GnosticChristianBishop

Take all that supernatural garbage out of what we believe, and you will know what Gnostic Christians really think.

You seem way off the mark.

Might I suggest you see above.

Here is what we think of the supernatural and who God is.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw
 
Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
 

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. 

Gnosis enlightens adults.

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DL 

It is immoral to deny anyone a divorce.

It is also immoral to punish the innocent instead of the guilty

Right?

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DL 

A Gnostic Christian is what Christianity was in it's better days, when all Christians knew that the genocidal prick, Yahweh, was a myth.

How much better follows.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths. I am a WIP.
 
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
 
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
 
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
 
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
 
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
 
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
 
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DL
 

""Somehow, I don't see many modern Christians in America, advocating for the return of slavery?""

Slavery of the body, via a denial of a wanted abortion, is slavery. That is the right advocating slavery.

Given that most major cities world wide have sex slave populations in the thousands, let me ask you a question. You said "return of slavery". When did it leave?

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DL 

Yes. I was speaking of a Christian having to abdicate his responsibility for his sins and having Jesus as substitute for their punishment.

A Christian must sin again to be saved. Strange eh?

Scapegoating is evil. Right?

You neglected to condemn the Catholic and Christian/Muslim no divorce for women policies, but might show what you think justice is in the issue of guilty people sitting back silently, while some innocent guy take their just punishment.

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DL

I am pleased that you like Christianity.

What do you like about the genocidal, homophobic and misogynous prick, Yahweh/Jesus?

His pending Armageddon perhaps?

Which other moral tenet of his is best?

His no divorce for women and substitutional punishment policies perhaps?

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DL

  

I have 4 male children.

I abuse my first 2 more than the next 2 because I found out what love was about.

I was a late bloomer to learning of love and hate.

I admit to being a bully.

Love gives birth to hate of all the puts what is loved in jeopardy.

Loving good morals makes me hate religions, like Christianity and Islam, that have such poor morals.

All who respect them, are being unethical, by not trying to convert them.

Thank all the Gods that atheist churches are opening to challenge their inequality of all people.

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DL

One generation to go if the stats are right;  although, ironically, we collectively could have all the benefits of that generation today, if we moved our collectives asses.

We are allowing the fact that we are too good to each other, destroy our chances of not being harmed by pending ecological disasters.

People, more and more, are wanting freedom, and that would include freedom from the religions that say a man has to hate his son, should he be born gay, and his daughters for just being inferior to men.

Men are learning to put love over sex, finally, and leaving those vile religions in droves.

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DL  

 

I call them as I see them.

Thanks for the fucking judgement, without showing the where or why, ass hole.

I can really defend myself.

Do you beat your kids without telling them why?

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DL

Facts have nothing to do with what idiots or the ignorant think they are.

Facts are facts  and real, even if stupid people do not recognize them as such.

The world is not flat is a fact, even if fools think it is flat.

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DL

The faith of religious fools is not based on facts.

Facts do not need faith as they are demonstrably real.

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DL

I deal in facts, not fictions.

To respect liars is not the most moral thing to do.

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DL

Why should a lying church get a tax break, for just being a place where lies and fictions are taught as fact?

Why should liars get away with their religious lies and get tax dollars back for being liars?

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DL

True, along with the lies in their religions.

Without lies, no God religion would exist, because if one supernatural God exists, then there are many Gods that we are not to put above Yahweh/Jesus. The genocidal combo.

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DL 

True.

You have shown your uselessness.

If you ever want to actually do apologetics and develop decent morals, come on back.

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DL

Thanks for the lie.

That is all you immoral failed apologists are good at.

Take your garbage morals and prick of a God and shove them back up from where you got them.

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DL

"So here we have more lies that theists don't pay taxes."

Who was stupid enough to say such garbage?

Get the quote so that I might chastise that idiot. 

That or you are the idiot who cannot read.

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DL

Fuck all theists who are homophobic and misogynous and have to hate their own gay or female children.

That is what you promote you pathetic piece of moral coward.

That and scapegoating. Another Christian forte.

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DL

I disagree with your view of atheists, even as I am not in that group.

I respect atheists more than the theists who adore a genocidal, homophobic and misogynous garbage God.

As to paying for religions, you should be thanking the atheists who have to pay for religious tax breaks that they do not deserve.

Theists should pay for their own delusions.

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DL

That Rabbi is not lying.

Thanks for your last B S exit line.

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DL

You might also listen to this Rabbi telling us at about the 15 min. mark that Jews tell God what to do.

Jews are generally not dumb enough to be literalist and believe in talking serpents and donkeys.

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DL

Thanks for liking it.

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DL

Most religionists, especially of the God religions,  are confused about their beliefs.

Nothing can be clear when speaking of the supernatural.

Perhaps you are not keeping up with Jewry and just how close they are to being atheists.

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DL

Jewry has mostly always recognized that all our Gods are created by people.

We are to strive both for and against Gods.

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DL

Indeed.

I do not mind my mind. 

It is serving me well.

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DL

I think he was saying to not stupidly believe in the supernatural and that only human to human interaction was important.

Jesus, in scriptures, urges us to become the best possible humans by asking us, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

Most have, but not Gnostic Christians.

Jewry have always put man above God.

They were/are mostly too intelligent to do as literalist Christians do.

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DL

"insightfulness"

Mine was more of an enlightenment of reality.

Spiritually, I passed the test. Physical enlightenment that telepathy is real was my insight into our real reality.

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DL

IDK, but I trust the older thinking, before the stupidity of supernatural belief rose to screw up the thinking of the general population.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.
 
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
 
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
 
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
 
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
 
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
 
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
 
Regards
DL
 
 

In terms of moral thinking, almost all that is said must apply to both males and females, if the issue is to have value.

I can think of no exceptions.

How about you guys who are talking of gender issues?

Remember that that most of the ancient Gods were androgynous.

They had sexless laws.

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DL

What is said is more important than who said it.

That is why I quote the esoteric Jesus I know, and offer him as an archetype and not a fact.

I trust his ways, not him.

They gave me insight and i would wish that for all.

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DL 

I could not refute my claim either.

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DL

"How can Jesus on one hand bring peace and on the hand tell us that he has not come to bring peace?  Is the simplistic answer to this that here is one of the many contradictions in the Bible or is there something else going on? 

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

"I'm not religious and I'm not an atheist either"

You are your own guide and master. Rather Gnostic that.

Gnostic Christians think that if we are in a simulation, the proof of it would be the same proof needed to confirm the God over God ideas, that are ancient, --- and refute a matrix systems, --- as those end in  a fractal set of realities.

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DL

"the Resurrection of Jesus has more evidence to support it historical reality than many other things in history. "

Do not the others, what was it, 6 Gods who have dies for us in history make a difference?

Why ignore those others. Jesus and his Armageddon are likely more evil.

The Gnostic Jesus is ok, but that Roman genocidal; prick, is a prick.

Moral people will agree.

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DL

 

Religions have a problem of evil.

The naturalist religion I follow does not. It does not have a sentient God.

Evolution and nature have no problem of evil.

The evil they have is only a small part of the overall good of our continuing evolution instead of extinction.

We would never give up that evil and we would all continue to do it even knowingly.

We have no choice in this.

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DL

"Evil is subjective by nature and therefore unless you agree to a common standard with your interlocutor the conversation will break down at "is x really evil though?""

It may be both.

Do you wish to discuss xs or evil?

Evil is objectively always at the end of the graph for good and evil that denotes what we would not prefer.

Evil xs  or issues then would be subjective, as to degree of evil, but always objectively evil.

If subjective, as you say, then show where evil is ever on the good side of a good and evil graph.

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DL

Sorry.

We are not discussing the same things.

I do not discuss things here. I am discussing moral ideas.

Call those things if you like, but we are still not even on the same page.

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DL 

Sure. I follow the dictionary.

One term, objective, applies to a tenet all the time, without exception.

Subjective will or could have exceptions.

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DL

Impossible?

Don't be foolish.

How else does it become objective, if we do not subjectively make it so?

If you have no method, then you must accept that that is how we subjectively decide that a tenet is objective and always applies..

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DL

???

I like and use the dictionary.   I do not deflect into arguing the definition of well defined words.

I do not know what you have against the dictionary definitions, so I will just read your words as deflection by the less bright. 

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DL

Of course the subjective mind has to choose to make something objective.

How else could subjectivity or objectivity of a thig be accepted.

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DL

We all have different tastes. We all know this.

Did you have another point?

Am I supposed to show what it was for you?

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DL

To them, it was an objective moral tenet as their God always liked sacrifices.

One must try to get into the judges head.

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DL

Not me. All of us.

That s what makes it objective.

Show why that is not true, instead of just stating it like a proven fact.

Tell us about how you like pain.

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DL

When the vast majority agree that the Golden Rule is objective,  how can you say that morals are subjective?

Sure, there must be subjective judgement of all moral tenets, but that does not negate the objective nature of that rule when it is always chosen.

When is the Golden Rule subjective, in real sense?

 

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DL

Tradesecret 

Too many lies and personal garbage.

Go away.

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DL

Say losers and poor thinkers.

Ass holes abound.

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DL

Luck has little to nothing to do with duty or success in finding decent minds.

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DL