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@3RU7AL
(IFF) you don't have a reason (THEN) you are by definition an un-reasonable person (a person who acts without reasons).
Should read as follows:
(IFF) you don't have a reason for your actions (THEN) you are by definition an un-reasonable person (a person who acts without reasons).
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Wylted- Limon - Langauge enforcer? (Post 89, 97 DP1)
Wtf is a language enforcer? Someone needs to tell me where I can find this mythical "drafterslist" you all speak so highly of.
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There is no reason to be dead set on any particular lynch train already when there are still multiple players not even posting yet.
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@Singularity
Just did Google translate. I am still confused
Some of the words don't translate perfectly in my PM either but if it says you win with the people then you are town. How many other players names are in your PM?
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@Bullish
<br>Did you claim miller with the intent to CC, intent to SOP claim, or intent to let the town know there might be multiple millers.
The third. If lunatic had not claimed miller I doubt I would have.
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Moment of silence for our environmental wacko hero, SirAnon, wjo has recently left the site. His diligence and forethought in correctly predicting this outcome have saved the environment from certain doom.
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@zedvictor4
I think that the Dicip… plays you at your own game.
Shhh don't break the fourth wall.
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Although like luna said all the cops are probably paranoid or insane lol. This will be a fun game.
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IF YOU ARE MILLER CLAIM NOW SO OUR COP DOESN'T WASTE A NIGHT LOOKING AT YOU
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VTL virtuoso
No posts yet, let's lynch this guy. If he is town he is probably just another miller so no loss.
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In light of the likelihood of multiple millers I am forced to agree with post 59.
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@drafterman
@Athias
Yes and no. It's more so "completion" orally or anally.
Okay so according to you the gays are behaving immorally if they jizz in each others butts/ears/mouths/whatever. What about pulling out?
It's immoral to get a vasectomy then?Non sequitur.
Your claim is that sexual acts are immoral if they can't cause a pregnancy. A vasectomy is an operation that is done specifically with the intent of causing all future sex acts to have no chance of pregnancy. I cannot think of anything that could possibly be more relevant.
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Meh, I suppose lynching a miller is better than potentially hitting someone with a role so I would be down to lynch lunatic if no better options present themselves.
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@Speedrace
With the caption "and we have a Miller" ? That makes no sense, why would I add that caption if I was trying to post my own PM?
You thought it was your PM, that was my theory. I already said this.
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Okay well GP and speed are probably town then. Bullish, explain your "obvious" scum read on lunatic please.
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@Athias
I didn't ask if you risked pregnancy every time you had sex I asked if you intended pregnancy every time you had sex. Your dodging of this question was neither cleverly done nor subtle.
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@Lunatic
Los pepes are kind of like vigilantes. They have good intentions but are brutal
Did my character actually work with them or am I misreading it somehow? A few words seem to have been translated poorly by google translate.
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@Lunatic
Greyparrots claim (if town) is like Pablo Escobar's most ruthless fvcked up assasin.
Is Pablo Escobar a bad guy? He is mentioned in my PM. I guess I "helped in the dead of his hitmen". I think this means I either helped kill his hitmen or helped cover up the killing of his hitmen or something.
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@Lunatic
What is your justification?
I worked with Los Pepes, which based on the context of my PM translation seems to be some sort of criminal organization.
It would be really dumb for DD to CC me if he was scum
Not really CCing so much as getting this out of the way ASAP. I buy the "multiple millers" as a possibility.
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So we might have multiple millers or TUF might be scum (claiming miller early on is as likely to come from town as scum). I am going to work now so no time to speculate further on this. Looking forward to the lynch mob pounding on my door when I return...
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Oh fuck just translated my role... Okay I know I am going out of order on the popcorn and I know why that is usually a bad thing but the town needs this info ASAP.
I am Javier Peña and I am... a Miller
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@Athias
Do you know what sodomy is?
Butt sex and blowjobs.
So you are saying tgat every time you have had sex you were doing so with the intent of getting a chick pregnant?
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Sure let's mass claim characters. I know nothing about the theme. Let me go try to figure out what my character and role is, brb.
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@Speedrace
Nobody got mad, you randomly and with no context posted a PM with drafters character at I time when I already suspected you and drafter of being scum buddies together. How do you not expect that to look like you accidentally posted your scum buddies role instead of your own?
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@Bullish
Along with 2 mafia kills and the DP 1 lynch.
That would have been fun lol
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@Athias
Infertile couples [usually] aren't responsible for their infertility/sterility. That's the difference.
It's immoral to get a vasectomy then?
Is old person sex immoral?
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@Greyparrot
@drafterman
@Bullish
@ILikePie5
@Zaradi
Now imagine if bullish was actually a vig.
And pie motivated him NP 2 and 3
Hehehe
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@Athias
you mean sexual acts that produce no reproductive utility such as sodomy, which is also condemned by some Christians.
I was actually referring to things like old people sex and relationships between infertile couples.
You are the one that brought up sodomy, not me. Freudian slip?
In the future you can ask a person to clarify what they meant if their meaning is unclear to you.
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@ebuc
If you want observe complicated you need look no further than post #20.
It really is quite simple actually. Your failure to grasp simple explanations is not a failure of the explanation itself. Nevertheless I will continue to proceed with utmost patience to demonstrate this simple thing to you.
We may begin by extrapolating further on the behavior of radials and anti-radials which was briefly touched upon earlier. As you should know already radials are a strictly sub-atomic macroscopic phenomenon. Anti-radial activity on the other hand can only be observed at the quantum level. One proposed explanation for this is that radials and anti-radials are in fact manifestations of two entirely seperate and unrelated phenomenon (for context it should be noted that the relationship between radials and anti-radials is not analogous to the relationship between matter and anti-matter but instead of a different nature entirely, which I may detail later). This theory is still not generally accepted but is gaining ground in some corners of the scientific community due to the failure of any experiments to explain the lack of radial/anti-radial harmony predicted by current theories. My personal opinion of this is that the answer likely lies somewhere within current models. From what I understand the problem is mostly to do with a lack of computing power moreso than any actual failure of the equations themselves but as computer engineering is not my area of expertise I won't go into that too much.
Regardless of how the above dilemma is resolved the fact remains that the existance of any non-propagational phenomenon which exists only at the quantum level (and even the new theories which rename anti-radials as 'nano-radials' accept that they are non-propagational) is a huge clue regarding the nature of dimensional relationship lines. Here I would go into more detail about how this relates to the Wheeler-DeWitt equation and quantum gravity but I don't have time to do so at the moment. Perhaps I will in a later post.
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@Athias
There are examples of sexual behaviors with no reproductive utility that are not condemned and examples of sexual behaviors with reproductive utility that are condemned so it can't possibly be that simple.
Dynasty's response (that the reason homosexuality is condemned is because it is specifically forbidden by god in the old testament) makes much more sense.
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@Lunatic
It doesn't calculate for behavior, behavior is acknowledged to not be mathematically calculable. Good play by town will make scum more likely to be lynched and good play by scum will make town more likely to be lynched but - and this really is the important part - if whoever is playing better is more likely to win, well... that is the whole point of the game anyway.
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@Zaradi
Lol hindsight glasses are solidly glued to people's faces here.
Only if you think I am faking my PM (post 33).
Why kill Me NP1 if I was a used one-shot? Just due to me being confirmed town? That is a good enough reason, if that is your reason, just curious.
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@Lunatic
This was originally balanced for 13, had to cut two roles. Balancing it slightly in favor of town is always better than mafia, especially in light of the mafia win streak lately. Plus I felt like the cop claim made up for it.
That's fair. Like I said 11 player game is genuinely difficult to balance and despite the balance being a bit off the actual modding was done well so no complaints here.
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Meanwhile in my PM early DP 2:
01.31.2020 2:53PMI like how this DP is going. No matter who is lying I can say I called out scum DP 1. One of the perks of calling out over half the players as scum DP 1 lol.01.31.2020 2:54PMWho do you think scum is?01.31.2020 2:57PMOh I have no idea lol but let's see who I called scum DP 1... GP, oro, drafter, singu, supa... That's just off the top of my head. At least one of those has to be right, right?
For real though Zaradi was obv scum the moment WP counter-claimed him. No way WP would do that as scum.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah your role and mine are like vig, used responsibly they help town (even if a vig kills a townie that still sometimes helps POE) but have the potential to hurt town as well if used wrong.
What was zaradis role?
Side note: I like how everyone was totally right about the "wylted would never do that except as a scum strategy out of respect for the game" analysis. Just another example of how behavior analysis always trumps everything else.
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@Speedrace
You were acting scummy af. Your comment about drafter "not wanting you to claim" (I don't recall him actually ever saying that) and you randomly posting a koopin role (seriously why?) had me convinced you and drafter were the scum team and that you were panicking and making slips (thought drafter told you in PM not to claim then that you posted his role when you meant to post your own because you had an alignment neutral role and were therefore willing to real-claim).
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Me in PM with lunatic DP 3:
01.31.2020 3:53PMOh I missed post 63 until now. So either the cop claim was a bus or GP is just acting incredibly scummy as town, which actually fits his town meta. Smells like a bus though given GPs fake claim and oros claim of self protection. Either way Zaradi scum af lol
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Random notes
Oromagi valued the secrecy of his role too highly. Even the most badass of roles will never win games. I have ranted on this subject previously... Roles don't win games. Lynches win games.
The popcorning out of order was frustrating. Just about everyone did this and it is very bad for a number of reasons.
Virt used the 'cop cover' concept incorrectly. Besides that I am not a huge fan of the idea in general, it has its pros and cons but I believe the pros are outweighed by the cons.
The bussing gambit here was way too risky given how far scum were from MyLo/LyLo. I think Zaradi was too desperate for "town cred" and also wrote off GP as a dead man too soon. Better play would have been to try to direct a DP 3 lynch elsewhere and allow town to lynch GP only if they are adamant about it as opposed to leading town to lynch GP.
Zaradi should have been lynched before WP based on behavior and claim analysis.
The town was overpowered. 2 scum and 9 town allows 3 mislynches but only 2 lynches were needed for scum to lose. On the other hand 3 scum would mean 2 mislynches would be allowed and 3 correct lynches needed to win. 11 player games are hard to balance. I think luna picked the right number of scum but maybe should have eased up on town PRs (disclaimer: I don't 'have access' to the doc in the OP and can't see what Zaradi or anyone who didn't claim was).
I am considering making a weekly mafia strategy thread series starting with the first four topics here (overvaluing ones role, popcorning, cop cover, and general scum play) as the first four weeks of topics.
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Brexit isn't done until the last Brexit meme dries up and dies, returning to the dark pit from whence it came.
I estimate another four years or so.
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Poetry as art - the last words of a dying transhuman (not my creation, comes from a video game):
Will there been an afterlife, I wonder? Choirs of angels? Or a fiery pit? One unlearns these falsehoods over time, but the child who learnt to fear hell is never really gone. To tell the truth, I think I had enough of afterlives as it is - this one has been pretty purgatorial. Almost fifty years floating in supercooled jelly like some medical specimen, thoughts creeping like rats through cramped silicon corridors of machines trapped behind video screens and camera systems. Never sleeping, never resting, never ceasing to think about the world I no longer belong to. No, if this is a taste of the afterlife, I think simple oblivion will do nicely.
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@ethang5
It often does yes. Damn shame, that. There is also the fact that most of my posts are genuinely humorless. When I see the opportunity for a well timed joke (such as post 65) or something funny just randomly pops into my head (such as post 60) then I generally take the opportunity but opportunities don't always present themselves and as this is a debate site rather than a comedy site I am not often inclined to create them myself.
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@ethang5
I don't often make jokes, but when I do... I prefer Dos Eq-
Er, no that's not right. Let me try again.
I don't often make jokes, but when I do...
No, no the moment passed just give up.
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