GnosticChristianBishop

Superseded???

You mean we were exterminated by those of your inquisitor ilk.

You will not be enlightened by me if you continue to believe in the supernatural and miracles that allow you to abdicate your own responsibilities.

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DL

Not a word on the poor morals.

So many do not want to stop sinning.

A good way to end here.

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DL

I cannot agree.

Most religious are moral agents.

Most do not and cannot walk their religious talk in most sane and just nations.

Society would not allow it elsewhere in the free world.

We are all natural mimics and slaved to our tribal natures.

We crave fellowship and that can only be found in tribes and groups, regardless of the ism the group is mimicking.

It is great that the God religions are dying and the religions that put man above God are gaining converts.

Religions overall, as I see things, are all going Gnostic.

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DL

Let's chat on the morals that would have you ignore what Jesus taught, and sin to be saved?

On Jesus dying for you and Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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DL

What you see as evil in the world, some see as good.

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DL

Sons of Gods screwing our human women caused Yahweh to use genocide on the whole of Noah's earth.

To think that a returning, genocidal Armageddon holding savior like Jesus is good, is way too immoral of a position for me to endorse.

What denomination do you follow?

Why would you think that a God who can cure as easily as kill would choose to kill?

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DL

I am a realist and see a lot more good than evil.

As a Gnostic Christian, I can see the underlying perfection of what is around me.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
 
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
 
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
 
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
 
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
 
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
 
As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.
 
Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?
 
Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”
 
That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.
 
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DL

Jacob strove both for and against God when creating Jewry.

All of us should seek a master, but only to be able to do better.

Remember that Jesus takes over when he gets to heaven.

So should we all wish to.

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DL

Jesus asked the Jews in the bible, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

No one said yes, yet you see them as the majority.

You win this one.

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DL

Throwing more derogatory names at me makes this your second childish posts in a row.

Let me correct your thinking that I was calling Joseph a deadbeat dad.

I was calling the genocidal prick Yahweh that.

Now go away as I have no time for those like you.

I am trying to improve my style and you are not worth my time.

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DL

Genocidal a holes, amoral, no. Immoral, yes.

Take all the ego boosts and wins you need, but with someone else, child.

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DL

I agree completely, as long as, and I take it that you are referring to adults only, and not those of inappropriate age or mental condition.

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DL

No.

What it make me is correct, unless you have a moral argument against my stated position that are superior.

"Every person is moral."

Yep, even Hitler and Stalin, Right?

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DL

"And no one is right and no one is wrong."

This is an outright lie when it come to the morality of Yahweh/Jesus.

Christians adore that genocidal prick.

I am right. 

Prove me wrong.

I ask that of all Christians and they always run away from doing apologetics for the prick they say they adore.

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DL

More like normal people who have yet to be properly reared.

All of us being tribal, we like to show our loyalty to our own and we do so by looking for something to hate the other side for doing or being.

Note how your own government works.

They do the same thing and will find fault, even where there is none.

It is called putting your tribe ahead of your moral sense.

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DL

What I find funny about the virgin birth, is that it was ever accepted by people.

People have to see Joseph as being cuckolded by Yahweh, who was practicing bestiality to reproduce a chimera half bred son.

People would also have to see Yahweh as a deadbeat dad, given that he screwed off after impregnating Joseph's wife.

Reproduction wise, man is greater than God, because we can reproduce true and not just a chimera from an inferior species.

We can also make many children while Yahweh can only make one.

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DL

"normalizing homosexuality"

When was homosexuality not alive and well in the human tribe/species? 

Your hate is what is not normal.

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DL

Wanting all the right all other citizens have is the only agenda I see.

One would think equal rights would be a part of American thinking. 

Oh well.

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DL

"It is very unlikely that any ideological opponent of homosexuality, actually has an irrational fear of homosexuals."

I agree.

Homophobes are rational in their arguments that discriminate without any just cause.

They are rational, while being immoral.

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DL 

Let me add to what you know.

Homophobes are poorly adjusted mentally. They discriminate without a just cause.

They, like you it seems, put sex, gender and reproduction over love. 

You do know what love is I hope.

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DL

"And let's be clear....I'm not the slightest bit interested in what other people get up to as long as they do it peaceably."

Nice. That should make you anti homophobes.

IMO, those who do not actively try to convert those immoral jerks, neglect your moral duty.

Right?

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DL

 

nurtured nature. (See how you deliberately misconstrued my comment)

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DL

Willful sexual self destruction???

The gays I have known do not do so.

Who do you see doing so, and why?

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DL

This indicates that the condition is quite natural.

Did you note that the lower animals seem to be above man on this issue.

We are a really obtuse and stupid species.

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DL 

Hmm.

You see a nurtured condition, and yet say that the one being conditioned has no choice but to have the indoctrination stick.

I can't make sense of what you think.

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DL

You indicate gayness is a nurtured condition.

Are you saying gayness is something that a parent can train their children to be?

Why would a parent or anyone else want to evolve a straight person into a gay one?

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DL

If I accept that it is a brain disorder, why are the religious hating so many mentally sick people?

That is really immoral and stupid. Right?

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DL

Opinion without argument, and you God is a genocidal prick, be you want to admit it or not.

Moral people will agree.

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DL

Religions are in the entertainment ands story telling profession, given that the God religions are based on myths and not reality.

We all pay for our other entertainment so it would be proper to pay a church if it provided you with a service.

What other theatre has free admission?

All liars and good con men want to be paid.

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DL

"Right, now it's a time for a sing song."

I like your tone.

I wondered if you had ever questioned a Christian as to why they sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?

I get silence in reply, as if they did not seem to know or be able to do apologetics for their own theology.

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DL

Correct.

Both religious and political liars are fucking us all and that is why the less religion the less fucking we get.

Especially given their genocidal, homophobic and misogynous prick of a God.

The secular God, money, is better. Right?

Or do you favor the prick?

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DL

Always from a moral POV, and have you noted has fast those moral cowards run away?

To promote Christianity is to promote homophobia and misogyny, and that a God who kills when he could just as easily cure, is a good god.

Are you ready to talk that a hole theology?

How about formally? I have yet to even try that.

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DL 

Take all that supernatural garbage out of what we believe, and you will know what Gnostic Christians really think.

You seem way off the mark.

Might I suggest you see above.

Here is what we think of the supernatural and who God is.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw
 
Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
 

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. 

Gnosis enlightens adults.

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DL 

It is immoral to deny anyone a divorce.

It is also immoral to punish the innocent instead of the guilty

Right?

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DL 

A Gnostic Christian is what Christianity was in it's better days, when all Christians knew that the genocidal prick, Yahweh, was a myth.

How much better follows.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths. I am a WIP.
 
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
 
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
 
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
 
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
 
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
 
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
 
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DL
 

""Somehow, I don't see many modern Christians in America, advocating for the return of slavery?""

Slavery of the body, via a denial of a wanted abortion, is slavery. That is the right advocating slavery.

Given that most major cities world wide have sex slave populations in the thousands, let me ask you a question. You said "return of slavery". When did it leave?

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DL 

Yes. I was speaking of a Christian having to abdicate his responsibility for his sins and having Jesus as substitute for their punishment.

A Christian must sin again to be saved. Strange eh?

Scapegoating is evil. Right?

You neglected to condemn the Catholic and Christian/Muslim no divorce for women policies, but might show what you think justice is in the issue of guilty people sitting back silently, while some innocent guy take their just punishment.

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DL

I am pleased that you like Christianity.

What do you like about the genocidal, homophobic and misogynous prick, Yahweh/Jesus?

His pending Armageddon perhaps?

Which other moral tenet of his is best?

His no divorce for women and substitutional punishment policies perhaps?

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DL

  

I have 4 male children.

I abuse my first 2 more than the next 2 because I found out what love was about.

I was a late bloomer to learning of love and hate.

I admit to being a bully.

Love gives birth to hate of all the puts what is loved in jeopardy.

Loving good morals makes me hate religions, like Christianity and Islam, that have such poor morals.

All who respect them, are being unethical, by not trying to convert them.

Thank all the Gods that atheist churches are opening to challenge their inequality of all people.

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DL

One generation to go if the stats are right;  although, ironically, we collectively could have all the benefits of that generation today, if we moved our collectives asses.

We are allowing the fact that we are too good to each other, destroy our chances of not being harmed by pending ecological disasters.

People, more and more, are wanting freedom, and that would include freedom from the religions that say a man has to hate his son, should he be born gay, and his daughters for just being inferior to men.

Men are learning to put love over sex, finally, and leaving those vile religions in droves.

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DL  

 

I call them as I see them.

Thanks for the fucking judgement, without showing the where or why, ass hole.

I can really defend myself.

Do you beat your kids without telling them why?

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DL

Facts have nothing to do with what idiots or the ignorant think they are.

Facts are facts  and real, even if stupid people do not recognize them as such.

The world is not flat is a fact, even if fools think it is flat.

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DL

The faith of religious fools is not based on facts.

Facts do not need faith as they are demonstrably real.

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DL

I deal in facts, not fictions.

To respect liars is not the most moral thing to do.

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DL

Why should a lying church get a tax break, for just being a place where lies and fictions are taught as fact?

Why should liars get away with their religious lies and get tax dollars back for being liars?

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DL

True, along with the lies in their religions.

Without lies, no God religion would exist, because if one supernatural God exists, then there are many Gods that we are not to put above Yahweh/Jesus. The genocidal combo.

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DL