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@Moozer325
Right wingers don't want things to be fair. Unfairness and hierarchy are the foundations of their entire ideology. It's not incidental, the ideology is built on that from the ground up.I don’t know about all right wingers,
Ask Wylted if we should have a democracy.
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@Moozer325
Thank you! This obsession with measuring your self worth by IQ is getting ridiculous.
Yeah. It's the same kind of pathway to essentialist thinking that the people he criticizes spiral down all the time but the idea of IQ is so wrapped up in the veneer of scientific credibility that he is unable to see that.
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@FLRW
I will gracefully accept the accolades but there are some things I disagree with you on as well.
Namely the obsession with IQ. It's creepy.
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@Moozer325
You fucking people and your obsession with thinking that if something is fair then everyone will be okay with it is genuinely mind boggling. Right wingers don't want things to be fair. Unfairness and hierarchy are the foundations of their entire ideology. It's not incidental, the ideology is built on that from the ground up.
Republicans currently hold the Supreme Court with lifetime appointments. When one has an unfair advantage changing the rules to make things more fair puts the person with an unfair advantage in a worse position than they were in before. The fact that putting a person with an unfair advantage into a worse position is a good thing is irrelevant. They are right wingers. Their goal is not to make good things happen. How is this difficult to get?
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@Savant
Doesn't black mean when all light is absorbed?
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@Savant
Doesn't black mean when all light is absorbed?
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@WyIted
Oh, I thought he was talking about the stuff that happened in the last 24 hours not stuff that happened over a year ago.
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@WyIted
This is referring to increasing the number of judges on the Supreme Court
Why the fuck you lyin'?
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Okay, so if we got this going here is how It would play out:
Pre-Game
There are 7 players and each control one country. Before the game begins each player will be asked to give a list of the countries ranked from which they would most prefer to play as to which they would least want. The countries are:
Austria (Red)
England (Dark Blue)
France (Light Blue)
Germany (Black)
Italy (Green)
Russia (Purple)
Turkey (Yellow)
The Game
Each Spring and Fall phase will last either three days or until all surviving players have submitted finalized orders. Each Winter phase will last 24 hours or until all surviving players have submitted finalized orders. Players may change their orders at any time before the phase ends to adjust their strategy if something comes up in negotiations or you notice a better move set. This may be done even if they have finalized their orders. Any player may ask for a 24 hour extension for any reason and I will probably say yes but make no guarantees. I won't give more than one extension per phase except in extreme circumstances such as a player going on vacation.
Each phase will open with an imgur link showing the state of the board at the time of that phase followed by a list of all orders given by all players in the previous phase. For reference this is what the board looks like at the beginning of the game:
In this board the big circles are armies, the big triangles are fleets, and the small squares and circles are supply centers.
How to Play
Rules for communication:
1) Talk to any player any time about anything.
2) Following through on promises made to other players is ALWAYS optional.
Rules on everything else:
I typed up a couple paragraphs of instructions then lost all of it. Sad. Just skim this guide a bit and you'll be fine, I'm sure. Some of it such as how long a phase lasts may conflict with things I say here. Where they conflict I am right and the guide is wrong but where they do not conflict the guide can be trusted. I promise it isn't as complicated as it looks.
If you have any questions at any point then ask and I will answer. Even if it is the chess student equivalent of asking how the knight moves for the 4th time in 30 minutes I promise to patiently answer any and all questions.
Peace Negotiations
There are two ways for the game to end. If one player controls 18 or more supply centers at any point then the game ends and that player wins first place with all other players, no matter how well they are doing at the time, tied for last place. The other way for the game to end is in a negotiated peace.
There are two types of peace treaties that can be agreed to. These are draw treaties and ranked treaties.
If a draw treaty is reached then all surviving players, no matter how well they are doing at the time, tie for first place with all other players in a tie for last place.
If a ranked treaty is reached then all surviving players must agree who between them gets first place, second place, etc. All other players will tie for last place.
The process of reaching a treaty to end the game is as follows (note that unlike movement orders all negotiation votes are public):
1) Any surviving players proposes to start negotiations. At this point a vote to start negotiations begin.
2) ALL surviving players vote yes on starting negotiations. The vote to proceed MUST be unanimous among surviving players. At this point a vote for the type of treaty to adopt begins. IMPORTANT: Play on the board continues as normal during these negotiations.
3) All surviving players vote on what type of treaty to adopt - draw or ranked. If all surviving players vote for a draw treaty then the game ends with all surviving players tied for first place and all other players tied for last place. If all surviving players vote for a ranked treaty then negotiations for the rankings begin. If the vote is split in any way then peace negotiations end immediately and must start again from step one.
4) If all surviving players agree to negotiate for a ranked treaty then each proposes a ranking of who gets first place, second place, etc. and may vote to support any other player's proposal. If any proposal receives support from all surviving players that proposal is adopted and the game ends with all surviving players ranked as agreed and all other players tied for last place. If one year passes from the time this part of the negotiations begins and no proposal receives unanimous support then negotiations end immediately and must start again from step one.
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These seem fine, anyone that isn't a dirty communist like wylted should be able to get behind a code of ethics and term limits. While I have heard good arguments for increasing the size of the Supreme Court I am still 50/50 on that but that's not being proposed anyway so it's a bit of a moot point.
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@Earth
@Moozer325
Thanks for the interest. Please let me know if you become available.
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
I PMed a few people and got a yes and a maybe.
Sign ups so far:
1. Wylted
2. Barney
3. Casey
4. Greyparrot
Interested but not signed up:
1. Moozer
2. Earth
Need 3 more to start. Technically I could sign up and we could have a bot adjudicator but I would rather not be a player so that I can answer any questions about the rules without the people asking me being worried about me figuring out their plans based on the questions.
If you can think of anyone that may be interested then feel free to tell them about it.
I promised to go into more details on how we would do this if there was enough interest and this qualifies so I will be doing that tonight.
Sign ups so far:
1. Wylted
2. Barney
3. Casey
4. Greyparrot
Interested but not signed up:
1. Moozer
2. Earth
Need 3 more to start. Technically I could sign up and we could have a bot adjudicator but I would rather not be a player so that I can answer any questions about the rules without the people asking me being worried about me figuring out their plans based on the questions.
If you can think of anyone that may be interested then feel free to tell them about it.
I promised to go into more details on how we would do this if there was enough interest and this qualifies so I will be doing that tonight.
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@WyIted
Austin was taking too long to get on so I just made an executive decision.
That's fair. I wonder if he would have saved me. I had a whole rant prepared for in case my theory was correct and I was saved lol.
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@WyIted
Yeah, fake claim cop (whiteflame himself said it was weird there were so few investigative roles. Savant could point to that post and say "I AM THE INVESTIGATIVE ROLE MOTHERFUCKER IT WAS ME ALL ALONG HAHAHAHA") and claim to get a NP 2 guilty on WF. Claim the NP 1 was an inno on someone that didn't come under any pressure then say to the town "look, lynch WF and if he is inno lynch me next gg".
Not guaranteed but that's just off the top of my head. I think Savant gave up too easily.
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@AustinL0926
Hey, I sent Wylted a guess that a role like yours existed via PM. Why you no save me? =(
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Mafiascum says that it is sometimes used as a scum role though it is rare because of how powerful it is in the hands of scum.
I find it even this surprising. Scum double voter automatically cuts a whole DP off of the Mylo/Lylo deadline. That's something that would need serious consideration in balancing.
If DP 3 was a mislynch then scum would have immediately won as Savant would have been able to instalynch hated Barney DP 4 and anyone else DP 5 and so on.
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@ILikePie5
Really? seems like it would be really overpowered in the hands of scum. My initial instinct is that it's almost always town, let me check the mafiascum wiki...
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@WyIted
Giving scum traditionally townie roles and vice versa may be a way to do that. I remember one of bsh's Beginner Series games having a mafia that was popular, for example.
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Okay I went back to reread parts of the DP and I am actually really confused at why certain posts say completely different words than I clearly remember them saying. I think maybe because I was at work for most of it and only ever looked at the game for a few minutes at a time.
I was right about the "I can role confirm" shit needing to stop though. I stand by that. If your role confirms your alignment that's one thing but come on. Just be normal, people.
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@Casey_Risk
That's not at all what I remember you saying. I think you went back in time and changed it.
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@WyIted
Elon Musk is an Afrikaner not a Jew.
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This isn't exactly a detective mystery. The wealth got siphoned off by vampires.
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I claim Hunter.
VTL DD
People going around with this "I can role confirm" shit is inexcusably weird. Just fucking weird. Like if I said I could "identify scum by the taste of their posts". It means nothing, it's just random fucking words. It's different if your role proves you to be town - that's called affiliation confirmation - but if I prove I am a watcher, for example, that doesn't prove shit. That can be town or scum. Why should anyone give a fuck? They shouldn't. Yet here you all are focusing on that phrase until it becomes fucking mimetic. Fucking weirdos. Dumb, yes, but mostly just weird.
So anyway, now to use my lynch-activated role.
Kill Casey
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@Owen_T
I can role confirm if I am put at L-1. I am at L-2, vote me real quick so we can move past this.
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@Savant
I just checked and I am not at L-1. You can vote for me.
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L-1? no way, don't I have 3 votes on me? let me check...
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Also Bill is likely scum anyway since wylted probably thinks he works for the Jewish cabal.
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I didn't notice Casey's claim until I saw Barney's post pointing it out. It's just too massively odd to let go.
Unvote VTL casey
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@Savant
The difference is not slight. What Casey described the role as matches perfectly with the very basic role of watcher, which Wylted would know as he has played for years and... again... very very basic role.
It would be like if someone said "I am Batman and my role is the vigilante. Because Batman is a super good detective I can investigate to see if someone is innocent or guilty". Like, that would need some explaining. Batman and vigilante fit perfect, Batman investigating people to see if they are guilty or innocent fits perfect, but there is already a role called vigilante and it doesn't do that and there is a well known role that does do that whose name could have been used.
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It is an incredibly out of place claim though. There is a role called reporter but it does something completely different and "you target someone you get to see who visits them" is a very basic role that already has a name. It is usually called watcher (if town aligned) or lookout (if mafia aligned).
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Or at the very least it is a believable justification.
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@Barney
I’m sus on that justification.Since Fox News isn’t news (like seriously, they outright argued in court that no one would mistake them for news), calling someone a reporter merely for having worked there is somewhat out of place.
Wylted is the mod. Casey is town.
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I'll claim if that's what you nerds really want. I'm not going to do it unless I know there are more than a few townies asking for it though.
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@ILikePie5
What is with this confirmable role meme you keep spamming? Am I wrong in remembering that you said you couldn't confirm your affiliation with it?
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Wow the org dedicated to cutting police funding doesn't want a cop as president. Who could have seen that coming? Greyparrot really laying the hard truths down.
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@JoeBob
I think his behavior at the end of page 2 and start of page 3 is clear scum behavior and explained why at the time.
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Okay well I uncovered pie as scum so I've done my part. Not sure what else there is for me to do.
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@JoeBob
I don't think Owen is pretending to be silenced.
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I get that it doesn't kill you but I am wondering if it is "the lynch failed keep playing" or "the lynch failed, stop posting and submit night actions".
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@Owen_T
So if we lynch you does it end the DP?
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@JoeBob
Oh I was confused. Nevermind that question then.
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@Owen_T
If you are silenced then press like on every post in this thread.
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@ILikePie5
Lunatic didn’t have the silencer before the switch.
Time travel.
you have yet to answer why not Owen, who has done nothing.
I explained why I targeted you for a claim in post 57.
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