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Expires at 1450 UTC. That said some servers provide a grace period after domain expires
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The https certificate is not the same as the domain registration. Per the ICANN lookup:
- Registry Expiration: 2025-07-16 14:50:21 UTC
- Updated: 2024-07-18 11:03:50 UTC
- Created: 2018-07-16 14:50:21 UTC
This tells us when the domain was created, when it was last updated, and when the domain registration will expire.
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Date: 7/8/2025
Moderators: David and Whiteflame.
zedvictor4 has been banned for 3 days for posting inappropriate references to sexual acts.
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@Castin
Nope. Radio silence. Last message I got from Mike was 6/11.
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@fauxlaw
I worry this will incentivize voting for the person who is already in the lead rather than voting objectively.
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Notice: Sir.Lancelot withdrew moderator application
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Reminder: This thread is for voting only. No further discussions.
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Hello everyone,
The discussion period has ended. It is time to vote. For those unfamiliar with the MEEP process:
Moderation may submit questions and proposals regarding moderation policy, voting policy, and the code of conduct to Moderation Engagement and Enactment Processes (MEEPs). MEEPs are binding referenda and comment periods on the questions and proposals submitted. Moderation has full discretion on which questions and proposals are submitted to MEEPs, though no substantive change to the COC may be made without either the consent of the site owner(s) or ratification via a MEEP. In order for a submitted question or proposal to be ratified, at least 10 users must have voted in the MEEP, and more than a majority of all those voting must have voted for the question or proposal. That means, in practice, that in a MEEP with 10 total voters, the minimum threshold for a binding result is 7 votes in favor of the proposal or question. MEEPs must be open for voting for at least 48 hours, and may be extended (at the mod's discretion) by no more than 12 hours. To be eligible to vote in a MEEP, the voter must be a user on DART, must have an account that is more than 24 hours old, and must not be banned during the voting window. If a MEEP fails to produce a binding result, moderation will maintain the pre-MEEP status quo, unless doing so is entirely untenable.
Proposition 1: New moderators
Part 1: Should DART bring on new moderators?
A. Yes
B. No
Part 2: If yes, who should those moderators be? You can vote for more than one. If voting for more than one please rank your preferences. Here are the applications we received:
A. AdaptableRatman
B. Sir.Lancelot - Withdrew
C. Mikal
D. Savant
E. Lemming
F. Swagnarok
All moderators are subject to a 30-day trial period before being given full moderator powers.
Note: If I missed anyone please DM me.
Proposition 2: Should the website be rebranded to a different domain name
A. Yes
B. No
If yes wins there will be a separate MEEPs and discussion on what that new name will be. As of now we have only 13 days left until the website domain expires. The last message I received from Mike was on 6//11/2025. We are working on creating a backup community in the event that the website is shut down. Please standby for additional announcements.
Proposition 3: Updating the COC
Should the COC prohibit the use of racial slurs?
1. Use of racial slursCurrently the code of conduct is quite clear on hateful conduct, but there is no guidance in the COC on the use of slurs. Here is the current COC on hateful conduct:
- You may not use hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in your username or avatar.
You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited. Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions.If a user has hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in their username or avatar, moderation will:a) FIRST, request the hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in the username or avatar be removed and instruct the user on how to do so.b) IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again introduces hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in their username or avatar at some later date unapologetically, moderation shall issue a 14 day ban and then repeat A.c) IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 14 day ban, moderation will issue a 60 day ban and then repeat A.d) ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=4(x2)y=4(x2)where "y" equals ban time in months and "x" equals the number of infractions after C.If a user promotes violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures) or advocates in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, moderation will:a) FIRST, issue a 90 day ban and request the user cease & desist such behavior.b) IF the user again promotes violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures) or advocates in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, said user will receive a permanent ban from the site.If a user’s content includes unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall:a) FIRST, request the user cease & desist such behavior.b) IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again unapologetically engages in unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall issue a 30 day ban and repeat A.c) IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 30 day ban, moderation shall issue a 90 day ban and then repeat A.d) ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=6(x2)y=6(x2)where "y" equals ban time in months and "x" equals the number of infractions after C.Proposed language:The use of racial slurs or slurs against any other protected group of any type is not allowed. If a user uses any type of slur, the moderation team will:
- Edit the post and remove the slurs
- Send a warning to the user
If a user continues to use a slur the ban will include a 30 day site ban. Continuing such conduct will result in a permanent ban.Depending on the severity of the statement the moderation reserves the right to jump to either a 30 day ban immediately or a permanent ban.
A. Yes
B. No
Proposition 4: New features
What new features would you like to see on the new website? Multiple choices are permitted. If selecting multiple options please rank the order of what you want to see most strongly.
A. Opinions
B. Polls
C. Groups / Clubs
D. Articles
E. Podcasts
F. Mafia ELO system
G. Add images / videos
H. Forum signatures
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The discussion period is over and voting will begin soon.
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@Umbrellacorp
Yes. And that's kinda the point of what we are doing. We're trying to breathe new life into this site
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4 more days until voting begins.
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Date: 06/24/2025
Moderators: Joint decision
Lashwnda has been permanently banned for repeat racism, repeated use of racial slurs, vulgarity, and other offenses.
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There is one more thing I want to add to this MEEP: Should debates that are full forfeited on all sides be deleted?
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@21Pilots
we don’t really have a number. It depends on how many people apply and how people vote in the voting meep.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Let's focus on community size.What's the total member rate that this site could handle right now? Think of a range.We don't have enough mods at the moment to handle rapid user growth.
Which is exactly why we want to bring on new mods - to breath new life into the site and be able to handle rapid growth.
One of the biggest things I want to fix is the SEO. Debate art is so hard to find
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@Castin
TikTok is either letting outrageous content pass or banning good content for no reason. I follow so many people on TikTok whose videos are randomly taken down for violations that have nothing to do with the content of the video. Dylan Page recently had every video of his taken down at once and then his account locked, for... drumroll... no reason. And it's a pain in the ass getting it undone, too. A science teacher I follow regularly has his educational vids pulled because a rando makes a complaint that they're anti-religion or something, and easy as that they're gone.
TikTok and twitter represent the exact opposite of my modding philosophies. It’s ridiculous the stuff that TikTok allows and takes down. I’ve seen really solid religious and pro Israel content taken down for no reason.
On twitter foreign disinformation bots run amock without impunity and is a cesspool of hatred and disinformation.
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@Savant
I personally really like lidebate as I am a huge fan of lichess.
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Hello everyone,
It has been a long time since we last had a MEEP (Moderation Engagement and Enactment Processes). There is a lot to discuss. For those unfamiliar with a MEEP, they are essentially site referendums that the moderation team uses to guide them into making policy.
Moderation may submit questions and proposals regarding moderation policy, voting policy, and the code of conduct to Moderation Engagement and Enactment Processes (MEEPs). MEEPs are binding referenda and comment periods on the questions and proposals submitted. Moderation has full discretion on which questions and proposals are submitted to MEEPs, though no substantive change to the COC may be made without either the consent of the site owner(s) or ratification via a MEEP. In order for a submitted question or proposal to be ratified, at least 10 users must have voted in the MEEP, and more than a majority of all those voting must have voted for the question or proposal. That means, in practice, that in a MEEP with 10 total voters, the minimum threshold for a binding result is 7 votes in favor of the proposal or question. MEEPs must be open for voting for at least 48 hours, and may be extended (at the mod's discretion) by no more than 12 hours. To be eligible to vote in a MEEP, the voter must be a user on DART, must have an account that is more than 24 hours old, and must not be banned during the voting window. If a MEEP fails to produce a binding result, moderation will maintain the pre-MEEP status quo, unless doing so is entirely untenable.
There is a lot to discuss, so let's buckle in.
Proposition 1: New moderators
The moderation team has decided to add new moderators to the team. We have decided to do a combination of nominations and applications. To be eligible to become a moderator a member must:
1. Have been a member for at least 6 months
2. No bans in the past year
3. No open restraining orders
4. 2 completed non-forfeited debates
You are allowed to nominate yourself in this thread. If you are interested in becoming a moderator please send me a DM and write the following application:
The Application
1. How long have you been on the site?
2. What are all of the alt accounts you might be known by?
3. How do you think the collaborative process for the moderation team should work?
4. Have you ever been a moderator on another site, discord server, or facebook group?
5. What site rules would you like see changed?
6. Do you have anything else that might make you a particularly good discussion moderator?
Proposition 2: Rebranding the site
As most of you have heard Mike is planning on giving me ownership of the site. We are thinking of doing an entire redesign and a rebrand. Do you think we should rebrand? If so, what names would you suggest?
Proposition 3: Updating the COC
1. Use of racial slurs
Currently the code of conduct is quite clear on hateful conduct, but there is no guidance in the COC on the use of slurs. Here is the current COC on hateful conduct:
- You may not use hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in your username or avatar.
You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited. Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions.If a user has hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in their username or avatar, moderation will:a) FIRST, request the hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in the username or avatar be removed and instruct the user on how to do so.b) IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again introduces hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in their username or avatar at some later date unapologetically, moderation shall issue a 14 day ban and then repeat A.c) IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 14 day ban, moderation will issue a 60 day ban and then repeat A.d) ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=4(x2)y=4(x2)where "y" equals ban time in months and "x" equals the number of infractions after C.If a user promotes violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures) or advocates in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, moderation will:a) FIRST, issue a 90 day ban and request the user cease & desist such behavior.
b) IF the user again promotes violence against any person or persons (barring hyperbole against public figures) or advocates in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, said user will receive a permanent ban from the site.If a user’s content includes unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall:
a) FIRST, request the user cease & desist such behavior.
b) IF adequate time passes and A is ignored by the user, OR IF the user complied initially after A but again unapologetically engages in unwarranted (or excessively toxic) systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, moderation shall issue a 30 day ban and repeat A.
c) IF the user continues to defy moderation after the 30 day ban, moderation shall issue a 90 day ban and then repeat A.
d) ALL additional infractions after C shall be met with bans according the formula y=6(x2)y=6(x2)where "y" equals ban time in months and "x" equals the number of infractions after C.
Proposed language:
The use of racial slurs or slurs against any other protected group of any type is not allowed. If a user uses any type of slur, the moderation team will:
- Edit the post and remove the slurs
- Send a warning to the user
If a user continues to use a slur the ban will include a 30 day site ban. Continuing such conduct will result in a permanent ban.
Depending on the severity of the statement the moderation reserves the right to jump to either a 30 day ban immediately or a permanent ban.
2. Other COC overhaul
What other information do you want changed? How can the moderation team improve the COC and improve enforcement of COC?
Proposition 4: New features
What new features would you like to have added to the website?
Proposition 5: Open discussion
Users may use this forum space to request anything that is not listed here.
The discussion period will be open for 2 weeks.
Best,
David
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@Savant
Still up in the air. He said he’d give me the website and I asked for the code. As of now I haven’t heard back from him in the past few days
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@Mharman
We are working on a redesign and an overhaul of the website
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@Mharman
Thank you for your feedback! I will note this to the dev team.
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@Owen_T
Right now my primary focus is on getting the website transferred over to me and redesigning the website and adding in new features
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@21Pilots
That's something we will be working on - fixing all the bugs. There's quite a bit of features that are not working properly
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@WyIted
This is going to be the purpose of groups. My vision for groups is that admins can create their own moderation policies within reason and create their own mini forum.
Groups will also have the ability to create team debates and challenge other groups
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@vi_777
Thanks. That’s a known issue I’m truing to fix as well.
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Hello friends,
I spoke with Mike earlier today. The debateart domain will be renewed and the site will continue. Mike stated he will hand over the site ownership to me.
We created a development team and are working to breath new life to the site. Here are the features we are working on
- A complete redesign
- Adding groups
- Creating a blog / articles section
- Creating a debate podcast to discuss the Lincoln Douglas and policy debate topics
- Creating automated tournaments that can randomly assign a topic and a side, along with other features
- Possibly rebranding the site completely
- Adding in live debates
If you have any features you want to see please let us know. If you have a knack for coding or web design and want to join the development team please DM me.
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Date: 6/6/2025
Moderators: David, whiteflame, and Barney
Death23’s permanent ban has been lifted after appeal.
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@Mharman
Why not close it the second you publish it?
You can start a discussion thread about it if you want. Tbh this thread wasn’t even needed cause it was announced
I'm ok with discussion on the decision. I just don't want this to devolve into personal attacks and insults. I opened the thread because I knew there would want to be some discussion on it.
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1) Removing email address
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Hello DART,
By unanimous decision among the moderation staff, we have decided to end AdaptableRatman's time as a trial mod. As of this posting, he will no longer act with any of the authority of moderation. The decision to induct AR as a trial member of the moderation team was one that we made with the aim of increasing the activity and investment in the site as a whole. It's no secret that many of us have had our disagreements with AR, both on this account and on previous accounts of his. His return to the site and a shift in the focus of his posts led us to believe that this was an opportunity for his fervor for the site to be used for the benefit of the site.
After roughly 72 hours we have decided that we will not continue with having AR as a moderator. We appreciate his dedication to the site, but it is apparent that we share fundamentally different views on how the website should run and how the moderation team should work together.
This thread will be closed shortly after this is posted. Members can discuss this decision elsewhere in the forums.
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@Mharman
I thought he moved to Finland or Norway. I wonder if he got deported back to Russia. DART's registration is registered in Russia
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Date: 6/1/2025
Moderator: AdaptableRatman
jonrohith has lost their voting privileges for repeated votebombs.
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@Mharman
DebateArenaDebateOnlineFuck itDebate.comFull circle
Debate.com is available put per godaddy is 500,000. I don’t have that kind of money and I doubt anyone would want to shell out 500k just for a domain name
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@Savant
Hoping we can avoid that with the newer site by not relying on one owner. Gonna give multiple people access to the code. If you are willing to devote an hour or two to learning Node.js, plz join us. I can send you the discord link.
This is exactly what we will be doing to ensure continuity.
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@fauxlaw
Interesting. Can you send me a screenshot of what is happening?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I repeat: Do not let it become the personal project of a single (unpaid) volunteer. That kind of thing destroys friendships. It's thousands of man hours of work.
Very true. And this is what I’m afraid of happening as I have no programming experience whatsoever and don’t have $15k to put down on a new website. We do have some volunteer programmers already and we should have v 1.0 ready soon.
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@fauxlaw
The site will be created from scratch so most of the content would be wiped clean and would have to start a new.
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@Swagnarok
I’ve tried messaging the owner on here. Unfortunately I could find him on telegram either. I am not sure the exact cost. My current plan is to buy a new domain and get the new community started and live before 7:15 (when the domain expires). Once the domain is up for sale I’ll buy the debateart name and point it to the new site.
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@n8nrgim
Unless the domain is somehow renewed then yes. I want to try and preserve as much of it as possible.
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