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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Post 525....I did full claim lol
ILikePie5, I did see that post the first time around but check it again. You don't mention your character just your justification.
Lunatic, I think he probably thought he full claimed there in his head after forgetting to put the name with the justification. Because it was only a few posts later that he did give his character when asked then assuming that character was actually in the military I think this is an innocent mistake.
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@ILikePie5
Role cop, cool. Easy to confirm (though obviously the old addage 'role confirmation is not affiliation confirmation' is especially true with this case).
Did you forget to character claim or did I simply gloss over it?
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@Bullish
Pie has claimed. I would like you to do so now.
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@Speedrace
You say in the OP that there are three teams. Besides the three wincons assigned to those three teams do any other wincons exist in this game?
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@Vader
Do you have a copy of Singularities PM or does it simply say in your PM that she is town?
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@Lunatic
Her behavior seems similar as it was in the last game I played with her in where we were both scum. Very over-confident with the illogicality, like she knows she can get away with it.
Okay I will keep that in mind. I have not played any games with her on this site and if I ever did on DDO (now that we know she is Danielle) then it was years ago and I don't remember it.
Supa says that she is confirmed town in his PM though. Usually lovers are told each others alignments even when one is mafia. Lete try something...
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@Lunatic
Other than the whole lover thing with singularity and supa, her behavior is pretty scummy.
I disagree. 90% of the things she has said she has said have been blatantly incorrect but I don't see anything scummy about anything she said.
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@ILikePie5
It’s a policy. There’s nothing scummy
Fine by me. You caught up yet? Have you posted your reads?
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This is not about strategy. This is about Sir's behaviour which entails he has insider knowledge that scum is more likely to possess.
Which post indicates that SirAnon has insider knowledge?
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@Speedrace
<br>ILikePie5 - GreyParrot, drafterman
GreyParrot - SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5, Lunatic, GreyParrot
GP is double voting scum confirmed.
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@Greyparrot
<br>I think town should do the right thing and lynch me and let luna get a win cause I don't want to die NP3.
This is a legitimate option if no better lynch candidates are available.
By the way, mind giving us some reads before offing yourself?
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@SirAnonymous
So now you're stuck in a game you can't win?
Honestly this makes me trust him more than if he was capable of joint winning. If he was able to joint win then there is always the chance he may play pro-town, even actually be pro-town at first, but then turn against us at the last second if a mafia win seemed inevitable.
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@Vader
That’s Sir’s fault for putting unneeded pressure.
Mind giving us a link to the post where Sir did this?
Also reads please.
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@Lunatic
I'll vote wherever you want senpai.
✓
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Sir put no uneeded pressure you just kept hinting at your role.
Lmao, this. SirAnon said, about 5 or 6 times, "please stop giving information about your roles people" and this is interpreted as SirAnon pressuring people to reveal their roles. SMH.
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Actually he could be scum partners with GP and pulled this gambit
The tunneling is strong in this one.
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@Lunatic
<br>But this is going to be excruciating.
Well there is the "or when the timer runs out" aspect. DPs are only 72 hours so not too terrible. I get that it is meant to encourage activity and I don't mind the waiting even after a sure lynch aspect but what you said about it preventing quickhammers is a negative impact on the game imo.
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@oromagi
I'm still counting but it looks like post #126, Pie forgot to unvote before VTL'ing GP. Later on, Speed says to drafter "no need to unvote" Do we know what unvote rules are in play?
At the time I assumed that speed meant that he would take care of removing your last vote if you just vtl someone else. Obviously I am not speed so that may have been an incorrect assumption. Given the dependance of this setup on voting mechanics I recommend you tag speed with that question or ask him in PM.
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@oromagi
I'm still counting but it looks like post #126, Pie forgot to unvote before VTL'ing GP. Later on, Speed says to drafter "no need to unvote" Do we know what unvote rules are in play?
At the time I assumed that speed meant that he would take care of removing your last vote if you just vtl someone else. Obviously I am not speed so that may have been an incorrect assumption. Given the dependance of this setup on voting mechanics I recommend you tag speed with that question or ask him in PM.
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@Lunatic
didn't see the one on pie. Brief reminder or link?
I have a null read on pie, drafter scum read him and we agreed to a sort of comprise. Post 258 iirc.
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@Lunatic
We will see what Speedrace says I guess. I personally think that rule is pretty dumb, and ruins the excitement/strategy around quick hammering, punishing active players with the inactive.
I agree with this and I feel kind of dirty for "tricking" you in such a way but, you know... I got a wincon I need fulfilled.
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@SirAnonymous
This explains the balance issue. GP being suicidal was to counterbalance Lunatic being a lyncher.
Holy crap, it is almost like the whole time me and drafter have been going on about how balance analysis is retar- *ahem* not useful because of the possibility of there being features that town is not aware of was actually fucking spot on.
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@Greyparrot
@Bullish
@ILikePie5
@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
DP is not over yet. See above.
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@oromagi
Okay only just now noticed post 388. Thank you.
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
@Vader
@oromagi
@Singularity
From the OP:
I end DPs and judge activity by votes. DP only ends when there is a majority lynch AND everyone is voting -OR- due to time limit.
Not everyone is voting yet so neither of these conditions has been met. People tagged are people on greys waggon. I request that these people unvote immediately.
I pretended to have forgotten this detail from the mod in post 376 because I was still not really convinced of the GP-is-scum idea and was sure that lunatic was doing something fishy that I hoped would slip during the following pseudo-twilight. A long shot I know, frankly I am amazed it actually happened.
So can we stop screwing around now and focus on the bullish vs pie train? Please? Thank you.
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@Barney
@Bullish
@ILikePie5
@warren42
@WaterPhoenix
Need y'all to give reads after catching up.
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Nah don't hammer yet guys. Leave at L-2 for now. Still plenty of time in DP and a few ppl need to catch up and give thoughts.
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@TheRealNihilist
Why use the word "locals"?
Easier to spell than "Hong Kongians".
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@oromagi
I have no recollection where I picked it up from
Yeah okay like I said same with me lol.
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@oromagi
with a maximum human carrying capacity of 2 billion.
I remember reading somwhere (don't ask where, too long ago to remember) that the max carrying capacity of Earth for hunter-gatherer humans is about 500-750 million. Do you happen to recall whether this 2 billion figure based on hunter-gathering humans too and if so where you got it from? I am interested in reading more on the topic.
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@Singularity
You all made lunatic lose his day cop ability. Nice job
He literally just said that he had a town read on GP and only used his ability on him in the hopes of clearing him of suspicion.
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@drafterman
If it's a bus then that still means GP is scum anyway.
This is a truism so I am forced to agree.
I don't see how there is any other reasonable option than to lynch Grey and go from there.
Agree, if only because on the off chance that this is some gambit (perhaps there is a yakuza between pie and bullish and lunatic is scum falsely accusing GP to get attention off of them and on to him? Long shot but who knows?) There is always the fact that, as GP mentioned, even if he is town voting for him is basically a VTNL.
Doesn't change my other thoughts. Still think there is scum on the wagon and we can deal with that tomorrow.
Agree.
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@ludofl3x
Well I don't believe any of the supernatural claims in the bible but mopac does, maybe you can take it up with him since he also likes to pick and choose some parts to just be metaphor lol.
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Also before anyone tries to paint this as a vindication of balance analysis please ask yourself whether you think a town lover pair and a mafia recruiter is balanced in a 3-9-1 game. No? You don't think that is balanced? I didn't think you would. A mafia recruiter helps scum WAY more than a suicidal townie hurts town.
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@drafterman
The results are just too much to be fake.
Given the rarity of day-based roles my instincts say bus, with the 1x claim as a ready excuse for why mafia don't shank him, but that is likey just the paranoia talking. His reasoning for choosing GP as a target (That GP was acting town but under attack and he wanted to clear him) is solid. Sounds like something I would do. Will have to see greys flip.
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@Lunatic
Okay give me a minute to review before possibly changing my vote. I am glad you did not waste role cop ability on me, my role is confirmable (role confirmation is not affiliation confirmation of course but then you claimed role cop, not cop, so targeting me would in fact have been a waste).
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@Stephen
Its the identity of the "serpent" I am asking about.
There are a few different thoughts on the matter. A litteral reading of the account suggests it is just a random snake, nobody special.
Ask many Christians today and they will claim that it is Satan in disguise, as you mentioned.
Ask the people that actually wrote the damn story and they will tell you that it is a metaphor as Etrnl said above.
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it might like spread or something.
Best description of a virus that I have ever read.
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@drafterman
That means convincing other people on a course of action. And one of the Aristotlean aspects of argumentation is pathos or appeal to emotion. We all make mistakes or engage in fallacies or just simply have different points of view. But we aren't going to get anywhere by calling other people, their suggestions or positions "retarded."
Oh I am sure this message is not aimed at anyone in particular lol.
*Sigh* okay fine I will try to be less of an asshole from now on.
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@Bullish
@warren42
Tagging everyone with this message then I am going to stop posting for a bit.
Everyone that has been active should slow down for a bit to allow people that have not yet been active to catch up. Not saying to stop playing, just... You know... Take a goddamn chill pill okay?
Further I would like everyone who is caught up to state who they would prefer to lynch between bullish and pie (see post 258). I will state now that I prefer to lynch bullish.
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
@Singularity
Tagging everyone with this message then I am going to stop posting for a bit.
Everyone that has been active should slow down for a bit to allow people that have not yet been active to catch up. Not saying to stop playing, just... You know... Take a goddamn chill pill okay?
Further I would like everyone who is caught up to state who they would prefer to lynch between bullish and pie (see post 258). I will state now that I prefer to lynch bullish.
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@Vader
@WaterPhoenix
@SirAnonymous
Tagging everyone with this message then I am going to stop posting for a bit.
Everyone that has been active should slow down for a bit to allow people that have not yet been active to catch up. Not saying to stop playing, just... You know... Take a goddamn chill pill okay?
Further I would like everyone who is caught up to state who they would prefer to lynch between bullish and pie (see post 258). I will state now that I prefer to lynch bullish.
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@SirAnonymous
This is going to sound weird, but what's bothering me is that you're town reading me.
Nothing wrong with that. Perfectly natural townie paranoia.
If your theory is right, then I should be a good suspect,
My town read of you had nothing at all to do with your vote on GP, it was based on other factors. I do not remember the specifics but I can go back and re-read to remind myself if you would like.
especially given my abominable play at the beginning that influenced the lovers to claim.
Scum reading someone for 'abominable play' is retarded. It is just as possible for town to play poorly as for scum to play poorly. Also for the record you didn't force anyone out. Singularity and Supadudz outted voluntarily. Whether that was a smart move on their part is a discussion for another time, point is it was them not you.
Hope that clears things up.
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@Singularity
<br>In previous games if you tell him he is scum, he comes after you. In this game, I call him scum and he avoids interactions with me.
Do you have any links to such games? In my experience GP is relatively passive as either alignment.
Avoiding interacting with people that scum read me is also something I generally do as town too unless there are enough people scum reading me that I might be mislynched. This is in order to avoid fluffing up the DP with trivialities and drawing attention to theories I know to be innacurate (due to me being town). As scum I prefer for people to scum read me early on so that I can use that as a spark to light the fuse of drama which I can manipulate to my advantage.
But of course everyone has their own style. Whether you have any links that affirm your claim that GPs style is what you say it is is the question.
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@drafterman
<br>You literally accused him of being a Jester type role (that wins if they get lynched) and then voted to lynch him.
I believe someone mentioned earlier that this action by Supa town confirms him. I would second that conclusion.
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@SirAnonymous
What do you think of drafter's theory that scum are on GP's lynch?
Just got done reading that post and I think it is well thought out. In fact our (drafter and I) belief that scum must be on GPs lynch combined with my strong town read on you is the main reason he and I agreed that todays today should be either pie or bullish.
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@Vader
Would you be willing to go along with your partner in post 287?
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@Singularity
<br>So you town read GP based on the fact that...
All I did was point out that your scum read on him was illogical. My strongest town reads at the moment are (in no particular order) siranon, supa, singularity, and drafter.
balance analysis is useless and we can just ignore things like counter claims because shit like that is also a part of balance analysis?
While it is true that balance analysis is useless (obviously) I have not used that fact as a premise for any of my positive reads. I have only used that as a premise for dismissing the illogical scum read on GP. I would like to invite you a second time to provide any non-balance-analysis-based reasoning you may have to scum read him.
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@Singularity
Do I need to break the post down line by line?
If you insist on saying that the reason you scum read GP is due to balance analysis then yes this is exactly what I wish for you to do. If you have some other reason for scum reading him that you have not yet revealed then thiss will not be necessary due to the fact that 220 was specifically meant to address the balance analysis point.
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@Singularity
You gave no behavioral analysis [on GP]
Right, I simply proved that your 'balance analysis' was retarded. That is all that I set out to do. So unless you have some other reason to scum read GP please drop your tunneling of him.
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