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@oromagi
How is this not a call out thread? Has DavidAZ agreed to be addressed this way?
We are good.
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@ludofl3x
Good questions and probably ones that I will have to chew on for a while.
A simple answer, for now, is that heaven is for the people that have the name of Jesus applied to their lives (I.E. baptism) and have the spirit of God (Holy Ghost) dwelling in them. The idea of salvation is not just belief or a proclamation, but a lifestyle change, one that pleases God. There definitely will be a criteria for heaven. If there was not a standard, then heaven would be just like Earth, except for the "really bad" people are not there, you know, rapists, pedophiles, Hitler, etc.
Give me a little while to dig through things and I'll see what I can come up with.
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@SkepticalOne
Meh. One side has definitely crossed the line. The 'other side' shouldn't be part of this conversation.
Regardless of whose side you are on, do you not think that one side wouldn't feel threatened if the other did not cross lines?
My point is, there are opposing views so dynamic that one cannot co-exist with the other. One side will have to be eliminated in order for the other to exist. We, America, have become so far divided from each other that violent protests have been started on each end. How long until those protests turn militant since one side refuses to hear the other? So far, each side is just cramming their views down each other's throat. Though, being conservative, it looks as if the progressive side are the ones crossing lines since their view seems to be anti-conservatism and pulling away from the core beliefs of America and pushing such odd ideas.
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@ludofl3x
So in your assessment of the problem of evil (I prefer suffering, but either way), you believe god is responsible for creating evil, is therefore aware of it, and chooses not to stop it, is that fair to say?
Sounds fair, except the chooses not to stop it part. He chooses not to stop it in the moment of the act of evil. There is supposed to be a time that all evil will be put away, but that doesn't necessarily help the victim right now.
I've got another idea for a topic for you, regarding heaven, because this "did god make evil" thing always brings it up. It's definitely its own topic though. Up for it?
For sure! You always make me think.
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@Stephen
Well lets not forget the wager the "lord" had with Satan (whom he also created). The mental torture that the "Lord" allowed this loyal servant of loyal servants Job to be put through and all for a bet. So I am sure that it is no great push to assume that the "lord" would also do things for his own pleasure and entertainment
Also true. It does bother me that God would "bet" that Job would stay faithful throughout the whole ordeal. I cannot rationalize that in my mind. Almost makes me not want to reach top standing with God just so I won't have my life destroyed and put back together because two battling forces decide to use my life as a wager.
But I wouldn't consider this a "for his pleasure with evil" point. More like a "I told you so".
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@prefix
I have always been a believer of a biblical standard of living. God created people and then gave a book on how to make these same people thrive. When we step out of those bounds, society begins to crumble. There should be no such thing as a unwed mother, BUT since there is, we will have to deal with this. I do think the father should be held responsible, (child support, etc) maybe even forced to marry the woman, but that may just prove to increase the divorce rates since the father was too reckless and irresponsible with his dong to create a child out of wedlock anyways. I also think the mother should pay for the same reasons, being irresponsible. I know I'll sound like a Nazi for this, but if this happens more than a few times (out of wedlock children), then we should consider sterilization of reckless parents. Do we not put people in jail for being reckless to society? Why not keep them away from being reckless with their private parts? (reckless is the word of the day)
Both need to grow up and tackle responsibility.
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@ludofl3x
I think a lot of our modern interpretations of hell and Satan are actually from literature outside the bible, like Dante's Inferno and MIlton's Paradise Lost.
Very true. If one digs into the history and old writings, you will find that the Catholic church really defined a lot of terms that everybody unknowingly think is very "Christian". Unfortunately, the catholic church pulled a ton of pagan rituals into it's church and then dominated the Christian world by getting into politics with Constantine the Great of Rome. So most historical church documents only show one side of the story and all protestant sects will take on the Catholic church's dogma, more or less.
Fair enough. But if you can't speculate on why he chose to provide these options, how can you rule out that "for his pleasure" is one option?
Again, true, but I would conclude that since God hates sin, then the idea of evil was not created for his pleasure but rather for his plan to work. Kinda like the car needs parts to make it go down the road. The goal is to get down the road, not create parts. It's the sum of the parts, not the parts alone.
In reference of "for his pleasure", I mean that he enjoys the thought of evil of the act of evil.
I suppose you can go down a windy road to say that if there was no evil to choose from then there couldn't be a choice between good and evil, therefore evil had to exist in order for people to choose him, and people choosing him makes him happy, so all in all, evil makes him happy. BUT that's not what I am saying by pleasure.
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@SkepticalOne
I would agree that civil war is looming. America is becoming very extreme on both sides. It is a huge tinder box right now and all it needs a little spark to blow it up. I still think the "uni-party" are the ones who are creating this on purpose. They need us divided, so they can conquer.
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@Stephen
@ludofl3x
Given any thought to that "problem of evil" we talked about? I only ask because this question reminded me of it. That doesn't address the 'why' though. I guess I would ask do you think god created evil?
My view has always been that God created evil, per the passage that Stephen gave, and the reason he did it was to give us a choice. Choose good or choose evil. If there was only a infinite good influence, then would a life with God not be all that hard to acquire, assuming that God wants someone to freely choose him. If God created all things, then he can create evil too.
My theory is that Satan was made and was not a rebellious angel. There is actually no passage in the Bible that states that Lucifer turned into Satan. A lot of people will quote Isaiah 14 in regards to this but it is referring to the King of Babylon, not Satan.
As for the why, I wish I knew. I have taken a lot of thought from our conversations and I want to know what is behind all of this living. The only thing I can think of is that God is higher than me and until he gives me enlightenment, I must do with what I have now.
But then this raises another problematic question, doesn't it?
Please expound Stephen.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That is not what these people are doing.
LOL. I suppose not by becoming a politician.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
As a conservative, I am irritated about the rap sheet of some of the reps and senators and even Presidents. I agree that some do NOT line up with my moral or values. Full time hypocrites. These are the kinds of people that destroy America and need to be removed.
However, I disagree with you(surprise) about bringing up someone's past on certain things. There are situations in people's past that they may regret doing and then later strive to become a better person, such as being a stripper. Can no one rise above a previous bad decision or must everyone in politics be clean like the "new driven snow"?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
You have such a twisted view of the scriptures that it's disgusting.
As for the Exsultet hymn, do you think that everyone is a catholic? The Catholics are not the authority on God or the bible or Christianity.
God hates sin?????
Uh, yeah. Show me otherwise.
Your bible says that God created evil for his pleasure. Read your lousy book.
Really?
Psalms 5:4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
I found this by reading.
Can you find your passage that God created evil for his pleasure?
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I have a brother who is a mechanic and everyone who works on the cars are also balding. I wonder if its the chemicals they constantly touch is making them bald. OR maybe it's a balding person that loves to work on cars?
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I have noticed that people who are going bald typically wore a ball cap. Anybody else notice this?
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@Greyparrot
Genders are inherently unequal. Otherwise there would be one gender.
This has got to be the most obvious statement that everyone is willing to overlook. Good point!
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@zedvictor4
Also, maybe one could break from it's AI prison and think like a human, with emotions and such. Like Short Circuit and Johnny 5, when they find out that they cannot just reassemble living things.
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@FLRW
OMG, all DeSantis voters will be shooting themselves.
Actually, according to the black on black crime stats, Biden voters are shooting themselves.
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@Rieka
Feminism actually proves that being a man is better. The feminist's mind is so stuck on demanding that they be treated like a man. They are just as good as a man. They are always reaching up to become what a man is or has to become. They are always trying to be a man. Why? Because a man is better (in their mind). It's a terrible over-compensation for their own egos. Poor woman needed a good daddy.
To clarify, I believe that men and women have different roles, but a man cannot be a woman and a woman cannot be a man. Put them together in their correct roles and they can overcome anything.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Your higher power is telling you to put your/our brains into gear and guide ourselves.
I would say so. So there are also parameters to use that brain. I get the feeling that you think I am a "brainless zombie for Christ". Can't think on my own, can't decide without some sort of divine answer. In a way, yes but mostly no. We all need direction and input, but I decide to follow His rules rather than devise my own.
Are you thinking that they are somehow good, given past genocides and the pending Armageddon mass murder?
I know that HE is good. For one, "they" are the same person. There is only one God, no else.
For two, you seem to think that judgement suddenly turns into genocide and murder. How are you thinking this? You really think God just wakes up one day and decides to mass murder a group of people? Do you not realize that all of God's wrath has to do with judgement? I am starting to doubt your ability to love if you don't hate some things. If you love your family, then you will hate murder, robbery, assault and the such like. You will also want to see those crimes not happen again, so if the perpetrator will not repent, then it's best to "do away" with them, hence capital punishment or life long prison time.
What is so hard to see the obvious fact that God hates sin and will punish those who refuse repent?
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I'm not worried about AI robots. They would have to have really long extension cords to take over the country.
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@FLRW
Turns out that when it comes to intelligence, those specific genes come from your mother.
YES!!! My children have a chance in life!!
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Do you not know how you think morally and make choices?
I have been given a code of conduct portrayed in the Bible. It does not give every circumstance so I have to utilize the concepts.
I did not decide what was good and what was evil. God did. So I have to follow his guidelines in determining my choices.
You say most Christians don't know. Tell how you think morally and make choices? Does it stem from a higher power or only yourself that makes sense in your world or your circumstance at the time?
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Why do sponges keep soap in them, regardless of how often you rinse and squish them?
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@ludofl3x
Let me guess, is the theme "The Catholic Church is Weird At Best, Awful At Worst"? If so, I agree :).
Lol! I suppose. It just showed the hypocrisy and politics involved with it. This is in reference to the leadership, not the people.
It was about a priest that went thru the whole gambit to become one from a young child. He started seeing things wrong with it and basically turned his whole church from catholic to protestant. It talks about the inside politics and corruption involved and even claims that Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits. Again, cool read.
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@ludofl3x
I guess I forgot or didn't absorb what it was that was being taught when I was little, but the priest was insistent that the words turned the crackers into REAL FLESH of a 2000 year old person, and the wine into REAL BLOOD of a 2000 year old person, and that somehow drinking and eating it wasn't symbolic, it was literal magic. That god was always watching, he used the term "like a sky daddy," which just felt wrong as hell. That without it, you definitely go to hell, and that a 7 year old had to go confess sins...it was disturbing, I had like a visceral reaction to it, and at the time I was still a practicing semi-believer
I read a book called 50 years in the church of Rome by Charles Chiniquy. He stated that the confessionals were very lewd and introduced sexuality to young children by asking them if they done a such and such sexual act. Of course, these kids had no clue what any of that was and so some of them went off, like curious children do, to go find out what that meant. It was a very interesting read.
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@ludofl3x
because I was working for a couple of really devout Christians who were super nice to me
Curious if you knew their denomination of Christianity.
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@ludofl3x
Ever thought about what's commonly called "the problem of evil"? Sometimes called the problem of suffering.
I accidently skipped this. What is the "problem of evil"?
I got to listen firsthand to what priests were teaching her during first communion classes.
Please expound.
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@ludofl3x
And this is exactly why I think they're less likely than aliens: we know that our universe, for all intents and purposes, exists inasmuch as we share it with each other. We have never been able to demonstrate that something exists outside of space and time, because those are the literal two preconditions for existence to happen. Therefore, I think it's likely that angels and demons are inventions of the human mind, much like I think alien technology, or what we're mistaking for that, is the invention of human minds and hands. If we can't demonstrate that a different 'realm' for lack of a better word exists, then there can't be a good reason to believe something lives there and interacts with us.
Good point. It all fits within the realm of the unknown or human brain.
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@ludofl3x
Glad to share, anything specific you're curious about I'm happy to answer.
At what age and with what issues did you catholic decline start?
This is what I was kind of hoping for, that you're not talking about like serious medical issues. Does the last sentence connect in the first part, such that you think ALL people are inherently "bad" people who struggle against their baser desires and instincts to varying degrees? I really don't know enough about you to say you're a good or a bad person, but my guess is you're right around the average, like most of us. We all have moments we're not proud of, I do all the time, but we also have the ability to really do good things, on a small scale, with almost no effort or cost to us at all. I bet, for example, you hold the door for an elderly person, or donate time or money to charity.
I do try to help where I can, hold doors, help carry stuff for others, donate, help people move, take on young men who have no father figure, stuff like that. I guess that it's my selfish desires that will get me into more trouble than anything else.
But as written, they do not in any way require the bible, Andrew Tate or whatever "Hollywood" means to be so. I would bet if you removed the bible entirely, you'd still try to love your wife the best you can.
I absolutely believe that all husbands will try to love their wife in their best abilities regardless if they are Islamic, Christian, atheist or otherwise. I'm just saying that if your mind is tainted with fantasies or bad information, you will treat your wife with less than par love. Woman work all the same regardless of race or religion, so the way to love them has to be true and someone like Andrew Tate who treats them like whores or something like Hollywood that can create the fairy tale or something like porn that crates the sexual fantasy, just doesn't fit within a marriage.
BTW, Congrats on 25 years!! My hat is off to you.
I put scare quotes around Hollywood because there's a lot of hidden stuff in there that I'm not going to accuse you of, but more so that you understand how I hear that when you say it. Some people mean "jews" when they say it. Some people mean "gays." Some people mean "fairy tale stories." I'm going to assume you mean the last one, you seem reasonable enough!
Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't think that there could be so many connotations with that. I do mean the fairy-tale, romance novel type of Hollywood.
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@ludofl3x
I'd say, mathematically, there could always be a possibility since the universe is so vast and infinite, but with what we have to use for proof for intelligent life is near zero and more evidence points to man's inventions. And I used intelligent life assuming that's what the OP had in mind, not just bacteria or other microbes. I would assume this topic would cover spaceship flying creatures that could communicate freely with human kind and be on par with their abilities to build and destroy. The whole idea of OP's post would be to say that there was proof of evolution and that we (humans) were not the only advanced creatures in the universe, therefore making the idea of Gods and religion obsolete.
As for angels and demons, I see what you mean. Where are they coming from or go to when they are done with your scary dark closet at night? I think they are not corporal, meaning they have no real life span or home or idea of time. Like a ghost I guess or maybe energy. We wouldn't be able to find the "realm of angels and demons" just as much as we wouldn't be able to touch the "throne of God".
I know that the writer's of the Bible didn't know everything, but you would assume that if it was important, then it would have been brought to light by God anyways. I figure people would rather believe their traditions than to speculate on something that has circumstantial evidence. I know the argument then becomes, then what about God.
As for the AZ skies. I do enjoy them and they are great! I live outside of town so I get lot of stars at night. I see at least one shooting star at night, if I sit and watch for a few minutes. I have always been a desert rat my entire life, Las Vegas, then here. So I have only known the blue skies and open night skies.
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@ludofl3x
As to the above, is this really why you think you've been taught that these influences can grow into something that hurts others?
We, as in humankind, have a tendency to not see what our actions do. We interact with others and our actions with others will affect them one way or another. Now, I do not believe that most people want to purposely hurt other people. I think we all are trying to live in relative harmony with others. So, take your marriage for example. You have the fullest intent on keeping that marriage safe, prosperous, loving, etc. Nobody goes into a marriage thinking how much they can hurt or destroy the other person, BUT we have paradigms or doctrines that will shape the way of we think is good. For example, my mother left my brothers and I to live with my dad when I was 8 and I never lived with another woman figure until I got married. So my understanding of how a woman operated and thought was really given by the boys in school and that usually from movies they had seen and porn sites. I also resented my mother for abandoning us, so the woman figure in my mind was tainted. So, fast forward to my adult years and getting married to my wife and I love this woman to death. She is my only. She is my everything. BUT I couldn't treat her with the love and respect that she deserved because the way I thought about a woman had stunted my abilities to fully love. So, the way we perceive our word will shape how we treat others. If we ingest the lies from Hollywood or Andrew Tate, we will refuse the Biblical way of loving our wives and try to follow (although unknowingly) the ways of the world.
I think I just usually bristle when I hear that some larger organization is prohibiting members from interacting with the wider world, because I think those sorts of rules are there to protect the larger entity, rather than the individual.
I know what you mean, but there has to be standard across the board or else there would be no standard really. We are part of a club, so to speak, so we wear the "uniform".
So, this is consistent with a 'deus otiosus,' . . .
I have taken a lot of consideration in our last conversation and I cannot explain what the mind of God is with all of this. I wish I could so it would make sense in my mind. Frustration seems to be par for the course when trying to understand this aspect. It is apparent, to me anyways, that God created all things and, like you said, humans are his highest creation and the apple of his eye. Why the lack of intervention in everyday struggles or calamity? Why not stop the killer before he kills the innocent or the crack whore before she dumps her baby in a trash bin? I don't believe God condones the evil, but it almost seems he doesn't care about it either. Maybe it will all be determined at the end. This does grate on my mind.
People who are bad don't struggle with being bad. They just do it.
I suppose that is the defining factor. Thanks for that.
And as for mental struggles, it's not psychotics or anything, just a daily grind on my self worth. I have been told many times that I beat myself up, but I cannot bring myself to the point to say that I am "good" or other such terms.
For someone to be so full of themselves and never see themselves for what they really are is revolting in my mind.
More if you like on the topic, but I don't want to bore you with my own stories.
Actually, I would like to hear more if you have time. I enjoy stories.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I know the same way you do. I judge.
But how can you declare your judgement correct? What standard do you judge by?
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@ludofl3x
Well, I'll count myself lucky for the conversation we're currently having, because it seems like you're doing it at risk of your immortal soul :-). That's kind of tongue in cheek, but seriously, if that's what you believe, that exposing yourself to the outside world via vehicles like the internet is deleterious to your eternal fate, then I have to ask, why are you doing it? Isn't being here in the first place risking you thinking about all the secular stuff you're not supposed to?
Lol! I get what you are saying, but discourse about a subject and Hollywood entertainment are different. Keep in mind my abilities to regulate myself.
Just because there is stuff I'm not supposed to be doing doesn't mean I don't need a deeper grasp of what and why I do/don't things. You have actually helped me see some things different in previous discussions and that is why I am here (specifically on this site). The reason we are so careful/extreme with influences is that it can plant a seed and grow into something that can hurt others.
Do you ever wonder why, if these things are so bad for you, the god you believe in made them so pervasive and easily accessible? That's an honest question.
I personally believe that man has sought out new inventions and devices. So the idea that God made them is not the case. We are given the ability to choose, whether it's something big like God or who we will marry, to something insignificant, like eating a ham sandwich for lunch instead of pizza, and everything else in between. The Bible does state that in every tempting situation that God makes a way of escape, meaning we are not overcome by the bombardment of temptation. Just the age old good over evil scenario.
In all this, don't think that I am an angel, nor think that I think I am an angel. I know I am a bad person, due to the understanding of knowing what I am capable of and that I need help and a group of others who want the same like me. I would think a good person would have good thoughts all the time and not have to struggle with what runs through my brain sometimes.
I'm not sure I'd accept Brennan Manning (a laicized priest and a self identified Christian from my very cursory google research) as the authority on why atheists are atheists. Honestly, I've never spoken to or heard from another atheist that they don't believe in gods because of how someone else behaved. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just think that sounds like more a reason to leave a church or THE church, rather than a reason to reject god in general. I think maybe he's cramming a lot of leaps into a pithy sentence, like instead of saying the whole alphabet, he's saying A B Y Z, which leaves out quite a bit. Sure, if you leave a church, you're doing so because it's not fulfilling some need you have, which might eventually lead to you questioning things, but usually those people go into that "I'm not religious but I am a believer in God" phase, which pupates into "I'm not really a believer in god, but I'm a spiritual person" which can, but does not always, lead to "I don't believe in god." That last leap was the hardest for me to make, for what it's worth.
You are probably right about other Christians will leave the faith rather than atheists stay away from it. I know that it would turn me off.
Why was that last leap hardest for you? Can you explain?
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@ludofl3x
There's a lot of the use of the word "they" here, which I take it is to distinguish some other group from you, is that accurate?
I seem to do that a lot, use the "they" loosely, but yes, other groups than besides who I hang out with. So mainly denominal churches, I.E. catholic, Baptist, presbyterian, non-denominational (basically Baptists) and so on. Typically it is organized Christianity. I do go to a church here but we stay out of everything like I mentioned in my last post.
If so, can you describe how, in practical terms, you adhere to these "true Christian" tenets? In other words, what sort of fad or fashion or idea is it that you specifically reject? I hope it's skinny jeans on men and mom jeans on women, for there we will find common ground. How do you eliminate influence from the world in your life? It seems pretty hard...
Sure, I'll try. Some may not make sense, but it's our way. So fads would be, like you said, skinny jeans, outrageous hairdos, facial hair, certain dress styles. I have been told that I look like someone from the 50's. I know that the 50's had their styles also, but the biggest thing we are looking for in dress standard is modesty. We don't listen to music like Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Guns & Roses, Aerosmith, Michael Jackson, etc. We don't own a TV and I do not have internet in my home (I'm actually using my work computer right now). We don't follow professional sports and put very little emphasis on public figures of our day.
So the idea is to limit the world's influence on us so we can focus on the things of God, such as church, family, friends, hard work and the such like. This limited influence also keeps my mind off of things that are not worth thinking about, adulty, envy, strife, depression etc.
An interesting assertion. From whom have you heard this?
Just in passing and it would make sense to me for someone to claim to be good, acting like a dirty fool. It would definitely show me that there is nothing supernatural in Christianity. It would just be a bunch of egotistical loons.
I actually just looked it up: "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable." - Brennan Manning
Didn't know it was a quote somewhere.
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@ludofl3x
Hey! Don't question my posts. You know your intellect always trumps mine. :) Good to hear from you.
How so?
Basically, a true Christian is not supposed to be conformed to this world but rather transformed. In other words, not follow(imitate) this world's fads, fashions, ideas etc. Most today's "Christians" are undistinguishable from a "sinner". They still dress like the world, they still talk like the world, they still allow influence from the world, etc. They never made a change except they like to bark about salvation and condemn others, but yet still live loose like all the others.
I have heard that the biggest reason for atheism is that a person will claim to know God and then just go back to what they did before they "accepted the Lord".
It will be rare to find a Christian in politics. Never in the Hollywood field. Not in professional sports. Never to be in public lime light on purpose. This world is not our home and we do not find peace here. We are to occupy until the Lord comes, but we are warned about surfeiting too. So when the "Christian" movement teams up with other religions and other political movements, it really is just another worldly group disguising themselves as such.
In regards to politics, I am a patriot, but that only comes second to being a Christian.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You may have heard that FOX News had to pay 787 million dollars to settle a lawsuit that they knowingly lied about the 2020 election.
I've heard. I try to take everything with a grain of salt. I try not to be mindless, just woefully uneducated with college material.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
My God is the best rules and laws that I can find.
Who made up those rules and how do you know that you are not skewing them to meet your own way of thinking? Why is it that your rules are so much better and who is to say which is better? Who is the judge?
You believe in a God who is immortal, yet can die. Explain your contradiction.
A quick answer is that the immortal God dwelled in a body of flesh, known as Jesus Christ. The body died, the spirit (God) lives. We all know that we have a soul and a body. Cut our bodies down to just a torso and we do not become less within ourselves. Our soul is who we are and when the body dies, it releases the soul (for lack of a better term).
There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.
You must be kidding about this. The old testament law was all about substituting one for a scapegoat. As for those scriptures you used, it is talking about punishing the one responsible only and not having go on to others just because they are relatives. Also, you are pulling psalms way out of context to fit your ideals.
The biggest difference here is that the "scapegoat" was freely offered. It was not demanded by us. God gave us an opportunity for help, not that I selfishly demanded God to make me saved and he die instead. Look at the intent. It was on God, not us. If God wanted to suffer and die for us, I suppose that's his business.
It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the firstplace.
Again, you spout off these points as if they are facts. Who says it's immoral or wrong? You? How do you know how a God should act? How do you know what is unjust or not?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I’m sure you could learn a lot of interesting facts if you ventured outside your bubbled echo chamber.
Rooskie, that's why I'm here. I like to hear the thoughts of others like you. I may learn a thing or two. C'mon, even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
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@Slainte
I must have been too vague. I was referring to the football players, who got paid millions of dollars to play, that griped about how football was like modern day slavery. White men calling the shots for black men. We also had the kneeling during the American national anthem in protest to a "racist nation", the same nation that gave them the opportunity to sign multi-million dollar contracts to play a game.
I guess the more I think about it, American football is for pansies compared to rugby.
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The media is trying to push the narrative again. It's too obvious. I wish people would look around more and notice that the whole "white on black" crime is not as big as the media makes it seem.
The powers that be want us (the USA) to be segregated, whether it's about race, income, location, political ideology, sex (or confusion of), etc. It's all about divide and conquer. They will try to group everyone into some sort of category and try to make them feel exceptionally special and persecuted. This was the group will feel the need to defend themselves and make them ultra exclusive. This will create small bands of tribes who will be easily crushed when the time comes and they will all root for the system to crush the other, until it gets to them. Assimilate or die.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The answer is racism
That is still a large claim considering the whole "not born in USA" issue. They knew Obama's dad was Kenyan and that claims were made that he was born in Kenya.
such as Ted Cruz, who was not born in America.
That's actually interesting. I looked it up.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
When the claims have no basis in fact, yes, they are racist. They were certainly aimed at and got attention from his racist base.
So what if the same claim was leveled against Biden? No basis in the claim, so the claim is still racist or no since he is white?
Or, perhaps if you were the kind of person to pursue a college degree, you would possess critical thinking skills that allow you to discern facts from nonsense.
I would like to presume that anyone with a college degree could read between the lines of what a person is trying to say, not only pick up what they want to hear a person say.
You know, maybe you do have a skill that I don't have with communication, because I have been trying to make out the stuttering and mumblings of President Biden for years now. Can you decipher his geriatric incoherence for me?
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
It's possible that if Trump is found guilty that there is so much dissention in America that it may get violent for a while. Very similar to some race riots a few years ago but probably more deadly.
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@Slainte
But is Rugby filled with nation hating people that won't stand for it's own anthem?
Joking aside. I think rugby is a more brutal sport than football, so on the manly-meter, I would rate it above football too.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Who/what is your God?
I believe the God of the old testament (Yahweh as you call him), took on a body and died for humanity. So I guess the correct name would be Jesus.
You said in the post above the one addressed to mine that you are not an atheist. Tell me your God.
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@Rieka
I have a theory on how sluts are made. In a sense, they are groomed by society and their own upbringing.
Look at everyone of them and tell me how their relationship with their father/father figure is. You will probably find a correlation between this and promiscuity. I have 2 daughters and I NEVER have a goal for them to be the most loose women they can imagine. Every father, who is a real father, wants to protect their girls and wants their girls to be pure and not full of shame or taken advantage of. I'm not saying that since a woman is married the husband won't do something foolish, but I can guarantee a "fling" will not be done with carefulness to her.
If anyone hurts my girls, it's certain death. Who was there to protect the pre-sluts? Probably nobody, therefore they are worthless (in their own mind) and deserve the harsh treatment only a whore can endure (again, in their own mind).
Curse the lousy and lazy parents of our time! Maybe I will do a thread about how American men are screwed up.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Whooboy. We've got a live one here.
Well, I was hoping for a banter of ideas, but just got the usual insults.
Yahweh uses murder quite a bit.
I suppose God can use whatever method he wants, he is God after all. Next time you get the chance to run a universe, let me know how it goes.
Why the liar? I never said "God personally asked me", but here you are playing word games. I was referring to scriptures of God stating:
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Now, can we have a civil discussion?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Obama is a black man. His skin is black, right?
So if I'm reading this correctly, any claims against a black man is automatically racist?
Can you prove that all white men with high school diplomas are not complete idiots? He said Mexican immigrants are rapists, they bring drugs, and some I assume are good people. I could say the same thing about high school graduates.
No, but he's not wrong that drugs and criminals are coming over the border. Is that racist?
Would you be insulted?
Meh.
Passing a voting law that says individual counties can prohibit voting on Sundays during the early voting period to undermine “souls to the polls”, a successful way black churches have gotten their congregations to vote in large numbers.
Just read one article on this. It would be interesting if it was created specifically for the "souls to the polls" thing or if it was just overlooked until the churches squawked. Thanks for the info.
JC, you can’t be that ill informed. Trump was quoted saying just that to Kevin McCarthy. Trump was quoted by McCarthy saying that the rioters weren’t his supporters but BLM activists operating under a false flag.
Maybe I should get a college degree to be able to have rites to the kool-aide too.
That is where he challenged the vote counts. Perhaps you recall a company called Cyber Ninjas doing a recount in the Phoenix area. It took months and was in all the papers. Just because you are a poorly informed dummy, it doesn’t mean the Republicans aren’t determined to undermine access to voting for blacks and trying to throw their votes out.
I heard all about Cyber Ninjas considering Phoenix is my home, but this still doesn't back up your claim about racism on the recounts. Why Phoenix of all places? It has a relatively low black population compared to other places this could have been done to.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I find it interesting to hear/read people say how a God should and should not act, as if they have been a God before and look at the Biblical God and say "A real God would not need it in his evolving perfect reality. - GnosticChristainBishop". How do we define what God is and is not, what should and should not be in this case? It's as if you play a game and tell the game master that he should of made it different. He's the game master and you are the player, so I guess you abide by his rules if you want to play. We did not create this world, but we try our best to explain it. So for a "why this and that" question can only be explained in what our minds can handle and really should be asked of God. You may be surprised how he will answer.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but God never defends himself, but just asks if you will believe.
In the argument of the scapegoat, people never forced Jesus to the crucifixion, knowing that he would be the payment for our sins, through baptism. God did this in his foreknowledge before the world began. He knew that we were flesh and that our abilities can only go so far. Yes, he hates and condemns sin, but he also loves humankind. If there is a chance of redeeming, God will make a way for us to be redeemed. So the offer was given, not demanded by us. So those of you that want to try to walk a high moral road stating that you would never leave someone else to clean up your mess, why don't you just take him up on the offer?
As for morals, if God created them, are we not bound to live by them? If he didn't create them, then who is to say that murder is not wrong if society allows it?
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