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@thett3
Most Americans that can afford health insurance don't want to be downgraded to government service levels.
The same people also don't mind giving that shitty government service level to poor people that can't afford anything.
A compromise can certainly be made here, but government lobbyists won't allow it.
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@TheUnderdog
The net effect of any and ALL government spending is lowered production and lowered standards of living through broken window fallacies which affects all people.
That's the actual cost and the actual tax that pays for government spending because the government can never produce anything. They can only reduce production.
Some might say subsidies are the method by which government "produces" products, but nowhere is the broken window most evident than in the case of subsidies. The government seizes wealth from the production of successful companies and transfers it over to incompetent industries that produce a substandard level of production. That is the essence of the broken window fallacy. The actual cost is the loss of products society would have enjoyed from competent producers. The loss of this opportunity that is not immediately apparent. It's the opportunity costs associated with all broken window government spending.
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@TheUnderdog
that's not exactly what happens with 401 k's...what happens is the portfolios shrink in value so every retired person pays for the tax on the rich.
portfolios also shrink in value if inflation is inflicted on the economy
Milton Freidman was 100 percent correct. Every government dollar spent will be paid eventually by ALL the people one way or the other, no matter what scheme you can devise.
Milton Freidman's uncontested theory was that the real measure of the actual tax on all the people is government spending alone.
Even if a poor person were to think their actual wealth increased with forced wealth transfers, the broken window fallacy comes into play. The actual cost to the poor person is the standard of living lost that he does not see were there no punitive disincentives for producers to provide him with the things they need. The unseen opportunities lost per the broken window fallacy is the tax all poor people pay.
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@coal
Apparently, the judge already questioned one juror about a book deal.
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@bmdrocks21
We FASCISTS love restricting the ability of minors to mutilate themselves and inject themselves with wack hormones.
That's not accurate.
We FASCISTS love restricting the ability of Democrat Parynts to mutilate their minor children and inject them with wack hormones.
The poor kids should be lucky they were not an abortion statistic and be grateful for the mutilation.
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This conversation started with you asking me why it matters for us to be divided by race, implying that myself and others like myself who point out racism when it’s obvious are really the ones doing the dividing.
I wasn't implying anything I was asking you why it matters to you. If your answer is anything except: "It doesn't," then you are a racist by default.
There's no logical reason TODAY to separate people in a functioning society by arbitrary physical characteristics, and you have given zero reasons to justify why we should.
I don’t support reparations, or at least anything that I think could reasonably be called reparations.
Then past injustices are irrelevant. Next.
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@n8nrgmi
u just made it way too complicated. it's a simple question, are the republicans becoming more or less liberal with time?
If you take Milton Freidman's definition of liberal (freedom to spend other people's money) then yes, Republicans are becoming more "liberal"
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Lol@social justice is about equality under the law. It's anything but that. Go read some of the critical race manifesto for proof. Social justice is all about mandating "equity" at the expense of equality under the law.
There is no functional difference between laws and policies based on critical race and social justice and the laws of the Jim Crow era. Both destroy the notion of equality under the law to promote outcomes that only the people in power can define as "equitable"
The notion of "separate but equal" (equity as defined by people in government power) was soundly defeated in 1954, and somehow has now seen a resurgence under the post-modern Marxists infesting Washington DC.
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I'm for equal treatment under the law, not the current social justice bullshit that feeds into more unrestricted inequality forced upon us from unequal government mandates. We don't need another resurgence of Jim Crow type laws promoting more inequality in the form of critical race mandates.
The government doesn't need more freedom to do whatever increases its power. That's the road to inequality.
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The most inequality in the world exists where there is the most unrestricted government control. It's not an accident or coincidental that California and New York have some of the highest Gini coefficients out of all the States in the USA. It's axiomatic.
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So you think that the government prohibiting our freedom to kill another in order to let our lives be guaranteed - to allow us to be free - is ridiculous?
Killing people in self-defense is protected by law, because it's a voluntary contract the people made. Killing people because you want stuff isn't, although the government makes all sorts of inequitable laws to protect selected classes of killers who support the creation of more government power such as groups of illegal aliens from totalitarian failed countries south of USA, or groups of people like BLM who riot that support totalitarianism and more government control, etc. Those groups get special allowances and exemptions from the established equal treatment under the law.
In a just and fair society, there would be equal treatment under the law and no exemptions. In a society where the government has unlimited power with no functional Constitutional blocks, there can be no equal treatment.
It's very likely within the next 10 years that the 1st 2 provisions of the Constitution (to be able to speak against the government and to provide self-defense against the government) will be functionally abolished. All because there exists a majority of people that support an unrestricted government.
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@HistoryBuff
The republicans are really far "right"
lol, they aren't though. Under every metric, the Republican party fails to provide anything close to the accepted wiki definition of right-wing.
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You don't impose freedom through government. That's such a ridiculous idea. Government is supposed to protect voluntary social contracts, not impose its own mandates.
Almost all inequity in America has been created in part or in whole with the support of the imposition of unfair government mandates, including Jim Crow atrocities.
The entire premise of the Constitution is to mandate freedom FROM government: To prohibit the government from enacting laws that promote inequity. Sadly, there is no party left in America anymore unwilling to shred the Constitution for the sole purpose of increasing their own power.
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@HistoryBuff
Generally speaking, people who want more freedom from the government are going to lean away from the left even if there is no real party on the right since the Republicans are into big government.
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@HistoryBuff
The other main influence is education. for the last few decades at least, generally speaking, the more education someone receives, the more likely they are to have left leaning views. The less education someone has, the more likely they are to have right leaning views.
That's only because the left has the power in all of public education to control the narratives. Try comparing the well-educated homeschooled, charter schools, or skilled tradesmen to people with no education for example.
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solve discrimination
The only way to "solve discrimination" is to genetically engineer everyone to have no preferences.
Maybe you should word what you really want to say better.
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@thett3
I keep telling my roommate, stop watching the news and listen to old comedy before it got woke. (George Carlin, Chappelle etc.)
It's better for your health.
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@thett3
Politics is all about power, and the most common political people are the ones deluded into thinking they have a share of the power people in Washington DC wield.
(The vast majority of us have no power in reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig )
It's all a feel-good illusion of power.
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@Double_R
Our society has already been divided. The plight of the black community for example was not self caused. You don’t just change the rules and expect that the effects of the previous rules suddenly disappear along with them.
Now you are talking about reparations.
Why don't you start a reparations thread then? I seriously doubt anyone reasonable is going to advocate your position about continuing a destructive policy of segregating people based on arbitrary physical phenomes. Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean the destruction needs to continue.
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@coal
okay, maybe not all of them. I think only a few from OJ and Zimmerman did books.
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@coal
I do not envy the jury.
They will all get book deals.
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@coal
Will you accept the jury's verdict?
Do you really believe there will not be riots regardless of the verdict?
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@coal
I have to confess, before the trial, I was absolutely certain Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd.
After taking the time to read the autopsy report, I did a complete 180, and then saw a lot of things the media did not cover to further substantiate my view.
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Ratmans article is solid gold so I will quote from Ratman's article:
The idea of "race" originated from anthropologists and philosophers in the 18th century, who used geographical location and phenotypic traits like skin color to place people into different racial groupings. That not only formed the notion that there are separate racial "types" but also fueled the idea that these differences had a biological basis.
That flawed principle laid the groundwork for the belief that some races were superior to others — creating global power imbalances that benefited white Europeans over other groups, in the form of the slave trade and colonialism. "We can't understand race and racism outside of the context of history, and more importantly economics. Because the driver of the triangular trade [which included slavery] was capitalism, and the accumulation of wealth," said Jayne O. Ifekwunigwe, a medical anthropologist at the Center on Genomics, Race, Identity, Difference (GRID) at the Social Science Research Institute (SSRI), Duke University. She is also the associate director of engagement for the Center on Truth, Racial Healing & Transformation (TRHT) at Duke. The center is part of a movement across the United States whose members lead events and discussions with the public to challenge historic and present-day racism.
The effects of this history prevail today — even in current definitions of race, where there's still an underlying assumption that traits like skin color or hair texture have biological, genetic underpinnings that are completely unique to different racial groups. Yet, the scientific basis for that premise simply isn't there.
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@Double_R
Ask our ancestors who enslaved a portion of the population for 400 years, followed by another 50 or so years of segregation.
I am asking you, not some ghost.
Tell me why this matters again for a functioning society to divide people like this?
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@Danielle
Greyparrot lacks reading comprehension (or is too stubborn to acknowledge this has already been addressed).
I'm saying the situation was escalated before Chauvin even got there. The crowd yelling at him was irrelevant.
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@Lemming
But suppose the defense produced a different breathing expert, that stated that a normal person would not have died from the actions of the policeman?
They will. And the Jury will decide who is more believable based on logic and evidence.
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@ILikePie5
Did you know Chauvin wasn't the first officer on the scene? He got a priority one call saying a large 230-pound man was actively resisting arrest. He had full authority at that point to pull his taser upon exiting his police cruiser and immediately open fire.
This isn't something the media covered.
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@ILikePie5
Numbers can be manipulated however someone wants.
What numbers? The only evidence in the autopsy report states:
No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma
negative...for occult (hidden) trauma...
The only number in the report is ZERO 🤷♂️
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@ILikePie5
The defense medical expert hasn’t come yet lol. They’ll say the complete opposite of what this guy said lmfao
Not only is there no autopsy evidence of strangulation, but the video shown today also shows that the knee was barely touching his neck most of the time not even touching his neck, consistent with the autopsy evidence. And where his knee actually was on the upper part of Floyd's back for the most part, no evidence of bruising was noted in the autopsy report. The defense hasn't even started to point this out.
Mind you Chauvin is 5'9 140 pounds. It's highly unlikely he could even physically do what the prosecution claims he did to a person much larger than him (6'4, 223 pounds.)
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@ILikePie5
The burden of proof is on the prosecution. The defense has already debunked many elements and they only needed to debunk one. The prosecution has no chance of convicting Chauvin on selected testimony alone with select cops declaring Chauvinbad. Murder 2 and 3 are completely off the table at this point.
Let's now talk about the Manslaughter charge since that's all that is left.
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@Double_R
Because melanin levels are as arbitrary as foot size. Tell me why this matters again for a functioning society to divide people like this?
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@Danielle
I think their comments are too little too late, but at least they publicly acknowledged how egregious it is for whatever that's worth.
So Companies have discovered that they can be used as mercenary footsoldiers for politicians in Washington DC. It's a new era in Crony corruption. No longer does a lobby need simply pay money to the DC coffers. Actions that destroy political competition are worth as much.
The fact that most Democrat States and Cities have uncontested political monopolies is a testament to how well the Democrat's strategy of destroying political competition manifests itself. Despite how bad Detroit, Chicago, New York, or California is, there hasn't been any real political competition in over 50 years, longer than you have been alive.
Republicans are new to the game, but they are catching up. Nothing Coke, Nike, or Apple has done or will do is going to actually help the lives of minorities anywhere on the planet. This is all about power and control. This power control game is why voter ID isn't an issue in states where Democrats already have a political monopoly. People in Detroit don't have a political alternative to vote for, regardless of how poorly or well the election process is regulated. Voter ID laws don't matter for those minorities.
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@Danielle
What's interesting is that you'd think big corporations would be on the side of the party that routinely advocates to cut their taxes, but they're not in the instance of Coca Cola and other companies speaking out against the new voter legislation in Georgia.
Companies don't primarily care about taxes. They primarily care about exemptions and subsidies because industry-wide tax breaks don't destroy competition like the former 2 things. Taxing the entire industry rarely ever translates to a larger market share by large companies. Market share is the ultimate prize.
When large companies lobby, it isn't for lower taxes. It's for more control over the Market. Lobbies don't need to pay DC politicians ungodly amounts to insert thousands of pages into current pork legislation just to get "lower taxes."
Corrupt lobbies are the costs associated with a society that centrally plans its economy from a dystopia like Washington DC.
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@coal
The long-term economic damage from Covid-19 shows how much more dangerous Central Planning is to human civilization than any known virus in existence.
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@coal
Classifying a race based on exact Melanin levels is as arbitrary as classifying a race on exact foot size.
Hence Social Construct. The methodology allows for infinite races and infinite racism.
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@ILikePie5
You only have 11 juror emotes...
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@ILikePie5
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@ILikePie5
Prosecution has to be batting .900 to win a Murder conviction. This case isn't anywhere near that close. It's over.
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@Danielle
ALL THE COPS TESTIFYING agree that Chauvin was 100% wrong.
How about the cops on the defense witness list? Oh, that's right. Haven't seen those cops yet. A trial isn't a popularity contest anyway, which is why the judge probably won't allow all 400 selected cops on the prosecutor's witness list to be heard.
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@Danielle
I love you.
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@FLRW
This is why Chauvin will be found guilty of murder. As soon as Floyd said he couldn't breathe, Chauvin should have gotten off his neck. Chauvin had a taser if Floyd tried to get up. This is what the police did in the Eric Garner case and why they weren't charged with murder.
He chose to use less force than required according to the prosecution's own witness. Murder is now off the table.
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@ILikePie5
Chauvin likely gets acquitted or there’s a hung jury
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@HistoryBuff
You seem to be conflating the words "Homicide" and "murder". They aren't the same thing.
That is correct. Nowhere in the press release is the word murder found.
The difference between a Prosecutor and a Medical Examiner is that only one must legally provide evidence for his conclusions. Can you guess which one that is?
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@Double_R
Is there a reason why we cannot have a reasonable conversation about what a racist is and what it takes to qualify as one?
Since race isn't genetic and is a social construct, everyone is a racist.
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@HistoryBuff
crushing George's neck
Oh boy, now you are coming back with the "crush the neck" claim? I am sure the defense team will have no problem discrediting that specific claim.
There's just no forensic proof that it happened at all. 🤷♂️
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@ILikePie5
I predict a hung jury.
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@Danielle
I love you.
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@HistoryBuff
You are saying in cases where a cop kills someone
I'm saying when someone makes life-altering choices that forces a cop to kill him partly because the person doesn't want to live anymore, suicide-by-cop isn't an option for a coroner.
This was also recorded as a homicide for example.
No officers went to jail.
The autopsy says Chauvin did it.
Man, your reading for detail is SO bad. Nowhere does Chauvin's name appear in the autopsy report. Why are you making shit up?
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@FLRW
You can win a civil suit against the incompetent government these days for claiming they farted in your direction. Hell, Canada's Government "gave" 10 million to a known terrorist.
In fact, the what was it... the 27 million dollars the city "paid" out? Several jurors had to be released for believing the city was partly guilty. Chauvin didn't pay a dime.
I've already shown you the evidence that anywhere from 500-700 pounds is required to compress a chest from the back enough to stop breathing, and there really is no rebuttal.
The amount of compression force required to stop a person from breathing from the back or the neck would have absolutely left evidence on an autopsy report.
Instead, the only broken rib noted was attributed to a much larger compression force used to resuscitate Floyd than the knee on his back restraining him from flailing. The autopsy showed the cuff abrasions on Floyd's wrists from when Floyd was flailing.
Zero Autopsy evidence of trauma from the back OR the neck. Zero.
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