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Violating the non-aggression / harm principle is largely justified by the greater good. I’m suspicious of people who push for libertarian / anarchocapitalist ideas because of who stands to benefit and who stands to lose when policies are implemented based on those ideas. The poor lose. Blacks lose because they are poor. Working class folk lose because they are poor. The wealthy and the racists both share a common interest. Politics is full of vying groups that believe in nothing. They don’t care about the harm principle. It’s the consequences they care about.
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@HistoryBuff
lol you also said that black people had lower IQs than white people because they are genetically inferior. So you think you are smarter than black people for genetic reasons, but that isn't racist? lol you are such a joke.
Yes, it fits the textbook definition of racism. I think I posted 11 dictionary entries, all of which showed it to be racism. He seems to be suffering from some delusion that it is not racism.
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this OP is inspired by a private PM that I received. The quote involved is as follows:"...learning English isn't a benefit. Not whenever its because if you don't learn English you'll be fucking whipped, second of all, it was a reputation thing in early America, especially near the civil war, as slaves were seen as property and therefore needed to be able to perform, that means they were given enough to eat most times."
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May as well report it
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In response, you and several others have engaged in several personal attacks against me (you calling me a "dick" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5160-pornography-and-the-destruction-it-causes?page=2&post_number=26 ), the crocodile guy calling me a "jackass" and saying "I'm an unprofessional guy" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5160-pornography-and-the-destruction-it-causes?page=2&post_number=28 , and now this BearMan has so eloquently said "piss off motherfucker" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5160-pornography-and-the-destruction-it-causes?page=2&post_number=32 .These are all "off topic personal attacks" (direct words from the TOS), and none of them add to the discussion on whether the OP is good. It is especially concerning when you, as a moderator, are contributing to this.
You take the words from the CoC out of context. The full line is here:
Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions.
It must be "unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives". It's obvious that what you're complaining about didn't rise to that level. This allegation is meritless.
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That billionaires exist isn't the problem. The number of them and the staggering amount of wealth they hold in relation to the rest of the population is symptomatic of national policies being made for the rich rather than for the people.
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Uh the OP is about “racist” and “racism”. Doesnt say anything about “one-liners”. Nice try though.
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Make a case against them. Credibility is so low in online forms often it’s only the evidence that really matters. Post a link with the evidence is all that’s really needed.
And I think you said something about certain acts being racist one of them was drawing attention to the white black IQ gap. The fact that it exists isn’t racist, and It’s not a per se racist thing to do but it is something that racists would probably do so it would tend to raise Suspicions that the person saying it is racist depending on the context. If it’s an academic talking about achievement gaps in an academic context it’s probably not really going to be a racist act but on the other hand if it’s a known racist user on an online forum then yeah it probably is motivated by racial hatred.
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Quick change the subject because you are losing.
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Unfortunately, African Americans are far more likely to be disadvantaged than Whites because there is a large, negative genetic component (i.e. not racism). In essence, African Americans create their own disadvantage, and thus that doesn't need to be controlled for. If we were to control for it, I suspect (but not know) that the racial gap would disappear entirely, because you would be eliminating the undesirable genes (and the expression thereof) that create the gap in the first place. Genetic components such as lower I.Q [1][2], poor delayed gratification propensity [3], presence of the 'warrior gene' [4] etc. create this gene differential between African American and White populations, and thus one group, on average, becomes more "disadvantaged".
Apparently the view here is that it doesn't count as racism if there's no racial hatred - That racial hatred is an essential element for racism. It is not. Racism is a belief, not an emotion.
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Racism is the belief that people of some races are inferior to others, and the behaviour which is the result of this belief.
the belief that some races are better than others, or the unfair treatment of someone because of his or her race
the theory or opinion that a certain race is superior to another or others because of certain inborn characteristics.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement
Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.
the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
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@PressF4Respect
TBH seems more like YYWAh nice to see you again Wylted!
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@bmdrocks21
You're not suggesting that Uncle Ruckus (no relation) lied to us, are you?
Uncle Ruckus would never lie to us. But he may have made an innocent mistake that any reasonable person would have made given the same or similar circumstances.
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@Vader
Calling out a moderator is allowed
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Targeted harassment of any member prohibited [...] Creating threads to call-out specific users qualifies as targeted harassment
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he's a shit-poster who often just posts one-liner hyperlinks.
You have damages. Perhaps you should whine to the mods. Tell them that you were innocently reading the forum, posting your raging incel bigot bullshit when the big bad Death posted a transracial adoption study. Keep saying “whilst” or hurling insults, perhaps if there’s someone as stupid and ignorant as you in the audience they may be convinced by appealing to intellectual snobbery and ad hominem attacks.
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@Crocodile
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Transracial adoption studies show that the alleged IQ genetic inferiority stuff is pretty garbage. See for yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
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@Crocodile
Not specifically but example of some thing that if it’s excessive enough then it’s actionable over the policies I think. Nobody could seriously believe the claims that are being presented, not even OP. The guy doesn’t come across as having any good evidence or any good arguments. It’s just trolling imo.
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@fauxlaw
Biden’s an old man. He may kick the bucket and we’ll get president harris.
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@Intelligence_06
well isn't that interesting. video games are huge time suckers though. they have to be REALLY good for it to be worth it for me. some of the zelda games have been
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@Theweakeredge
ebay used then sell it when youre done with it
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@Sum1hugme
He has no evidence. Could be Wylted trolling from beyond the grave.
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@MgtowDemon
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@MgtowDemon
Your position would seem to be that all 5 of these sources are wrong. You have no evidence. No, they are not wrong. You are.
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@Greyparrot
they do in someways hate crimes have heftier sentences.
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@ILikePie5
Read it again
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@MgtowDemon
You’re polluting the forms with racist propaganda and it’s getting to the point where it strains credulity to think that it’s anything other than hate speech.
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@Greyparrot
tribal identities often serve a legitimate purpose. Generally if a particular group of people has been subject to oppression or other poortreatment then that group is going to identify with one another band together and unite against the oppressors. when the reason for that identity no longer exists that is when we should expect those identities to stop. for example, homosexuals have hsitorically been subject to discrimination and the like so I think there is a good reason for them to have an identity on the other hand Jewish people are doing extremely well in the United States and there isn’t really much discrimination against them as far as I can tell so what purpose does that identity serve? Maybe it’s time for it to stop because well World War II was a long time ago
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@MgtowDemon
racismnoun1.1 The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
African Americans are far more likely to be disadvantaged than Whites because there is a large, negative genetic component (i.e. not racism). In essence, African Americans create their own disadvantage, and thus that doesn't need to be controlled for. If we were to control for it, I suspect (but not know) that the racial gap would disappear entirely, because you would be eliminating the undesirable genes (and the expression thereof) that create the gap in the first place. Genetic components such as lower I.Q [1][2], poor delayed gratification propensity [3], presence of the 'warrior gene' [4] etc. create this gene differential between African American and White populations, and thus one group, on average, becomes more "disadvantaged".
Looks like racism to me.
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@Greyparrot
They're already settled in to their lives. Separate an entire population on the basis of whatever you'd like - The degree of separation I'd contemplated was to form two separate nations. There are many costs associated with that. A lot of people would have to move. That's going to permanently terminate an enormous number of personal and business relationships. Further still, it would probably suck a lot to live in a nation full of Group A people compared to the status quo of living in a nation with both Group A and Group B people. It would be something like a divorce, in the sense that a legal community is terminated and justice would require a substantial transfer of value to the Group B nation from the Group A nation on account of that diminished life quality.
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@MgtowDemon
Separation is very expensive. There are alternatives which you might not have considered.
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@MgtowDemon
Even if what you're saying is true regarding a purported genetic inferiority, it really has no impact on any policy decision from where I'm standing. Lets suppose, hypothetically, that 50% of one group of people - Group A - is stupid while 20% of another group of people - Group B - is stupid. As time goes on, people become prejudiced against all members of Group A - even the half who aren't stupid, and even those of Group A who are intelligent. That prejudice against all members of Group A is unfair, unreasonable and damaging to the collective life experiences of members of Group A.
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@bmdrocks21
Yeah, I noticed that a surprisingly small amount of Black men voted for Trump in 2016 after his tough positions on illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants are eroding wages in construction especially, which is what a lot of high-school-educated Blacks work in and are suffering from.
It's because they don't see it, and there's probably some political aspects to it. It's a macroeconomic effect that's having a huge impact.
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@bmdrocks21
You asked about policy recommendations. Honestly deporting illegal aliens would probably do a lot to help solve the problem. If you consider the conclusions -
Writing to Lyndon Johnson, Moynihan argued that without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers, which would cause rates of divorce, child abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s), leading to vast increases in the numbers of households headed by females.
Illegal aliens compete a lot with high school dropouts in the labor market. Rates for general labor aren't sufficient for a man to be marriageable right now.
Other policy suggestion might be to reduce financial barriers to obtaining marketable job skills. Trade schools can allow people to obtain reasonably good blue collar incomes with minimal education cost in terms of time and money. Training for truck driving, handy man type work and the like perhaps should be subsidized. It's a lot more cost efficient than subsidizing the arts or bloated university budgets that study simply for the sake of academic interest rather than meaningfully improving lives. The student loan system is a joke, really. People get, effectively, a credit card to spend on education. They end up spending it on educations that don't give them good incomes, and then they can't pay back the loans. The winners are the schools. The losers are the students who wasted their time and are now deeply in debt, sometimes for life. The government ends up eating the losses.
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@bmdrocks21
You may be interested in the Moynihan Report, and perhaps http://www.csvr.org.za/docs/study/6.TAV_final_report_13_03_10.pdf
I'm imagining that the latter study is interesting because it was conducted by a government run by black people. I'm also imagining that the violence issues in the USA are having similar causes.
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@bmdrocks21
Food, education, housing and healthcare are basic needs. SNAP is good for food. There is public education up to high school. College, I think, could definitely use some improvements, as could housing assistance. Healthcare access to the very poor was greatly expanded by the medicaid expansion, but it's patchwork mostly because many states didn't elect to expand it there.
I don't view cultural regulation as hopeless, and I think it may be something we shouldn't be afraid of. Though, in fairness, there shouldn't be any targeting of particular cultures. Rather, there should be comprehensive evaluation of the cultures and identifying areas which can be improved upon. What is "good" or "bad" usually just relating to the consequences, I guess.
I'll think more about policy solutions. I haven't much of that, though, I'm thinking you may wish to reconsider your position of just giving people free money. There are studies on basic income. I haven't read too much in to it though.
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@MgtowDemon
Isn't wasting time what people do here? I mean, it's somewhat of a pastime for me.
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@bmdrocks21
To answer your question, assigning blame for someone's lot in life is something that's difficult to do. Some cases it's obvious, but you still have to know someone's past reasonably well to see it. If I see someone do nothing to improve his life, try to help him to get something going, and then he continues to do nothing to improve himself, then I generally blame him.
There is some relevance in policy making. Being born black is not like being born without a right arm, but it sets you back and there is evidence supporting that. Leveling the playing field is important, even though life will never be fair. It should be a significant policy priority because it impacts a substantial segment of the population.
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@MgtowDemon
You're primed for internet battle. A challenger approaches. This one's got it coming, that's for sure, and it's gonna feel good. Round 1- FIGHT! To the victor go the spoils. Feel that aggression pumping through your veins. Let it loose!
You know I got called in for jury duty once. I was in the jury box. The case was about a bar fight. The prosecuting attorney asked us "Do any of you think violence is an acceptable way to resolve your differences?" I raised my hand and he inquired further. I explained that "well, if they both agree to it, then that's their business." The next thing that happend was "Your honor, the people thank and excuse juror number 11." The court: "See you at the dueling hill Mr. [redacted]".
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@Conway
I got a new theory. The black doctors in America are mostly brain drained from Africa and end up working at the best hospitals because them being black makes them more desireable job applicants as there's a high demand for token blacks. Now the data on infant mortality rates gets skewed because most of the black babies being cared for by black doctors are only the ones in the best hospitals. Just really talking out of my ass and got nothing to back it up.
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@bmdrocks21
@MgtowDemon
Obviously other factors can be in play and the situation merits further investigation, but who has time for that? Causation is much more difficult to prove then causation, but I can't think of a better explanation for the observed correlation than racism. Well, someone else can do the work because I'm too lazy to find out. BTW the cited study was https://www.pnas.org/content/117/35/21194 It's behind a paywall. Anyone got the pirated version?
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@bmdrocks21
when attended by white physicians, Black newborns experienced 430 more deaths per 100,000 births than white newborns. But when cared for by a Black physician, the excess deaths dropped to 173 per 100,000 above that of white newborns
The data suggests that ~42% of the observed difference between white and black infant mortality is being caused by racism. It's time for those babies to shut up and start taking responsibility!
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At the end of the day none of this matters. The only thing that matters is evidence because the vote counts are presumptively correct without evidence to the contrary. Even if the election was stolen, then it's too bad if it can't be proven.
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@Greyparrot
All unskilled labor that can be outsourced will be outsourced. All unskilled labor that can't be outsourced will be competing with 12 million illegal aliens caused by a federal government that doesn't protect its border nor deport unlawful workers. No verification of unskilled labor's work authorization is required now since they're all 1099. Yep, the poor get fucked in America. Hard.
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@Intelligence_06
The underlying premise would be that we should be doing what's in our (Americans) collective interest. It's pretty much the going assumption in political discussions. America is weaker when it's divided along racial lines. This is the adverse impact of racial loyalty. Honestly though, I think people are so racist it's pretty hopeless. Sometimes I think we should just accept that racism will never be overcome and that racial separatism might be what's best for everybody.
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@Theweakeredge
The right has seemed non-factual ever since racism became socially unacceptable, but once you understand that they're really speaking in code where ABC means XYZ then things start to make sense. They're accustomed to dog whistles, beating around the bush with lies and what have you. They'll talk about states rights, the harm principle, trickle down economics, individualism, super predators, welfare queens, and whatever but what it's really about is implementing policies that are bad for blacks. They can't just come out and say what they're really thinking so they're all code talkers. You have to learn the code to understand them. Now that you see that they're speaking in code, then you see the code and when it looks like they're lying, well they're not really lying because they don't mean what they said. You have to look at the underlying meaning. Like, when Dr. Franklin says it was a stolen election, what he really means is that he's butthurt about losing and is trying to cover up the pain with some bullshit. Then he hasn't lied to you at all. He just needs someone to help him feel better.
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@3RU7AL
Your source also did this:
During the COVID-19 pandemic Ayyadurai used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic.[citation needed] In January 2020 he claimed that the coronavirus was patented by the Pirbright Institute, but the patent he referenced relates to avian coronavirus, which infects birds, not SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the pandemic.[51] Ayyadurai defined COVID-19 as "an overactive dysfunctional immune system that overreacts and that's what causes damage to the body", and claimed that vitamin C could be used to treat it.[52]He alleged that the coronavirus was spread by the "deep state" and accused Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, of being a "Deep State Plant". Ayyadurai called for Fauci to be fired[53] and his supporters lobbied for Fauci to be replaced by Ayyadurai.[54]In March 2020 he published an open letter to president Donald Trump where he wrote that a national lockdown was unnecessary and advocated that large doses of vitamins could prevent and cure the disease.[55] In April 2020, Politico and Vanity Fair reported that QAnon supporter DeAnna Lorraine recommended that Shiva be included in coronavirus discussions at Donald Trump's White House.[56][57]
Credibility low.
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