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@David
Hello and welcome! Glad you like it :)
The only feedback/suggestion I have is to narrow down the forum categories until there are more members and more content. Having a half empty forum doesn’t really look that good. Do we really need a category for fashion, cars, and people etc?
Thanks for the suggestion! It's been pointed out by quite a few people and hopefully I'll manage to implement it this weekend but cannot promise with 100% guarantee, but it'll be done soon :)
If you don't mind me asking, I was wondering if you could please avoid creating new topics if there are already existing ones that already cover the subject? I believe there was one for introductions and one for suggestions :) But if you want to create new ones nevertheless, it's okay, no pressure :)
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@Varrack
Thanks for the suggestion!
- What do you think about displaying the most popular / most viewed debates on the front page? Maybe including popular forum posts on there too would be a cool feature.
That's what we'll have most likely as it seems to have the most sense to me as well :)
I just noticed that when I receive a notification that I was mentioned in a forum post, and I click on the link to the thread, it takes me to the first page...not the page I was mentioned it. It's kind of a pain to have to sift through the pages to find the exact post I was mentioned in.Also, clicking on the notif bell takes me to a different page rather than displaying a drop-down. It would save time to have a simple notif drop-down, I think.
That was mentioned a few times as well and it's a good idea but most likely it will be implemented a bit later because at the moment the main priority is adding the essential stuff, like moderation system, proper voting system and etc. But I know about that issue and it will be solved at some point :)
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Thank you! Hopefully it won't take too much time to implement many more interesting things and enlarge the community! :)
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@Earth
Yeah, agreed. Regarding the spam protection, I believe there is already some against automatic spam and DOS attacks but I don't know how and if it works but hopefully we will not get a chance to test. But if push comes to shove, there's always captchas ...
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Okay folk, I am gonna try to kill all the suspicions and tell you the whole story.
So initially, this site was not meant to be in English and have anything to do with DDO.
It happened ~ 3 years ago when I stumbled upon DDO and I liked the idea which is what I was looking for back then in order to practice my programming skills since I hate to practice on abstract things or the usual exercises. So I decided to kill two birds with one rock. I decided to try and implement this site with the new programming language and at the same time, move this experience of DDO to my country's domain and therefore the design resemblance, because it didn't make sense to bother too much trying to come up with an alternative to what already works perfectly. So I did create that website and it turned out to be crap because it was a mess both from the design point of view and code quality. So I closed it.
Then, believe me or not, I changed the programming language again and decided what the heck, I am just gonna do the same but properly this time. And I did it and it's still up and running -> https://smartdebate.ru, do you see the resemblance? Lol
Truth be told, it had no success whatsoever, the debating is not a common thing here and even though I contacted probably all the debating clubs and forums I could find, it was to no avail.
Then I wanted to close it as well because God knows I tried but I noticed that DDO was overwhelmed with some Indian spammers and nothing was done about it and I actually liked DDO a lot, I didn't really participate in the community but I enjoyed reading the debates and it helped me to adjust some of my views on the world, believe me or not. So I decided to just translate the website to English and see what happens because I checked the alternatives and didn't like them too much, if to be honest. So here we are.
Regarding the spam, I have no clue whatsoever who is responsible for it but I freaking despise it.
And to be as open as I can get, I am just sick of people saying that it was me. Somebody actually left a feedback on the website asking not to spam DebateIsland.com. Seriously? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@Yassine
Notification system will be improved as well, just not too soon I am afraid :(
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@Varrack
1) The front page is a pain in the butt, what we have now there is abomination because I simply had no idea what else to put there and truth be told, I am not sure I can come up with something really nice myself, most likely I am gonna try to find somebody with at least some taste for beauty and help me haha But it's definitely going to change.
2) I don't think they have uploaded avatars under 140, they just get downsized when you upload images :)
3) Debate voting is another extremely difficult thing to implement right. At the moment it's implemented in the most naive way so truth be told, it's not any better than in many other places but I promise we'll come up with some well-thought full-blown system at some point :)
Thanks, glad you like it :)
2) I don't think they have uploaded avatars under 140, they just get downsized when you upload images :)
3) Debate voting is another extremely difficult thing to implement right. At the moment it's implemented in the most naive way so truth be told, it's not any better than in many other places but I promise we'll come up with some well-thought full-blown system at some point :)
Thanks, glad you like it :)
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@Castin
It's hard to answer you regarding the moderation level at this point. We'd need to think and come up with the moderation system from the scratch. Obviously it makes sense to appoint some willing people a "moderator" role and give some abilities to handle stuff but it's just a top of an iceberg, I believe it's possible to create a system (not perfect though but still) which would prevent the bad content in the first place. At least a system that would make it discouraging but again, it needs some thinking.
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@RationalMadman
It's okay, thank you! Usually changing words is extremely easy but sometimes it gets a bit more complicated :) I just want to remove all eye soreness for the native speakers and can't do it myself 'cause I am not one of them :)
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New changes:
1) Changed the "argumentation" status to "debating"
2) Added a way to jump to the last page of the forum topic
3) Added "christian" religion option
4) Added "forum posts" counter under the people's avatars for the forum posts.
Please note that the forum posts counter and other stats info is not real time, it has a delay of 5-10 mins, so don't get surprised if the numbers don't get changed instantly :)
1) Changed the "argumentation" status to "debating"
2) Added a way to jump to the last page of the forum topic
3) Added "christian" religion option
4) Added "forum posts" counter under the people's avatars for the forum posts.
Please note that the forum posts counter and other stats info is not real time, it has a delay of 5-10 mins, so don't get surprised if the numbers don't get changed instantly :)
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@RationalMadman
Yeah, somebody pointed that out a few days, I will try to get to it this week and change it, it's just a bit complicated.
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@EtrnlVw
@Castin
I am not gonna lie to you guys but at the moment, those things are not the priorities ( I mean the dropdowns and the like ) because there are so many more crucial things missing at the moment... (forum posts editing and moderation system to name a few). But! All those niceties will be implemented eventually, just not too soon :(
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@Earth
It will go much further than that, just give it time :)
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@Smithereens
Thanks, it's because I have no life haha I didn't really have any activity there, I mostly just read debates on interesting subjects but it's a pleasure to meet you here :)
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@triangle.128k
Well, I added the website to the search engines and did all the optimisations but usually it takes months to actually start appearing in the results. The biggest problem that would hardly influence the SEO is the absence of the mobile version because now, at least Google, are prioritising the mobile versions. But maybe there is some work around, I am not sure yet.
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@Smithereens
Thanks again!
1) Easy enough, will do.
2) I'd need to look into it to see if and how it would work
3) No idea how I missed it. Will add it with the next deployment.
4) That's a good one but most likely will be implemented after we have finished all the required stuff for the forum and debates
5) Also easy enough but would need to time to come up with the design and placement.
1) Easy enough, will do.
2) I'd need to look into it to see if and how it would work
3) No idea how I missed it. Will add it with the next deployment.
4) That's a good one but most likely will be implemented after we have finished all the required stuff for the forum and debates
5) Also easy enough but would need to time to come up with the design and placement.
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@Smithereens
Yeah, that should be easy enough, will do. But I want to jump to implementing the posts editing and it may take a while and then I'll back to the smaller issues :)
I know it's not too convenient to always scroll down but the pagination here is rather good and it will allow you to jump to the last page, so it's a temporary way to handle it :)
I know it's not too convenient to always scroll down but the pagination here is rather good and it will allow you to jump to the last page, so it's a temporary way to handle it :)
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New changes:
1) Now there is no default sex set on the sign up. If you already have it picked, it's possible to hide it.
2) Added a link to a profile page from inside the office
3) Changed some words here and there to make things less confusing.
4) Added a new 'pagan' value to the religion choice.
5) Added a new 'progressivism' value to the political ideology choice
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@EtrnlVw
Thank you for the kind words, it's really motivating to hear them :) I hope you will like it here!
Yeah I've also stumbled upon this feature and it does seem interesting so one day it may be implemented here. Actually I have many cool ideas in my head that we could discuss and implement here :) But I am afraid it's not gonna be that soon because at the moment the biggest priority is to properly implement the core functionality, like adding a way to edit forum posts, bots protection, good profile pages and a whole lot of things regarding the debates implementation. So even though the devs don't have much of a life, it's still time consuming but we'll get there :)
Yeah I've also stumbled upon this feature and it does seem interesting so one day it may be implemented here. Actually I have many cool ideas in my head that we could discuss and implement here :) But I am afraid it's not gonna be that soon because at the moment the biggest priority is to properly implement the core functionality, like adding a way to edit forum posts, bots protection, good profile pages and a whole lot of things regarding the debates implementation. So even though the devs don't have much of a life, it's still time consuming but we'll get there :)
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@Earth
I am afraid it's not that easy to do, unfortunately.
I know it's a huge inconvenience not being able to edit forum posts but it will be implemented soon. A lot of people have already asked this so I am on it :)
I know it's a huge inconvenience not being able to edit forum posts but it will be implemented soon. A lot of people have already asked this so I am on it :)
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@Swagnarok
Hello and thanks for the feedback.
I will think about adding profile comments but I am not sure about this one, it needs some thinking because it can easily be abused. But we'll think about it, that's for sure. As I mentioned somewhere, I will add a link to your profile page inside the office so that's not gonna be a problem to access it. Also I will a way to find the user's debates, forum posts and so on from his or her page, because it's missing now as well.
I will think about adding profile comments but I am not sure about this one, it needs some thinking because it can easily be abused. But we'll think about it, that's for sure. As I mentioned somewhere, I will add a link to your profile page inside the office so that's not gonna be a problem to access it. Also I will a way to find the user's debates, forum posts and so on from his or her page, because it's missing now as well.
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Also I wanted to point out one big thing that is missing from the profile pages. It's impossible to find the user's debates, forum posts and etc like you can on DDO. I know it's important and it will definitely be implemented at some point.
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Yeah, I am afraid there is no way to jump to your general profile page from inside the office but it's a good idea, I will try to add a link there somewhere.
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@Earth
Yeah maybe, but they won't be able to spam at all if there are captchas deployed. Also storing all those spam messages in the database may end up costing some money for the server's space so it's not ideal.
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@Earth
I didn't even know what it was until you asked it haha
Asking the answer, I am not sure, it may make sense in some situations. But I don't think it's meant to be used against bots, maybe trolls though.
Asking the answer, I am not sure, it may make sense in some situations. But I don't think it's meant to be used against bots, maybe trolls though.
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@Earth
Yeah, hopefully, I believe Google has this invisible captcha concept where you don't even have to click on that box to prove you are not a robot. That's the one I want to play with.
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@Buddamoose
@Earth
Nope, that's not a requirement.
Was there a problem publishing a post?
Was there a problem publishing a post?
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@Buddamoose
Hi, thanks for the feedback.
Bot protection is rather easy, captchas should do just fine. I will play with them a bit later, my concern is that they may be a pain the ass for the normal users.
Regarding the group PMs, as I mentioned above, that's already implemented in the code, I just need to come up with the design for it :)
Bot protection is rather easy, captchas should do just fine. I will play with them a bit later, my concern is that they may be a pain the ass for the normal users.
Regarding the group PMs, as I mentioned above, that's already implemented in the code, I just need to come up with the design for it :)
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@triangle.128k
Oh sorry, I missed your previous message. Yeah, sure, but should we maybe change it to dictatorship, to make it a bit more general? And what other ideologies would you like to add?
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@Earth
Yes, I have forseen that it would be handy so on the backend side it's all there but I'd need to come up with the design for that, which is the most painful thing for me
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@Polytheist-Witch
Thanks, will do with the next deploy!
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@Smithereens
Understood, thanks, will fix in the next release :)
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@Smithereens
Alrighty, thanks, that sounds good :)
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Sometimes it's possible to get a response from the website saying that there is no connection to the server. If you see this message, don't be afraid, it just means that new stuff is being deployed. It never takes more than a couple of minutes of down time.
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Enlarged the private chat input field, now it should be a bit more convenient to write larger messages.
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@Smithereens
Thanks for the feedback!
I just wanted to make sure I understood you correctly, so you think it would make sense to just remove some too specific categories, like cars, tv, fashion and so on and maybe add some "wider" categories? So the topics on those subjects would go to the "miscellaneous" or some other wide category? If so, then yeah, it could be done :) But we need to do some thinking here and decide how to go about it.
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@Smithereens
I think you are right, it could definitely be something better. We could go with "In progress" but it also seems kind of too general, if you know what I mean. Do you have any more ideas we could select out of? Would it make sense to maybe just go with "Debating"?
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@Smithereens
Hi, thank for for the reply!
I think the most painful part for me is coming up with some logos and wall pictures (those big pictures on twitter and facebook) because I have no creativity and required design skills whatsoever. So any help on that front would be really appreciated :)
I think the most painful part for me is coming up with some logos and wall pictures (those big pictures on twitter and facebook) because I have no creativity and required design skills whatsoever. So any help on that front would be really appreciated :)
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Implemented a way to edit and "like" debate comments. Needs some testing on this part.
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@Jhhillman
I've added another field to the debate preview as I mentioned before. Hopefully it will make it less confusing.
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@TheHammer
Hello!
That's a mistake from my side. Initially it was supposed to be org but then I went with the com and apparently missed this piece and didn't change it.
I will correct it with the next deployment ( probably tomorrow )
Thank you for your help and I apologize for such an obvious mistake.
I will correct it with the next deployment ( probably tomorrow )
Thank you for your help and I apologize for such an obvious mistake.
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@Jhhillman
Hello!
Thank you very much for your comment!
Initially we had a way to choose the position just like on DDO but then somebody pointed out that it would make sense to just make it default that the instigator is always the proponent. It's just a matter of changing the topic formulation. For example, if the initial topic is `Toyota is better than Nissan` and you want to take the opposite position, you may just change the topic to `Nissan is better than Toyota` and be the proponent, hopefully that makes sense :) I think I will add a field to the debate preview saying that the instigator's position is always PRO, that may help with the possible confusion.
Regarding the captcha, yeah, it's a good idea, as the experience with DDO proves. I will definitely implement it at some point.
No, thank YOU for the participation. Hopefully you'll have a good time here :)
Thank you very much for your comment!
Initially we had a way to choose the position just like on DDO but then somebody pointed out that it would make sense to just make it default that the instigator is always the proponent. It's just a matter of changing the topic formulation. For example, if the initial topic is `Toyota is better than Nissan` and you want to take the opposite position, you may just change the topic to `Nissan is better than Toyota` and be the proponent, hopefully that makes sense :) I think I will add a field to the debate preview saying that the instigator's position is always PRO, that may help with the possible confusion.
Regarding the captcha, yeah, it's a good idea, as the experience with DDO proves. I will definitely implement it at some point.
No, thank YOU for the participation. Hopefully you'll have a good time here :)
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At the moment, the website implements only the core functionality which is extremely limited and "naive". But it doesn't mean that it's going to stay that way. Our main goal is to develop a platform that'd be interesting for as many people as possible and for that to happen, we need your help.
So, what's the plan? Well, we split the development work into 2 categories, "basic" and "requested". The basic one is implementing the most obvious and needed features. For example, at the moment, it's still impossible to delete or edit some entities on the website, such as forum posts, so it goes to the basic category. The other example would be adding a bunch of minor features, such as comment likes, "hot" and "pinned" forum topics and etc. The other category is about implementing more unique and interesting features, such as user guilds or video debates or some other debate formats or whatever else would be interesting for the community.
Also it's worth pointing out that this website is not backed by any company and we don't have thousands of dollars of investments raised. Frankly, we don't have any money except for our own. At the moment, we have 2.5 developers working on it in their free time. Even though it means a bit slower development process, at the same time it gives us ultimate freedom to go any way we want. We don't need to satisfy anyone outside of our community.
So, if you want to help us turn this website into something you've always wanted for a debate platform, welcome on board :)
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