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@Bullish
@ILikePie5
Y'all should vote for each other to speed this up.
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@SirAnonymous
I think we have enough people to lynch either Pie or Bullish. It's just that half of us prefer one lynch and the other half prefer the other.
I have a pretty strong town read on everyone on both wagons despite the fact that scum has had plenty of time to get on either train. Maybe they are both mafiosos? I still prefer bullish but will switch to pie if needed.
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It was sad that WP accidentally killed himself but the lynch on supa was made fair and square. Moral of the story is to trust your early gut feelings unless given good and specific reason not to, and my early gut feeling this game is that we should shank bullish.
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@SirAnonymous
Yup found it right before supa mentioned it. Anthropoda mafia. Here is DP 1:
Water ended up claiming scum (it was his first game iirc) and supa was caught as hos buddy based on a very minor slip early in DP 1. Supa was lynched immediately DP 2 but if town had not done so they may have talked themselves out of a good lynch that was based on a solid gut feeling by myself and wylted.
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@SirAnonymous
DART. Most of the DDO mafia games are fossilized by now.
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@Vader
Yo do you remember the name of that game where wylted and I caught you and your scum buddy DP 1 on like page 3 or 4? I need to show it to my mentee SirAnon.
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@SirAnonymous
Actually I have a perfect example of a game where the concept bullish is trying to communicate is well demonstrated. Gimmie a min to dig it up.
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@warren42
Okay, just don't be to lazy to type 'vtl bullish' once you are caught up.
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@SirAnonymous
I would guess those stats are heavily skewed because many short DPs are short because they have scum who were confirmed by the flip of the last player lynched, so I don't think correlation equals causation here.
In my experience even on DP 1 going with your gut and lynching early is generally a good thing for much the same reasons that bullish is saying now. It is one of the reasons I feel confident of my read on him that was based on him making a single post with less than 20 words.
He is right, no need to talk ourselves out of a good lynch that we spot early on.
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@warren42
This is not a full (or real) claim
Omfg this is taken care of immediately after. I am not going to ask that you shut up until fully caught up -I have actually said the opposite and stand by it - but at least read 2-3 pages at a time rather than 2-3 posts at a time.
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@warren42
Didn't even realize I did until you pointed it out. Just habit to fix my bad grammar, I have been trying hard not to and as you can see by all my non-mafia posts that I edit 80% or so of I have been doing a decent job... I will continue to try to be good.
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@Mopac
I can't bear the feeling of being blameless in your merciful eyes while in my own eyes it is clear exactly where the blame for all those lives that were ended truly belong.
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@Bullish
Yeah, get crackin' on that counter wagon buddy. Come up with a decent fake claim for us while you are at it, you have had 48 hoirs to do so.
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@SirAnonymous
He means that he intends to delay the lynch by not voting if we vote for him.
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@Mopac
Yes, you are right. I was an idiot. It was so idiotic of me to think that my actions would not have consequences. Now they are all dead by my hand. Can I ever be forgiven?
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@Mopac
You're right I am guilty of genocide, yes. I have personally murdered thousands of people and helped in the murder of hundreds of thousands more. It grieves my soul and makes it impossible for me to look at myself in the mirror. May god have mercy on my soul.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@warren42
@SirAnonymous
Alright let's get this over with. Put your vote somewhere so we can end this. Preferably on bullish.
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In that case it's probably not worth it. After five years, I doubt you'd behave in the same way.
Same thoughts here. Guess we ought to just lynch bullish for now.
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@Bullish
We only have 26 hours left. I need to decide whether you are todays lynch or I should reveal a new theory of mine. Please link me a couple of your town and scum games from the past to help me decide.
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@Mopac
Are you able to say this sentence?:
Magic exists only as an illusion/deception and nothing more.
You are implying it but you are not saying it, probably because you don't believe it but you want people to think that you do.
I can say it just fine because I believe it. Let's hear you say it.
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@Bullish
When did MLK ever say not to lynch Greeks?
And before you reply something about "all men being created equal" keep in mind that well over 50% of Greeks are not men.
/in btw
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@Mopac
Witchcraft you can pretty much equate with magical arts.
Oh right, forgot you believe in magic.
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Obvious parody is obvious.
Not all parody is trolling.
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Speedrace (Captain America: Civil War)
Sign-ups
TUF- Recycled Roles mafia
In the Hopper
ILikePie5 - Pick 1: Narcos, Riverdale, Bakugan Battle Brawlers
warren- open setup, likely themeless
Zaradi - D&D
Virtuoso
Bullish (Memes of the 2010's)
SupaDudz- Total Drama Island
drafterman
Discipulus_Didicit - Star Control (no bastard mechanics)
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@SirAnonymous
Just checked, he claimed lover in post 72 (i misremembered it being page 2 but it was early page 3).
He didn't say the word 'lover' but it was obvious in that post what he was claiming. Same as if a watcher said "I can see everyone that targets a person at night" but never uses the word 'watcher'. So yeah Supa full claimed his role on post 72.
Are you saying that you disagreeing with supa in a few posts prior to post 72 caused supa to make post 72?
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@SirAnonymous
What did you post in page 1 or 2 that "caused Supa/singu to out?"
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@SirAnonymous
Yes, it took me a while to realize the consequences of what I'd done.
You are litterally saying that what you did in pages 3 through 6 caused Supa to out himself on page 2. That isn't how cause and effect works.
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@Barney
oromagi for his odd reply to my suggestion of people voicing they win with town
I must have missed this.
I win with town.
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Okay post 724 has me leaning slight town on warren. He was basically told to do less work and I think as scum he would have just said 'yeah okay I'll do less work' and went off the tl;dr from his mafioso buddies in whatever chat speed set up for them since the site doesn't allow group PMs.
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@Barney
I’m wondering if the theme will suggest who is scum. Right now no one from team Iron Man has been revealed. Not suggesting people role claim, but team claim might be a safe way to narrow things down for scum hunting.So team cap.
There are 9 townies, how many people were with the captain in the movie? (Never watched the whole thing, just bits and pieces).
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@SirAnonymous
Throughout pages 3 through 6, Supa had been trying to argue that GP's claim was scummy and that it made the game imbalanced. I had been arguing that GP's claim wasn't scummy or imbalanced. The problem was that the reason Supa thought it was imbalanced was because of his own role. So in order to convince me and others that GP's role made the game imbalanced, he revealed his own role.
Yeah okay except he revealed on page 2 lol.
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@Mopac
Rebellion against God is as the sin of witchcraft.
So is the word witchcraft just another term for rebellion against god then?
I am expecting your usual non-committal type of response that refuses to provide a clear yes or no while providing several blocks of text designed to distract from the fact that the question is not being given an answer but feel free to surprise me.
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I have made you like god
I have made you god
Yup. Seems like basically the same thing to me lol. Nothing to see here, move along...
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@SirAnonymous
I am re-reading based on a new hypothesis. Please help me with something, since this is such a long DP I may have missed this and have enough other things I am looking for as it is...
Supa has made two claims. 1) That you pressured him and singu into revealing and 2) That you admitted to applying said pressure. Claim one seems false to me but claim two is clearly true. Could you explain what posts of yours you made before their reveal that you believe pressured them and why? Thanks.
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@Bullish
Please post a reads list at your earliest convenience.
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I live 20 mins from Detroitnice
Sarcasm or proof that Vaarka is a native of Bizarro world from the DCU?
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@Bullish
you just contradicted yourself. In the last paragraph you just said GP is passive. I said her excessive passiveness toward someone who she should know to be scum is indicative of her own scumminess, and you said being passive is her meta. Now you're saying that I'm misrepresenting GP's play even though you just agreed that she is being passive. How can you agree with my representation of Grey's play then immediately claim that I'm misrepresenting her? Are you saying you are also misrepresenting her play?
I am saying that your claim that "GP definitely would not just lay down and take the lynch if he was town" is a false one.
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Hopefully there is no doubt about my gender after appearing on webcam in the Hangouts several times. Thinking back I am almost 97% sure that I was wearing pants every time but still.
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GP is well known for being a relatively passive player most of the time. This is not necessarily a bad thing - he definitely does have good scumreading ability in my experience - but it is an aspect of his style that should be kept in mind when playing with him.Link to the game?
Uh, sure. I know that it is useless to try to convince scum that they are scum but I'll post this for anyone reading.
The point is that what you are saying is in-character for GP is very much the opposite of GPs actual behavior.
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@Vader
147 first reads
I did notice those but that was a long time ago and I was hoping for some updates, which you have now given. Thank you.
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DON'T LYNCH
Discipulus_Didicit - The mafia did not allow him on their team because they were so jealous of his sharp wit and good looks.
Greyparrot - He will be jumping off a bridge this weekend anyway, no need to waste a lynch on him.
Lunatic - Non joint winning TP has pledged to help town. Based on his personality taking this pledge at face value is reasonable but even if he doesn't help town he has no incentive to help scum due to not being able to win with them.
SupaDudz/Singularity - The likelihood that they are a scum team gambiting seems low at this point but even if they are it will be revealed in a few days by their lack of dying. If they are telling the truth then scum won't let them live for long since they can kill two townies with one shot.
drafterman - Scum hunting seems both legit and accurate. Well thought out and detailed posts indicate a willingness to engage and nothing to hide.
SirAnonymous - Adamantly insisting that people should not reveal too much information about their roles for no reason and subsequent dismay at being ignored in the first few pages seems genuine, and in hindsight pretty smart too considering the negative utility of certain claims we saw in those early pages.
oromagi - Willingness to engage in the game and some helpful analysis, though his unexplained (as far as I remember) vote on Ragnar is not something I completely understand. The weakest of my town reads, but atill a town read.
ILikePie5 - Role cop claim is confirmable though obviously not affiliation indicative. This is where my null reads begin.
Ragnar - No significant contribution that I can recall. Unlike WP however he has been mostly innactive so at least there is the possibility that he simply hasn't had time to contribute.
WaterPhoenix - No significant contribution that I can recall.
warren42 - Pretty sure he has not even posted. If he has it definitely wasn't significant.
Bullish - My only real scum read, and one that I have explained quite in-depth. Basically his posts seem manufactured and designed to push specific adgendas using false information. The fact that his wagon has had so little momentum despite being a prime lynch candidate for most of the DP further suggests a concerted behind-the-scenes effort to divert attention away from his wagon.
LYNCH
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I am going to put together an oro style sliding-scale reads list of my own now. I will try to keep my explanations relatively concise.
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@Vader
Already gave reads on this game, look.
I checked the post history on your profile and saw no reads list. Pretty much the only significant read you have given all game is your scum read on GP, which is ancient history by now.
We need you to read over the DP and give your reads of other players besides GP so that we can get a better read on you, to help us catch scum, and to try to soften your irrational tunneling of GP.
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@Speedrace
I suppose I could change the rule of people want that (it's only DP1 after all) but I think only a couple of people are against it
At the very least you could reduce the likelihood of a filibuster by making it so that anyone with a majority of votes on them is not required to have a vote up for the day to end, even if everyone else is required to.
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@Lunatic
Again I realize this is a WIFOM-y argument, mostly based on a gut feel.
Don't dismiss gut feelings out of hand, my famous 46% scum hitting rate was achieved almost entirely on gut feelings that I decided to take a closer look at, but I do happen to disagree with you on this particular point.
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@Bullish
<br>If she isn't yakuza she would immediately call BS on Lunatic's claim and push for town to lynch him next DP. She doesn't ever do that. In fact, she says "you got me" instead of immediately going ballistic.
GP is male. This has been mentioned to you before. You intentionally insulting him or just absentminded?
More importantly though GPs passive attitude at being lynched is well within his character. I recall one game where I was scum and heavily suspected as scum and it was mylo and/or lylo and I pulled some really stupid gambit to which GPs response was "Eh, pretty sure DD is scum but I'll go with it". That is not the only example, GP is well known for being a relatively passive player most of the time. This is not necessarily a bad thing - he definitely does have good scumreading ability in my experience - but it is an aspect of his style that should be kept in mind when playing with him.
My point isn't that you are wrong. My point is that you appear to be intentionally misrepresenting GPs style in order to push a narrative that is, frankly, pretty laughable. I was a significant part of that interaction that you claim is so blatantly manufactured, am I scum too? Did you really catch the entire scum team just now? You say SirAnons response seemed manufactured somehow. Is he also scum? Did Speed lie about there only being three? This line of thought is quickly getting out of hand, and all this from someone who advised town in his first post to "not overthink things" hmmm...
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@Lunatic
If there was a large interval between the original claim and the second one I would totally agree with you. It was only a few minutes though and the fact that he acted surprised comes off to me as him mistakenly thinking he already did (if it was in fact the case that he intentionally did not then why would he act surprised? In that scenario he would know that he had not).
Lastly the idea that he intentionally hid his character as scum seems silly due to the fact that in this game there is no character-afiliation link.
Pie is still a null read for me and I would like him to hurry up posting his reads so I can tell him how wrong he is even if I agree with him to gauge his reaction. Oops, did I say that last bit out loud?
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@Lunatic
You say in the OP that there are three teams. Besides the three wincons assigned to those three teams do any other wincons exist in this game?No
In reference to the 'singu and supa are tragic lovers' idea (that is the name for a lover pair with one scum and one town) said pair is generally given a unique wincon described here:
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