirmation. He could have been speaking in theoretical terms.
If you think this town confirms you then why not put up a fight and try to play rather than just concede?
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@Greyparrot
Why would you think that?
Think what?
Me flipping town after today isn't going to clear you as town.
Okay? Never suggested it did.
If you do flip town you should feel bad about how poorly you've played. Who should we lynch besides you? You haven't said anything.
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It seems most people that have posted agree there's probs 2-3 scum among whiteflame, SirAnon, Speedrace and MisterChris. Interesting then the decision to lynch Greyparrot despite those odds. I'm still down to lynch GP - I just want Earth to answer my two questions first. I don't think Earth and GP are on the same team. It would be good to hear more from SirAnon, Speedrace and MC too.
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@Greyparrot
I can't imagine why anyone would waste an action investigating me, and it's strange and unusual you repeated that idea more than once.
It would be totally reasonable for someone to investigate you considering you claimed a role you cannot prove and has a weird justification.
I mentioned a possible investigation on you once. It sounds like you're questioning if I'm the cop. If you thought I was the cop or knew anything at all about an investigation on you, why would you point out my comment as being "strange and unusual" rather than just noting I'm in your town pile?
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@That2User
Why is GP going to be the lynch? Feel MC is the best option
Why not GP and why MisterChris over anyone else? I have my reasons; what are yours? You never answered why you claimed vanilla out of nowhere for no reason. What was the thought process there?
I agree with Speedrace that it might not be worth outing another PR although it seems Earth would be the target tonight.
I'm waiting for Earth to respond to me before voting anyway.
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@Earth
You initially noted that you would not be much of a help in this game because you didn't follow the NFL (post #25 on DP1). Then in post #368 last day phase you said "The theme is definitely something to do with losses and Falcons are hated for blowing a massive lead in Superbowl LI." I don't think the Falcons are really hated for losing the Superbowl but anyways
#1 why did you presume last DP that the theme "definitely" has something to do with wins and losses if that has nothing to do with your role justification?
#2 Can you explain why you're unwilling to lynch Greyparrot knowing there won't be "substantial evidence" against him this day phase?
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@Speedrace
Also I still don't get the behavioral reads on That, they seem lean townie to me if anything. I've never found claiming vanilla to be a compelling reason to lynch someone, especially since scum have big incentives to never claim vanilla
Yeah I've said I read that2user town several times and do not want to lynch him right now. I just listed him as an option because he full claimed.
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@Speedrace
I agree - I'm down to lynch GP but don't mind hearing from MisterChris first. FWIW the post of his I didn't love from last day phase was him sticking up for Barney being inactive. Seemed kind of unnecessary for town to do (he could have just noted that to himself or brought it up if there was heavy pressure on Barney) and a way to build rapport/cred as scum. But it's not something I feel particularly strongly about at this time.
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@PREZ-HILTON
If we don't lynch GP the options are to lynch that2user (claimed vanilla), lynch Earth (claimed doctor), or vote someone else for a claim. One of the reasons I'm down to lynch GP is that we're going to worry about him all game if we don't. It's almost best to just get him out of the way, especially since he isn't posting anything to help town.
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@Earth
My justification is that I am known recently for my fan base that crowdfunded hospitals.
I buy this. Who do you want to vote for?
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@Earth
True but doctor is one of the most important PRs and I expressed willingness to pressure MisterChris instead (so did Speed iirc). Role justification?
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@Earth
Why would you claim Doctor with only 2 votes? Shoulda waited for at least 3 IMO. What's the justification for your role?
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I also think Greyparrot rolls godfather if he's mafia,
Interesting, but if he investigates innocent and has a mafia power role I'd expect him to be more bold in his game play rather than making random posts that don't contribute anything.
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@badger
Voting the doctor is the towniest thing I can think to do right now.
I was planning on ignoring you all game tbh (since you incorrectly peg me as mafia in 100% of the games we play together and I don't feel like dealing with it atm... if you'll notice I never directly responded to you before lol). But you're one of my strongest town reads despite repeatedly trying to out the PRs for no reason. I completely disagree that outing the doctor would be helpful to town. We don't even know if there is a doctor, and if there is they would be NKd tonight if outed. It gives us zero information to reveal themselves unlike outing a cop or tracker who could at least share results.
Right now I'm leaning toward wanting a claim from Earth or a claim from MisterChris. I'm waiting for both of them to answer my questions before deciding. While I'm not opposed to lynching GP I think it's possible he was investigated innocent and so I'm open to getting another claim, especially from one of those two players.
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Him asking why mafia would target Pie is because he failed his save.
That's an interesting theory, but why say that publicly rather than let him explain that himself? Now if he's scum he's just going to use that excuse (although it would be a bit risky to claim Doctor as scum at this point).
g2g for now
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@MisterChris
12 players, 8 divisions. It makes the most sense for players to be mostly evenly distributed. 1-2 players for each division would be more than enough. The only division that was missing players entirely was AFC West. If I had to guess, I'd say scum is all from AFC West and they have been sprinkled throughout the other divisions through fake claims. I could be wrong here, but that wouldn't refute the fact that the divisions that are overpacked are most likely to contain scum.
Like I said, the divisions that have more people are mathematically more likely to have scum among them. But I don't think division has anything to do with theme and so I don't want to use that logic. All theme guesses put forth so far have been wrong.
What is the link between the Texans and Bears? None that I can think of. I don't think the mod sat there and tried to make sure there was a team from each division included. I think it's more likely he had a theme in mind and then put the game together based on teams that fit certain descriptions. Sussing someone based on what division they're in seems futile at this point in time. Also I know I'm town, we know oromagi was town, and so if your logic is correct it comes down to that2user being scum. I can't see why scum would have come out swinging on DP2 and role claiming for no reason rather than lying low for a minute. I don't think I'm willing to lynch that2user at this point. Would you rather pressure Earth, someone else or lynch GP and why?
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A possible explanation for Earth taking a hard stance against lynching GP is that he knows GP is town, and therefore he thinks refusing to vote for him might give him some town cred if GP flips town. I can't see a townie being so sure about Greyparrot's affiliation at this pointin the game. Wylted is confident GP is town, but Wylted's play style is aggressive and for now I read him/Barney town.
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@Greyparrot
@Speedrace
@That2User
If Greyparrot is town and we mislynch him today + mafia successfully kills tonight, then even if the mafia team has 3 players they'd be 3/9 living players tomorrow -- two off from a majority (and they might only have two players with one TP).
I'm thinking it's worth lynching GP at this point just because our options aside from that are (1) lynch that2user, (2) rally enough pressure for someone else to claim, possibly outing a power role and then (3) having to lynch between GP, that2user and the new person/s with mafia having more info. We might wind up lynching between that2user and GP anyway.
I don't have a scum read on that2user atm despite him claiming vanilla for no reason. I'd like to know why he did that as in his logic on how that would help the game at that point in time.
If I had to vote someone else for a claim it would either be Earth or MisterChris. @Speed you mentioned being a little sus of Earth as well. MC is kinda null but one thing he posted last DP did rub me the wrong way. Do you think it's worth pressuring Earth or MC instead of just lynching GP right now?
Same question @ all players. One of the reasons I'm willing to lynch you @GP is because you're not doing anything for town. If you're really the hated townie then your role can't help us so it seems like you'd be trying to help us in some other way and you're not.
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@Earth
I'll try to read the day when I get off work, but I am going to let you know I will need substantial evidence if you want me to lynch GP.
This is why I'm not sold on you being town. Your earlier question asking why the mafia killed Pie was pretty pointless, and now you're asking for "substantial evidence" to lynch Greyparrot. What do you mean by substantial evidence? He claimed hated townie; there's no way for him to prove his role. The only other substantial evidence would be a cop, watcher or tracker report indicating that GP has been investigated guilty or associated with a dead body. Every living player has posted and nobody had any reports to share, so why even bother making this comment about needing "substantial evidence" when obviously there is none? It seems like you're making fluff posts that are not substantive at all. Can you explain why you're unwilling to lynch Greyparrot knowing there won't be "substantial evidence" against him this day phase?
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Do we really have absolutely no reports this DP?
There are likely reports not worth reporting. For example if a cop investigated someone innocent or a watcher did not see anyone visit, there would be no reason to announce that right now and out their roles. Only if one of them or their target were under threat of being lynched would it be appropriate to reveal a report.
Given that all living players have posted I guess we can assume there are no reports worth sharing. Let's please stop trying to out the power roles for no reason. Can someone post the list of all the claims we have so far? I would do it but I have to sign off for now and honestly am a little too lazy atm but would like to see it.
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@MisterChris
We need to head a new direction, keeping in mind that scum are likely hiding in NFC West and AFC South.
Why do you think this? Because there are 3 claims from the division?
SirAnon, That2, and Earth are by far our strongest targets this DP. All except Earth are part of the 3 player divisions (AFC South and NFC West) which likely contain a scum in each. Oro's loss means the scum in AFC South is either Danielle or That2. That2 is the strongest scum candidate of the two. Further, the presence of any additional vanillas would cause me to seriously question That2's claim, especially since the balance is already in question with just 2 confirmed and 1 claimed.
It seems based on statistical chance alone there would be higher chance of scum among us, but other than the mathematical probability I don't think the division has anything to do with theme split as far as I can tell right now. The two town vanilla justifications seem pretty different. On one hand Texans = vanilla because they are new and haven't won anything; on the other hand the Bears = vanilla despite being one of the most storied franchises in the NFL with two Superbowl appearances and one win.
I could see that2user's claim being legit vanilla based on all the teams in the AFC South being relatively vanilla, although it was anti town for him to claim that off the bat. He seemed a bit eager to go for obvious targets at the start of the day phase. I feel like scum wouldn't be so obvious and would try to let town take the lead at the start of DP2.
Still not sold on Greyparrot being town. Going after Barney seemed like a novice scum move given the OMGUS with Pie, unless it was a novice town move given the OMGUS with Pie lol. As noted I think Barney (Wylted) is likely town for aforementioned reasons. Greyparrot hasn't posted much regarding his reads and seems to be wanting to lay low and hope/wait for attention to be drawn elsewhere now that he's already claimed.
I agree with most of badger's posts, though I am not as sold as he is about Earth being town. I'm null on whiteflame, SirAnon and MisterChris.
Speed - null for now but very skeptical of him. Like I said last DP I could see Speed as scum swooping in later on in the game after laying low and being like "Hey guys I'm here, sorry I was busy before but anyways here's what we're gonna do" and then town just letting him lead their demise. He seemed interested in playing, saying he was gonna get on a laptop last DP or whatever but then hasn't posted much. He's also not really taking a position on anyone or anything so far other than potentially MC's activity level.
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We only know of two town vanillas and an alleged hated townie. Nobody should be stating whether they have a role for really obvious reasons, unless it's to reveal some useful information or they get pressured with votes.
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I was thinking last DP that if Barney was mafia, he would have voted oro. His voting down Greyparrot till the end felt like townie stubbornness.
I pretty much agree with this. It wouldn't make sense for scum to target GP so aggressively if they know GP is the hated townie, because they could hammer him easier later on (plus people would be sus of GP all game). I'm willing to operate under the assumption that Wylted is town for now.
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I agree with Wylted that immediately going after Barney is lazy, but so is immediately voting whiteflame for death.
I don't agree that WF is sus for questioning Parrot's decision to withhold his role when (from my experience) GP never witholds, regardless of how detrimental it is for him to reveal it. That uncharacteristic behavior coupled with the weird character claim affiliation made whiteflame's pressure on him seem warranted, and WF didn't push it too much. It was Barney going after GP and Pie.
That isn't to say whiteflame shouldn't be pressured btw - he's certainly able to come up with long winded BS posts as scum that make him hard to read. But without results pointing us in another direction I'd rather pressure someone else based on a behavioral read. Right now I'm learning toward voting for Earth but will wait for everyone to check in.
I don't think any of the theme guesses from DP1 were accurate btw.
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Why did mafia kill Pie?
Weird question. Do you expect someone from the scum team to explicitly answer this for you? They killed Pie because either (1) they are trying to frame Barney based on their OMGUS exchange; (2a) they assumed Pie had a power role and/or would be a good player to take out based on being among the most aggressive and active players DP1; (2b) Barney is scum and they assumed Pie might target Barney.
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There's less than 24 hours in the DP, so we need to move forward with claims. Barney and oromagi have the most votes right now with 2 each. Can the people voting for others or not voting at all either cast a vote for oro/Barney instead? If you prefer not to, vote for someone else and explain why that person over the others. We need to get the game moving.
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Since it needs to be bolded, Town are teams that made it to the Superbowl, but lost.
No it isn't.
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At this point I'm fine getting a claim from oromagi, Barney, Speedrace or whiteflame in that order.
Oromagi was slow to be active (which is fine) but has since only focused on documenting claims and posting about his theme analysis. He has no idea whether his theme guess is correct, and I really suspect it isn't, so to focus solely on that and nothing else seems like a waste of time and way to look active without really contributing anything. He hasn't even told us what his theme guess is nor used it to pressure anyone. Even if we presume it has something to do with Superbowl wins and losses which he made a post about, he failed to explain how he can guess which team we are based on that theme. For instance he guessed I was the Jaguars or Titans... why? His posts are just rubbing me the wrong way and I'd like a claim from him ASAP, so I'm probs gonna vote for him.
Barney seems a bit defensive vs. Pie, though to be fair I'd react that way too if someone accused me of being online when I wasn't. I dunno who he is though or if he's always online or what. It does seem a little sus he is harping on Greyparrot whom I still have no town read on by the way. GP could be an easy target. Even if Barney is town though he seems like a fair person to pressure for a claim at the moment.
Speedrace and whiteflame are just unfortunately very hard to read and it couldn't hurt to get a claim from them early on, especially given Speedrace's little activity on DP1. I could see him swooping in on DP2 as scum and being like "Hey guys I'm here - now let me just take over the game now that I'm around" but unless we're going for role claims right off the bat (and I don't think we are), it could be useless to pressure these two since scum has a pool of fake character claims. With about ~26 hours left in the DP I'd say let's get a full claim from oromagi, Barney or both for now. VTL oromagi.
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