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Yeah, imposing burdens of proof on myself for claims I never made is not really something I have time for.
This thread is full of non-claims and walkbacks... lol!
You can find the autopsies labeling Floyd's death a homicide pretty readily though.
Same with any other cop trial. In fact, nearly EVERY suicide-by-cop type trial has homicide listed on the report because there is no option for any other listing.
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@ILikePie5
crapđ
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@ILikePie5
the hands up one
Your signature
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@ILikePie5
how do you do that emote?
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@ILikePie5
Compression with no bruising...lol...
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@ILikePie5
How do you do that emote? :)
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@ILikePie5
The defense Attorneys haven't even gotten started.
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@Vader
which he committed by him kneeling down for 9 minutes with someone who was clearly already captured
Which wasn't strangulation. If I place my hand on your neck and pat it light enough so that no bruising occurs...did I contribute to your death when you swallowed 3x the OD level of Fentanyl?
Maybe in fantasyland.
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@Vader
If you fall down and break all your legs and can't get up and I shoot you, is that murder?
Only if you can prove it with an autopsy.
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@Vader
Even so, the proper conduct of a police officer is not kneel down on the victim for 9 minutes straight.
For the thousandth time, Chavin isn't on trial for improper conduct or bad policing...
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@ILikePie5
No one ever said he was drunk. He was high on drugs and was clearly delusional considering he started saying he couldnât breathe before they brought him to the ground - an actual symptom of fentanyl overdose.Â
His friend, Morries Hall, the drug dealer who is now implicated in his death because he gave Floyd the drugs that he then swallowed in an attempt to destroy evidence is pleading the fifth. This isn't over.
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@Vader
The triggering factor was the knee to the neck.
Trigger? That sounds like you are walking back the strangulation claim now that you know it absolutely requires a bruisable force to accomplish that.
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@Vader
Strangling from the front is relatively easy, but from the side or the back, you are talking about hundreds of pounds of force. That's absolutely going to show up in an autopsy.
I guarantee you if I were to put my knee to the side of your neck and balanced the 200+ lbs required to restrict airflow to the trachea, you will be feeling the bruise for weeks.
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@Vader
I mean if I were to lie down on your neck for 9 minutes straight you'd still probably die even when sober.Â
Not without evidence that would show up on an autopsy. The force required to stop the airflow to the trachea from the side is tremendous, not just a simple knee resting on it.
It's crazy how many people really don't understand this concept.
Strangling from the front is relatively easy, but from the side or the back, you are talking about hundreds of pounds of force. That's absolutely going to show up in an autopsy.
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@Vader
 Even someone not doped up would probably die.
Not without some evidence from an autopsy report. The force required to strangle someone especially from the side or the back would have left evidence.
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@ILikePie5
HB says the evidence exists, it's just not available to us peons.
Meanwhile, court documents show multiple times no evidence of strangulation from the autopsies.
how do you do that emote?Â
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"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had
underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The
combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any
potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."
It's recorded in legal documents that they have no evidence of a strangulation. Read it.
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@HistoryBuff
The much more logical explanation is that they know what they are talking about and you lack the medical expertise to understand the autopsy report.Â
Fine, show me where the evidence is for their findings.
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@HistoryBuff
Because I don't have that.Â
Probably because it does not exist.
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@HistoryBuff
What he is saying is that Chauvin killed George by crushing him with his knee.
Based on what autopsy evidence?
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@HistoryBuff
No life-threatening injuries identified.
The medical examiner can say an elephant killed Floyd and it would hold the same weight in court as him declaring it was a homicide. Did you even read the disclaimer on the propaganda press release?
Here I will do your work for you as usual.
Manner of death classification is a statutory function of the medical examiner,
as part of death certification for purposes of vital statistics and public health.
Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and
should not be used to usurp the judicial process. Such decisions are outside
the scope of the Medical Examinerâs role or authority.
Under Minnesota state law, the Medical Examiner is a neutral and independent
office and is separate and distinct from any prosecutorial authority or law
enforcement agency.
Done.
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@HistoryBuff
lol, this is just sad. The official finding from that autopsy was that George died from homicide due to "neck compression". I already provided that for you. You simply choose to ignore what the findings were and cherry pick specific chunks of the report that suit what you want to believe. But somehow still cite the autopsy that determined it was homicide. That kind of double think is baffling.Â
The autopsy report doesn't have the word homicide in the report. It also has no evidence for any injury or marking on the neck. The defense only needs the official autopsy report to prove their case, not a press release.
The autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floydâs system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death.
Now if you want to challenge the medical examiner's report and the lack of evidence for strangulation, good luck with that.
FINAL DIAGNOSES:
46-year-old man who became unresponsive while being restrained by law
enforcement officers; he received emergency medical care in the field
and subsequently in the Hennepin HealthCare (HHC) Emergency
Department, but could not be resuscitated.
I. Blunt force injuries
 A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and
upper lip
 B. Mucosal injuries of the lips
 C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands,
elbows, and legs
 D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists,
consistent with restraints (handcuffs)
II. Natural diseases
 A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
 B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension
 C. Left pelvic tumor (incidental, see microscopic description)
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III. No life-threatening injuries identified
 A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
 B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
 C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
 D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
 E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma
IV. Viral testing (Minnesota Department of Health, postmortem nasal
swab collected 5/26/2020): positive for 2019-nCoV RNA by PCR
(see âComments,â below)
V. Hemoglobin S quantitation (postmortem femoral blood, HHC
Laboratory): 38% (see âComments,â below)
VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
 1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
 2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
 3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
 4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
 5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
 6. Cotinine positive
 7. Caffeine positive
B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
isopropanol, or acetone
C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL
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Comments: The finding of sickled-appearing cells in many of the
autopsy tissue sections prompted the Hemoglobin S quantitation
reported above. This quantitative result is indicative of sickle
cell trait. Red blood cells in individuals with sickle cell trait
are known to sickle as a postmortem artifact. The decedentâs
antemortem peripheral blood smear (made from a complete blood count
collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m.) was reviewed by an expert HHC
hematopathologist at the Medical Examinerâs request. This review
found no evidence of antemortem sickling.
The decedent was known to be positive for 2019-nCoV RNA on 4/3/2020.
Since PCR positivity for 2019-nCoV RNA can persist for weeks after
the onset and resolution of clinical disease, the autopsy result most
likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent PCR positivity from
previous infection.
Strangulation is nowhere in this official autopsy report.
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@ILikePie5
The official autopsy report shows no contusions anywhere on the back, side, or front of Floyd's neck. People assumed with no evidence that Chauvin was strangling Floyd. It's actually impossible to choke someone without applying some kind of pressure to the trachea which is at the front of the neck, not the back where there is a thick column of bone. To choke someone from the side of the neck requires some kind of trauma that would have been noted on the autopsy report. Zero evidence was found on the official autopsy report. Was his knee touching his neck? Likely. Did he strangle Floyd with his knee? The autopsy report says not a chance.
Zero.
Evidence.
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@Athias
Just to be clear, there are many more factors involved in selecting a partner than just comparing 23-and-me percentages.
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@Danielle
The chief and other officers testified that kneeling on someone's neck when they are handcuffed on the ground was âin no way, shape or formâ part of department policy or training
So what? Chauvin isn't on trial for violating police policy.
How about you point to me in the autopsy report the evidence that Floyd's neck sustained trauma that contributed to his death since HB can't seem to find it either.
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@Danielle
Predictably, none of your response comes close to answering my question.Â
Because I was wrong about the reasons why Coke did this.
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@Danielle
IN A GOOD WAY.
Lol, I didn't read it as a good thing. Maybe a cult worshipper would though.Â
The point of the article is that Trump wasn't the one getting his dick sucked.
The article is literally about Donald Trump praising Mitch McConnell,
Thanks for proving my point.
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@Danielle
Companies like Apple, Nike, NBA and Coca-Cola operate precisely like rats on a sinking ship.
They see America in full decline and they know exactly where to go for safe harbor.
Anti-American propaganda is the grease for the wheels.
The US dropped to 20th on economic freedom.
With a low ranking like this, there really is no threat to their American market share. The lower the score on this chart, the more friendly a nation is to crony capitalism.
And China leads the world in Crony Capitalism.
You won't find Companies in, say, Australia(3) or New Zealand(2) overtly attacking their local consumers to gain market share in China because they are much more easily replaced than the Crony Monopolies entrenched in the USA.(20)
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@Danielle
It pays to promote Americabad.
Just ask LeBron James.
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@ILikePie5
Lol no. People need to lose some more games so they can figure how to play.
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@HistoryBuff
No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures.
Autopsy clearly shows Chauvin did not "crush" the man's neck. Nowhere on the contusion part of the autopsy is ANY injury described around the neck. Chauvin is going to walk and there will be riots because people can't read and don't know the difference between a medical examiner and a forensic scientist.
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@HistoryBuff
"Manner of death is not a legal determination of culpability or intent, and should not be used to usurp the judicial process. Such decisions are outside the scope of the Medical Examinerâs role or authority."
You're such a mouthbreathing CNN watcher. You don't even read your own documents.
A press release is not an autopsy report.
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@HistoryBuff
The doctor that did the autopsy concluded George's death was homicide.Â
Which given Chauvin was kneeling on his neck would make perfect sense.Â
maybe makes perfect sense to a perfect mouthbreathing CNN worshipper that has not seen one minute of police footage of a suspect having pressure on the BACK of the neck and being able to breathe fine since the trachea is physically located at the front of the neck. Not to mention if you can't breathe, you can't say that you can't breathe.
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@ILikePie5
He can't understand that the idea of the traditional theocratic Republican party died when Trump exposed them for being DC parasites.
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@HistoryBuff
Sounds like you are conceding it is an open and shut case of murder.
I am conceding it is an open and shut case of a deviation from a policy violation that may or may not have led to the death of a person, but that isn't what this police officer is on trial for.
The 2nd part isn't going to be able to be proved, and I think you know this.
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@ILikePie5
None of them would be able to cope with the consequences of living in a free State.
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@Double_R
111 lives lost was the result of not weatherizing their power grid. There is nothing about enforcing that which causes people to not be able to make a single life decision.
The regulatory climate that allowed 111 people to win the Darwin Award for not making smart life choices like the vast majority of Texans did is the exact same reason why Texas is a refuge from the California Dystopia.
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@FLRW
 it has 100% efficacy against hospitalization and death from the virus.
No. Plus that isn't what he said.
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@HistoryBuff
I've provided evidence showing Chauvin broke procedure,
And it is absolutely irrelevant to the case, despite what the corporate media wants you to think.
If Chauvin wore his gun on his back instead of his right side, he would have broken police procedure, and it could be shown in court that it was true.Â
But if the prosecutor cannot prove that the violation of that specific procedure caused a person's death, then it means nothing at all. Like I said before, there are hundreds on hundreds of hours of bodycam footage showing suspects not overdosing on Fentanyl being restrained with a knee to the BACK of the neck being able to breathe just fine with no risk of death. The prosecutor is going to have an insanely hard time proving a knee to the back of the neck likely caused a death, or that the police officer should have reasonably known it could have caused a death when there exists so much bodycam footage the media does not want to show you proving the complete opposite.
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@n8nrgmi
you have a hundred percent chance of not dying as a benefit.
Why do you think this? It's such a wild thing to say.
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@ILikePie5
Read this:
It's absolutely criminal that people in California and New York continue to have a say in mandating policy for the rest of the country with their failed dystopias.
Jordan Peterson would tell them to go clean their rooms before changing the world.
"If you can't even clean up your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world?"
"My sense is that if you want to change the world, you start with yourself and work outward because you build your competence that way. I don't know how you can go out and protest the structure of the entire economic system if you can't keep your room organized."
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@Double_R
And 111 Texans would still be alive.
No, they wouldn't. California and New York are absolute shitholes because of all the hyper-regulation. Governments are worse predictors of future events than the private investors that are liable for poor judgment. The price California and New York pay for saving 111 unseen lost lives with their mountains of cumbersome regulations are millions of people unable to make a single life choice that might carry some unforeseen risk without getting approval from the government. That ain't America, and it's exactly why people who have the means are leaving those "Utopias"
2.8 million Americans died in 2019 without Covid, and if they lived in New York or California, they probably were not able to afford to die free.
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If the government were in charge of the power grid in Texas, they would be paying the same rates as California for electricity with regulations mandating all power plants be winterized for the next event coming in a hundred years.
Dumb argument ratman.
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@Vader
Man take it easy on MC, he probably has little experience losing games.
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@Double_R
youâll have to excuse me if I have a difficult time understanding white bigotry.
Ok then. Here is a video to clear up bigotry against people afflicted with white skin.
Mind you this is a GOP fucktard doing this.
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@Double_R
Anyone who uses the word "migrants" like you did to describe illegal migrants as you clearly did in post #11 is obviously a radical.
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@Double_R
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@Double_R
Sorry, but promoting illegal immigration is radical.
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