GnosticChristianBishop

Facts have nothing to do with what idiots or the ignorant think they are.

Facts are facts  and real, even if stupid people do not recognize them as such.

The world is not flat is a fact, even if fools think it is flat.

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DL

The faith of religious fools is not based on facts.

Facts do not need faith as they are demonstrably real.

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I deal in facts, not fictions.

To respect liars is not the most moral thing to do.

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Why should a lying church get a tax break, for just being a place where lies and fictions are taught as fact?

Why should liars get away with their religious lies and get tax dollars back for being liars?

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True, along with the lies in their religions.

Without lies, no God religion would exist, because if one supernatural God exists, then there are many Gods that we are not to put above Yahweh/Jesus. The genocidal combo.

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True.

You have shown your uselessness.

If you ever want to actually do apologetics and develop decent morals, come on back.

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DL

Thanks for the lie.

That is all you immoral failed apologists are good at.

Take your garbage morals and prick of a God and shove them back up from where you got them.

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DL

"So here we have more lies that theists don't pay taxes."

Who was stupid enough to say such garbage?

Get the quote so that I might chastise that idiot. 

That or you are the idiot who cannot read.

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Fuck all theists who are homophobic and misogynous and have to hate their own gay or female children.

That is what you promote you pathetic piece of moral coward.

That and scapegoating. Another Christian forte.

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DL

I disagree with your view of atheists, even as I am not in that group.

I respect atheists more than the theists who adore a genocidal, homophobic and misogynous garbage God.

As to paying for religions, you should be thanking the atheists who have to pay for religious tax breaks that they do not deserve.

Theists should pay for their own delusions.

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That Rabbi is not lying.

Thanks for your last B S exit line.

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You might also listen to this Rabbi telling us at about the 15 min. mark that Jews tell God what to do.

Jews are generally not dumb enough to be literalist and believe in talking serpents and donkeys.

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Thanks for liking it.

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Most religionists, especially of the God religions,  are confused about their beliefs.

Nothing can be clear when speaking of the supernatural.

Perhaps you are not keeping up with Jewry and just how close they are to being atheists.

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Jewry has mostly always recognized that all our Gods are created by people.

We are to strive both for and against Gods.

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Indeed.

I do not mind my mind. 

It is serving me well.

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I think he was saying to not stupidly believe in the supernatural and that only human to human interaction was important.

Jesus, in scriptures, urges us to become the best possible humans by asking us, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

Most have, but not Gnostic Christians.

Jewry have always put man above God.

They were/are mostly too intelligent to do as literalist Christians do.

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"insightfulness"

Mine was more of an enlightenment of reality.

Spiritually, I passed the test. Physical enlightenment that telepathy is real was my insight into our real reality.

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IDK, but I trust the older thinking, before the stupidity of supernatural belief rose to screw up the thinking of the general population.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.
 
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
 
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
 
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
 
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
 
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
 
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
 
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In terms of moral thinking, almost all that is said must apply to both males and females, if the issue is to have value.

I can think of no exceptions.

How about you guys who are talking of gender issues?

Remember that that most of the ancient Gods were androgynous.

They had sexless laws.

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DL

What is said is more important than who said it.

That is why I quote the esoteric Jesus I know, and offer him as an archetype and not a fact.

I trust his ways, not him.

They gave me insight and i would wish that for all.

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I could not refute my claim either.

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"How can Jesus on one hand bring peace and on the hand tell us that he has not come to bring peace?  Is the simplistic answer to this that here is one of the many contradictions in the Bible or is there something else going on? 

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

"I'm not religious and I'm not an atheist either"

You are your own guide and master. Rather Gnostic that.

Gnostic Christians think that if we are in a simulation, the proof of it would be the same proof needed to confirm the God over God ideas, that are ancient, --- and refute a matrix systems, --- as those end in  a fractal set of realities.

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"the Resurrection of Jesus has more evidence to support it historical reality than many other things in history. "

Do not the others, what was it, 6 Gods who have dies for us in history make a difference?

Why ignore those others. Jesus and his Armageddon are likely more evil.

The Gnostic Jesus is ok, but that Roman genocidal; prick, is a prick.

Moral people will agree.

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DL

 

Religions have a problem of evil.

The naturalist religion I follow does not. It does not have a sentient God.

Evolution and nature have no problem of evil.

The evil they have is only a small part of the overall good of our continuing evolution instead of extinction.

We would never give up that evil and we would all continue to do it even knowingly.

We have no choice in this.

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DL

"Evil is subjective by nature and therefore unless you agree to a common standard with your interlocutor the conversation will break down at "is x really evil though?""

It may be both.

Do you wish to discuss xs or evil?

Evil is objectively always at the end of the graph for good and evil that denotes what we would not prefer.

Evil xs  or issues then would be subjective, as to degree of evil, but always objectively evil.

If subjective, as you say, then show where evil is ever on the good side of a good and evil graph.

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Sorry.

We are not discussing the same things.

I do not discuss things here. I am discussing moral ideas.

Call those things if you like, but we are still not even on the same page.

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DL 

Sure. I follow the dictionary.

One term, objective, applies to a tenet all the time, without exception.

Subjective will or could have exceptions.

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Impossible?

Don't be foolish.

How else does it become objective, if we do not subjectively make it so?

If you have no method, then you must accept that that is how we subjectively decide that a tenet is objective and always applies..

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???

I like and use the dictionary.   I do not deflect into arguing the definition of well defined words.

I do not know what you have against the dictionary definitions, so I will just read your words as deflection by the less bright. 

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Of course the subjective mind has to choose to make something objective.

How else could subjectivity or objectivity of a thig be accepted.

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DL

We all have different tastes. We all know this.

Did you have another point?

Am I supposed to show what it was for you?

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To them, it was an objective moral tenet as their God always liked sacrifices.

One must try to get into the judges head.

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Not me. All of us.

That s what makes it objective.

Show why that is not true, instead of just stating it like a proven fact.

Tell us about how you like pain.

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When the vast majority agree that the Golden Rule is objective,  how can you say that morals are subjective?

Sure, there must be subjective judgement of all moral tenets, but that does not negate the objective nature of that rule when it is always chosen.

When is the Golden Rule subjective, in real sense?

 

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Tradesecret 

Too many lies and personal garbage.

Go away.

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DL

Say losers and poor thinkers.

Ass holes abound.

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DL

Luck has little to nothing to do with duty or success in finding decent minds.

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DL

""If you want to me to chat with you - then please stop being so antagonistic. Calling my God genocidal is intentionally trying to rile me. ""

If female, you would think that being decreed to be of less value than a man, would suffice. No ?

Good Christ; what if you are gay?

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Being super special, I post everywhere.

I try to get believers to change to our real Gods, people, and I try to get atheists off their rumps and pushing their better morals against believers.

The bright need to help the dim see.

Atheists have to up their social duty trait.

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DL

Don't make stupid statements without an argument.

"You should not asking leading questions. Questions that assume facts without evidence.  God is neither incompetent nor stupid."

That statement is a lie, unless you can show competence and intelligence.

Ignoring all your false claims about God, by your own standards , lets see if we can chat without you lying all the time. 

"Humanity chose to rebel against God. That is the essence of it. God meant what he said would happen if humanity rebelled.  Humanity chose to rebel and went ahead anyway.  God judged the world. Absolutely. And humanity was found guilty and sentenced to death.  This GCB is justice."

You, in your Exsultet hymn, sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

You are saying the opposite.

Are you correct or is Christianity?

Why do you see failure for God in Eden while singing of Eden's success?

The Jews who invented your religion call it Original Virtue.

Why are you calling good evil?

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It is virtue signalling. As it should be.

Should the brightest moral lights, atheists and non-believers these days, not shine over the darker lights?

For evil to grow and all that my friend.

Think of the gays and females in your own family.

They will be effected by the ongoing preaching of the benefits of homophobia and misogyny that churches preach.

Think social duty.

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Some deny that Noah's flood, myth or not, that it was genocide.

Some do not see Armageddon or the death of hells residence into the lake of fire as genocide either.

Those people are stupidly immoral.

The intelligent and moral will think like these.

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Let me know when you want to chat with me, not at me, and when you stop adoring a genocidal prick of a God.

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"Mercy and Grace that is meted out by God The Saviour of the World. "

What kind of incompetent and stupid God would have to condemn his own creation and then have to die, Not that God can fucking die, right, to remove his own condemnation? 

Do you really believe such utter stupidity?

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Adulthood and moral maturity happened.

I don't think I know any but one objective moral tenet, so of course morals are mostly all subjective.

"I haven't seen a genocidal god,"

You have not read of the Jesus/ Yahweh genocidal prick?

 

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Thanks for this.

I have some reading to do.

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DL

There is more than one Jesus portrayed in the bible.

The Rome created Jesus wants slaves to religion, while the Gnostic Christian free thinker wants to free us from religions.

Should the religious and non-religious people wish to be slaved or freed?

Should people fear the governments and religions, or have them fear us?

Why should people give up their autonomy?

We should not.

If we are to be in God's image, we should act like it. 

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I hope you do not remain so stupid and full of supernatural beliefs.

I hope you recognize that a genocidal god is a real prick.

Moral people do, but I guess that that is not you.

Let me know if you want to chat on morals, instead of your stupid belief in the supernatural.

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