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@Speedrace
Ok so you know what C means, right? Or at least what the specific power role that someone has is?
I think I might now yeah. I suggest not outting for now, if someone about to be lynched claims that role we can confirm them as town and avoid a mislynch.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
@PressF4Respect
Statistically self-voting is more likely to come from scum than town and neither of you were high on my town list in the first place. If you are town then all you are doing is drawing attention away from scum hunting.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
@PressF4Respect
What the hell? What is with all the self-voting? get your heads out of your asses please. Nobody is trying to lynch either of you assholes. Get your shit together.
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@Speedrace
How attracted is bsh to your character? And does that attractiveness have anything to do with the link between your character and your power?If you see what I'm saying...
He is attracted to my character, it does tie to my role justification, and I think I now know what you mean.
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@Speedrace
I could just out the role, we actually would be much better off if we knew who it was... Even though Mafia would know who that person wasDo you want me to just say the role itself? But the person who it is could stay secretBecause that person would benefit HUGELY from knowing my role
I don't have enough information to know whether that is a good idea because I honestly have no idea what your role is. It's up to you whether you want to do this, you seem fairly non-retarded so I will trust your judgement.
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@Speedrace
But dude, if you are like me, then you must know that we must have a specific power role because we'd both be useless without that power role lol
All I am saying is that my role matches what club said when he said his night action is "harmless"
There are several roles that fit that description so I am not saying I have the same role as you or the same role as club.
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... and so he would not need to try figuring out who is town.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
So with that in mind.... who right now is trying the hardest at trying to figure out who townspeople are? See comments 219-222 of mine on page 9 for who I think it is, and be sure to read over how those players have been acting.
I need you to clarify what you are saying here. If Wylted is scum then he already knows who is town...
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@Speedrace
Also Club your role literally sounds exactly like mine, you know the other power role then too, right?
Clubs role sounds a lot like mine too and I am definitely not the "C" guy you refer to (whatever that means) so I would be careful about assuming that Club is your C just based on that one post of his.
On the other hand I am more sure of you being town based on this. If you really do have a role that can be confirmed to be in the game based on another role being in the game then I am willing to town pile you.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Wait, why are you voting for yourself?
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Very well, here's my first official read of DP1 messages
Good.
Unvote
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Do I have to come up with lyrics on my own off the top of my head in the heat of the moment like people with real talent do?
If not I'm in.
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@PressF4Respect
You never did translate your soft claim like I asked.
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@Wylted
Speedrace is in the town pile also
Yeah if I had to guess I would say he is town. I don't have to guess though so I will leave him null for now.
Help me pressure CC to give us his reads please. If he is scum playing dumb we might catch some sort of slip, if he is town then by forcing him to go through the game and develop reads we help him to learn how to play the game properly. Win-win for us.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
It's easier to deceive online.
Having played both in person mafia and forum mafia I would like to point out that this is a blatant falsehood.
Uness your in-person games included all conversations being recorded and also giving the players several days to review said recordings at their leisure as we are given in forum mafia, that is. If your in-person games included that though then they were very different than mine.
I would like you to give me your reads on all the players have come on so far so that I might be able to take my vote off you.
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VTL CC
If you refuse to play then there is no way for me to tell whether you are town or scum, but if you are scum I want you dead and if you are town but refuse to scumhunt then you are useless to me.
Start playing the game and I will consider unvoting.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
But, I'll stick to VTNL for now, since it is still DP1, and I don't consider this quite enough compelling.
I am not saying that we have to lynch someone right now - there is still time for that later - but you should at least scum hunt.
You know, play the game you signed up for.
Let me put it like this...
Scenario One:
9 Town 3 Scum
VTNL/NK
8 Town 3 Scum
VTNL/NK
7 Town 3 Scum
VTNL/NK
6 Town 3 Scum
VTNL/NK
5 Town 3 Scum
VTNL/NK
4 Town 3 Scum
VTNL/NK
3 Town 3 Scum
Scum win
Scenario Two:
9 Town 3 Scum
Mislynch/NK
7 Town 3 scum
Mislynch/NK
5 Town 3 Scum
Mislynch/NK
3 Town 3 Scum
Scum win
Scenario Three:
9 Town 3 Scum
Lynch/NK
8 Town 2 scum
Lynch/NK
7 Town 1 scum
Lynch/NK
6 Town 0 Scum
Town win
It should be clear that unless you are scum Scenario one and two should be avoided. How do we avoid scenario one? By lynching. How do we avoid scenario two? By trying to figure out who is scum (that is what the word scumhunting means) so that we know who to lynch and who not to. How do we scumhunt? By having conversations, generating behaviors, and actually playing the game.
By refusing to scumhunt (in other words, to try to figure out who is town and who is scum) you are encouraging a scenario one or two, in other words a scenario in which scum win.
I am legitimately having trouble figuring out why this needed to be spelled out in this way. What is so hard about this?
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Why do we need to do it for DP1?
Beginning a conversation and generating behaviors to read = good for town
Immediate VTNL and giving a free NK to scum NP 1 and getting nothing out of it = good for scum
Am I missing something?
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@Wylted
It is safe to Google to be honest.
That was just a joke lol, I am straight but idgaf if a bunch of gay porn popped up on my screen, its just pics.
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@Wylted
I am familiar with the term bear so that does clear up the confusion. Thanks.
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@Wylted
Okay here is a thread where bsh1 states he is a twink but also states he hates twinks
You keep using the word twink but I have no idea what it means and given the context I am scared to google it. Please explain.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
All we can go on is people's words.
Search for scum by day, it all turns out okay.
Search for scum by night, they will win the fight.
Or something like that. It's a work in progress. The point is that town can't rely on NP powers to win the game for us. If we don't use the DP to scum hunt then we lose.
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@Wylted
Just throwing this out there and hopefully it keeps F4 from joing a cult later on.Just because somebody has a messiah complex, it does not make them the messiah
You never did make that thread about how life is bullshit and therapists are dumb. Iirc you got temp banned around that time so IDK if that is what stopped you or if you just weren't interested. You ever going to?
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@Wylted
I thought we had a scum slip with F4 knowing oros character but I now believe I was mistaken. I will town read him for now, seems pretty obvious that you are town as well. Also town reading Greyparrot. Not sure what to think of Oro yet.
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@PressF4Respect
I don't know the motives of the people who keep silent (whether purposefully or otherwise). Oro did use code, so that might be hiding something.
Most probably just have not logged in yet.
You used some sort of a code too, what was yours saying? (Do not answer this yet if it reveals your role)
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@PressF4Respect
Yup. Basically.
Alright I get it now. What was oros character again? I forgot.
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@Wylted
Actually I just double checked and bsh did give a justification in mine. He described Theo as strong, confident, and masculine.
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@PressF4Respect
[I thought that] Soft claim means that you are hinting at someone's role/character. Since Oro mentioned me, I thought he was stating stuff about me.
Ohhh okay I think I get it, so when you were asked to give a soft claim you thought you were supposed to hint at oros character?
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@Wylted
Did bsh explain why your char was unattractive in PM? He never gave an explanation in mine.
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@Wylted
Me too. If james dean is not fuckable than he simply is not gay. It makes no sense
I'll character claim now just so you can get an idea of what I mean. I am Theo James. I mean I guess he is attractive but he's no George Clooney.
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@PressF4Respect
Innocent slipup
That doesn't answer my question. I am not accusing you of anything, I just need to know more about what your mindstate was at the time you were posting so I can get in your head and tell whether you are town or not.
So again, please tell me in detail what you thought a soft claim meant before. Like, if someone had asked you at the start of the game to make a dictionary entry for the phrase "soft claim" then what would you put?
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@Wylted
My role justification revolves around James dean not being fuckable. I am going to say we have a good solid town block here forming. Me you and GP. The game is going g to be solved early
I just looked up a pic of my character (a guy I never heard of) and it makes no sense toe that bsh would consider my character fuckable but not James Dean. I am beginning to think that bsh might be a closeted heterosexual.
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@PressF4Respect
What did you think soft claim meant when you were doing it for Oromagis character instead of yours?
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I think that was a scum slip. Press f has to be in a pm with him to soft claim his character LOL
Yup, I'm down.
VTL PressF4
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He claimed to not be attracted to him also. By the way grey parrot is most likely town. Scum are probably people bsh1 wants to fuck.
Nope, bsh also gave his opinion of my characters looks and said he would totally smash. My role actually revolves around this fact.
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@PressF4Respect
Ohh. Soft claim in this case are about our characters, not the other person. My bad. In that case, this is my new soft claim:
What do you mean 'other person'?
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Given the time travel stuff that happens with Kelly, well there's lots of philosophical questions there too.
Oh don't even get me started. You do NOT want to hear my drunken rant about how sci-fi shows handle time travel terribly. I have given it to so many people so many times I practically have it memorized by now and almost everyone that hears it tells me they wish they hadn't.
Way after the fact, as you said, I'm now considering them with more thought and realizing how much of a mind-blower they were. Star Trek, I'd say, makes you consider these questions while watching it.
Okay, I will give my drunken rant about this. Here's the thing about Star Treks 'philosophical themes'... because they have a reputation to uphold from TOS (which is somewhere in my top two favorite Star Trek shows, not sure exactly where though) the writers seem to always feel pressured to make the audience think in some way about something. The end result quite often ends up being that instead of exploring a world which becomes the basis of exploring philosophical themes the various episodes instead end up exploring a philosophical theme which becomes the basis f the world for the duration of that episode. It often comes off as ham-fisted and unnatural.
Well okay actually I don't feel like doing a full rant. Just that one thing. The rest of what I have to say on that topic would lead down a road that goes way off topic for the thread so I will leave it at that little pint-sized rant.
maybe you pondered over the philosophies in The Orville as they were being laid out, but I found I didn't until I analyzed the episode after the fact.
No no no, I totally understand what you are saying and it was the same experience for me. I guess the difference is that I think it is better this way. Not that I dislike Star Trek, I actually do like it a lot, but... you know.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
I'm watching DS9 Episode 2, so this is a new experience for me.
Oh boy.
Anyways, I was also watching The Orville while going through TNG. I gotta say, I kind of appreciate the less-formal, more wacky/humorous take given in The Orville.
I love this about the Orville. On the surface it seems not to take itself seriously at all, and to be fair even when looking deeper into it the show clearly is less serious than any of the Star Trek shows.
On the other hand a lot of the humor revolves around, I guess for lack of a better way to put it... aliens being alien. One of the funniest jokes in the show that I can think of off the top of my head (It has been a few months since I watched) was - briefly put to avoid spoilers - "The scene where Bortus first learns about Kermit". It is just a throwaway gag for the show but is part of an established theme that could be have deeper philosophical implications if you wish to think about it, that of how two completely different cultures would go about learning about each other when they have little to no frame of reference.
This is something that the show hints at to various degrees throughout (it is a lot more blatant in episodes with the Krill for example) and I am sure you will notice it a lot more now that I have pointed it out if you haven't already. I think it appeals to a wider of spectrum of people in this way. If you just want a funny comedy with throwaway gags about a silly Kermit doll then this show has it. If you want something that does have some thinkers in it though, it has that too.
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@Ramshutu
One great reason to accept a debate is to challenge the validity of your opponents position.
Most people that get into debates on this site are looking to test their debating skills. The only reason debates have topics in the first place is to provide structure to the format, special rules agreed upon by both parties are merely another way to provide such structure.
not who can make the sneakiest rules.
Is that actually a thing that happens often? people making 'sneaky rules' to try winning by default? That has not been my experience but admittedly I have not really been on the debate scene since DDO turned into DART. Even if this is the case I still am not seeing how that is a problem, again I point out that nobody is forcing anyone to accept any debates.
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@oromagi
Thanks. This was my second time being a mafia mod but my first time designing a game.
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@oromagi
How would it play to add a tenth player - GREEN who is lynch proof and can't NK. Just to unbalance those static early rounds?
I like this idea. I just thought of another one too: Don't give anyone any info about who is on their team but add in an NP 0 and give some players color cop or role cop abilities. What do you think?
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@Ramshutu
They shouldn't have to defend it's validity. If you think it has no validity then don't accept the debate.
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Shouldn't two be an obvious yes? If a potential Challenger doesn't like a certain rule they can simply not accept the debate...
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Now that I think about it the actual VTNLing on DP 2 was technically worse for red than it was for blue due to the R-->B-->Y-->R dynamic, though still better for yellow than anyone else. It could have worked if blue and red both shot yellow but...
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@Wylted
Actually our strategy of putting ourselves early was good but we assumed red would behave rationally.
The only problem is that it made it easy for red and yellow to silently team up on you and they had no incentive not to do so. That is essentially what happened round one, red being stupid in NP 2 sealed your fate.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
What about if you adjusted the bulletproof rule to allow the team who had a member lynched to use it whenever they wanted instead? So, for each time a member is lynched on their team, they get "1 bulletproof" point to spend at a later time at their leisure.
So you like the 'lynching red gives red the NK" rule better then? I personally like the version I went with better. It is probably a moot point though given that changes to wincon structuring will likely make both versions obsolete.
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@Speedrace
@Cogent_Cognizer
I also considered having Special Rule 1 be "If red gets lynched red gets a kill, etc." but changed it instead to the R-->B-->Y-->R getup for two reasons.
1) I wanted something to give players a reason to go after specific teams (blue would usually prefer to lynch red rather than lynch yellow, for example) in the hopes that conclusions about behaviors could be made in that way. To an extent this did work, oromagi (a leader and therefore starting with the smallest amount of info) actually used this method to guess wylted and greyparrots color in DP 1 after they revealed they were partners but before they outed themselves as blue.
2) I wanted to have the bulletproofing rule but also wanted potential friendly fire incidents and the "Red gets lynched then red gets a kill" format did not allow me to have both of these things.
I agree with you guys that the initial info given needs to be changed but I am undecided as to what exactly needs to be done to it. Restructuring the win-cons also does not sound like a bad idea but I do not know off hand how that would be done. I will look into that shadow hunters game in more detail later to see if I might find some inspiration there.
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@Speedrace
I loved the idea, but it needs something to give motivation for doing stuffIn mafia, mafia can go try to kill town over and over, and based on forum posts town tries to figure out who is mafia, but here no action aligns one with red, yellow, or blueSo maybe try to make it so that some type of action outs each color? I dunno how that would work but yeahI think the only reason it got going was because of my early posts and because of Wylted's yellow bandwagon
I have been thinking along similar lines since the end of DP 1 and I think that the solution might be in restructuring how initial information is distributed. While designing the setup I considered having the goon know their deputy but the deputy not knowing their goon or something like that but decided against it. After watching this game play out I wish I had gone with that idea, I think giving too much info to the teams to start out might have discouraged information outing a bit too much. What do you think of that solution?
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