Elminster

Vtl pie to re test his claim 

Vtl yourself. 

Vtl pie. Re testing his claim 

This also has me really questioning pies role. Actually. 

Everyone do this. 

I want to make sure he's not a 1x lynch proof. 

I have to break my habbit of poe off of role claims. And go with my gut on behavior in this game. Wf and user and just pinging hella town. 

I'm buying croc off what I would consider balanced.  Not behavior. 

The 2 people I prob won't lynch are wf and user. Unless there is something hell of compelling. 

I also buy croc. 

This is really really really making me want to lynch danielle or gp

Behavioral town reads 

WF

User 

This is such noob town. 

This can happen as tp. I def don't by user as scum. The way that was typed was just so wrong and so innocent there is no mafia would come up with that bad of a reason for being coped guilty. 

That's not at all how miller works. Unless I'm off in lala land. I've never in my life played a mafia game where miller works that way. 

Is that a dart thing that I'm not aware of. 

Can you clarify what you mean by that.  There are conditions to your results 

Wait what the fuck 

Are you third party. Please out if you are. We can convert you instead of lynch you and you will likely by the dp lynch with a guilty. It's no reason not to out at this point if you are 

O and supa. I just buy there being a cop in this game. May revisit this later but I was near 100 percent flavor cop would be in before the game started so this hits my bias hard 

Now that I have some time , I can type a bit

Town pile

Whiteflame

Croc

Sup

Pie

Null

Speed - town lean 

User - to lean 

Grayparrot -

Scum

Danielle

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The luna kill was the obvious kill. He was largely the most town read person off behavior and role. We also stated that the Mason was going to visit him so they can communicate during the np. This kill likely happened because of how townread he was + he was going to be confirmed. Now think hard about this. Why would a gray parrot mafia kill him. Mafia killed him (very likely because they believed the gp claim) and to stop confirmation. This really makes me go null on parrot. Almost full town 

I'm still forced to think pie is town just because I don't think a popular mafia is in the game. I may revisit this later

Whiteflame is town just pure behavior wise. I have a hard time reading him sometimes. But he is bleeding noob town (no offense)

Croc I also buy as town. Specifically because a tp+2 mafia set up makes sense with 10 players.  Croc targeted speed

Imo opinion the tp would likely be one of the vanilla's. Me speed or user. User behavioral wise fits this role. Crocs visit clears speed unless speed says he was converted which he likely would have already said if he was. If I was tp, I would immediately town side for poe. Anyone who has played with me before knows this is true. I poe lynch

That being said user if you are tp, you really need to come clean. We have a way to convert you and town confirm you in the process. 

That leaves danielle the entire danielle gp cluster fuck. If gp visited danielle as mason, I believe he would be dead (if she was scum) so go saying he's hot potato would explain why he's alive. 

The question is whether I think gp is doing typical gp stuff which makes no sense a lot of the time. And he fake claimed for some weird reason. This really bothers me though because he is talking as if he knows Danielle has some role flavor. Meaning they had to have a way to talk about it. He was saying "wait for her to explain blah blah". This means hes lying about his role and he's still mason and trying to hide that. In which case my poe is just wrong entirely or they are both scum 

We need pressure on them 2 and we really need the tp to out. If tp outs (please fucking out). It will confirm the tp and croc and we have a really solid poe pile 

actually don't 

you said you were going to claim, claim pls

I buy this

you are probably paranoid. Literally has paranoid in the game title 

Still doesn't explain why he knows what Danielle is going to say

I think she told him to fake claim something and pretend hes not mason. Which is not that helpful at the moment from poe. 

My bet is he is actually mason

parrot are you actually a mason and saying you are some weird shit to make people think you aren't. This seems to me like you are actually the mason and are bulshitting trying to not get nked.  It's the only way that would explain how you would know what danielle is thinking 

The best way to play games like this is ignore results, and just use them as a frame of reference and go strictly off behavior. The glaring issues at the moment are

1) Grayparrot claimed mason and lied

2) Grayparrot visited Danielle, knowing he would not die.  Playing and modding for grey parrot last night shows me he is very careful. He did not want to vig until he was sure of who scum was because he didnt want to trade 2 kills. I don't think parrot would have sacced himself so i'm near sure he was confident he would not die. 

3) Why parrot is saying Danielle is going to explain something when she has not said that herself.  As if he knows she is going to explain something about her role

These 2 seem to be connected somehow for sure

I actually have user in my scum pile already, so i'm okay with any of these as far as pressure but those 3 stick out to me heavy

Was saying all last dp there are roles that will fulfill the title. Have to use behavior.  As much as I want to trust a blind supa result I would be going back on my entire line of logic from last dp

How do you know she's going to explain a role if you aren't a mason and have had no way to communicate

Could be 2 mafia and that 1 is tp

Explains crocs role 

I'm half thinking the same. 

Either way it's obvious. We lynch that 1 and then we lynch supa if he's lying. 

If it's flavored idc, are fucked anyway 

Did you see who he got a guilty on. That's why 

wf is new ish

i thin waiting to dp2 gives him more outs to claim

with croc saying his role, i think the 3 most useful lynches now are

speed

user or

white

i don think ill get one on speed

i think locking people into roles is still the best idea and then decide a lynch or vtnl

i really would like to get all the roles tbh to lock peopl einto stuff at this point

are we done with the dp?

#468

I'm not sure how I fully read WF

The issue is I really feel like we need to full commit to a mass claim at this point and lynch anyone who says no. We have outed to much already to half ass this. At least we tie people to roles. (speed as vanilla) if he visits someone etc, we know hes lying

I feel like we have to go all the way given where we are

the issue is by not claiming at this point you are claiming, if that makes sense

Going to say this now, what actually scares me about this game is the mason. 

Drafters list woudnt load for me all the way down when I tried to open it but if mafia has a recruit to counter balance the mason, this game is going to be aids 

changed this brief when I saw whiteflame voting user

I don't think they are scum together, and I think WF is likely to be scum more than her/him

croc 

whiteflame

and speed are who I would lynch between

I have not did forum mafia with you that much no, but I do no the idea behind a meta. If you have ever played with FT, he did this thing where he would quit if he was scum. Did it for years. The games he decided to play as scum he won, because no one would lynch him because he always quit as scum. Once you set a meta, you can easily abuse it. What you have did in past games is typically useless if you are aware of what you have did. So I never buy this idea of "o i play this way" concept 

I'm just going off the title. Paranoia, that implies role madness.  Is it possible its some sort of all vanilla shit to scare the fuck out of people sure. It's way more likely super is some flavor of cop and roles work weird. At least in my mind

Also look at the vote count

I don't see whiteflame being the only person to pressure user if they are scum 

So likely not together 

Whiteflame 

Croc 

User

Croc 

Speed

Whiteflame:

?

I'd never just hide it was me. Just did this one for the initial reaction tests. 

No pretty sure that was tim

Speed then user. Pls god 

Okay we are lynching them both