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@Double_R
Trust me, you wouldn't think for a second about sharing your living space with a person who doesn't speak a language you can understand.
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@Double_R
Funny, those are the same states complaining about migrants coming in with COVID.
COVID is the only language a gated NIMBY radical leftist can hear.
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VTL SPEED
Not going to post anything else till the end game.
gg guys.
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@ILikePie5
I remember reading an article penned by some vapid radical leftist referring to a 6'2, 240 pound 14-year-old as a "child"
These people must never leave the house.
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@ILikePie5
I would if I wasn't invisible to the government up here while I graciously allow the taxpayers up here to fill my crypto bank.
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@ILikePie5
For the same reason liberals don’t wanna harbor illegals in their homes
Brutal burn bro.
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@ILikePie5
I hope you took every dime of the stimulus money and put it away in cryptocurrency where the government can't touch when you decide to move.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll be ready, while they’ll be crying because they’re offended
Why can't you just depend on the government like a good soldier?
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So no matter how you look at it, Chauvin was not following proper police procedure.
That's irrelevant, especially with the settlement the city gave that put the blame on the cities police policies instead of a scapegoat.
The only relevant fact that needs to be proven in court is this.
With hundreds of hours of bodycam footage with suspects (not on drugs) being able to breathe just fine with a knee to the back of the neck, is it still beyond a reasonable doubt that putting a knee to the back of someone's neck will reasonably cause death?
Clearly no.
And even if it was the case that it was reasonably certain that a knee to the back of the neck of a person overdosed on Fentanyl would reasonably cause death, there was absolutely no way for Chauvin to know that. Floyd said he couldn't breathe. He didn't say he just swallowed a bag of Fentanyl because he was afraid of getting busted in a drug deal gone bad.
This case was done long ago, people just don't care. It's riot time.
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@coal
I think the elite governments of the world gave up long ago the idea that people should be free to be in charge of their individual destinies and as an extension: free to suffer individual consequences for poor lifestyle choices.
They just needed to remind the people with this.
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@Earth
@Vader
@WaterPhoenix
alright since we are the only town we have to band together to do this.
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@MisterChris
Why didn't you convince speed to hammer Oro? You could have killed me last night and then pushed speed as getting an innocent from Oro.
You guys really dropped the ball bad with your NK choice.
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@MisterChris
If anything, speed as scum DELIBERATELY chose a double voter to track KNOWING FULL WELL WP would confirm that he went nowhere.
You can't possibly be this bad at this game. I don't believe it.
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@MisterChris
Not to mention, if you were actually town, you would have challenged speed's unlikely choice as to who to track. It's so absolutely ridiculous to think mod put a double voter in as a scum role. That would be beyond overpowered, and speed as town should have known that.
I was going to protect Oro but took a chance at catching scum by using a block as my last action.
There's absolutely no reason to be giving speed a free pass at this point.
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@WaterPhoenix
it prob goes away btw
Need more info. Ask the mod if you have to.
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@MisterChris
Dude speed flat out lied about being a tracker. that trumps anything about a cop result knowing mods put immunities and flavors in cops all the damn time.
Speed has NO EXCUSE.
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@MisterChris
Whatever, it's clear who the second scum is now.
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@MisterChris
Did he confirm that your ACTION itself was successful,
Word for word Pie said my action went through.
It's clear anyone not voting for speedy today is absolutely scum.
If you are town and have a hard-on for supa, make a case tomorrow.
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lol not how this role works. Blocks are successful regardless of whether the person actually used a role or not....
Speed lied about being Tracker. This is a no-brainer unless you are speed's scumbuddy.
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@Speedrace
Dude, why didn't you just hammer Oro and kill me last night? You usually play a lot better as scum than this.
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@Earth
@Vader
@MisterChris
@WaterPhoenix
Okay mod just verified my action went through
I blocked Speed.
VTL SPEED
easy lynch today speed is confirmed scum due to mod confirming my night action going through
I am also out of uses so I was damn lucky to get one scum with one of my 2x blocking choices.
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@Vader
Everyone on the ORO lynch was obviously town.
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@ILikePie5
You didn't tell me what my action results were
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@HistoryBuff
So even if it could be medically proven that kneeling on his neck had nothing to do with his death (which seems highly unlikely),
Pretty easy to prove in court though. It was police policy up until 2016 to kneel on the neck, and there are hundreds of hours of Bodycam footage with a suspect being restrained with a knee to the back (not the front) of the neck and being able to breathe just fine. One outlier doesn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Riots incoming, no matter what happens.
Edit. Oh and it's nice to hear someone who can pronounce Fentanyl correctly
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@Speedrace
in the insanely rare chance you are town pleaze vote oro
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@Vader
supa unvote oro so Chris can vote and you can hammer oro.
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@MisterChris
Ill hammer oro if you dont which means town wont get a round of my ability.
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@WaterPhoenix
vote anyone but supa. It's statistically highly unlikely Supa is scum that has no night action plus his behavior is screaming town.
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@WaterPhoenix
Use your double vote up now so we know you have that ability. It's more important to get you towncred than it is for town to have a doublevote 1x in the arsenal.
Besides which you already know Scumteam won't allow you to live to lylo anyways so use your power today.
Then we can decide if mod was going to make the game unreasonably unbalanced by giving scumteam a doublevoter.
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@MisterChris
I guarantee one or possibly 2 scum are on the Supa wagon right now.
Absolutely.
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@MisterChris
This is a VERY bad idea. First off...supa doesn't have a killing role as verified from my night action, and it's highly likely both scum have some kind of night action.
Voting Supa will likely be a game over for town.
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@MisterChris
every town has to be on a scum vote if you want me to abstain and use a power tonight
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@MisterChris
2x blocker/protector can only use if I do not vote and I tried to block supa and failed last np
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@Vader
wp probably is not scum with that role
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@Vader
ok that most likely means you are town for waiting so long
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@Double_R
They were absolutely ready to Impeach Trump, but Mueller had the balls to declare there was no collusion.
It didn't matter though. The radical leftist tyrants discovered they could impeach their political opposition not once but twice without the need for an independent investigator coming out to say there is no evidence. That is the new rubric.
Thanks for supporting that.
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@Double_R
I can understand from a leftist's viewpoint that sacrificing millions of kids with school lockdowns was worth it to ensure Trump was removed from power, but Trump is now gone for at least 4 years. Why are we continuing the insane lockdowns now? Are not the radical left terrorists appeased with Trump gone? Or will it take a genocide of all opposition? What will it take to save America's kids?
How many more years of lost youth is acceptable due to Orangemanbad?
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@Double_R
What hard choices is the political right in this country making regarding COVID?
Ending a tyrannical lockdown.
No, it’s a response to an ideology that divorces public policy from the findings of science
You misspelled political scientists. People like you that swear Fauci is an unbiased scientist contribute to devastating school lockdowns. You caused that tragedy along with a bunch of gullible people on the right who believed with cult-like fascination that Fauci was unbiased.
If you want an example of a partisan buzzword try “radical”.
The wonky Lockdown of non at-risk people was absolutely a radical policy.
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When it comes to navigating the pandemic, many proudly proclaim: "Follow The Science." It's a popular and feel-good message. To me, #FollowTheScience means that science is essential to making good and rational decisions and implies that science makes policy decisions clear. The first half of that sentence is right. The second half is dangerously wrong. I think we must address what science is and is not.
Of course, science is necessary to navigate the pandemic. Science -- in the form of randomized trials -- allows us to separate therapies that work (dexamethasone) from those that do not (hydroxychloroquine). Science has allowed us to develop two mRNA vaccines, which may yet free us from this plague. The rapid development of a vaccine on this timespan is a great success of science, or as the "The Onion" reports, "Nation Can't Believe They Spent So Long Overlooking Obvious Solution Of mRNA Instructions For Spike Protein Encapsulated In Lipid Nanoparticle."
At the same time, science will never be sufficient to guide choices and trade-offs. Science cannot make value judgments. Science does not determine policy. Policy is a human endeavor that combines science with values and priorities. In other words, science can help quantify the increased risk (or lack thereof) of school reopening on SARS-Cov-2 spread, and help quantify the educational losses from continued closure, but science cannot tell you whether to open or close schools. Making the decision requires values, principles, a vision of the type of society we want to be. How much do we care about the kids that rely on public school? Is it enough to offset a theoretical (but unsubstantiated) risk of viral spread? On this topic, I agree with others that we have chosen poorly.
When it comes to COVID-19 policy, we have faced and continue to face immense trade-offs. Every restriction we place may slow viral spread, but may carry dozens of unforeseen countervailing consequences. Scientists can help define these trade-offs, but scientists have no special ability to speak about values on behalf of all citizens. In other words, science is necessary but not sufficient to deal with COVID-19. Thinking otherwise is a dangerous view that steals political power from people and gives it to scientists under false pretenses.
There are several other misconceptions about science in the age of COVID-19. Let me discuss a few.
1. Credentialism is not science. Science is not the degrees someone has or where they trained. Is their view justified or is it unsupported? I joke that when someone disagrees with you about COVID-19 policy, you ask if they have an MD, MPH, PhD, faculty appointment, policy expertise, and infectious disease background. But if they agree with you, none of that matters. They are a self-taught savant and amateur expert!
2. Science is not dogmatic; it demands testable, falsifiable hypotheses. The hallmark of science is that when there are competing ideas, we can agree on studies that will decide who is correct. Believing in things that cannot be falsified or tested is religion. Science is everything else. I worry we have a lot of religion when it comes to COVID-19.
3. Science is never censoring. Over the course of the pandemic, YouTube removed videos by university professors with unpopular views, and Facebook and Twitter have labeled some posts as false or inaccurate. Even if we disagree with these speakers, this is dangerous. Science is the idea that we must confront, discuss, debate, and refute ideas. Using brute force, the power of the platform, to proclaim the truth is antithetical to our creed.
The simple fact is that most heretical ideas will turn out to be false, but some may be true. Academic freedom is the idea that we allow many people to be wrong, so that some may be right. That doesn't mean we blindly accept everything folks say, in fact, it means the opposite, we must interrogate and challenge them, but we must create an environment where folks can argue their case, even if initially unpopular.
4. Science is not a popularity contest of consensus. In an era of petitions, it seems as if science is the belief that most scientists hold. This is incorrect. Science is a process to make sense of the world, and folks in the minority may well be vindicated. In fact, throughout history, there have been many moments in medicine where the majority was wrong.
5. Science is applying criticism impartially, equally, fairly. Let's say there are two studies about masks. One is a randomized trial with a wide confidence interval, the other is a retrospective observational study with myriad deficiencies. It is completely fine to fault the RCT for having results that are compatible with a broad range of outcomes, and I did, but one cannot celebrate the observational study as "proving masks work" simply because its conclusion aligns with one's worldview. In other words, we have to apply critical appraisal fairly. If we try to convince others that weak or faulty evidence proves something works, we are not scientists, but magicians.
6. Observational studies on hot topics are a self-fulfilling prophecy. For popular and debated questions, such as the benefit of hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, and other interventions, retrospective observational studies are guaranteed to give you what you wish. I don't mean any specific study will be positive or negative, but some studies will be positive and some will be negative.
Consider this: there are thousands of datasets, and tens of thousands of investigators and these folks carry strong biases in both directions (that an intervention helps or is useless), and there is enough flexibility in analysis, that it is guaranteed with enough time, we will get observational studies showing that these practices help or hurt. The only way out of the maze is randomization. Randomized trials are desperately needed on hot topics, as these constrain multiple testing, and limit analytic flexibility through pre-specified protocols.
7. What works, in theory, does not always work in practice. There is an entire branch of science called Implementation science, which studies the gap between what works in ideal settings and what works given the messy realities of the real world. Some scientists fault the public for not heeding public health recommendations, but these folks miss the point. How you communicate your message and the sustainability and uptake of your message are part of the intervention itself, and you must be judged by what is achieved. Public policy is a pragmatic science. It is what happens when science meets real life.
Science is a tool. It is quite possibly the best tool human beings have ever devised, but just like any tool, it has limits. It cannot tell you how to adjudicate trade-offs. It is not merely what the majority believe. It requires open-mindedness and humility. It may not offer insights where bias and multiple hypothesis testing dominate. It requires one to constantly question one's assumptions, to devise experiments that may surprise. It is necessary to battle a pandemic, but it is not sufficient. We can and should embrace science, but we cannot follow it. It is up to us to make the hard choices. Not scientists.
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@Double_R
"following science"
Again, another buzzphrase coined by the radical left.
We can and should embrace science, but we cannot follow it. It is up to us to make the hard choices. Not scientists.
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@TheUnderdog
Got a source for that?
Yes, I would love to see some kind of source indicating the Iranian-backed militias coming to the negotiating table now that Biden is in charge of policy there.
“Riyadh and Washington are trying to impose through negotiation what they failed to achieve through the use of force – and that’s unacceptable to us,” al-Hanash, a Sana’a-based Houthi negotiator said.
The real story behind Yemen is that Iran is clearly using this proxy war ultimately as a way to leverage Biden to relax sanctions on Iran. I guarantee this will happen in a few years, leading to a revival of Iranian-backed violence throughout the entire region due to short-sighted policies based on vapid optics.
While many would agree the USA should just recuse itself from the pointless Theocratic middle-east wars, oil dependence leaves few options. There are countless lobbyists in Washington DC that just can't wait to get their hands on cheap Iranian crude oil to fuel their refineries.
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@Unpopular
I said society seems to brush off 550,000 covid deaths.
Society brushes off 2.8 million dead Americans every year from non-Covid. Why you might ask? Because it's a natural bill coming due.
Every Birth in America will eventually become a death statistic in America, regardless of the cause. Until there is a decrease in net population, which Covid nowhere near made a dent in, then it's absolutely brushable off.
I predict due to the culling of the weak and the old in America in 2020 (about 340,000 from CDC stats for 2020) that non-covid deaths will be a lot lower than the predicted 2.8 million deaths for 2021 while births will be over 4 million. The real crisis is that there are not enough deaths to slow the population growth. The planet can't sustain the CO2 footprint of so many humans with this perpetual population growth even if we all had socially approved energy sources. We celebrate 4 million births a year while refusing to accept the reality that eventually there will be 4 million deaths a year down the road no matter what policy you can devise. Whether you try to lockdown to "slow" this reality or not. The end result is the same. This is why old people rage against the dying light and refuse to die huddled in a corner.
Cuomo shut down New York in March-April, back when very little was known about the virus,
For everyone but the 15,000 dead in retirement homes. Some lockdown.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
-Dylan Thomas
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@fauxlaw
The fact that Congress spent time from Day one working to remove Trump instead of helping the country to move forward set a new purpose for the Congress: To use majority power to eliminate political opposition.
Once one party does it, the other party will follow suit in retaliation. Thus the people are forever forgotten as they take a backseat to petty political power grabs from people who live and work in Washington DC, far from the people they are supposed to shepherd. We haven't seen such a disregard for democracy since FDR tried to permanently eliminate SCOTUS opposition with majority power.
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