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@Vader
I really don't know how shitty your educational facilities are where you live, but you should read an abridged version of the book One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich. It is mandatory reading in Russian schools.
If after you read that you don't immediately have a visceral mistrust of authoritarian governments like the one the OP advocates, then you are in the vast minority.
Alternatively, you can watch a clip outlining some of the main concepts if you don't have time to read.
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@Vader
1. he wants to kick millions off their health insurance, and he has no plans to replace it. he's talked about getting people healthcare but is a stooge to the republicans so he won't do it
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to purchase healthcare on the pain of punishment.
2. he wants to allow companies to pollute mercury into the environment, which is a serious neurotoxin. among all the other pollutants he's cool with
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to ascribe to arbitrary levels of mercury set by flawed men in government on the pain of punishment.
3. his center piece for legislation that he could actually get through congress, is a give away to the wealthy and tax cuts are stupid to do during good economic times. how is it wise to borrow against your kids to fund the government?
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to confiscate your wealth if you have a good idea that can improve the lives of millions and create millions of jobs as if the economy was a zero-sum game.
4. he wants enact no gun control, despite the fact that gun control works according to the best science out there, according to the scientific consensus. he talks like he wants more background checks, but is a stooge to the NRA
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to give up their 2nd amendment rights for arbitrary reasons from flawed people in government.
5. he has no plan to transition us to alternative energy, and got us out of the Paris accord to reduce air pollution. if carbon dioxide is the highest it's been in millions of years, and twice what it's been for hundreds of thousands of years, and it causes global warming according to the scientific consensus, maybe we shouldn't be putting so much in the air? just a thought. i'm mostly worried about droughts due to global warming.
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to purchase the kinds of green energy they do not want with arbitrary expenditures from flawed people in government purchasing failed ventures like Solyndra.
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to purchase any of the things on the shopping list of the green new deal.
Even if I were to agree with all 5 of those points, it's not worth having the authoritarian government required to implement them. I would rather die free than live a long life in shackles.
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@warren42
Are you a fan of Milton Freidman?
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@ILikePie5
Says a lot about your morals if you vote for a rapist after believing all women.
HB isn't going to vote for Biden.
It would be like a Jew voting for Hitler.
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@ILikePie5
Trained seals clap when the government makes personal choices for them.
Boy, do they clap loudly.
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@HistoryBuff
It's not bad if every other politician is doing it.
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@HistoryBuff
He blew up the deficit.
Bernie supporters are not allowed to complain about the National Debt by definition.
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@Vader
I've been using my quarantine time to watch every episode of Milton Friedman's series from the 80's.
Free to Choose.
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@n8nrgmi
there's also an authoritarian government from another perspective contrary to yours, you just side with evil.
There is no such thing as a benevolent government.
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@Vader
Antitrumpers seem to act like a newly separated wife who hates her ex so much that she doesn’t care what happens to the kids as long as it hurts her ex.
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@n8nrgmi
Why would you purchase a product from someone who kills people? You sound really dumb here.
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@n8nrgmi
1. he wants to kick millions off their health insurance, and he has no plans to replace it. he's talked about getting people healthcare but is a stooge to the republicans so he won't do it
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to purchase healthcare on the pain of punishment.
2. he wants to allow companies to pollute mercury into the environment, which is a serious neurotoxin. among all the other pollutants he's cool with
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to ascribe to arbitrary levels of mercury set by flawed men in government on the pain of punishment.
3. his center piece for legislation that he could actually get through congress, is a give away to the wealthy and tax cuts are stupid to do during good economic times. how is it wise to borrow against your kids to fund the government?
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to confiscate your wealth if you have a good idea that can improve the lives of millions and create millions of jobs as if the economy was a zero-sum game.
4. he wants enact no gun control, despite the fact that gun control works according to the best science out there, according to the scientific consensus. he talks like he wants more background checks, but is a stooge to the NRA
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to give up their 2nd amendment rights for arbitrary reasons from flawed people in government.
5. he has no plan to transition us to alternative energy, and got us out of the Paris accord to reduce air pollution. if carbon dioxide is the highest it's been in millions of years, and twice what it's been for hundreds of thousands of years, and it causes global warming according to the scientific consensus, maybe we shouldn't be putting so much in the air? just a thought. i'm mostly worried about droughts due to global warming.
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to purchase the kinds of green energy they do not want with arbitrary expenditures from flawed people in government purchasing failed ventures like Solyndra.
It requires an authoritarian government to mandate the public to purchase any of the things on the shopping list of the green new deal.
Even if I were to agree with all 5 of those points, it's not worth having the authoritarian government required to implement them. I would rather die free than live a long life in shackles.
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@blamonkey
Where's your data from the controlled cruise ship statistics?
They demonstrate .4% on the low end and .66% on the high end. Nowhere near anything you have cited.
Young healthy people continue to be bombarded with false panic media.
The death rate for young healthy people is <.01%
Citing month old articles isn't the strongest information we have right now.
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@blamonkey
In any case, we get a pretty good idea what would happen in the event that the government and people don't change their behavior: 2.2 million deaths.
This isn't anywhere near accurate from our 100% tested sample populations from cruise ships.
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@blamonkey
And what does it even matter out of the 3 million deaths annually looking at 50,000?
The proportionality is completely out of whack to the panic induced response.
Especially among the young and healthy.
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@blamonkey
Covid-19 has a higher fatality rate than influenza, regardless of what demographic we're talking about.
Compare the increase of the number of deaths from COVID to the seasonal flu deaths with the amount of pure bullshit increase of panic media covering last year's seasonal flu to this year's COVID.
It's not even remotely proportional. Not even close.
We have a good control study from the cruise ships that were tested at a 100% rate, so we know the death rate is around .7% controlling for the average age of people being tested.
That's .6% more than the seasonal flu, hardly a reason for this level of panicked world reaction considering that number will be alot lower over time as the public develops herd immunity.
Many more healthy young people are going to die in swimming pools than from COVID. Many more healthy middle-aged people are going to die in swimming pools than COVID. We know who the flu kills. It's by a very very large margin unhealthy old people, but it's the young healthy people that are told by the media to panic. It's fucking wrong.
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@blamonkey
More young people die in swimming pools than Young, healthy people from coronavirus. Fucking overblown.
Old people with health complications have always died from the flu with little fanfare.
4 million babies are born every year in the USA. If there isn't some mechanism, natural or man-made to facilitate around 4 million deaths a year in America, we got a bigger problem than anything the media tells you.
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@HistoryBuff
There are plenty of otherwise healthy people who require hospitalization because of corona virus.
More young people die in swimming pools than from coronavirus. Fucking overblown.
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@ILikePie5
Pretty sure HB isn't going to vote for Biden anyway.
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@Danielle
It's true, the accusations were not nearly as well-timed or choreographed as the Kavanaugh women.
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@HistoryBuff
The latest figures i can find is that 54,239 americans have died from corona virus.
Died WITH or died FROM the corona virus? There is a huge distinction and it actually matters. There's plenty of people walking around that might not know they have next to no chance of dying from coronavirus if they have zero other health complications.
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@ILikePie5
It aint rape if she is too young to say no.
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@Singularity
Corona Curve is already flattened, yet panic news doesn't care.
They will cherrypick whatever images they need to keep their $50,000 dollar a day propagandist talking heads like Anderson Cooper paid.
This guy has 110 million reasons not to give a fuck about you or the truth.
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@ILikePie5
let's see how the convention goes. Then we can get an idea how the DNC wants to manipulate the election.
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@Singularity
I respect the fact bill Maher is not an NPC and actually looks at all the facts.
Usually, on the rare instances where the Orangemanbad crowd like Maher and NYT and sane people agree, you can be sure the truth is there.
Pandemic overblown is obvious.
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@Singularity
If the media's narrative is true, why would they lie? Think about it. If the truth is on your side,you would have zero reason to sensationalize, lie or practice any sort of phony alarmist.
Bill Maher, who absolutely hates Trump's guts knows this is all an overblown lie.
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@ILikePie5
They are waiting for Biden to die so they can get a real candidate.
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@Singularity
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@Singularity
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@ILikePie5
CNN hasn't fact-checked her story. Checkmate.
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@Singularity
Who stands to profit from a population fixated on negativity and panic?
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@ILikePie5
People will always act in their own self-interest. Altruism is just fancy frosting on the turd of instinctive herd mentality.
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@Singularity
The government is bailing out empty hospitals with your taxes. That's why the Constitution was made to keep the government from taking this much control.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'll imply that I am interested in your hypothetical delusions.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'll start a Debate.
DD claims that GP says Coal Pollution and poor lifestyle health choices are mutually exclusive.
Do you accept?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
the only person here saying they are is you.
Quote me where I said that. or don't.
I can spot a contrived narrative from a mile away. Your bright tie colors are undermining your sneakiness.
You brought it up. You. Only you.
I note a discrepancy in the attention paid to 2 things, and your brain reflexively snaps to an extreme position.
That's not healthy dude. Who trained you to clap so loudly?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I guess I can pretend they are mutually exclusive to push a narrative that some guy got paid $50,000 a day on TV to plant inside my skull.
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@HistoryBuff
those things kill a particular person that does them. Pollution and Global warming kills everyone. They are very different issues.
If you think you are not paying for those behaviors, you are sadly ignorant. Even more so under a single payer healthcare plan.
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@Barney
Well for smoking, COVID should have killed that industry...
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@bmdrocks21
UNHRC Is riddled with totalitarian regimes purchasing seats, openly and in secret.
China owns 1/3 of the WHO seats and subcommittee seats from one article I read.
America isn't represented well in any international organization because we are not totalitarian enough to play the game like China, Middle East, Africa, and Russia.
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Now if only we can get people to stop smoking, drinking, and being 100 pounds overweight...
Where is the virus to kill that?
It's surreal the attention paid to polluting the environment by small degrees as we give a pass to the casual poisoning and polluting of our bodies that halves a person's lifespan.
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@Singularity
Mass Immunity is like taking off a bandaid. Just rip it off. You're never going to avoid the pain, why prolong it?
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@Dr.Franklin
It really doesn't. You still have to win wars to claim land for a culture.
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@Singularity
It's more likely we will have a million more deaths from diabetes and heart disease with the epidemic of Coronabellies than one million deaths due to starvation from a shutdown.
Take cardiovascular disease and stroke. In 2018 the United States shelled out $329 billion to treat them, the American Heart Association calculated. About 80 percent of those cases — $263 billion worth — were caused by poor diet, lack of exercise, alcohol use and obesity. And in any given year, those conditions alone cause upwards of 300,000 premature deaths in the United States.
Check it out...263 BILLION dollars paid out to hospitals for fatties.
If you are skinny, you shouldn't support free healthcare for the fatties.
Many people in quarantine are eating more and exercising less due to depression and unemployment. The Flu is not the most costly for hospitals to treat. Being a fatty certainly is the most costly.
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@triangle.128k
Between the genocidal Intifada and Zionism, they are both deserving of every hell on earth.
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@triangle.128k
I agree. Corporate Media overblows everything to avoid having a serious discussion on the merits of political policies because when they tried to convince people that open borders was a good thing, it didn't pan well.
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@ethang5
CNN: "Trump took TWO SCOOPS of ice cream"
Nazipolosi: "Hold my fridge"
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