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The five-dimentional nature of the universe cannot be denied. At the quantum scale we see all possible relationship lines drawn. This is easily visualized even on a simple S1-S2 plane below:
S1------------S2
/ \ / \
/ / Y \ \
/ / | \ \
S3------------|---------------T
\ | /
\ | /
\ | /
QT
Note the necessary convergence of the S1-QT and S2-QT lines while the S3-QT line shows no such convergence. This is verified by recent measurements made as CERN.
At the macroscopic scale three of these lines disappear (S1-QT, S2-QT, and S3-QT). We are left with this:
S1------------S2
/ \ / \
/ / \ \
/ / \ \
S3----------------------------T
/
/
/
QT
Note there is no longer any necessary convergence of the S1-QT and S2-QT lines because neither of these lines exist past the macroscopic scale. This partially explains the effects of quantum gravity on temporal equations without the need for invoking any additional theories. In addition all "exponential images" drafterman brought up all align with this model, whereas not a single one of them aligns with the "pi time" model.
Examining this closer we also have several examples of anti-radial activity ceasing once measurements pass upward from the quantum to the macroscopic boundary. This anti-radial activity must therefore be connected in some way to the necessary convergence noted above.
The macroscopic boundary, by the way, is generally accepted to be between 10•4.19^21 and 10•6.88^22 plank units, so roughly 10 to 100 times the diameter of a proton. We do not have insturments precise enough for an exact plank measurement of radial phenomenon and likely never will due to quantum uncertainty so this rough estimate is as close as we can get for now and in fact we probably won't be able to get any more precise barring some unforeseen breakthrough in the field.
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I honestly don't understand this "everyone 100% has to have higher education" meta we have going on here. After highschool that shit is optional. I litterally have an open offer from the government offering to pay my school expenses and also give me a small monthly check if I go to school which I am saving for later use because I need to go to work to pay fuckin' bills. Idk how you kids are planning on doing this shit without such an offer. Live with your parents or in dorms? Why would you willingly do either of those things? I don't understand.
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@Barney
Thanks to recent field testing the ontalogical argument for _____ being scum now has an official 100% success rate.
I see a bright future for this flawless argument, which should probably be given a shorter name now. Henceforth it shall be refered to as the "Ontalogical Argument For Finding Scum" (OA-FFS for short, can be further shortened to 'the FFS argument' in emergencies).
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@BrotherDThomas
YOUR CONTINUED ODD USE OF COMMUNICATION:
.Discipulus_Didicit,
MY RESPONSE:
Yeah that is my name, ppl already know I am the one you are referring to in that post because you tagged me. The artificially inserted white space is weird too. Mopac also does that and never told me why when I asked.
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@BrotherDThomas
YOUR INTENTIONALLY COMEDIC AND CONFUSING MANNER OF SPEAKING:
YOUR [INSERT WORDS HERE] QUOTE:
MY RESPONSE:
Dude, why?
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@ronjs
What is the issue you wish addressed?
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@ethang5
I don't even know what the atheist means by "timeless", and I doubt it makes sense.
Equally relevant no matter the time period in which it is considered, ex. "George Lucas's Star Wars trilogy is a timeless classic"
Welcome to the English language.
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I have been meaning to do this poll for well over two years now but the poll section of DDO has always been shit and it looks like this site will not have one any time soon so I'll just make it in the forums. There will be three yes-or-no questions asked, please answer all or none of them. The originally planned version would have had eight options representing the eight possible answer combinations. The questions are as follows:
1) Were you raised in the United States?
2) If yes to question 1 have you ever spent a significant (three consecutive months or more) period of time living outside the United States? If no to question 1 have you ever spent a significant (three consecutive months or more) living inside the United States?
3) Do you believe that American society is - on average - more racist than the rest of the world?
An example of a well formatted answer would be the following:
1) Yes2) Yes3) NoAdditional details (optional)
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Biologically speaking it is a lot easier to be a man. Socially speaking there are pros and cons to both (at least in modern western society, much different case obviously in places like China or the Middle East). Which would I prefer? Hard to say, I have only ever tried the one.
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@n8nrgmi
so are you saying that the bible says slavery is wrong or a sin, but that God gave clear instructions on how to partake of that sin?
It's like if there was a verse that said "Incest is a sin buuut if you really must do incest keep it limited to hanjobs, blowjobs, and 69ing. No anal or vaginal".
Do we see anything like that? No, the book instead says "Incest is a sin FULL STOP".
Or "idol worship is a sin buuut if you really must worship idols at least make sure it is one of these specially permitted ones in the below verses and also make sure to keep worshiping me at the same time".
What we see instead is "Worshiping idols is a sin FULL STOP".
Incest and idol worship are clearly prohibited. That didn't stop either of these things from occuring but they were clearly prohibited anyway. The idea that "clearly prohibiting slavery would not have stopped slavery and therefore would have been pointless to do" is contradicted by these examples.
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@blamonkey
@drafterman
Drafterman,
Some of our more conventional posters - such as ebuc - have rejected the premise of "backward flowing time" due to its unverifiable nature within standard causation. It is important to remember though that when examining the basic principles of temporal mechanics that causation is not always standardized. Therefore I reject the idea of anti-time for other reasons.
This is actually in part the reason that the proposed pi time laid out so clearly in the OP has caught on so well with so many of the laypersons of this site. The problem is that it simply does not match with the mathematics, as my esteemed colleague blamonkey can attest. He an I have our differences on other matters that I am sure he will bring up but the fact remains that pi time has a number of flaws mathematically speaking.
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@ethang5
Did god have the power to add a verse saying "Slavery is not permitted under any circumstances"?Do you think that would have stopped slavery? Really?
No of course not, but it would have stopped the Israelites from doing it and set a clear example for people thousands of years later (us) as to what gods moral standard was (assuming slavery is against his moral standard that is).
You are the one claiming this text is timeless and perfect with no need for revision, not me.
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@ronjs
You're the one saying that the idea that genocide is justified matches with reality, not me.
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@drafterman
@ebuc
Have no idea what your two "temporal dimensions" are.
Ebuc, this is basic stuff.
Temporal means time. There are two dimensions of time, the temporal dimension found within spacetime and the temporal dimension of quantum time. This combines with the three spatial dimensions to make a total of five. The relationship lines between these five dimensions can be drawn to show the perceptual differences at the macroscopic and quantum scales.
This cannot even be denied.
The *exponential images* referred to by drafterman in his post demonstrate this but do not get to the core of the issue (he understands the results but not the cause). When attempting to view something at the quantum level with a macroscopic device the three spatial-QT relationship lines exist on one level but not the other, thus *exponential images* appear to be the result according to our macroscopic perception. This is not an influence of the *heart* but instead a natural result of the breakdown of the relationship lines during the transit of information.
This should be quite easy for you to understand, ebuc. Do I really need to lay out the actual equations for you?
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@ethang5
Do you think the UN advocates war? “Allows” war? I bet you aren't confused when it’s the UN regulating something considered wrong. Lol.
Does the UN have the power to end all wars forever?
Did god have the power to add a verse saying "Slavery is not permitted under any circumstances"?
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@n8nrgmi
on a side note. ive heard people say the bible only allows servants from people who owe you money.
This is a common claim due to the fact that it is partially true. Jews were forbidden from enslaving their fellow Jews but permitted to enslave foreigners at will. The "seven years indentured servitude then release them" plan applied only to other Jews.
The Deut. 24-7 verse quoted by Ethang5 above, for example... Note the words "a fellow Israelite" in the verse. An important note, not just fluff.
Basically pay very close attention to the wording and you will see some rules clearly apply to fellow Jews and some rules clearly apply to foreigners. This is particularly clear in the verses quoted in the OP.
It is important to keep in mind historical context when reading the old testament. It was written by the Jews for the Jews, this idea of god not really caring what race you are only starts to appear in the new testament.
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Yeah I confirmed already and guess luna didn't see me ask to hold. Oh well.
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Phone at 4% with no way to charge. May log off randomly.
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@Speedrace
Okay glad you are online. Link the game before I confirm my action in PM
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@Lunatic
We're done here. Execute order 66 on speed.
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I suspected a speed-drafter team even before seeing that spped fucked up and accidentally posted his buddies role (drafters role) because of speed giving "drafter doesn't want me to claim" as his reason for not claiming.
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(To the tune of Yankee Doodle)
Speed-y racer lied to town
Fake claiming all the waaay
Then DD executed him
The town all shouted yaaay
Speed-y racer just give up
Speed-y racer dandy
You've just been caught DP 1
Cuz you've been playing baaadly
(Drafter is his partner btw)
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@drafterman
The reason my PM does not have an affiliation statement is most likely because Geo's PM did not in the endgame thread my role was taken from and lunatic just C/P'd from there. I did not ask lunatic who I win with because I already know that if I was mafia then he would tell me who my buddies were and he did not do so.
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@Dr.Franklin
What I am getting at is that because nobody made a serious response it is illogical to conclude that anyone is "taking this seriously"
The only exception is possibly alec, but nobody takes him seriously so...
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At least one scum, statistically speaking probably both, has made their fake claim by now. Will reread with the goal of examining the way in which everyone claimed later (willingly/unwillingly, before-mass-claim-suggestiom/after-mass-claim-suggestion wait-their-turn/out-of-turn, etc.)
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@Dr.Franklin
Yeah people are taking is super seriously, like...
*Looks around and sees no evidence of anyone taking it seriously*
Nevermind.
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Okay I think the fact that VTNL got 4 votes within about a half hour is definitely something to look back on in later DPs. I wonder if I can "exacute" a vtnl? Hmmm...
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The three spatial dimensions are tied into the two temporal dimensions in a 5-point 10-line relationship. Because three of these relationship lines do not exist on the macroscopic scale (S1-QT, S2-QT, and S3-QT) our direct experience does not precisely match with the particle interactions that occur at the quantum level.
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Besides the "I don't think we will be able to get a lynch on 20 hours so may as well VTNL" is ridiculous on its face. There is no harm in trying to get a lynch if you are okay with lynching a certain person and if that attempt does turn out unsuccessful then the DP just ends in a no lynch lynch so who cares?
And now I have made four posts in a row because of this "zomg no y u edit post no that so bad" thing.
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No changes from my last reads list so far other than maybe bump drafter down a bit and speed up a bit ( I honestly can't remember why for either of these things, just kind of a 'I remember remembering' type of feeling I will have to reread to see if I can figure out why my brain is saying this).
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@drafterman
<br>I'm fine with you using your power on GP or Water. But the second you have a good scum read on someone they'll NK you out of fear.
Sadly I am only a 1-shot, though this is a good point I will try to make my reads very clear to town so they might be able to guess why I am killed in the night if I am.
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Unvote vtl gp
But if water logs in he should character claim immediately.
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Also lynching WP for 'whatever random reason' is also something I would be okay with as I said before.
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@drafterman
Oh yeah. Well, I think we should decide on a lynch rather than get more claims. I don't really have a strong read on anyone, with the spillage and replacements has everything messed up.
Having strong reads is a scum tell, trying to push an agenda.
Having no reads is a scum tell, trying to avoid disagreeing with people to avoid drawing attention to self.
DRAFTER HAS NO READS SCUM CONFIRMED
In seriousness I would rather lynch GP than VTNL. Mislynch is not the end of the world, we can afford at least two mislynches (possibly three, depends on whether bullish is vig). If GP is scum I want him dead. If GP is town I don't want next DP to be wasted talking about him instead of focusing on other players. Lynching GP seems like a win-win to me and I would rather not waste my role making it happen (as I could right now if I wanted) so let's make it happen with a regular lynch.
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There isn't really any textbook way to read someone though, and sometimes you have a gut feeling on someone, and trying to explain it in words doesn't really make a good enough argument to get others to lynch that person, and in this game, trying to push a lynch requires debate skills, and the ability to convince others of a point.
It really does come down to this though. Unless role claims are involved the best reads tend to be gut reads and "I have a gut feeling" is rarely very convincing so townies are forced to make stuff up to convince others, otherwise no lynch happens.
I could easily find examples of myself being guilty of both 23 and 24 as scum for example despite these being contradictory. I know that is the whole point of the thread, so I guess my point is just that I agree lol.
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@drafterman
I was referencing the fact that oro was the first to get popcorned and ended up not claiming until almost everyone else stepped out of line first to do so.
Eh, maybe you can think of a better way to word it.
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The ontological argument for _______ being scum. Just fill in the blank with a random name for 100% accurate scumhunting.
- It is possible for a maximum _______ scum to exist.
- If a maximum _______ scum possibly exists then it exists in some possible mafia game.
- If a maximum _______ scum exists in some possible mafia game then it exists in all possible mafia games.
- If a maximum _______ scum exists in all possible mafia games then they exist in this mafia game.
- If a maximum _______ scum exists in this mafia game then _______ is scum.
#OPstrats
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@drafterman
Need to make a new meme for this game.
"Hey everyone let's popcorn claim"First to get popcorned ends up being last to claim.
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Mestari: Please submit night actions.
Clever scum: Nah, I'm good.
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@ronjs
- The word "true" means "matches with reality"
- If you take a subjective opinion and say that it is 'true for only a certain person' then you are saying that particular opinion 'matches reality for only a certain person'.
- If you are saying that something can match reality for one person but not for another then you are by definition saying that their realities are different and therefore that reality is subjective.
Therefore the phrase "This thing is true for one person and not another" is the same as the phrase "Reality is subjective".
Assuming we accept that reality is objective then any subjective opinion (ex. 'the color blue is pretty cool or 'dogs are better than cats') cannot be true or false. Any objective opinion (ex. 'it is raining outside' or 'god exists') by definition must be true or false.
This is how words work.
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@Zaradi
I haven't been mafia on DART, yet, so youd have to dig through DDO games for that.
I thought the whole point was for you to dig through old DDO games for me =(
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@WaterPhoenix
It'd be pretty stupid for mafia I think, and the role pm seems to be the same as my role pm (but maf might also be the same). And if disc is town conf then oro is also town conf
1) I am not town confirmed. If you think I am then you are wrong but please feel free to explain why you think this is the case.
2) When I am town confirmed this will not confirm oromagi. If you think me being town confirmed confirms oro then you are wrong but please feel free to explain why you think this is the case.
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@Zaradi
Now I'm thinking about popcorn flavored pie. What's wrong with me?
Nothing at all, except for the fluff and the fact that you replaced one of my scum reads. Link me to some of your games as town and as mafia, more recent the better.
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Oro is too salty about being tricked into claiming to popcorn (salt/popcorn pun totally intended). What do we do in this case? Have drafter popcorn someone since he never got a chance to maybe?
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@Dr.Franklin
Yes Kobe is dead, very sad
I guess he was famous or something right? I think I remember hearing his name said before by people. Possibly something to do with sports.
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