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Welcome to The Heroes of Olympus Mafia! This is a Role Madness game meaning there are NO VANILLAS. Scum may or may not have received a fake role and/or fake claim. This game does have a thematic divide distinguishing the factions. Please play towards your wincon at all times and be active!
Just some quick rules:
1) No editing or deleting posts of any kinds
2) No copy/pasting your role PM (please paraphrase)
3) No cryptography of any kind
4) No communication outside of the mafia game
I reserve the right to add any other rules that are commonplace that I may have forgotten to list.
If you have any questions, please PM me directly. Also, PM me if you would like a vote count at any point in time, though I will try to be proactive in posting counts. All DPs will be 72 hours and NPs 24 hours unless the NP ends with everyone submitting actions earlier.
“Seven half-bloods shall answer the call.
To storm or fire the world must fall.
An oath to keep with a final breath,
And foes bear arms to the Doors of Death.”
— The Great Prophecy/Prophecy of the Seven
Remaining Players:
1. Barney
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5. Best Korea
6. JoeBob
7. Earth
8. Greyparrot
9. Wylted
10. Vader
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch. This DP will end Thursday April 4th at 4:00 PM CST. Let the quest begin.
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Sign ups are now closed. I will send PMs either later tonight or tomorrow
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I think the biggest problem for this game was Cop being unstoppable basically. The factional BPs for town didn’t make sense imo
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@JoeBob
I feel scum could have won if Wylted didn’t admit he was scum.
It was a gamble that failed. If he got it right, he would’ve cruised to victory
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@AustinL0926
If he wants to play, I can do 11 players too. But he has to be active, which is why I’m hesitant
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@AustinL0926
Ya but Mharman only wants to be replacement
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@Mharman
Do you prefer the 10 or 12 player setup?
The more the merrier but I doubt we get 12 players
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@Lunatic
You should just replace Vader with mharman lol we all know Vader gonna make like 10 posts the whole game :p
I’m fine with that too lol. Supa is a gay frat guy anyways
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Replacement: Mharman
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@RationalMadman
Are you playing or not?
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@Double_R
Reality disagrees with you.
Getting a bank loan isn’t a crime. You can list your valuation as an asset. Doesn’t mean the bank has to agree with it.
Listing your 11k square foot apartment at 30k square feet is not a poor valuation. That's lying, aka fraud.
Want to prove where he did that and still got a loan?
Correct, and if Mike claims the site gets 30k hits a day when it only gets 11k, he's lying, aka committing fraud.
And a valuation isn’t exact like hits.
No, it absolutely isn't. The fact that the car might come with warranties doesn't change the underlying conduct.I made a financial decision based in part on false information I was given by the dealership that sold me the car. That's an example of fraud.This is common sense.
If the salesperson knew, yes.
Q2: Can you point to a single thing I've said which implies anyone should believe anything without question?
That’s the entire premise of the case. What factual information was wrong, and why did the banks still do business with him? And why would they to this day continue business with him? Answer those two questions please.
People don't take out loans so they can put it under their mattress. Once the money has been loaned, there's no money there to get back. In fact in many cases the check isn't even given to the applicant, it's directly handed to a third party.
Your background is clearly not in finance. Loans have covenants, collateral, etc.
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@Double_R
No, but employers can fire any applicant at any point after job offer if they later learn that the applicant lied. Lenders can't fire the loan applicant, they already gave them their money.
They can immediately request their money back. But again, it has to be provable information. Like it’s a fact that my dad is 50 years old. Valuations are not provable.
Serious question for you... Do you think loan application fraud should be illegal? Yes or No?
Yes, if you can prove fraud. Valuations are inherently subjectively, so you cannot prove fraud
No deflections, no whataboutisms, this is a very simple Yes or No.
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@Double_R
It's not the opposite genius, it's part of the process (that's why I used the word "part").Of course the lender needs to verify the information, because the applicants do get things wrong. But if the applicant was permitted to flat out lie, then there would be no point in the banks communicating with the applicant at all. The very idea of disclosure goes completely out the window, making real estate loans a much more dangerous venture, thereby driving up the prices for everyone.
What? This makes zero sense. The first rule of valuation is that there is no true valuation. By your definition, a person would always be lying, which you argue is criminal. That’s not the way real estate works. Banks ask for records. If the client doesn’t provide them, the bank can choose to ignore it (shareholders would revolt) or they refuse service. Let’s say for example Mike says DebateArt is worth 5 million. He has to back up his claim with numbers. Now, the bank can say your methodology and numbers make zero sense and therefore say they think the value is 1 million. That’s not a crime at all.
If they sell me a car by purposefully misrepresenting key facts about that car, that's fraud.Everyone knows this.
That’s a whole different case that involves warranties and implied liabilities, etc.. It’s a false equivalency.
No one said anything about believing without question. You just made that up because you cannot refute the arguments being made without misrepresenting them.
Lol that’s exactly what you’re doing. If Trump provides his numbers, the banks don’t take them as gospel. The banks go and get their own lawyers, appraisers, etc.. That’s literally what due diligence means
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@Double_R
You asserted that there is no punishable crime here because no one was harmed. So I simply took your stated position and applied the exact same logic to another example.
It’s a false equivalency since one is a crime and the other isn’t.
If the lack of a victim = no punishable crime, then it follows that someone who deals drugs cannot be prosecuted unless the drugs he sells cause harm to the people who purchased them.
I mean drugs do cause harm either way, but I digress
Therefore, the burden is on the prosecution not only to show the drug dealer broke the law by selling drugs, but they just produce actual victims from the drugs he sold, otherwise he goes free with no charges.
No? If he sold drugs, he broke the law…
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@Sidewalker
Yeah, that's why he has 91 felony indictments.
I asked you to prove what crime you think he committed here and how he did that. In detail please.
Except for the four times he's declared bankruptcy, and the 50-year history of defaulting on debts, and the hundreds of contractors that went bankrupt because he refused to pay
Lmaoo he has declared corporate bankruptcy on a couple of businesses which is normal. You clearly lack understanding of the business world.
I suppose that's why they are lining up to lend him the money to appeal the fraud judgement
Trump is paying cash.
LOL, typical MAGA logic, if you make money off a crime, it's not a crime, if people believe a lie, it's not a lie, if you lose an election, you didn't lose an election.
Want to explain how it’s a crime? You have yet to do so. People make money off of loans every day. Is that illegal?
Trump made money defrauding people with Trump University, so that wasn't fraud,
Irrelevant. I am asking about loan case
He made money off his charity scam, so that wasn't fraud, it's OK to steal from charitable causes if you make money doing it.
Irrelevant. I am asking about loan case
If you're famous, you can sexually assault women too, they just let you. I don't know why the 26 women who have accused him didn't know that.
We all forget about Tara Reade
Trump loves you.
Biden loves you :)
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@Double_R
So when a drug dealer gets arrested, he gets to be set free until the prosecutor can prove one of his drugs killed someone, right?
Lmao what? That’s not even close to what happened in the case.
He just explained how laws against fraud are to protect the marketplace, which used to be common sense.
And how do those laws apply here. You clearly do not understand how valuation works.
Part of due diligence is asking the only person who would know to disclose the details of the property you are considering accepting as collateral and knowing that you can trust their answers because they are required by law to tell you the truth.
That’s literally not what due diligence means lol. Lemme explain to you in simple terms. Mike, the owner of the site thinks the site is worth 7 million and wants to put that up as collateral. You as the bank NEVER take his word for gospel. You do your own valuation to see what you think it’s really worth whether it is 3,5,7,or 9 million. That’s what due diligence means.
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@FLRW
If I sign a contract to pay money in exchange for some service, I want to be confident that the promised service will be delivered. Or that if it isn’t, there will be legal consequences — regardless of the other party’s fame, wealth or political connections.
Want to explain where this happened in the case lol
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There is no crime here. No one was wronged. Banks made money off the money they lent. Trump made money off of what he borrowed. Where is the “fraud?”
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@Amber
Tish James ran on prosecuting Trump no matter what it took.
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@RationalMadman
Game will start after current game ends. Are you in or out? 7k is blacklisted
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@JoeBob
Love rick riorden. Have you read all of the main series?(percy, HOO, etc?)
Yessir, I’ve read it all
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@Best.Korea
So I cant join because I am blacklisted.Thats fine, then I dont need excuses not to join.
Not you. 7k is blacklisted
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@Lunatic
I’m sure he will wait til the other one ends to start this one
He’s blacklisted from my games
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@Best.Korea
I am busy with the other game right now.
It will be after the current game is over. Are you in?
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@drafterman
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Sign-up plz!
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Also, if I do not have your discord, please DM me your discord profile. If you are chosen to be mafia via RNG, you will communicate via discord.
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My favorite Rick Riordan series. The game will be role madness with a thematic split. Mafia will be given fake roles and/or fake character claims. I’ve made a game, but can adjust for number of players when and if needed.
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White liberal women will be the end of the nation. Also, all her songs are about choosing the wrong man 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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@RationalMadman
Same with you and the gay thing
I didn’t tag you for a reason
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@RationalMadman
Sorry about the L though, should have voted yourself instead of Lemming.
Lol you’re acting like I care
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@Greyparrot
@WyIted
You are a smart man Barney. ;)Others won't see it at first but you and I were symbiotic during this.
This is the gayest thing I’ve ever read in my life
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@Best.Korea
Sorry, I dont believe you.
I don’t believe you
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Nah. A lot of Palestinians support Hamas. I’m all fine with letting Israel get rid of terrorists that use human shields, set up operation in hospitals and schools, and don’t let humanitarian aid reach their people
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