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@oromagi
My reply was because he seems smart
I feel like we have different definitions of the word smart...
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@Vader
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and did not know what the scum PM was.
Notice I did not say where, I said what. He literally did not know that he was supposed to be in contact with another player.
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@oromagi
Your appeal to superior experience
My what now? Citation needed.
Is "come on" your argument?
My statement was that WP didn't know how to play the game. I don't understand how someone can really disagree with that statement given the fact that he did not know what being scum means, did not know he was scum, and did not know what the scum PM was.
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@bsh1
If Supa flips inno, we need to take a serious look at Oro, given DP1.
Could you explain? Oro's DP 1 paranoia came off as genuinely town to me. There was one post of his in particular... I don't remember exactly what but it was shortly after Wylteds little pet name for me... Well anyway I would just like to know what you mean by that.
Guess I should breadcrumb my character/role somewhere too for 'proof of my role if I need to do so at some later point.
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@oromagi
Most of my present assessment is based on who is bringing the most information to the table.
But you then proceed to rate the three least active players as being in the top four most likely to be town...
Disciplus_Didicit calls Wylted's false cop claim typical town [behavior]
You mean these posts?
Yeah, I stand by that. Wylteds gambit last DP was typical of how he behaves when he is town. If you don't see that then you have probably never played a game with Wylted as town, in which case you should not e making judgements on what his typical town behavior is like.
[Effortlessly] discovers worst scum and then exits - but Pie and DD are [fine] with all of that.
Yes, I am fine with effortlessly finding scum and as long as I am town I always will be fine with effortlessly finding scum.
DD's DP1 narrative depends on WP cluelessly giving up the game.
Um yeah. That, uh... is that a problem? I mean he... I feel like it's pretty obvious that... I mean come on dude, were you not watching the same thread I was? I mean come on... This is, this... I mean come on!
WP should not have been thrown by Discord since he asked for help understanding Discord on the forums just days before this game & rec'd info from dudz & Mharmon (in fact, thats where Mharmon invited him to play)
Now you are arguing against a point that I used to argue against a point that bsh1 made that would have proven me as town. And you are saying this makes me more likely to be scum. You've lost the plot, mate.
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If we do have a doc I recommend they target origami tonight. He is the only one I am sure is town, post 76 from DP 1 all but confirms it in my mind.
We still have at least 2 more nights to use our roles and narrow the scum pool. As long as we keep the people that are sure to be town alive all that will remain is to kill whoever is left.
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@warren42
I don't disagree, I just feel that Bsh has been cleared too quickly and there were similarities between him and Supa that you had not seemed to notice.
Yes I see now what you mean. If Supa is lynched today and is inno that brings us to 5 v 1 (assuming NK is not prevented in some way). If the mod is unable to find a replacement for K_boy then what would you say to lynching him DP 3 just to be safe? That would bring us to 3 v 1 in a worst case scenario, allowing for us to use DP 4 to digest, review, and discuss the events this far without fear that the last mafioso might just be someone that has not posted at all up to that point.
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@warren42
If he bought the day cop claim it's very much a valid move. Considering Wylted miraculously hit at random, it doesn't seem unlikely
My gut still tells me that Supa is more likely to be scum than bsh. Besides that if we lynch Supa and we are wrong then all we lose is a suspicious townie that has no role whereas if we lynch bsh and we are wrong we lose someone that has been active in the game and might possibly have a power role of some sort.
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The objective of warfare is always the same. To impose ones will upon the enemy.
The 'ideal aftermath' for making said imposition depends on the nature of the victor's will.
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@bsh1
Water likely muffed his fake claim because his scumbuddy was not active during the first part of the last DP to help him out.
That is a very illogical assumption. The PM is probably located on the discord, it is unlikely that WP ever bothered to even use it. The likely explanation is that WP screwed up because he knows nothing about the game and put no effort into learning about it beforehand.
His mistake was not based on lack of experience, it was based on lack of interest in the game. An apt comparison would be a child playing soccer for the first time. One would expect said child to screw up badly, perhaps kick the ball into their own net. WP did not do this. He instead ran up to the first kid he saw and touched them before running away as fast as he could because he thought he was playing tag.
He had no idea he was scum or even what being scum means. He had no idea what a scum PM was. There is no conclusion that we can logically come to regarding who WPs buddy is by using the ridiculous old "he screwed up because his scum buddy wasn't there to help him" line of thought.
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@Vader
Are you going to participate in the game at all beyond just claiming?
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@oromagi
Characters obviously.
Obviously it's not obvious or I would not have asked. I am not an ant.
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@oromagi
I would like everybody during this DP2 to state whether or not they are an ANT.
Do you mean our mafia characters or is this a reference to post 147 of DP 1 where you said something about ANTS duties to Mharm?
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building on the friction started in DP 1, a DP 2 mislynch to divide the town.
building on the friction started in DP 1 and a DP 2 mislynch to divide the town.*
You know, the mobile version of this site really sucks ass. Why is it that when I try to backspace letters in the middle of words or add new words to the middle of a sentence the text just completely scrambles all over the damn place for no reason whatsoever? It makes no sense at all.
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@warren42
Eh, bsh seems town to me. I don't see any reason scum-bsh would want to kill Wylted in the NP.
Because Wylted and I so clearly wanted Supa dead today a smarter move for scum-bsh would be to kill someone else, Pie or Oromagi perhaps, then allow Wylted to lead a train and get supa lynched today (in this scenario Supa would be town) while perhaps building on the friction started in DP 1, a DP 2 mislynch to divide the town.
Instead Wylted was the one killed. I think this makes more sense in the scenario where Supa is scum than in the scenario where bsh is scum for the reasons I outlined in page one of this DP.
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@warren42
Disc, how do you feel about [bsh1] behaving similarly to Supa?
In what way?
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No guaranteed town or scum but I would list the probabilities like so:
(Most likely town)
oromagi
Bsh1
ILikePie5
Greyparrot
K_Michael
warren42
SupaDudz
(least likely town)
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@oromagi
supa used the verb admit not confess which seems a little ess damning.
I admit/confess that I was technically a bit inaccurate in that regard.
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@bsh1
Lmao a single post where I remark - with surprise - that Wylted may have been telling the truth? Let's give the audience some context so they can see why I seemed so surprised by that in the first place...
And of course the post I made just four minutes after the one you link...
That's cool though, why bother actually reading what happened when you can just tunnel vision on to some single zinger to 'prove' your preconceived notions? You should be a TV reporter.
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@bsh1
Explain the Supa read.
Re-read supas posts in the first few pages of DP1 up to the part where WP resigned, keeping in mind two things:
- WPs scum buddy knew WP was scum (obviously)
- WP almost certainly had no communication with his scum buddy. (also incredibly obvious but if you really need it explained to you I can)
Supa is one of the first to post in the game but says little of consequence until Wylted begins his attack on WP. His initial reaction is an immediate counterattack on Wylted accusing him of being scum with no justification.
His comment about Wylted "just trying to get a noob player to confess" strikes me on several levels. Firstly I think Supa has been playing this game long enough to know that pressuring players during the DP is obviously a good thing for town. Why should he object to that? That is without even mentioning the fact that Wylted pointed out about the wording itself... How would Supa know that WP had something to confess to? This was before WP actually did confess.
After WP did confess Supa had nothing more to say but to change his vote to WP. The fact that he voted for a confessed mafioso is a null tell and really the fact that he stopped posting should also be considered a null tell but the rest of his actions last DP were suspicious for the reasons stated above.
To top it all there were (iirc) only two players last DP that said they wanted to lynch Supa today. Those players were Wyled and myself. Out of those two Wylted was very obviously baiting the NK. It was incredibly obvious that he was not actually a cop (as I pointed out several times last DP) so the only good reasons to kill Wylted would be for fear of what he might say/do or because he was widely town read.
There were several other players that were widely town read last DP so my gut tells me that the motivation for killing Wylted was fear of what he would do during DP 2, and I think Wylted made it pretty obvious who he was going to try to lynch during DP 2.
I don't see anyone else with as much reason to be lynched as supa right now.
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I am still of the opinion that supa ought to be the next lynch like wylted I said before. On the other hand I did not read much of the game after WP confessed so maybe I missed something... I will go back and re-read but for now
VTL Supa
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@oromagi
K_Mike is the only player who hasn't at least popped in. Last online 18 hrs ago. therefore
Do you not have any thoughts about last DP and who might be mafia based on what happened?
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@TheRealNihilist
I understand what you mean. You don't think I do, and I know exactly why you don't think I do, but I do.
Hopefully one day you'll understand what I mean.
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@TheRealNihilist
Why do you think I was an atheist? Because I just wanted to rebel? No. I became an atheist when I didn't get an answer.
Don't get mad at Mopac. His personality is legitimately too one dimensional to realize how much of an ass he is being. Ignoring him would be better for both of you than being mad at him.
Beyond that I did read what Poly said regarding the sleep medication. I am a long-suffering insomniac myself and out of the several things I have tried for that a combination of melatonin and careful structuring of my pre/post sleeping hours was the most useful. It sounds like your doc sucks, I also agree with Poly about seeing a different doctor if you are able to do so. As a personal preference I like the hospital experience better but the most important thing is that whoever you are seeing is not a dip-ass.
As for the job, I would estimate that your youth is probably one reason for the lack of respect your employer is showing you. If the job pays decently well or you have some other reason to stay then I would say suck it up. Young people are treated like shit at the work place, get over it. If it is just a crappy little part-time gig to pay the bills though then you might consider finding new work. No guarantee that the new employer will be any better but I can tell you from experience that walking into the office of a boss that simultaneously tells you that you are critical to their operations yet also treats you poorly and delivering your two-weeks notice to them and telling them you found a better gig is a very therapeutic feeling.
"Every day it gets a little easier.
But you gotta do it every day - that’s the hard part.
But it does get easier."
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Why don't you say mean things to me anymore Poly? I feel like you don't even want me to die in a ditch on the side of the road since it has been so long since you have said so.
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@Wylted
Auto correct screwed me over, instead of dick disciple it should read "Discipulus_Didicit"
Aw, and here I thought I was being given a neat nickname lol.
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@Wylted
assuming we get a lynch on Water
One would think that assuming we can lynch someone that claimed scum would be a safe assumption to make...
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@bsh1
Care to say anything of substance?
Uhh... Lynch the guy that claimed scum?
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@oromagi
No worries at all about a townie who's first move is to lie about being the COP?
Oh I get it now, this is your first time playing with town Wylted isn't it?
Relax. We already won. I am still not 100% on supa being scum but he is suspicious enough to lynch and the scum team in a game this size is probably two people anyway so taking out half the scum team on day one combined with my role... Yeah. We win.
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@oromagi
no suspicion at all on the easiest scum find of all time?
Nope.
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@oromagi
Wylted is one of the most blatantly obvious townies in this game lol.
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@oromagi
Wylted is one of the most blatantly obvious townies in this game lol.
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@Wylted
If there is a jester in a nine player game then Mharm needs a spanking.
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@Greyparrot
@bsh1
@ILikePie5
@K_Michael
Town wins. Vote WP for confessing to being mafia.
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@Wylted
Funny thing is I am not the day cop. I jist thought it would be easy to nail him as scum if I made him think I was. I thought I could force a slip like that. Looks like I forced one on Supa as well
Oh so I was right about everything. Cool, I like feeling smart!
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@WaterPhoenix
I get that this is your first game but... Didn't you at least read about how to play before signing up?
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@Wylted
Oh wow, I was wrong you really are the day cop lol.
I already have my vote on WP
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@Wylted
You and Oromagi are giving me strong town vibes at this point but I am not quite convinced about anyone else either way. I would agree on your proposed lunch order though, I will keep my vote where it is for now.
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@Wylted
Read my above post.
I actually noticed the same thing but wasn't decided on what to make of it. It does certainly seem like a very odd manner of wording.
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@WaterPhoenix
Just claim, bro. I don't really think Wylted got a guilty on you but I do think he is town but even if he is mafia refusing to claim... Character claim at the very least... Just stalls the game.
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@Vader
Day roles are a pretty common flavor on other sites.
Now as I said before that is not to say that I believe Wylteds claim, but you have to admit this is pretty typical Wylted town play and a day role is far from impossible.
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@Wylted
That was my soft claim. You're welcome
Thanks.
VTL WaterPhoenix
I hope whatever you are actually up to takes into account the fact that you will be lynched if WP flips inno.
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