ILikePie5

Wanted to see if anyone would claim my character so I could CC but no. I am Oliver Greyson.

I am The Immortal.

And yes, it's a double standard, because I know that I'm town and I think that you aren't.

There's a big difference between lurking in the beginning of the day and lurking after 4 people are voting you. I also found that wagon relatively unprovoked. And searching for patterns in data, by definition, requires finding data to support a claim, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I find him suspicious behaviorally, while mechanically speaking, he's a null. Doctor could be a fakeclaim, or it might not. He's rolled doctor 2 times in the past few games though I think, so it would be a fakeclaim that he would be likely to try.

Thing is, we have so many people that have claimed, do we need one more? First it was you, then barney, now Austin. 

I'm saying that you are certain it is Pie. So if you are town he is probably scum and vice versa. I'm also saying that if you are certain Pie is scum, me voting for Pie should clear me, in your eyes.

How would you compare my play this game to my last game? This is a genuine question, not rhetorical.

Has Vader full claimed? If so I didn't see it.

Well let’s see. Barney is more aggressive then when he is scum, makes me think he is town. Whiteflame is playing the same way he did last game, when he was town. Those two are the only others than haven’t full claimed. Which leaves you.

Good job completely dodging my point regarding the speed of the wagon. I didn't cherry-pick data, not sure why you keep pushing on that - finding evidence for a pattern is hardly cherry-picking. My townread on Barney was pretty weak, I even mentioned that "I townread him slightly". Failing to read the OP is a towntell but lurking for almost 24 hours was far scummier.

I find his behavior anti-town, but he's not my top scumread at the moment. I also think Doctor is a pretty easy fakeclaim considering few characters in the show that I know of have healing powers.

I don't claim because scum is pressuring me, I claim because town is pressuring me. If Joebob, Barney, Vader, GP, and maybe whiteflame gives convincing reasons, then I will claim.

A lot of behavioral reading has been done into Best.Korea, despite him being a known troll. How seriously does he take these games, and how much can we really gather from his behavior?

I'm not claiming unless at least two players who I townread threaten to vote me and give good reasoning why.

Commuter has nothing to do with being a doctor. Wanna explain this?

BK is blatantly wagon shopping. He's hopped on three different wagons so far with little reasoning behind it.

Lol 3 votes in 6 minutes from Pie, Savant, BK. I guarantee that at least two of them are scum, probably Pie + Savant/BK. Y'all are accusing the wagon on Pie of forming too quickly and then you go and pull this.

Now let’s lynch Barney for a role claim!

Fine, I am atom eve.

1. I think BK needs to be pressured. He has not had a singular correct point or even original point at all. He has buddied off the logic of a confirmed town player to try and prove his innocence and buddied solely on that fact alone over anything else. Hence I have a strong suspicion on him and I think town might be overlooking him

2. Until any further information is given, I think the POE of scum are BK, Austin, Barney, whiteflame, Savant. Greyparrot is a lean town because of his role claim and his character claim and I believe it would too difficult for him to try and fake claim something just as vague while also claiming a pretty relevant character off the rip without having a lot of balls. We know JoeBob is town. Since Pie has not been CC'd yet and remains un CC'd. I see no reason as to why he should be a lynch target. His behavior isn't deviated from what he plays when he is town. He's reluctant to claim a big character and gets forced into while also forced into role. I've seen Pie too many times and know Pie too well. Everything about the analysis and all that is not true because even Austin's original was debunked because there is NO consistency with how Lunatic makes his games and how goes about it. It's all a variation and too make these theory without consistency is an endless scope of nonsense that does nothing but distract town. I would also like to point that the OP says mafia where given a role hint and not a char hint. This means that Pie had to have the absolute balls to go and claim a main character off a role claim. I emphasize role because ROLE =/= CHAR. With only 1 character left and no fake claims. I do not see a realm of possibility of Pie being scum.

3. I am against any push for claims at all in DP1 because it gives town way too much juice. I've stated this in my meta before. Barney was the town choice but not my optimal choice as well. It seems town is looking to do more and I will stand by this statement. If town try to pressure more and more people to claim characters, they will lose this game. The less info scum have, the more likely town are to win. It's unfortunate enough that Austin soft claimed an important character  by saying that his wiki of his character had over 10k words, Mark Grayson being claimed, and that Grey's meta. 

I think you just have a gut read because of Pie strong behavior that can sometimes be overwhelming. Believe me, I fully get it. Pie is sometimes dense and can be very tunnel vision. 

Austin however is in my scum pile. It’s instinctive.  He’s  trying to tell a story which the facts do not align with, while not joining in the insane lynch (which scum players know is insane). It’s pushing for a mislynch, while building defense; and not being on the wagon itself. Could just be bad logic, but favorable odds that he’s scum. … of course this could change when I get caught up on reading tomorrow. Hence, no VTL from me. And if anyone has acted like he has but without tagging me, I’m cool with lynching them on principle (lynch all bastards).

Haven’t gotten caught up, but it looks like you’re leading the wagon on me… please explain your deep thought process for  DEMANDING information from someone who is not logged in, but not tagging them to let them know about it when they log back on?

Free kill on a townie who you know is frequently busy in real life, or anything actually useful to town?

I think Barney has been lurky enough that I'm fine getting a claim from him, I guess.

I find it weird that the literal namesake of the series doesn't even get assigned an active role (Commuter is basically a combination of two passive roles, Bulletproof and Ascetic). It's also an easy claim to explain why you're not getting NKed, as well as explaining any failed investigations and whatnot. This was the exact reason why I fakeclaimed Ascetic in the last game.

Give your reads, preferably.

Is there any reason not to reveal my role right now? The only special thing about it is that it can be easily confirmed.

Kinda weird claim by Pie. I don't really buy it, but I suppose it's semi-confirmable later on.

Well, after reading about that role, it says you cant be targeted by night actions when you use it?

So if Gp were to target you, he wouldnt be able to do it, correct?

I think if you dont confirm your role by dp3, then town should lynch you, but as it stands now, it is possible that you confirm your role, so...

Unvote

Both GreyParrot and JoeBob recommended getting a role from Pie over Barney, and they are confirmed town. Pie is probably innocent, but clearly not everyone on the wagon was scum.

I was just about to post that Pie should claim his role instead of drawing this out but he just claimed

What is your role?

Haven't seen how Lunatic mods games in the past, but maybe others can confirm this. If all of what Austin said is true, then Grayson is as likely to be a fake claim as a real one, if not more so. But that's still not a sufficient reason to lynch, imo.

But that's the point, Lunatic as a mod has a history of not giving MCs to town.

He's said in the past that he doesn't like excessive focus on thematic analysis, mod psyche, and other non-behavioral crap.

I think the info that he gave a fakeclaim hint to mafia is really important. Giving a hint only makes sense if it's a hint to a character that the mafia team would otherwise expect would be already taken. Mark Grayson is the definition of this.

Lunatic has a history of not giving protags and strong characters and town. E.g. in Stormlight Archives he gave arguably the two main characters, Kaladin and Jasnah, as fakeclaims. In MMA mafia he gave boxing and JJ for mafia, for Ozark he gave the entire flipping Byrde family.

I don't believe that Lunatic would give the main character of Invincible to a town player because it would essentially clear them since people blindly believe thematic analysis.

And the role? 

I am not familiar with the characters, so I cant really figure out role from mere character.

Someone tell me, what was the point of making pie claim? We gained literally nothing valuable from that, other than his character which doesn’t help us at the moment.

5 people have said that they want your claim. Thats more than half of all players in game, so are you going to claim or not?

You ought to threaten Pie with a hammer, he's trying to quietly avoid claiming

I want you to claim first. I also think claimtrains based on behavior are more valid than claimtrains based on activity.

As I alr mentioned, Pie pushed Barney for minimal reasons. Also "Let me ask you again: who’s behavior before I posted do you find suspicious and want to pursue. Otherwise, help pressure Barney" is a scummy af response to me pointing out that that.

We're going to get a claim from someone. I want to get one from Pie first.

I didn't sus anyone because up to that point was mostly fluffposting.

Tell me that you don't find this interaction extremely suspicious.

Also, Pie pushing on inactives is out of his meta. He hasn't done that before.

Hear from me about what? 

So you’ll follow who they choose, but only if they’re decisive enough to post a vote, despite the fact that you have acknowledged that you value Joe’s view over GP’s? Seriously, pick a lane.